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      <description>It&amp;#8217;s going to keep doing this, you know. Every year&amp;#8217;s going to have a 9/11 in it. This time around,...</description>
      <content:encoded>It&#8217;s going to keep doing this, you know. Every year&#8217;s going to have a 9/11 in it. This time around,...</content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #1 from Glenn Hauman</title>
         <description>comment from Glenn Hauman on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>As always: <a href="http://www.110stories.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.110stories.us</a></p>

<p>And your thought for the day, by way of Ronald Reagan: <b>Are you better off today than you were four years ago?</b></p>

<p>Is our country safer? Are we prepared for another attack? Have we stopped funding our enemies by being energy independent? Is our financial house in order, or are we spending ourself into debt? Are we all pulling together, or are rich folks getting huge tax cuts while spending is slashed on essential programs? Are we ready to be serious, or are we going to keep letting underqualified clowns and hacks lead us into one disaster after another?</p>

<p>And what are you prepared to do about it?</p>

<p>(Cross-posted <a href="http://glennhauman.malibulist.com/archives/003341.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005 11:28 AM by Glenn Hauman</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #2 from Larry Brennan</title>
         <description>comment from Larry Brennan on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I think that if any of his people did much in the way of foreseeing, they ceased being his people. Foresight creates responsibility, and to this administration, responsibility is anathema.</p>

<p>Personally, I've declared a news blackout day today.  I just can't listen to all-maudlin, all the time.</p>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #3 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
         <description>comment from Kathryn Cramer on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>You know, I was going to do a post entitled "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" and scapped the idea because I didn't want to give my comment sections any excuse for getting sidetracked. </p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005 12:16 PM by Kathryn Cramer</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #4 from Stephen Frug</title>
         <description>comment from Stephen Frug on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>"FOR THE ANNIVERSARY OF MY DEATH</p>

<p>Every year without knowing it I have passed the day<br />
When the last fires will wave to me<br />
And the silence will set out..."</p>

<p>-- W. S. Merwin<br />
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #5 from Tiercel</title>
         <description>comment from Tiercel on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Phoneposts from a liberal attending the Freedom Walk; some of them are transcribed and some aren't.  </p>

<p><a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/hyounpark/" rel="nofollow">http://www.livejournal.com/users/hyounpark/</a></p>

<p>Quote that probably sums up the entire experience the best: "It feels like a pep rally."</p>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #6 from Uncle Kvetch</title>
         <description>comment from Uncle Kvetch on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Will today's ceremonies include a 7-minute period of silence, during which the President will stare blankly into space, waiting for somebody to tell him what to do?</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  1:40 PM by Uncle Kvetch</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #7 from TomB</title>
         <description>comment from TomB on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Unfortunately, Dubya and his own people can't foresee themselves, or protect us from them. </p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  2:10 PM by TomB</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #8 from SeanH</title>
         <description>comment from SeanH on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I... maybe I just have a case of the Internet Cynicism, but I honestly don't see how people can, sincerely and without a trace of irony, keep prefacing things with "Freedom".</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  2:20 PM by SeanH</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #9 from julia</title>
         <description>comment from julia on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I really hope everyone realizes that the rally in DC was specifically purposed to exclude the dead in NY and PA</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  2:21 PM by julia</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #10 from Stefan Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Stefan Jones on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>"Will today's ceremonies include a 7-minute period of silence, during which the President will stare blankly into space, waiting for somebody to tell him what to do?"</p>

<p>Thank you. That's brilliant.</p>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #11 from Heather Wood</title>
         <description>comment from Heather Wood on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I am tired of 9/11 wittering.<br />
Tired of hearing the families of victims whine about the memorial. Which they expect me (and you) to pay for.<br />
London was blitzed in WWII. Londoners mourned and moved on and rebuilt. Given how long there has been a city in that place, it's probable that every square inch is someone's dying-place. So what?<br />
What troubled me most after 9/11 was that I didn't hear any American politicians asking what went wrong, to make people hate us so, and what could we do to fix it.<br />
I'm still not hearing this. Anyone who as much as mentions talking with "terrorists" is labeled as unpatriotic.<br />
Yes, it was a disaster, and horrible. Follow the example of the Duke of Wellington: tie a knot, and move on.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  4:27 PM by Heather Wood</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #12 from Eric Jarvis</title>
         <description>comment from Eric Jarvis on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I notice that Dubya is calling on Americans to respond to Hurricane Katrina with the spirit of 9/11. So I assume we will imminently see war declared on the weather and Castro given 48 hours to either prove he's not stockpiling winds or to get out of Cuba.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  4:41 PM by Eric Jarvis</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #13 from Richard</title>
         <description>comment from Richard on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><blockquote>I... maybe I just have a case of the Internet Cynicism, but I honestly don't see how people can, sincerely and without a trace of irony, keep prefacing things with "Freedom".</blockquote>

<p>Perhaps I do too, but ... what do you expect, Pommes Frites a la Mode de Guantanamo ?</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  4:42 PM by Richard</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #14 from julia</title>
         <description>comment from julia on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p><a href="http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20050810-100523-9958r.htm" rel="nofollow">[Pentagon Spokeswine]</a> Mrs. Barber said organizers and police expect anti-war backlash. "It would be naive to do anything in Washington and not expect the other opinion," she said.</p>

<p>Protesting the walk, she said, would be tantamount to "protesting the events of September 11 or protesting our veterans." </p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  5:17 PM by julia</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #15 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>They made lots of <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/08/AR2005090802140.html" rel="nofollow">rules</a> so nobody other than pre-registered people would be able to get near the walk today.  The news just showed police leading away a guy with a sign I couldn't read, and wearing a cloak reminiscent of DEATH.</p>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #16 from Kathryn Cramer</title>
         <description>comment from Kathryn Cramer on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p><i>I notice that Dubya is calling on Americans to respond to Hurricane Katrina with the spirit of 9/11</i></p>

<p>And I'm sure he intends to make sure that each and every family devasted by Katrina gets the same compensation as the family of the guy who worked at Cantor Fitzgerald who lived on the other side of the block from me. I'm deepy deeply moved.</p>

<p>I've been doing some research on <a href="http://www.kathryncramer.com/kathryn_cramer/2005/09/open_forum_for_.html" rel="nofollow">FEMA's claims processing prowess</a>. The results are pretty galling.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  6:41 PM by Kathryn Cramer</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #17 from Lizzy Lynn</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>I really hope everyone realizes that the rally in DC was specifically purposed to exclude the dead in NY and PA</p>

<p>WTF? Explain this, please. I don't have a TV so I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you mean they held a ceremony purporting to mourn the dead of 9/11 without mentioning the towers or Flight 93? You don't mean that. </p>

<p>Do you?</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  7:06 PM by Lizzy Lynn</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #18 from Beth Meacham</title>
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         <content:encoded><p><i>"Protesting the walk," she said, "would be tantamount to protesting the events of September 11"</i></p>

<p>Being as how I am deeply opposed to the events of September 11th, I'm sorry now that I didn't go and protest the walk.</p>

<p>Heather, W has explained to us that the reason the terrists hate us is because they hate our Freedom.  To question that Revealed Truth is to show yourself a terrist who hates Freedom.</p>

<p>See?  It's so simple.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  7:40 PM by Beth Meacham</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #19 from Eric Jarvis</title>
         <description>comment from Eric Jarvis on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>It really is very easy. All you have to do is start from the premises that George W Bush is a "good guy", that anyone who opposes the "good guys" is a "bad guy", and a "good Guy" must do as much as they can to oppose "bad guys". Once you do that it all makes perfect sense so long as you are arrogant enough to override all othet moral considerations with a morality based on yourself as the ethical centre of the universe.</p>

<p>Onserve any two year old. Assume the same level of moral maturity. Apply to any situation and Bush's responses generally make perfect sense. Perfect two year old sense mind you.</p>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #20 from Anna Feruglio Dal Dan</title>
         <description>comment from Anna Feruglio Dal Dan on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>In my most charitable moments, I think he must still be drinking. But no. I don't think he has that excuse. </p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  8:35 PM by Anna Feruglio Dal Dan</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #21 from julia</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>I may have phrased intemperately - y'all can judge - but the concentration of the event on the Pentagon dead seemed to me a bit unusual considering that the Pentagon dead were 1/30 of the dead.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005  9:14 PM by julia</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #22 from Julie L.</title>
         <description>comment from Julie L. on 11.Sep.05</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Personally, I'm starting to wonder whether the dominant political ideology isn't so much PNAC as Infernokrusher.</p>

<p>Vote Infernokrusher! Help blow up cool shit for fun and profit!!!</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005 10:33 PM by Julie L.</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #23 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Julia, I can see the logic of concentrating on the Pentagon dead. If Bush & Co. came here, they'd have to face the fire, EMS, and police units whom they stiffed on all that promised help once the photo ops were over.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2005 10:40 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #24 from Ritu</title>
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         <content:encoded><p><i>So I assume we will imminently see war declared on the weather and Castro given 48 hours to either prove he's not stockpiling winds or to get out of Cuba.</i></p>

<p><a href="http://billmon.org/archives/002137.html" rel="nofollow">Billmon</a> thinks that Bush wold end up fighting the war against hurricanes in the Indian Ocean and anyone who points out that Katrina never went/originated there would be called 'unpatriotic'. :)<br />
</p>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #25 from Doug</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Ritu, I thought it was that he was going to order a dam built in Arkansas because it was better to fight the water here than there.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 12, 2005  5:02 AM by Doug</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #26 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><p><i>I notice that Dubya is calling on Americans to respond to Hurricane Katrina with the spirit of 9/11. So I assume we will imminently see war declared on the weather and Castro given 48 hours to either prove he's not stockpiling winds or to get out of Cuba.</i></p>

<p>You forgot the step of 'invading a non-involved country with no capability of damaging the US directly'.</p>
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         <title>The date rolls round again -- comment #27 from Mike Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Of course, no one could have forseen that this administration could have been such a complete disaster....</p>
	 <p>Posted September 12, 2005  4:46 PM by Mike Jones</p></content:encoded>
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