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January 25, 2006

In which culture moves from a traditional base in a consensual collective endeavour to forms which are rationalised by commodification and led by individuals with interests which are separated from the purposes of the population as a whole
Posted by Patrick at 06:45 PM * 56 comments

As promised: now available for sale, Whisperado’s debut CD, the six-song EP Some Other Place.

Whisperado is two-thirds bloggers, two-thirds Jewish, two-thirds computer professionals, two-thirds left-wingers, two-thirds car owners, and two-thirds Brooklynites. Also, three New York guys with day jobs who (in the words of our press kit) “write and play songs about the American essentials: bowling, capitalism, and demanding women.” Our sound has been variously described as “rootsy,” “acceptable,” and “loud.” A couple of sample songs can be downloaded via Alison Scott’s page full of free music she likes.

Some Other Place, recorded this summer in a series of learning experiences, features four original songs by Jon Sobel, one by me, and a Mark Knopfler cover. It will be available on CD Baby and the iTunes Music Store, and (for the discounted price of $5) at our gigs. You can buy it immediately for $8, shipping inclusive, here.

Comments on In which culture moves from a traditional base in a consensual collective endeavour to forms which are rationalised by commodification and led by individuals with interests which are separated from the purposes of the population as a whole:
#1 ::: Paul ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2006, 08:00 PM:

Congratulations. :) You don't seem to be showing up on CDBaby yet; is that something still in-progress?

#2 ::: Janice in GA ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2006, 09:38 PM:

The songs apparently aren't quite ready for download at Alison's site yet.

#3 ::: Josh Jasper ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2006, 10:19 PM:

May I suggest you pester CDBaby to eventualy get it up on eMusic, so people can buy it without the stupid iTunes music store cripling the files?

#4 ::: Joshua Ellis ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2006, 11:13 PM:

It'll be available on Mperia.com at some point, which means it will be DRM-free. (I know, 'cause I'm the co-founder of Mperia).

Not sure when, as CDBaby sends us stuff on their own schedule. But soon.

#5 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 12:27 AM:

Dunno what the problem with Alison's links is. They worked as of a few days ago.

As for the politics of CDBaby, iTunes, eMusic, etc., allow me to restate my basic position, which is that one of the things I most like about being in Whisperado is that I take No Significant Management Role. That said, I like eMusic a lot. Indeed, if you go here and click on "Downloads" you can see just how much I like eMusic. But I like having a "Here I am, where do I plug in?" role in Whisperado even more.

#6 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 12:29 AM:

(As for iTunes, I personally buy stuff from them all the time, and will continue to do so as long as their DRM is so transparently beatable. All you need to to is burn your iTunes Music Store files to a CD, then re-import the CD as mp3s. Cost: one blank CD. I do this all the time. Your mileage may vary.)

#7 ::: Christina Schulman ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 03:11 AM:

Whisperado is two-thirds bloggers, two-thirds Jewish, two-thirds computer professionals, two-thirds left-wingers, two-thirds car owners, and two-thirds Brooklynites.

The one on the right is on the left, and the guy in the rear is a Methodist?

#8 ::: Alison Scott ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 03:30 AM:

I was worried those links would fail; they had a whiff of 'one session only' about them; but then I tried them on different computers and they were ok so I linked them. They've obviously now expired. Here's what you need to do.

Go to Whisperado's electronic press kit. Click on 'audio'. There are three tracks for download -- described as 'standard' rather than 'stream'. To download obviously you have to rightclick and save.

#9 ::: Alison Scott ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 03:33 AM:

Oh, and the point about DRM is that it's digital rights. When you burn your mp3 to CD and then reimport it, that's a lossy transfer. Nobody is terribly worried about lossy copying; it's the making of perfect copies that gives people the willies.

#10 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 07:20 AM:

"Nobody is terribly worried about lossy copying"

I don't actually think that's true. The fact is, the mp3s you get by burning DRMed Apple files to a CD and reimporting them are often higher-quality than un-DRMed mp3s available through other channels. I think the RIAA is perfectly capable of having hissy fits over copies that aren't audiophilically perfect.

#11 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 07:40 AM:

As for the sample songs, I've cut through the confusion by hosting them myself and changing the link on the front-page post. When Alison updates her own page to link to my hosted versions, I'll revert the front-page link to go through her page, because anyone who likes our stuff is liable to like a bunch of her other recommendations.

#12 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 10:11 AM:

There's another way to avoid iTunes DRM, if so inclined: if you use a Mac [I can't speak for Windows], make damned sure you never upgrade from iTunes 5.0.1 to iTunes 6. If you've got a new machine but have never used the iTunes music store or created an Apple ID you can downgrade safely from iTunes 6 to 5.0.1; and if you stick to 5.0.1 you're still on the old, easier to crack, DRM: but once you access the store with iTunes 6 it beefs up the DRM encryption massively.

JHymn (clue: google on it) can then strip the DRM tags from the files you've purchased (using iTunes 5.0.1 or earlier).

(Sermon: I know this not because I'm into pirating music, but because I change computer and/or MP3 player compulsively on a several-monthly basis, and I don't want to end up losing access to music I've paid for. And while Patrick is undoubtedly right about the "burn to CD, then reimport" workaround, I don't see why I should accept even that much lossage for something I've paid for. As Cory put it so succinctly, DRM punishes honest customers, and while I'm pretty honest, I'm not stupid enough to repeatedly punch myself in the face on behalf of the RIAA.)

#13 ::: AliceB ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 12:01 PM:

Brilliant thread title! (I love truth in advertizing). Oh, and congratulations, too.

#14 ::: Jon Sobel ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 12:06 PM:

I am opposed to paying for lossy music files in the first place. One of my favorite places to buy music downloads is Magnatune because, in addition to selling a lot of excellent early/baroque music, they offer uncompressed downloads. I want to buy what the musicians and producers came out of the studio intending for me to hear.

Whisperado's tracks, will, however, be available for download at iTunes and elsewhere. We're not dumb...

#15 ::: Thaedeus Zefuldar ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 12:16 PM:

Hey! You might want to consider posting some demo
tracks up at mixposure
I have been doing it for a while, and it is a great place to
get reviews and exposure (and maybe generate some more
sales).

--thaedeus (of Divergent Future)

#16 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 01:55 PM:

Question for Patrick: are there going to be any CDs on sale at Boskone? (I'd rather hand 100% of the cover price to the musicians than 90% of it to the iTunes music store.)

#17 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 02:32 PM:

Yes, I'll certainly have some at Boskone.

#18 ::: candle ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 04:12 PM:

Do you sing about demanding women or about women who are demanding? Not being American myself, I'd be interested to know which of these qualifies as an American essential.

I'll check out the downloads when I'm not at my work connection. Good luck with the sales!

#19 ::: Robert L ::: (view all by) ::: January 26, 2006, 09:38 PM:

Reimporting mp3s from a CD you burned shouldn't have any loss as long as the bit rate you reimport them at is the same as the bit rate they started out as.

#20 ::: Jon Sobel ::: (view all by) ::: January 28, 2006, 08:20 PM:

Charlie (and whoever else may be interested): iTunes is not as evil as you think. Of the $0.99 you would spend for a Whisperado track, the band would receive $0.65 (assuming distribution is facilitated through CD Baby - other distribution arrangements may vary). The iTunes Music Store is not a big profit center for Apple. It is a way to sell lots and lots of iPods.

candle: we sing about women who are demanding. But now that you bring it up, I feel I really must try to write a song that is a demand for women.

#21 ::: John M. Ford ::: (view all by) ::: January 28, 2006, 10:23 PM:

I feel I really must try to write a song that is a demand for women.

I believe Oscar Hammerstein II beat you to it (with the line "What ain't we got/Ya know damn well") but I'll swipe a metric from him anyway:

Guy tucked in corners remembering faces
Songs about lipstick in hard-to-reach places
Stiff-upper-lippishmen cooing for ducks
All of them saying that solitude sucks

Gable and Lombard off cutting some capers
Cary and Rosalind peddling their papers
Bogie and Baby igniting a spark
That's how we learned what you do in the dark

Audible breathing that fogs up your glasses
(Don't mind the Parker who groused about passes)
Sacking the temples and bending the frames
These are the clich├ęs we have about dames

When the night falls
And there's silence
After those goodbyes
I think how I feel when a girl's by my side
And then it intensifies.

#22 ::: Bruce Arthurs ::: (view all by) ::: January 28, 2006, 10:47 PM:

Jon Sobel wrote:
"candle: we sing about women who are demanding. But now that you bring it up, I feel I really must try to write a song that is a demand for women."

Hmmm. Could the next movie-into-Broadway-production possibly be...

MARS NEEDS WOMEN: THE MUSICAL

#23 ::: candle ::: (view all by) ::: January 29, 2006, 01:01 AM:

It may have been done already:

"Bring on the Girls"

Not that that's a reason to stop.

#24 ::: Cadbury Moose ::: (view all by) ::: August 27, 2009, 12:43 PM:

Glybribrepe when spam spam spammity-spam on an old thread.

3:O(>

Cadbury

#25 ::: Rob T. detects very odd spam @ #24 ::: (view all by) ::: August 27, 2009, 12:45 PM:

It almost seems to mean something, but I can't figure out what.

#26 ::: Cadbury Moose spotted SPAM ::: (view all by) ::: August 27, 2009, 12:48 PM:

Mr. Moose,

You need to put SPAM as part of your name for spamspotting, that is what the moderators search for...


#27 ::: Cadbury Moose ::: (view all by) ::: August 27, 2009, 12:55 PM:

I take your point.

Ouch! Put a cork or something on the end of that thing, a moose could hurt himself.

Cadbury.
(Offers truffles to the moderation team.)

#28 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: August 27, 2009, 01:12 PM:

It's the aliens! They're testing the Universal Translators.

#29 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: August 27, 2009, 01:21 PM:

Cadbury Moose @ 28... a moose could hurt himself

...but it's done with panache.

#30 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 05:30 AM:

Mmmm, truffles...

#31 ::: Mark ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 07:22 AM:

Nobody knows the truffles I've seen.

#32 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 07:24 AM:

Did you know that the French word for 'truffle' is 'truffe', which refers to truffles, and also to the very tip of a dog's muzzle?

#33 ::: John Houghton ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 09:44 AM:

If Xopher is involved, the truffles are done with ganache as well as panache.

#34 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 09:59 AM:

My only question remains: does Xopher apply the ganache with panache, in a moustache?

#35 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 10:10 AM:

With some pistaches?

#36 ::: Cadbury Moose ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 10:52 AM:

Then celebrate with a bottle of grenache?

ITWSBT

Cadbury.

#37 ::: John Houghton ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 10:56 AM:

This is just to say that the pistaches are being reserved for use in the pastiche.

#38 ::: John Houghton ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 10:58 AM:

Cadbury, please wipe the grenache from you moostache.

#39 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 11:23 AM:

Sometimes, if I haven't done the shells right, I have to open a gash to put in the ganache. And I don't have much time, so I have to do it in a flash, or replacing them will require lots of cash, and running to the store in a mad dash. Perhaps I'd work faster under the lash, or listening to Crosby, Stills & Nash.

#40 ::: joann ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 02:02 PM:

Xopher #40:

And if it really doesn't work out right, they're all in a mash.

#41 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 02:42 PM:

They'd still be too tasty to wind up in the trash, I expect. Does it fash you to join in here?

#42 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 03:16 PM:

I figured I'd make a splash. But maybe I've been too brash; I'd better shape up or someone will thrash me.

Don't eat too many chocolates. The high is nice, but then you crash.

#43 ::: Cadbury Moose ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 04:39 PM:

Eat too much chocolate and you'll come out in a rash.

Cadbury.
(Well, that or explode.)

#44 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 04:45 PM:

My head has an ache.


#45 ::: Erik Nelson ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 05:05 PM:

If an elephant-headed god snacked on cake, would that be a Ganesh ganache g'nosh?

#46 ::: Debbie ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 05:24 PM:

He should surely do his snacking in a fancy Wisconsin restaurant, in posh OshKosh, b'gosh!

#47 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 06:29 PM:

This is all such hogwash.

#48 ::: Syd ::: (view all by) ::: August 28, 2009, 07:50 PM:

And were there a band and a pit, he might mosh.

#49 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: August 29, 2009, 02:53 AM:

Till someone hit him with a cosh, anyway.

#50 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: August 29, 2009, 02:55 AM:

abi @ 50... In the tush?

#51 ::: Pendrift ::: (view all by) ::: August 29, 2009, 06:13 AM:

Ginger @45: Shall we tell them to hush?

#52 ::: Mark ::: (view all by) ::: August 29, 2009, 07:32 AM:

John Houghton @ 38:

This is just to say

That I have eaten
the pistaches
that were in
the cupboard

and which
you were probably
saving
to dip in ganache

Forgive me
they were delicious
so salty
and so crunchy

#53 ::: Cadbury Moose ::: (view all by) ::: August 29, 2009, 07:37 AM:

Pendrift @ #52:

There's no particular need to rush.

#54 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: August 29, 2009, 08:10 AM:

I won't beat around the bush: the puns are many and lush, so carry on, away we gush!

#55 ::: Dave Harmon sees spam ::: (view all by) ::: August 14, 2014, 11:22 PM:

Somewhere in that area stretching from commercialized denialism to scamming.

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