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August 30, 2006

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Posted by Patrick at 02:58 PM * 33 comments

Fulfilling a promise made to two successive Worldcon business meetings, and in response to widespread complaints that it’s not always known who edited which books, I’ve just now posted a list of recent and forthcoming SF and fantasy titles edited by people named Nielsen Hayden. This is now linked from Making Light’s sidebar (down under “More What”) and also off of our home page that nobody ever reads. We’ll update it as time goes on. If any other SF and fantasy book editors put similar lists on the internets, we’ll be glad to link to theirs from ours.

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#1 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 04:18 PM:

Bill James or representatives of the Elias Sports Bureau attend Worldcons?

#2 ::: "Charles Dodgson" ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 04:52 PM:

Don't know about Bill James, but Eric Van, who is (among many other things) a staff sabermetrician for the Red Sox, was on multiple panels at the most recent LAcon (and is one of the organizers of Readercon, a quirky and interesting local con in my neck of the woods)...

#3 ::: Karen Babcock ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 05:19 PM:

Nice to have the list. A suggestion, though: For people using text browsers or for people with sight-impairments who need to use a reader, it'd be good to have a text flag on each line instead of/in addition to the color indicator.

#4 ::: Bob Oldendorf ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 05:20 PM:

Thanks for this.

Not only is it intrinsically interesting, but it gives us reasons to live:

Mine in particular:
A movie version of The Prestige!
An affordable edition of Adventures in Unhistory! Yay!

#5 ::: Natalie ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 05:41 PM:

I have to wait until *April* for the reissue of Freedom & Necessity? I may cry. I used to have a paperback that I gave away for some reason lost in the mists of time, picked up a used hardback, sat down to read it and found that there were pages missing/duplicated. Very sad.

#6 ::: debcha ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 05:42 PM:

And Bob, it gets better. The Prestige is directed by Christopher Nolan. Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale are the rival magicians.

And David Bowie plays Nikola Tesla.

I know what I'm doing on October 20th.*


*Possibly driving to NYC; it's in limited release. Damn, I miss living in a movie town!

#7 ::: Bob Oldendorf ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 06:19 PM:

And David Bowie plays Nikola Tesla.

I just needed to read that again.

We gotcher 'statistically improbable phrase', right here.

#8 ::: broundy ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 06:25 PM:

I'm curious about two titles on the list:

Brother to Dragons, Companion to Owls by Jane Lindskold (trade paperback, reprint of Avon mass-market paperback original)
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke (mass market paperback, reprint of Bloomsbury hardcover)

With a reprint of a book from another publisher, how much editing is involved? Will you actually be making changes to the text, or is it mostly production work to deal with the new format?

#9 ::: Jesse ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 06:58 PM:

It all looks good, it really does, but...

New Emma Bull. 2007.

Can I get an Amen!

#10 ::: Ericka ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 07:07 PM:

Thanks for the list! I just downloaded the Whisperado release too. Knowing it's too effusive (sorry), I am nevertheless amazed by, awed, intimidated and grateful for everything the two of you manage to do.

*OK, back into my den now.

#11 ::: mary ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 07:20 PM:

yay, I have two Patricks and a Teresa in the pile on my bedside table. I see much good reading in the crystal ball--yes this is a good excuse to go on living. :)

#12 ::: "Charles Dodgson" ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 08:38 PM:
I have to wait until *April* for the reissue of Freedom & Necessity?

Well, some of us will be waiting until June for The Execution Channel. I expect a rather frustrating ten months...

#13 ::: Steve Taylor ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 08:56 PM:

Patrick writes:

> and also off of our home page that nobody ever reads

Hey, I read it. Well - I have read it in the past.

And this makes as nice a spot as any to say how cheering I find that "Velvet Underground Cover" picture. It looks like a very good moment - the sort of photo that's a nice reminder that life's ok.

Uh - not that I'm stalking you, mind you.

#14 ::: beth meacham ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 10:04 PM:

Hmmm...Yes. I'll put a list of my 2007 books up on my web site, and give you a link when I'm done.

#15 ::: Anne KG Murphy ::: (view all by) ::: August 30, 2006, 10:17 PM:

mmm... Nothing like a good excuse to update Teresa's wikipedia entry. (Raising all kind of issues in my mind about how to properly represent the work of a book editor in Wikipedia, noting for instance that the only things listed in David G. Hartwell's bibliography on wikipedia are Anthologies (though some of his more notable book projects are mentioned in his initial biography). I suppose it should be Bibliography, split into Editor and Nonfiction? Does Tor even keep records of who edited everything?

I like the way you listed your projects, in that it reflects the fact that there is still editorial work to be done in further editions. Though I have a sneaking suspicion that consideration for the new Hugo Award for Best Editor Long Form will be based on newly introduced books.


(And for those of you who haven't noticed it, the WikiQuote Project's page for Teresa longs for your favorites to be added. )

#16 ::: Lois Fundis ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 01:08 AM:

An affordable edition of Adventures in Unhistory! Yay!

And double yay!! (Thus two exclamation points.) Consider it preordered.

#17 ::: Bruce Arthurs ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 02:16 AM:

The list reminds me to mention that Hilde read Jo Walton's FARTHING a few days ago, and had this to say about it:

"This was an extraordinarily good book, and I never want to read it again."

(Yes, this is actually high praise. Usually books that disturbing... well, "good" is not the word that crosses her lips.)

#18 ::: Laina ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 02:26 AM:

#9, Jesse
New Emma Bull. 2007. Can I get an Amen!

I'll give you an Amen - just as soon as I finish my small Happy Dance.

#19 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 06:21 AM:

AMEN!!!

#20 ::: Jo Walton ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 07:59 AM:

Bruce @ #17 -- I'm so glad you lik... um, well, anyway, but will you read the sequels?

#21 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 09:21 AM:

SQUEEEEE!!! Brokedown Palace!!!

#22 ::: Bruce Arthurs ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 11:42 AM:

Jo Walton@#20:
"but will you read the sequels?"

Hilde might not, but I probably would. (I'm several chapters into FARTHING at the moment.)

#23 ::: Anne KG Murphy ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 11:48 AM:

Bill Higgins just emailed me a quote from Teresa to put up, which is a good idea, and I thought I'd mention to folks in general that as a wiki editor I'm happy to add things (articles/additions/corrections) to wikipedia, wikiquote, or even conrunner.net for people (please provide source references if possible). My username is Netmouse in all of those places, and you can email me at that username at netmouse.com.

#24 ::: Skwid ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 02:23 PM:

Oh, most excellent. I've been wanting something like this for the longest time.

Why is it that Editors almost always go uncredited on Novels? I've found it to be a consistently reliable datum as to whether or not I'll care for a book when I can discover who edited it. It may not be enough that I would purchase a book with nothing else to go on but that info, but were it consitently available (say on the Copyright page) I know it would influence my decisions.

#25 ::: sdn ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 07:48 PM:

I have two Patricks and a Teresa in the pile on my bedside table.

collect them all! operators are standing by.

#26 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 08:31 PM:

Regarding Jo Walton's Farthing, as it happens, I just today concluded the deal to buy Ha'penny, the already-written sequel.

All kinds of work is involved in reissuing old books, whether it's new softcover editions of books we previously did in hardcover, or new Tor and/or Orb editions of books previously published by someone else. People who wonder if there's any real work involved--since we probably didn't change any of the author's word--are displaying a somewhat skewed notion of the range of tasks a book editor's job entails. However, since there is a difference between (say) Teresa's work with Bob Wilson on Spin, and what I did when I reissued Effinger's "Marid" trilogy, I've been careful to note the provenance of each of our titles in the months covered on the list.

#27 ::: John M. Ford ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 08:42 PM:

since we probably didn't change any of the author's word

The Word, It Be In Violet.

Like lots of we, I have Tales Calculated to Make You Go WTF? over reissues, but none of them involve any of the present company.

#28 ::: Rob Rusick ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 09:03 PM:

Skwid: Why is it that Editors almost always go uncredited on Novels?

In a related side issue, I almost never see credit given for the cover art.

#29 ::: Chryss ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 09:46 PM:

David Bowie as Nikolai Tesla.

New Emma Bull in 2007.

Oh, there's my faith in the universe restored. That's what that feels like. Neat.

#30 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 09:52 PM:

Rob@28: That depends a lot on the publisher. I buy too many mass-market paperbacks, and catalog all of them because I hate buying a 2nd copy by mistake. I don't recall finding a cover artist in Roc for some time; IIRC, Baen and Tor always credit. It's often in tiny type on one of the versos.

#31 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: August 31, 2006, 10:59 PM:

Our cover art credits are generally on the back flap of hardcovers, the back cover of trade paperbacks, and the copyright page of mass-market paperbacks.

Our editorial credits, when the editor opts for one, are on the copyright page.

#32 ::: Anne KG Murphy ::: (view all by) ::: September 01, 2006, 08:26 AM:

Speaking of editorial credits being on the copyright page, in case people haven't noticed, on many editions amazon.com has started offering a view of an image of the copyright page. That's how I confirmed some of the books I added to Teresa's wikipedia page. On books that have this on amazon, there's a group of links at the top of the book entry. as in:

Explore: Citations | Books on Related Topics | Concordance | Text Stats | SIPs | CAPs
Browse: Front Cover | Copyright | Excerpt | Back Cover | Surprise Me!

Go to the copyright page of the 1st edition to see if there's an editorial credit.

#33 ::: Lee sees spam ::: (view all by) ::: April 24, 2014, 12:14 AM:

Not even trying, @33.

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