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      <description>Fulfilling a promise made to two successive Worldcon business meetings, and in response to widespread complaints that it's not always...</description>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #1 from Linkmeister</title>
         <description>comment from Linkmeister on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Bill James or representatives of the Elias Sports Bureau attend Worldcons?</p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006  4:18 PM by Linkmeister</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #2 from "Charles Dodgson"</title>
         <description>comment from "Charles Dodgson" on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Don't know about Bill James, but Eric Van, who is (among many other things) a staff sabermetrician for the Red Sox, was on multiple panels at the most recent LAcon (and is one of the organizers of Readercon, a quirky and interesting local con in my neck of the woods)...</p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006  4:52 PM by "Charles Dodgson"</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #3 from Karen Babcock</title>
         <description>comment from Karen Babcock on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Nice to have the list. A suggestion, though: For people using text browsers or for people with sight-impairments who need to use a reader, it'd be good to have a text flag on each line instead of/in addition to the color indicator.</p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006  5:19 PM by Karen Babcock</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #4 from Bob Oldendorf</title>
         <description>comment from Bob Oldendorf on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Thanks for this.</p>

<p>Not only is it intrinsically interesting, but it gives us reasons to live:</p>

<p>Mine in particular: <br />
A movie version of <i>The Prestige</i>!<br />
An affordable edition of <i>Adventures in Unhistory</i>! Yay! </p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #5 from Natalie</title>
         <description>comment from Natalie on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I have to wait until *April* for the reissue of <i>Freedom & Necessity</i>?  I may cry.  I used to have a paperback that I gave away for some reason lost in the mists of time, picked up a used hardback, sat down to read it and found that there were pages missing/duplicated.  Very sad.</p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006  5:41 PM by Natalie</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #6 from debcha</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>And Bob, it gets better. <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482571/" rel="nofollow">The Prestige</a> is directed by Christopher Nolan. Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale are the rival magicians.</p>

<p>And <i>David Bowie</i> plays <i>Nikola Tesla</i>.</p>

<p>I know what I'm doing on October 20th.*</p>

<p><br />
*Possibly driving to NYC; it's in limited release. Damn, I miss living in a movie town!</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #7 from Bob Oldendorf</title>
         <description>comment from Bob Oldendorf on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p><i>And</i> David Bowie<i> plays</i> Nikola Tesla.</p>

<p>I just needed to read that again. </p>

<p> We gotcher 'statistically improbable phrase', right here.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #8 from broundy</title>
         <description>comment from broundy on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I'm curious about two titles on the list:</p>

<p><i>Brother to Dragons, Companion to Owls by Jane Lindskold (trade paperback, reprint of Avon mass-market paperback original)<br />
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke (mass market paperback, reprint of Bloomsbury hardcover)</i></p>

<p>With a reprint of a book from another publisher, how much editing is involved?  Will you actually be making changes to the text, or is it mostly production work to deal with the new format?</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #9 from Jesse</title>
         <description>comment from Jesse on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>It <i>all</i> looks good, it really does, but...</p>

<p><b>New Emma Bull. 2007.</b></p>

<p>Can I get an <i>Amen!</i></p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006  6:58 PM by Jesse</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #10 from Ericka</title>
         <description>comment from Ericka on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Thanks for the list! I just downloaded the Whisperado release too. Knowing it's too effusive (sorry), I am nevertheless amazed by, awed, intimidated and <i>grateful</i> for everything the two of you manage to do.</p>

<p>*OK, back into my den now.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #11 from mary</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>yay, I have two Patricks and a Teresa in the pile on my bedside table. I see much good reading in the crystal ball--yes this is a good excuse to go on living. :)</p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006  7:20 PM by mary</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #12 from "Charles Dodgson"</title>
         <description>comment from "Charles Dodgson" on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><blockquote>I have to wait until *April* for the reissue of Freedom & Necessity?</blockquote>

<p>Well, some of us will be waiting until June for <em>The Execution Channel</em>.  I expect a rather frustrating ten months...</p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006  8:38 PM by "Charles Dodgson"</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #13 from Steve Taylor</title>
         <description>comment from Steve Taylor on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Patrick writes:</p>

<p>> and also off of our home page that nobody ever reads</p>

<p>Hey, I read it. Well - I have read it in the past.</p>

<p>And this makes as nice a spot as any to say how cheering I find that "Velvet Underground Cover" picture. It looks like a very good moment - the sort of photo that's a nice reminder that life's ok.</p>

<p>Uh - not that I'm stalking you, mind you.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #14 from beth meacham</title>
         <description>comment from beth meacham on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Hmmm...Yes.  I'll put a list of my 2007 books up on my web site, and give you a link when I'm done.<br />
</p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006 10:04 PM by beth meacham</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #15 from Anne KG  Murphy</title>
         <description>comment from Anne KG  Murphy on 30.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>mmm... Nothing like a good excuse to update <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_Nielsen_Hayden" rel="nofollow">Teresa's wikipedia entry</a>.  (Raising all kind of issues in my mind about how to properly represent the work of a book editor in Wikipedia, noting for instance that the only things listed in David G. Hartwell's bibliography on wikipedia are Anthologies (though some of his more notable book projects are mentioned in his initial biography).  I suppose it should be Bibliography, split into Editor and Nonfiction?  Does Tor even keep records of who edited everything?</p>

<p>I like the way you listed your projects, in that it reflects the fact that there is still editorial work to be done in further editions.  Though I have a sneaking suspicion that consideration for the new Hugo Award for Best Editor Long Form will be based on newly introduced books.</p>

<p><br />
(And for those of you who haven't noticed it, the <a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Teresa_Nielsen_Hayden" rel="nofollow">WikiQuote Project's page for Teresa</a> longs for your favorites to be added. )</p>
	 <p>Posted August 30, 2006 10:17 PM by Anne KG  Murphy</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #16 from Lois Fundis</title>
         <description>comment from Lois Fundis on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p><i>An affordable edition of Adventures in Unhistory! Yay!</i></p>

<p>And double yay!! (Thus two exclamation points.) Consider it preordered.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #17 from Bruce Arthurs</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Arthurs on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>The list reminds me to mention that Hilde read Jo Walton's FARTHING a few days ago, and had this to say about it:</p>

<p><i>"This was an extraordinarily good book, and I never want to read it again."</i></p>

<p>(Yes, this is actually high praise.  Usually books that disturbing... well, "good" is not the word that crosses her lips.)</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #18 from Laina</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>#9, Jesse<br />
<i>New Emma Bull. 2007.  Can I get an Amen!</i></p>

<p>I'll give you an Amen - just as soon as I finish my small Happy Dance.</p>
	 <p>Posted August 31, 2006  2:26 AM by Laina</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #19 from David Goldfarb</title>
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         <content:encoded><p><b><i>AMEN!!!</i></b></p>
	 <p>Posted August 31, 2006  6:21 AM by David Goldfarb</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #20 from Jo Walton</title>
         <description>comment from Jo Walton on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Bruce @ #17 -- I'm so glad you lik... um, well, anyway, but will you read the sequels? </p>
	 <p>Posted August 31, 2006  7:59 AM by Jo Walton</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #21 from TexAnne</title>
         <description>comment from TexAnne on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>SQUEEEEE!!! <i>Brokedown Palace!!!</i> </p>
	 <p>Posted August 31, 2006  9:21 AM by TexAnne</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #22 from Bruce Arthurs</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Arthurs on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Jo Walton@#20:<br />
<i>"but will you read the sequels?"</i></p>

<p>Hilde might not, but I probably would.  (I'm several chapters into FARTHING at the moment.)</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #23 from Anne KG  Murphy</title>
         <description>comment from Anne KG  Murphy on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Bill Higgins just emailed me a quote from Teresa to put up, which is a good idea, and I thought I'd mention to folks in general that as a wiki editor I'm happy to add things (articles/additions/corrections) to wikipedia, wikiquote, or even conrunner.net for people (please provide source references if possible).  My username is Netmouse in all of those places, and you can email me at that username at netmouse.com.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #24 from Skwid</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Oh, most excellent.  I've been wanting something like this for the longest time.</p>

<p>Why is it that Editors almost always go uncredited on Novels?  I've found it to be a consistently reliable datum as to whether or not I'll care for a book when I can discover who edited it. It may not be enough that I would purchase a book with nothing else to go on but that info, but were it consitently available (say on the Copyright page) I know it would influence my decisions.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #25 from sdn</title>
         <description>comment from sdn on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p><i>I have two Patricks and a Teresa in the pile on my bedside table.</i></p>

<p>collect them all! operators are standing by.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #26 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Regarding Jo Walton's <em>Farthing</em>, as it happens, I just today concluded the deal to buy <em>Ha'penny</em>, the already-written sequel.</p>

<p>All kinds of work is involved in reissuing old books, whether it's new softcover editions of books we previously did in hardcover, or new Tor and/or Orb editions of books previously published by someone else.  People who wonder if there's any real work involved--since we probably didn't change any of the author's word--are displaying a somewhat skewed notion of the range of tasks a book editor's job entails.  However, since there <em>is</em> a difference between (say) Teresa's work with Bob Wilson on <em>Spin</em>, and what I did when I reissued Effinger's "Marid" trilogy, I've been careful to note the provenance of each of our titles in the months covered on the list.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #27 from John M. Ford</title>
         <description>comment from John M. Ford on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p><i>since we probably didn't change any of the author's word</i></p>

<p>The Word, It Be In Violet.</p>

<p>Like lots of we, I have Tales Calculated to Make You Go WTF? over reissues, but none of them involve any of the present company.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #28 from Rob Rusick</title>
         <description>comment from Rob Rusick on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Skwid: <i>Why is it that Editors almost always go uncredited on Novels?</i></p>

<p>In a related side issue, I almost never see credit given for the cover art. </p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #29 from Chryss</title>
         <description>comment from Chryss on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>David Bowie as Nikolai Tesla.</p>

<p>New Emma Bull in 2007.</p>

<p></p>

<p>Oh, there's my faith in the universe restored. That's what that feels like. Neat.</p>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #30 from CHip</title>
         <description>comment from CHip on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Rob@28: That depends a lot on the publisher. I buy too many mass-market paperbacks, and catalog all of them because I hate buying a 2nd copy by mistake. I don't recall finding a cover artist in Roc for some time; IIRC, Baen and Tor always credit. It's often in tiny type on one of the versos.</p>
	 <p>Posted August 31, 2006  9:52 PM by CHip</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #31 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 31.Aug.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Our cover art credits are generally on the back flap of hardcovers, the back cover of trade paperbacks, and the copyright page of mass-market paperbacks.</p>

<p>Our editorial credits, when the editor opts for one, are on the copyright page.</p>
	 <p>Posted August 31, 2006 10:59 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>Baseball stats -- comment #32 from Anne KG Murphy</title>
         <description>comment from Anne KG Murphy on  1.Sep.06</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Speaking of editorial credits being on the copyright page, in case people haven't noticed, on many editions amazon.com has started offering a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0312855818/ref=sib_dp_top_cr/102-4735279-3626550?ie=UTF8&p=S009" rel="nofollow">view of an image of the copyright page</a>.  That's how I confirmed some of the books I added to Teresa's wikipedia page.  On books that have this on amazon, there's a group of links at the top of the book entry. as in:</p>

<p>Explore: Citations | Books on Related Topics  | Concordance  | Text Stats  | SIPs | CAPs<br />
Browse: Front Cover | Copyright | Excerpt | Back Cover | Surprise Me! </p>

<p>Go to the copyright page of the 1st edition to see if there's an editorial credit.</p>
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         <pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:26:16 -0500</pubDate>
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