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      <title>A Marine in Iraq</title>
      <description>&quot;A Marine in Iraq&quot; was first published in September 06 in Larry Johnson's weblog No Quarter. He vouched for it...</description>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #1 from abi</title>
         <description>comment from abi on 11.Feb.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading this while listening to remixes of "Code Monkey".  They are expressions of remarkably similar emotion.</p>

<p>Were it not far, far too easy in these days to seem disrespectful to the troops, I would attempt a pastiche.</p>

<p>(And, of course, if I weren't so damned tired.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 11, 2007  3:49 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #2 from Martin Wisse</title>
         <description>comment from Martin Wisse on 11.Feb.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't this get linked to earlier on <i>Making Light, in a particle perhaps? In any case, I read it before and it is good.</i></p>

<p>Meanwhile...</p>

<p>Next year, <a href="http://www.cloggie.org/wissewords/index.php?entry=/20070211-how-stupid-do-they-think-we-are.txt" rel="nofollow">"a marine in Iran"</a>?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 11, 2007  5:19 PM by Martin Wisse&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #3 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 11.Feb.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He sounds like a decent fellow stuck at the bottom of a latrine by his bosses.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 11, 2007  6:16 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #4 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fragano @3</strong><br />
Thus the code monkey link.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 11, 2007  6:18 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #5 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi #4: Indeed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 11, 2007  7:30 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #6 from Bryan Catherman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is some good reading.  Thanks!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 11, 2007 11:28 PM by Bryan Catherman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #7 from Alex</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been reblogged to exhaustion, but the guy is Colonel Pete Devlin, who was the G2 officer (head of intelligence) for the Marines in Anbar. He later hit the headlines after one of his assessments was leaked to the press, which essentially said "we're fucked."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007  8:25 AM by Alex&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #8 from John</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading that (from an officer too, not a non-com or private), I'm not surprised so many servicemen (and women) return to the US and proceed to abuse their spouse/children, or commit suicide.  Bush is rapidly turning our military into a shell of itself, and creating another crop of ex-military with emotional, physical and psychological scars they'll carry the rest of their lives.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007 10:26 AM by John&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #9 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall correctly, the military was trying to nip the post traumatic stress disorder problem in the bud. Something like one-third of all personel returning from Iraq were getting various forms of counseling.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007 10:45 AM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #10 from John</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they are, but if so, then there's still plenty of men and women coming back from deployment to Iraq/Afghanistan that are falling through the cracks.  Living here in NC, with two of the bases men are being deployed from nearby (Camp Lejeune and Fort Bragg), the media seems to report monthly about someone who killed/abused their spouse/child after they came home.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007 11:21 AM by John&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #11 from BigHank53</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Theresa's particles, here's a photo of one of our <a href="http://www.worldpressphoto.com/index.php?option=com_photogallery&task=view&id=875&Itemid=146&bandwidth=high]?rss" rel="nofollow">marines.</a></p>

<p>Rot in hell, George Bush.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007 11:57 AM by BigHank53&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #12 from John</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't express in words what I felt when I saw that photo.  I just can't.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007 12:50 PM by John&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #13 from Lori Coulson</title>
         <description>comment from Lori Coulson on 12.Feb.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to take a look at these troops too, since MSM isn't allowed to cover them:</p>

<p><a href="http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essays/bitterfruit.aspx" rel="nofollow">bitter fruit</a><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007  1:52 PM by Lori Coulson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #14 from John</title>
         <description>comment from John on 12.Feb.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, all that happens down here is the news announces "yet another Fort Bragg soldier died yesterday in Iraq", gives his (or her) name, and then they move on to the next story.  </p>

<p>The Washington Post has an article today that says the Army is STILL trying to get all their Humvees up-armored, and have sent assurances that more armor kits will be sent out by mid-year.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/11/AR2007021101345.html?nav=hcmodule" rel="nofollow">Humvee Armor</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007  2:08 PM by John&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #15 from John Stanning</title>
         <description>comment from John Stanning on 12.Feb.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Biggest Hassle - High-ranking visitors.</i> <br />
I have a distinct memory of a Kipling short story in which an early-20th-century Indian civil servant complains about visiting VIPs from England in much the same terms. Plus ça change, plus c'est pareil... </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007  4:08 PM by John Stanning&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #16 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad (USMC 1963-1967) sent that to me when it first surfaced.  I never doubted the veracity of it.</p>

<p>As for the PTS counselling people are getting, unless it's gotten better than what I got, it's cursory, unless the troop really wants to get help.</p>

<p>I know, looking back, I could have used more than I got, and I had no trouble making the counsellor think I was just fine (coping as well as can be expected, was one of the comments; it all boiled down to , "fundamentally stable" which was true, but far from complete).<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007  5:03 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #17 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #11:  <a href="http://archive.reduxpictures.com/Production/PhotoGroupView.aspx?pbid=4&msa=1&pgid=6415897" rel="nofollow">More photos of that Marine</a>, including some Before shots of him and his fiancee.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007  6:47 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #18 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh god. What the photos at Jim's link (17) make clear is that Ty Ziegel, the burn victim, only has two fingers and a thumb on his right hand, and his left hand has been amputated several inches above the wrist.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007  9:41 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #19 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What's striking about <a href="http://www.worldpressphoto.com/index.php?option=com_photogallery&task=view&id=875&Itemid=146&bandwidth=high" rel="nofollow">that photo</a> is that there are two faces in it.  One of them is horrifying.  The other is unforgettable.  And you know which is which.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007  9:53 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #20 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just became painfully clear to me how much the cost of this fking war has been swept under the rug by those who want others to keep fighting it.</p>

<p>That showing pictures of US dead and wounded became "unpatriotic" was an amazing win for the Ministries of Peace, Truth, and Love.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007 10:58 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #21 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, abuse of spouses and kids doesn't necessarily come from being in war.  My father first threw me at the wall when I was three and he wasn't on Ranger off the coast of Vietnam until I was eight.  There've been studies done of military violence to families during peacetime, as well as war, and while violence increases during war, it's still there during peace.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 12, 2007 11:51 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #22 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Marilee @21</strong><br />
I know it's not germane to your point, but your post made me want to go upstairs and put my arms around my three year old daughter.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 13, 2007  1:56 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #23 from John</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilee, I understand what you're saying, but when men (and women) do not exhibit these tendencies, go off to war, return and then do, there's something going on.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 13, 2007  6:44 AM by John&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #24 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi, #22, people are always surprised when I smile at noisy kids in restaurants.  Oh, they could probably use some more parenting, but they aren't sitting stiff upright, silent, moving their fork in a rigid rectangular pattern from the plate to the mouth and back, and blanching when their parent looks at them.  Some people who know what my childhood was like think I should still care about my father.  They clearly don't grasp the experience.</p>

<p>John, #23, how do you know they don't have those tendencies?  Abuse isn't always talked about outside the house.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 13, 2007  9:20 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #25 from Jason</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel for the guy, but I'm really glad that his fiancée was still willing to marry him. <br />
And as for the awfullness of war, what else is new? We've spent the last few thousands of years learing how to better kill and maim our fellow humans.</p>

<p>Such injuries were suffered trying to liberate the death camps of Nazi Germany. Does that make it any better than the current fracas? Did that end justify these sorts of prices?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 14, 2007 11:01 AM by Jason&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #26 from Lori Coulson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, if you don't understand the differences between the USA's involvement in WWII and the treasonous activities of the Bush Administration which lead to the debacle in Iraq, I don't think anything I can say will be a satisfactory explanation. </p>

<p>Marilee, been there and experienced something similar -- but I think your family situation was worse than mine <i>and for mine it WAS peacetime at that time.</i></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 15, 2007  1:08 PM by Lori Coulson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #27 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori, I think the fact that my folks were fundamentalist Christians made it worse.  Mother really didn't believe she was allowed to stop him or leave him.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 15, 2007  7:31 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #28 from Jason</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori,<br />
You seem to have missed my point entirely. These sorts of maimings happen in war, every war. For causes good, bad and indifferent. Does that make a difference?</p>

<p>As for the current affair, I can accept debacle, although my definition is likely different than yours, but treasonous? Not by any definition.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 17, 2007 12:33 PM by Jason&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #29 from Sica</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for soldiers coming back from Iraq and being not quite right in the head afterwards. A friend of mine got attacked by a few of them here in Scotland.</p>

<p>It was reasonably late and they were before him in an ATM queue and the one of the ATMs was broken, my friend went and used the other one and then commented to the soldiers that the machine they were trying to use was broken, i.e the "out of service" message flashing on the screen was why it wasn't working for them.</p>

<p>He got immediately punched in the jaw and nose, he managed to stay on his feet so after that they got friendly and offered to buy him a pint and said they'd just hit him to see if he'd stay on his feet.</p>

<p>My friend was more concerned about going to the nearest hospital and having his possibly broken jaw looked at.</p>

<p>Who knows, this might have nothing to do with the guys having just returned from Iraq a few days before but they were definately not right in the head.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 18, 2007  1:23 AM by Sica&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #30 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 18.Feb.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for soldiers coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan, Walter Reed is a problem.  They weren't expecting and are not designed to handle so many casualities so some of the housing is <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/17/AR2007021701172.html" rel="nofollow">substandard and the soldiers are being neglected.</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 18, 2007  6:08 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #31 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/18/AR2007021801335.html" rel="nofollow">follow-up</a> today plus an article for tomorrow about Walter Reed starting to <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/19/AR2007021900759.html?nav=trm" rel="nofollow">fixing up</a> Building 18.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 19, 2007  9:18 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #32 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Helm Murray on 19.Feb.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilee, thanks for the unlocked story.  It's only gotten worse.  The army fscked my brother over and the VA compounded the damage (a doc gave him a limitless prescription for librium, which he proceeded to abuse the hell out of, and it made him schizophrenic.... unti he was finally incarcerated and dried out).</p>

<p>He had gone into the military to have a career at it like papa, I think he at least got an honorable discharge but I'm not sure. We don't talk about mental illness in my family.... (my mom is the queen and my father WAS the king of denial--'don't talk about it and it doesn't exist...').  His first Viet Nam tour was a piece of cake, he was a missile specialist.  the second tour he was a Huey pilot and was traumatic in ways that he didn't/doesn't talk about.  I lost my brother, the older guy that I talked to and sang with and respected and  loved with all the joy a 10-years-younger sister can manage.  And learned to hate war more than I had before (I always thought it was a waste).</p>

<p>This whole adventure in Iraq has just been such a waste of everything, I cry about it at least once a day.  But the guy who's sending them has no conscience and no heart, and really does not give a damn about anything except the profits his trust fund (and Mr. Dickhead's trust fund) is accruing.  And until/if there is an election we can't do much else except protest.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 19, 2007 10:19 PM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #33 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War is, of its nature, so terrible that it must only be engaged in for the very best, most compelling reasons.</p>

<p>The reasons we were involved in WWII were both good and compelling.</p>

<p>This Iraq adventure: the reasons we are there are neither good nor compelling.</p>

<p><br />
As to Walter Reed:  we used to have a joke:  Nothing's too good for our boys in uniform.  It's just that Congress hasn't figured out how to give us less than nothing.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 19, 2007 10:32 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #34 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm just sayin' they've been shorting the vets for  a long time.  And the VA is getting stuck with trying to do more for more people and getting less money.  Who's going to suffer? The vets.  It sucks all around and I don't know what more I can do besides protest.</p>

<p>Because of our familial history of denial, I'm certain that the VA did nothing to help my brother, because he didn't ask (well, except keeping on taking that librium).  In fact, because he as a BS in psychiatry, he made sure he didn't get diagnosed until he started acting out in an illegal way and he had no control of his problems. (sorta long story, short trip to Larned, KS where they have the hospital that takes care of the criminally mentally ill in Kansas... he's done okay since he got released, but he is not the person I knew once upon a time).  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 19, 2007 10:51 PM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #35 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww, come on! The only <i>real</i> way of showing support for our troops is to uncritically accept every mission they're sent on. If you don't buy into it, you may as well be getting in line with the hippies to spit on guys coming home from the war.</p>

<p>That and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8" rel="nofollow">magnetic yellow ribbons</a>.<br />
[/snark]</p>

<p>If Bush is ever impeached and convicted, a suitable punishment might be getting kicked in the groin with every prosthetic foot he made possible.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 19, 2007 11:42 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #36 from Lori Coulson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, you don't call outing a covert operative and destroying the counter-proliferation divsion she worked for treason?</p>

<p>This was done deliberately to enable the current Mis-Administration to lie about the nuclear capabilities of other countries. </p>

<p>Bush lied to get us into this war, and his master, Cheney launched an attack on those who told the truth about the situation. </p>

<p>Acts of honorable men? I don't think so.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 20, 2007 10:41 AM by Lori Coulson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #37 from Jason</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori,<br />
Valerie Plame wasn't covert, fer Chrissakes, she was only an analyst. And I don't know about what happened to the division she worked for. But treasonous, by the Constitutional definition, not by any means.</p>

<p>Bush lied? About what? WMDs? Unfortunately pretty much everybody else, like the British, French and German intelligence services, agreed with the Administration's belief that the Iraqis had WMDs. So I'll have to pass on that particular lie.</p>

<p>I'm far more concerned about the mismanaged conduct of the war than anything else. The total failure to plan for stability operations is scarier to me than all the other BS that the KOSsacks are up in arms about because that process isn't supposed to be political. Such incompetence in our professional military is frightening.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 23, 2007 10:54 AM by Jason&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #38 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason @ 37</p>

<p>You blew your whole argument in your first sentence.</p>

<p>If Valerie's employment weren't classified and covert, the CIA wouldn't have sent the case to the Justice Department, because they wouldn't have thought that a crime had been committed.</p>

<p>That's what Libby was trying to hide. Lying to keep it a secret is what he's on trial for.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 23, 2007 11:03 AM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #39 from Lori Coulson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason -- go spend the day reading a blog called FireDogLake, or better yet, check out a book entitled "Anatomy of Deceit." (It's available at Amazon.com.)</p>

<p>In case you haven't been following the Libby trial, the evidence demonstrating Libby's commission of perjury also shows that Dick Cheney was the driving force behind outing Valerie Plame and her cover company, Brewster-Jennings.</p>

<p>What makes it even more ironic is that Cheney is the one who requested that the CIA check out the Niger info in the first place...and when it didn't produce the result Cheney wanted, he and the rest of the Administration lied about that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 23, 2007 12:26 PM by Lori Coulson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>A Marine in Iraq -- comment #40 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To finish out the Walter Reed articles, a story on <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/22/AR2007022200891.html" rel="nofollow">Richard Twohig</a> who was not only injured in Iraq, but had to fight to get his disability.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 26, 2007  5:00 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, the military tried to plan for stability operations: Rumsfeld said he'd fire the next person who brought the subject up. This is not incompetence: it's deliberate; it's malign.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 26, 2007  6:45 PM by Niall McAuley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is now a video clip available about the Ty Ziegel, the badly wounded marine, whose girlfriend stood by him after he returned with horrible injuries (excellent pictures by Nina Berman)</p>

<p>http://www.ifilm.com/video/2870953</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July  6, 2007  7:40 PM by Michael&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is now a video clip available about the Ty Ziegel, the badly wounded marine, whose girlfriend stood by him after he returned with horrible injuries (excellent pictures by Nina Berman)</p>

<p>http://www.ifilm.com/video/2870953</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July  6, 2007  7:40 PM by Michael&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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