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July 10, 2007

Found in the mail
Posted by Teresa at 09:52 PM *

Woo! Jhegaala!

Y’all’ll excuse me for a while here …

Comments on Found in the mail:
#2 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2007, 10:17 PM:

***happy dance***

#3 ::: HC ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2007, 10:36 PM:

Regretfully, New York does not admit necessity defenses for burglary.

Have fun!

#4 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2007, 10:48 PM:

Hrmph. Well I have some philodendron-colored* sock yarn. So there.

*okay, technically it's beryl-colored. But the socks will be kinda leafy.

#5 ::: Mark Wise ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2007, 11:04 PM:

M'dear, you are a tease.

This is one of those secret ninja editor marketing skills, isn't it?

#6 ::: xeger ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2007, 11:13 PM:

Ooooh! That's interesting enough to distract me from the profoundly irritating parasitic saprophyte I'm trying to remove from the Internet!

#7 ::: Kate Nepveu ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2007, 11:20 PM:




#8 ::: Carl ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2007, 11:44 PM:

Drooling in anticipation...

#9 ::: Claude Muncey ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2007, 11:50 PM:


#11 ::: Tania ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:18 AM:

And I'll have to wait how long to get it....??? March 08?

Thank you Mr. Brust!

#12 ::: jack ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:24 AM:

All you need now is some matzo ball soup from Feng's.

#13 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:58 AM:


Reminds me of the galley Patrick sent me of Sethra Lavode, which is still one of the nicest things ever done for me be by a semi-stranger, and was great for my mental health.

I ought to tell Steve about it, since he has some credit for it.

Oh, yeah, I'm not jealous, just slightly envious; but I can wait.

#14 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 01:07 AM:

Cosmic Dog: Steven K. Brust is a wonderful writer (and a fellow of infinite jest). He just sent (I am assuming) Teresa his most recently completed manuscript.

Those of us who like his stuff, are now anticipating our chance to read it.

#15 ::: Adam Lipkin ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 06:03 AM:

Okay, so you've had eight hours to read the book. How is it? :-)

#16 ::: JC ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 06:38 AM:

Woo hoo! One step closer to publication.

Also, I had wondered which house would get the next Vlad novel.

#17 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 06:59 AM:

JC@16: I take it you don't read Those who do have known it was Jhegaala for a while now.

#18 ::: Steve Buchheit ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 07:40 AM:

It's okay my lawn is brown 'cause I'm now so green with envy. However, I'm willing to wait for the editorial process to make it the excellent book I'll ask for my birthday next year.

#19 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 07:40 AM:

Remember to butter the manuscript before you eat it.

#20 ::: Jo Walton ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 09:50 AM:

So, I don't want spoilers, but does it have any food in it?

(Still hungry from Dzur.)

#21 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 10:04 AM:

Jo: if one were to read Dzur and then go see "Ratatouille", it is possible one's innards would become so hollow that a convenient tactical-sized black hole would manifest itself.

I'm not gonna try it.

#22 ::: Phil Lee ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 10:26 AM:

Lila@21, for the true trifecta of food-lust inducing media, add the Juzo Itami film Tampopo to your list. If attempting to view Tampopo, it is absolutely vital that you go into it as full as possible, preferably from having eaten a large, fully packed bowl of ramen in advance.

#23 ::: JC ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 10:30 AM:

#17: Hmm, I should do that. Thanks!

#24 ::: Zeynep ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 10:30 AM:

I wonder whether "jealous" or "envious" is the right response here. I'll just settle for "faintly green."

#25 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 10:42 AM:

Thanks, Terry. I was having the feeling of man when his date runs into some friends from college.

I just read his Quantum Muse interview and he seems absolutely fascinating. I must, therefore, go out and read everything of his that I can get my hands on. Any suggestions on where to start?

#26 ::: Cynthia Wood ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:04 AM:

Excuse me, I have to go get something to mop up the drool.

#27 ::: Kate Nepveu ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:06 AM:

CosmicDog: brace yourself.

Most of Brust's works are set in a fantasy world called Dragaera, in which there are humans and Dragaerans, very long-lived tall humanoids called "elfs" (or possibly "elves," I forget which) by one of the secondary human characters.

These fall into two series (and one standalone, which I'm going to blithely ignore because I'm not a good advocate for it).

The first are the Vlad Taltos books, narrated in first-person smartass by a human witch, mafia boss, and assassin--at least at the beginning. Start with _Jhereg_. You should read them in publication order, at least to the extent of reading _Orca_, _Issola_, and _Dzur_ in that order and after almost everything else.

The second are the Khaavren books, which are pastiches of Dumas' Three Musketeers series. These start with _The Phoenix Guards_, though it might be possible to begin with _The Paths of the Dead_ if you've read some of the Vlad books first.

These are both very fun but, obviously, very different in style. If either sounds appealing, try one.

A notable standalone is _Agyar_, which is an absolutely pitch-perfect diary, by which I mean that it contains nothing that the character wouldn't write down. It's dark fantasy and positively brilliant.

A notable co-authored novel is _Freedom and Necessity_, with Emma Bull_, which was dedicated to Teresa as possibly the ideal reader for the novel. It's also epistolary, set in 1849 England; I blather at length elsewhere.

I think that'll do to be going on with.

#28 ::: lorax ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:08 AM:

CosmicDog @25, the canonical place to begin is at the beginning, which is Jhereg. The first three books in the Vlad series -- Jhereg, Yendi, Teckla -- are currently available (or at least, were most recently available) as The Book of Jhereg.

The "Paarfi books", starting with The Phoenix Guards are set in the same world, and you should wait until you've read a few of the Vlad books.

As for the non-Dragaera books, read 'em as you like, but bear in mind that many people consider Cowboy Feng's Space Bar and Grille to be the weakest. It's also Brust's only science fiction novel, and is thus not representative.

#29 ::: JC ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:25 AM:

If we're recommending Brust books, I have to put in a plug for The Sun, the Moon and the Stars.

Writing fiction about struggling artists is tricky. However, TStMatS is just lovely. All the characters, and their struggles feel interesting, and true to life. His take on the band of five artist and how they deal with their (lack of) success is hypnotic. It's a great story about art, and its creation. (It's also quite different in tone from his Vlad books, although it's clearly by the same author.)

#30 ::: Steve Buchheit ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:27 AM:

#25 CosmicDog, on Brust recommendations, Kate Nepveu and lorax forgot to mention my favorite Brust book, The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars a mix of faery tale and story of a group of artists. Doesn't sound good from that description but it's an excellent book.

They also didn't mention his To Reign in Hell.

Nothing against the Vlad books (which was how I discovered him) and the Paarfi books (which kept me laughing all the way through). I just like these a little more.

#31 ::: Steve Buchheit ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:34 AM:

Opps, JC beat me to it.

#32 ::: Sarah ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:45 AM:

In the words of my 2-year-old, "wanty want!"

Nice sock yarn, too, TexAnne. I'm doing on in Puck's Mischief right now.

#33 ::: Sarah ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:48 AM:

As far as other books, I don't think anyone's mentioned Brokedown Palace yet. I liked it - it's an odd sort of fairy tale that I couldn't get out of my head for weeks after I read it.

#34 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:50 AM:

Lorax, 28: I thought To Reign in Hell was also sf.

CosmicDog: Be warned that these books are addictive. Don't start reading them if you've got anything important to do, and be prepared to stand, twitching, in front of the library until it opens.

#35 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:55 AM:

Sarah: yeah, I ordered one of those too. What pattern are you using?

Brokedown Palace is the same story as The Sun etc. And, oh dang, the Vlad story where he makes up the thing to get the thing to the place. You know?

#36 ::: Anne Sheller ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:08 PM:

Where's that mop? I'm in on the drooling-in-anticipation fest too.

#37 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:11 PM:

Phil @ #22, I have seen "Tampopo". What an incredibly weird movie. I didn't find it nearly as hunger-inducing as the other two, though.

Re: Brust, I will read anything he chooses to write, and treasure the secret hope that he will one day write a cookbook. Brokedown Palace is the only work of his that didn't click with me, and I'm convinced this is my fault. (Agyar, incidentally, is the reason V pna'g ernq nalobql ryfr'f inzcver abiryf.)

#38 ::: Sarah ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:15 PM:

TexAnne, 35:

I'm using the Yarn Harlot's Basic Sock Recipe, since the colors are so busy, but I think I may whack a cable down the side to keep it interesting.

The Vlad book - do you mean Gnygbf? They are very similar as far as the gjb-fgbevrf-vagrefcrefrq fgehpgher, and he's exploring the same themes in the same mythology, but for some reason BP struck me more than the others. It might have something to do with the fact that I read it while snowed in at a cabin on Mount Hood, though - that definitely added to the atmosphere.

(Probably not really spoilers; I just love the rot13 generator.)

#39 ::: JBWoodford ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:26 PM:

#34 TexAnne: I thought To Reign in Hell was also sf.

I don't think so, although I thought it owed a lot in tone to Zelazny's Lord of Light (which is sf).

#30 Steve Buchheit: I just like these a little more.

I'm conflicted about TRiH. It's brilliant. It's also like watching a slow-motion train wreck--I loved reading it, but I'll probably never read it again; the twin urges to sit the main characters down and thwap them upside the head a few times, and to the villain are too strong. Still, there are some great lines in it--"Get thee behind me, my lord!"

#40 ::: Nancy C. Mittens ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:28 PM:

Oy, I now want to use very expensive sockwool to knit a basic vest pattern (which I already have). [[sigh]] I will continue to knit from stash, as I shouldn't really spend more money on wool.

#41 ::: JBWoodford ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:29 PM:

#39 Me: ...and to the villain...

Oops, that should've been:

"...and to [SPOILER] the villain...

#42 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 12:58 PM:

JC @29 & Steve Buchheit @30

The Sun, the Moon and the Stars was part of the Modern Fairy Tale series, which did retellings of classic fairy tales (in this case, a Hungarian one, IIRC) in modern fantasy terms. There was a retelling of Tam Lin in a university, with Classics students*, and I heard a viscous** rumour that de Lint's Jack the Giant-Killer was originally in the series.

But the real find in the series for me (sorry, Brust fans) was Jane Yolen's harrowing and clever retelling of Briar Rose during the Holocaust.

* So rather like The Secret History, except not.
** didn't you realise that rumours are slimy?

#43 ::: Jeffrey Smith ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 01:19 PM:

Terri Windling's Fairy Tale series:

The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars by Steven Brust (Ace)
Jack the Giant-Killer (a.k.a. Jack of Kinrowan) by Charles de Lint (Ace)
The Nightingale by Kara Dalkey (Ace)
Snow White, Blood Red by Patricia C. Wrede (Tor)
Tam Lin by Pamela Dean (Tor)
Briar Rose by Jane Yolen (Tor)
White as Snow by Tanith Lee (Tor)
Fitcher's Brides by Gregory Frost (Tor)

#44 ::: B. Durbin ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 01:44 PM:

I have two copies of Tam Lin so that I can lend one out.

If I ever find a hardback copy I'll snag it.

Why are so many of the really good books out of print? (rhetorical, but I still don't understand why Sheri Tepper's True Game series is in omnibus format while the other two trilogies of the same world are OOP!)

#45 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 01:53 PM:

Kate: I disagree with the order in which to read them; I would place Taltos at the fore. It's a personal quirk, but I think some of the subtexts better presented/apprehended when the relationships Taltos explains are there first.

I also think it makes Vlad a more apprehensible character.

Then again, his apprehensibility isn't the be all and end all of the books.

Cosmic Dog: "To reign in Hell" probably has one of the best openings of any book; for completely different reasons when compared to say, "Moby Dick" or "A Wrinkle in Time" or any other books which might fall into that category (and yes, Bulwyr-Lytton used, "It was a dark and stormy night" but I don't know how to reconcile good openings fromm bad books, it's a failing; or perhaps a feature, since any of the books I think have great openings are worth reading. I'd put the opening of "D'Shai" in there, but it's not the sentence which makes it, but the parallelisms. I digress).

Sarah: Kate did mention "Brokedown Palace" but I get the impression she didn't care for it much. I just re-read it, and while it's not my favorite Brust book, it stood up well. I've not re-read Cowboy Feng's and suppose I ought to try it again.

#46 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 01:58 PM:

abi @ 42... de Lint's Jack the Giant-Killer indeed was part of that fairytale-retelling series. By the way, do you recommend the book?

#47 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:02 PM:

I have an ethical conundrum that I would like to submit for consideration of this group:

If a book is out of print, but still under copyright, and no commercial or free electronic version exists, am I justified in downloading a pirated version?

#48 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:17 PM:

Serge @46
By the way, do you recommend [Jack the Giant-Killer]?

Yes. I didn't read it at the time I was going through the series, but picked it up along with its sequel. I thought it was very, very good - a real romp through urban fantasy/Faerie overlap, with the Wild Hunt on motorbikes in a modern city, plus the inevitable strand of music and musicianship that de Lindt puts into his work.

I thought the sequel (Drink Down the Moon) had a bad infestation of sequelitis, though.

#49 ::: Steve Buchheit ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:17 PM:

#42 abi and #43 Jeffrey Smith

Cool. I've read some of the rest, but I didn't know they were part of a series. Thanks.

#50 ::: JC ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:29 PM:

#44: I believe the correct answer to your question is, "The natural state of books is out of print." (I don't remember who said this. I believe it's one of the Nielsen Haydens.)

However, I just did a quick check. It turns out that Tam Lin is back in print. According to Amazon, Puffin reissued it on August 3rd, 2006. This means I should probably buy it before it goes out of print again. (I haven't read all of the novels in the Fairy Tale series yet. This is one I'm missing.)

#43: Isn't Snow White, Blood Red a part of different series? IIRC, it's the first volume of Terri Windling and Ellen Datlow's short story anthology series devoted to retellings of fairy tales and folk tales. (i.e., like the other series only short stories rather than novels.)

#51 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:32 PM:

CosmicDog @47: Have you tried a public library? Used book stores?

Terry @45: At some point (I think it was when Phoenix came out), I reread all of the then-existing Vlad books in chronological (as opposed to published) order. Jhereg has a whole lot of introductory how-the-setting-works and who-these-people-are stuff in it; it should be read first by a newbie.

#52 ::: JC ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:39 PM:

#43: Did a quick search.
Snow White and Rose Red is the Patricia Wrede novel.
Snow White, Blood Red is the short story anthology.

#53 ::: Adam Lipkin ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:52 PM:

JC: Definitely different series, but the short story anthologies are likely to appeal to fans of the novels.

#54 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:52 PM:

Sarah, 38: Mm, yes, that--but mostly the way the plot is inseparable from the musings about making art under trying circumstances.

#55 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:55 PM:

abi @ 48... I thought the sequel (Drink Down the Moon) had a bad infestation of sequelitis, though.

Thanks. I've added both books to my look-for-those list. What with my being around the Bay Area next week, I'm bound to find some of those titles.

By the way, what form of sequelitis does the 2nd book take? Incomprehensible without having read the first book? Or just plain unnecessary?

#56 ::: Kate Nepveu ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 02:56 PM:

Terry @ #45: I agree with Avram that _Jhereg_ has useful world-building stuff. I didn't read _Taltos_ first--for me it was _The Phoenix Guards_, and it wasn't until _Jhereg_ that I really understood a lot of the background of _TPG_.

#57 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 03:00 PM:

Serge @55
I don't recall if Drink Down the Moon requires that you read the first book. But it just wasn't one of those stories that clamoured and leaped and howled in its desire to be told. It felt more like, "What happened next?" "Oh, stuff..."

#58 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 03:13 PM:

JC 52: To make things even more confusing, Tanith Lee has her own collection of fairy-tale retellings called Red as Blood. Snow White is a vampire; Cinderella is a vengeful Satanist, and Beauty...well, that story is just heartbreakingly beautiful.

#59 ::: CJ ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 03:19 PM:

Did you like it? Was it amazing? Was there more food?

Damn, I can't wait!

#60 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 03:30 PM:

abi @ 57... It sounds like one of those books that exist only for the purpose of paying someone's grocery bills. Oh well.

#61 ::: SisterCoyote ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 03:37 PM:

Laughing: I just saw Brust's LJ post that he'd sent it to you this morning. :)


#62 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 03:42 PM:

Avram # 51

I see your point. If haven't exhausted all legitimate means to obtain the material, I am not justified to seek illegitimate means.

So, if I am unable to obtain the material legally, should I just wait until is available (ask the library or bookstore to watch for it and obtain a copy if it becomes available; beg friends, neighbors, folks on the Internet) and, possibly, do without; or seek out illegal means to satisfy my desire/need/drive?

I'm not trying to defend a position or rationalize wrong-doing. By no means do I want to do anyone any harm. I'm trying to determine if I am harming someone by downloading an unarthorized copy of a book (which, as of yet, I have not done.)

#63 ::: Jennifer Barber ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 03:43 PM:

Brokedown Palace is the same story as The Sun etc.


Darn, I don't need more books to add to the to-(re-)read pile, but clearly I'm going to have to read these two again, together. Might help me enjoy BP and the fairy tale sections of Sun/Moon/Stars better. (I love the non-fairy-tale portions, I just usually skip over the rest on re-readings.)

I didn't enjoy Tam Lin much when I first read it, but by all rights I ought to have, so I think 14 was a bit too early for me to have appreciated it. I finally managed to acquire a copy via PaperbackSwap, and it's in the aforementioned to-read pile as we speak. (If I do end up liking it this time, I'll almost certainly buy a new copy; the PBS version is so worn it hurts me to think about.) I've read about half of the Fairy Tale series, and Briar Rose is far and away my favourite.

And I agree about the opening of To Reign in Hell. Brilliant first sentence.

#64 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:00 PM:

Cosmic Dog, is there a way to check your entire library system for a copy? I've gotten books from as far away as the Hilo branch on the Big Island through inter-library loans, all requested from the comfort of my own desk. One of those was a 1952 omnibus edition of three Tommy Hambledon spy stories.

My library uses a software package which allows me to request books from anywhere within the system, and I think it's pretty much an institutional standard (Horizon, in case anyone's familiar with it).

#65 ::: Emma ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:12 PM:

More to the point, publication date, please. Soon, pretty please. Very, very soon pretty please with sugar on it...

#66 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:18 PM:

Linkmeister # 64

Yeah, it does. However, my County is still mostly rural, though we do have a city that has garnered some national and international attention (Modesto, CA) and as such, our Public Libraries are somewhat limited. They have started a cross lending program, borrowing books from other libraries. I'll look into that some more, it's been a while since I've tried to use the Library for anything other than research. Most of the time, I can find my entertainment elsewhere.

I am coming to the conclusion, however, that it may be impossible to exhaust legitimate means to find the books I'm looking for (in the US, anyway) and it is thereby unethical to seek illegitimate means.

I am satisfied by that answer.

#67 ::: Emma ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:19 PM:

Cosmic Dog, unless it's a medieval manuscript, I would try Abebooks or Alibris. We use it for legal and literary materials and neither one has failed us yet. Second hand copies are pretty cheap.

#68 ::: thanbo ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:21 PM:

I have seen the theatre where Tampopo played for several months. It was an art house that no longer exists near Lincoln Center, having been replaced with a new giant apartment building and a giant Barnes and Noble. (ObFood:) There was also a nice French restaurant on than block called La Crepe, where I ate once.

#69 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:26 PM:

Oh, and thanks, by the way, for the suggestions, both on what to read and how to find it. I can't believe I forgot to say it before. My grandmother would consider that to be very rude.


Thank you very much!

#70 ::: cleek ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:28 PM:

anyone else having troubles with this site and FireFox ?

seems like every other time i come here, FF dies.

#71 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:45 PM:

CosmicDog, Inter-Library Loan crosses state lines. I got a book through it once when I was in Texas, and the book was from a library in Utah. Try it before you go looking to buy the book.

#72 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 04:49 PM:

Emma 67: CD said it was still under copyright. Few if any medieval manuscripts are.

#73 ::: joann ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 05:00 PM:

cleek #70:

No. FF2.0.mumble, no deaths.

In fact, what is this death of which you speak? Crashes or freezes?

#74 ::: JC ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 05:10 PM:

#69: If you're going the interlibrary loan route, I find that librarians are grateful if I've done some of the footwork for them. (Or at least they act that way. For all I know, they throw away my research as useless and do it again right.) was really useful when I was tracking down a Chinese translation of Ellen Raskin's The Westing Game

I think there are other catalogs of the same sort on the web.

#75 ::: Bruce Cohen, SpeakerToManagers ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 05:26 PM:

cleek @ 70

I have a specific problem with something in the sidebar ads in Firefox. Sometimes when refreshing an ML page, it stops for awhile waiting for, I think, If I get impatient and yank on the scrollbar before it finishes waiting, Firefox locks up, although the menus will sometimes still drop down, allowing me to exit without a force quit of the application. This is on a Mac under OS 10.4.9 and 10.4.10. I thought at first it was a thread timing problem because it was happening on my 7 year old G3 PowerBook, but I just bought a new MacBook Pro, which is both much faster and has a dual core CPU, and it still happens there.

#76 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 05:34 PM:

JC, 74: IYDMMA, why did you need a Chinese translation of The Westing Game?

#77 ::: Wendy Bradley ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 05:35 PM:

The only time I ever came close to being mugged, I was deeply engrossed in reading one of the Three Musketeers pastiche novels (shamefully I forget which one). But I was too engrossed in it to realise I was being surrounded by the pack of youth who were the only other people on an otherwise deserted commuter train station platform until they were ready to move from grinning and nudging into actual touching. And I looked up and, without any engagement of brain at all, found my mouth saying "Gentlemen, I don't believe we've been introduced.." Weirded them out so far they're still reeling.

#78 ::: Emma ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 05:53 PM:

Xopher @72: I know. It was just an exaggeration for effect. Bad choice of example.

#79 ::: Individ-ewe-al ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 05:55 PM:

CosmicDog, I don't think it's that you need to exhaust all the legitimate means first. It isn't a moral absolute like that. It's that you need to if not exhaust, then at least make a serious stab, at the means of acquiring the book which actually reward the author. Partly for moral reasons, yes, but also for practical reasons: if you want the author to write more books, it behooves you to contribute to the magnitude of the author's "sales".

I don't think the author gets a direct reward for buying a second hand book, or much of a financial reward when you borrow a book from the library. But if an author sells really well second hand, that may affect the author's ability to get a new contract. And likely provides at least some degree of egoboo. (I hope others who know more about the technical side of how this works will correct me here.)

#80 ::: JC ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 08:10 PM:

#76: Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to be mysterious. I'm afraid the reason is pretty mundane.

For a while, the prospect of finding something that was both interesting and at my reading level was pretty dire. (This was one of the bad side effects of having speaking and listening skills wildly out of whack with one's reading and writing skills.) The Westing Game was at my reading level, and an unlikely choice for translation. (I was curious what the translator would do with the wordplay.)

Unfortunately, it arrived when I wasn't able to do much with it. So, at some point, I may have to borrow it again. (I'm still curious about the wordplay.)

#81 ::: Adam Lipkin ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 08:20 PM:

Bruce #75:

I'm running the exact same config (although I'm on a regular (amateur?) MacBook, with no problems. Which isn't to say I don't have problems with Firefox (which leaks like a Bush admin official when running Java, Flash, or, well, anything), but ML has never caused me grief with it. What extensions are you running? I'm just using Adblock, Google Toolbar, and TabMix Plus.

#82 ::: Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 08:46 PM:

Paarfi does some wonderful stuffed shirt narration. And I of course howled at the mention of "Lady Tersa" when I came across that reference....

Meanwhile, Michelle Sagara's two in print published-by-Luna novels, Cast in Shadow and Cast in Courtlight (a third will be out in a few weeks, and not having read it I would expect that it would have a similar feel to the others, but one never knows...) feel very much like a cross between Brust's Dragaeara novels and Michelle Sagara-writing-as-Michelle-West novels.

One of the really nice things about the Cast in... books is that the main character and the people she works with, like one another...that tends to be unusual in lots of books. They have character flaws, lots of them (the protagonist's housekeeping is slovenly, the reader meets the character as she's sorting through piles looking for the least unpresentable pair of pants she owns....), but get along (with lots of snarky comments).

#83 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 09:19 PM:

Kate, Avram: I read Taltos first. I didn't find the "how this works" stuff needful.

In fact, I didn't really notice it in Jhereg.

As I said, it's a personal quirk.

#84 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 09:32 PM:

Kate Nepveu #27: Freedom and Necessity with its combination of political intrigue, ancient magic, Hegelian philosophy, and Fred Engels as a major character, struck me as damn near perfectly written for me as a reader.

(Oddly, or perhaps not so oddly, there's also a near-perfect moment for me in Harry Turtledove's How Few Remain when Abraham Lincoln goes into alliance with Friedrich Sorge -- now if only something like that had happened in the real world.)

#85 ::: cleek ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 10:05 PM:

#73 : FF2.0.latest. Windows.

it either locks up completely or crashes. sometimes if it locks and i kill it, then try to restart, i'll get a msg that FF is still running and that i can't start a new instance until the old one goes away.

#75 : yeah, i think it's something in the right sidebar. sometimes i'll get a partial page except for something over there before the trouble starts.

#86 ::: Seth Breidbart ::: (view all by) ::: July 11, 2007, 11:28 PM:

CosmicDog, you could always ask the author (assuming he's still alive).

#87 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 12:19 AM:

Seth # 86

Now that's bloody brilliant. Thank you!

My thought process keeps getting stuck on the publisher retaining the copyright of the work for the life of the copyright. For some reason, no matter how often I am reminded otherwise, I slip back to this error. Did the publishing industry ever work this way, or am I just confusing it with how the motion picture industry works?

With the Internet the way it is, providing such direct communication between strangers, and thereby expanding the social network into a nearly infinite 'web'; getting in contact with any living author is a real possibility. I never considered that before, even though I communicate with John Scalzi (via his blogs & occasional e-mail) all the time.

Strangely thought provoking...

#88 ::: elise ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 12:24 AM:

If you're a really, really good poker player, you could consider getting in a game with Steve and seeing if he'd put up a copy....

#89 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 12:33 AM:

elise @ 88

I was thinking of you today: the LA Times has a recipe for a chocolate souffle torte with minimal flour (just for the pan), from one of the area restaurants. It looks delicious.

#90 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 12:47 AM:

Adam Lipkin @ 81

I've got a fair number of extensions, including Google Toolbar, Adblock, NoScript, Google Notebook, and Session Manager. Most of the rest are normally off sorts of things like development tools and Leet Key.

Oh, and I've got a new behavior this evening. Only with ML, when I refresh a page all the ML content comes up very quickly, and then the browser waits forever with the throbber running and the status line displaying "Transferring data from".

#91 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 01:01 AM:

B. Durbin # 44

In your honor, I've purchased a used hardcover copy of Tam Lin from Amazon marketplace, along with three omnibus editions of Steve's books (from Amazon proper).

I'll let you know if it is of good quality (the book, I mean, not the writing, I'm sure you already know of its quality).

Hmm, "if it is of". How often is it that a proper phrase comes out like that?

#92 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 01:15 AM:

Elise @ 88

An interesting prospect. As a Case Manager for Federal & County cash assistance programs, I've developed quite a powerful BS detector, especially with body language. Yet, I have absolutely no skill in bluffing others in the same way. My eyes and the corner of my mouth always give me away...

I'm losing my ability to deceive, which is ironic, considering I'm a Government Employee. ;)

#93 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 02:47 AM:

CosmicDog @ 92

Government employees aren't required to lie, they just do it for extra style points.

#94 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 05:26 AM:

Bruce @ 93

Well, I have an annual evaluation coming up, so I should find out exactly what the deception standard is for my department. I'm curious to see if my ability to deceive 'Meets the Standard', 'Exceeds the Standard', or 'Does Not Meet the Standard'.

#95 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 06:30 AM:

Inter-Library Loan is capable of getting quite a bit of stuff. That's how I got to read The Whim of the Dragon back in '98 when it was still really rare.

(And I wound up ruining the copy I borrowed! Although it's not like I could have anticipated my apartment building catching fire right then.)

#96 ::: Jo Walton ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 09:00 AM:

Pamela Dean's Tam Lin is in print, from Firebird.

You'll have to walk into the YA section of a bookshop to buy it, but surely that's not an unbearable hardship?

It's in print. Sharyn November reprinted it. You don't have to hunt around for it second hand or scour the library systems of the world. You can have a shiny new copy, with royalties to the author and everything. And it's a terrific book, one of my very favourites, well worth going to a lot of trouble to seek out -- except you don't have to, because it's in print.

#97 ::: John Mark Ockerbloom ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 09:29 AM:

CosmicDog @ 87: I'm told that, in most trade book publishing contracts, the copyright to the book reverts from the publisher to the author after the book goes out of print. (This may vary depending on the type and market of the book.)

So they're often the ones to ask, if you can find them. (And if the book is fairly recent, you often can.)

Depending on their outlook, they may even be amenable, if you ask politely, to have an electronic version of the book *posted* online. After all, if the book is out of print anyway, they're not making royalties on it, and a free online version can boost awareness of the author and their work. (In some cases, this has been shown to increase overall sales not only of the author's books as a whole, but of the very book being posted.) But you do need to ask before posting, if it's still under copyright.

#98 ::: John Stanning ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 09:58 AM:

Bruce #90, and between them provide Javascript that generates all the ads down the right-hand side of the ML page. That happens after all the ML content is displayed. I sometimes get a pause at that point, but I've found that clicking the Stop icon (= pressing Esc key) seems to make it go away. But it may make a difference that I don't have the Flash plug-in in Firefox, as I find Flash a pain in the **** (I revert to IE if I want to view a video). Is it possible that Firefox's 'Adblocker' add-in is hanging up trying to block those ads?

#99 ::: Jenny ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:05 AM:

Y'all have been nominated (she says timidly) for Bloggers for Positive World Change.

#100 ::: Kate Nepveu ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:20 AM:

As our hosts are busy, I will presume to say: publishing contracts do not assign _copyright_ from the author to the publisher. The author retains copyright, which is a bundle of rights include the right to redistribute the work (make copies of it) or to authorize others to do so. In exchange for money, the author authorizes the publisher to redistribute the work.

#101 ::: Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:41 AM:

#99 Jen

Except for TNH and PNH we're all minions in here? [Better than than mignonettes I suppose....]

#88, Elise
The AV of Seth saying "Fish" plays in my head.

#102 ::: amysue ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 11:02 AM:

Sigh. Well, I guess I can wait. Maybe. There is a book coming out next week I need to read with the kids, maybe you could publish it right after that?

#103 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 11:03 AM:

John Stanning @ 98

Is it possible that Firefox's 'Adblocker' add-in is hanging up trying to block those ads?

It's certainly possible, though I don't have this problem on any other site. In any case, I use NoScript to turn off Flash by default in almost all sites (I hate it too; it's a horrible CPU hog, a nasty bunch of memory leaks waiting to happen, and a wart on the ass of progress. Who needs yet another complicated wrapper around streaming video?).

It's also possible that there's some kind of wierd interaction between NoScript and Adblock in this particular situation, but I'm not in the mood to dive into this problem that deep. As you say, most of the problem goes away if you click Stop.

I've said it before, I'll be saying it again and again: these damn innertubes have too many moving parts.

#104 ::: Nomie ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 11:42 AM:

Jo Walton @96 is very right. I found "Tam Lin" at the local Borders&Noble conglomerate, in the YA section. And swiftly carried it home, giggling, because until I'd heard it was coming back in print I'd considered stealing my library's hardcover copy. It is one of my three favorite books ever, and I count it as indirectly responsible for my choice to major in classics and minor in English lit.

[The other two books are "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" and "Good Omens," if you care.]

#105 ::: Rick Owens ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 11:58 AM:

Bruce Cohen @ 103:

Re Flash in browsers - on my home machine I have Firefox as my primary browser and Mozilla as a secondary, and Flash is only installed for Mozilla, because of the headaches you're talking about. Having to copy and paste a URL to watch Flash videos has been a small price to pay for avoiding flash ads and crashes while I browse.

Been a few years since the last time I read the Vlad series - sounds like 'tis time to dig 'em out again!

#106 ::: John Mark Ockerbloom ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 02:19 PM:

I see my comment (#97) about writers giving the green light to free online versions immediately followed a comment by one of the writers who has done just that for one of her books. Thank you, Jo Walton!

And thanks also go out to Will Shetterly, who I see has just posted the text of both Dogland, *and* its recently released sequel The Gospel of the Knife! Thank you, Will Shetterly!

(I've already listed Jo's book on my site, and will be listing Will's two today. And if you'd rather read their stuff in a nicely portable printed package instead of scrolling down a browser window, you can buy copies too...)

#107 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 02:31 PM:

Bruce: In my gov't job, lying is specifically part of the job description.

But it's a special case.

#108 ::: Seth Breidbart ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 02:39 PM:

I suggested asking the author because the original question was about ethics. Even if the publisher still has exclusive use of the copyright (maybe the reversion clause requires a year out of print, maybe the publisher is playing games claiming the book is "out of stock" but still in print, maybe the contract doesn't have a reversion clause) I'd say that the author's permission makes copying ethical.

#109 ::: JBWoodford ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 03:12 PM:

#107 Terry Karney: But it's a special case.

You would say that, wouldn't you?


#110 ::: Bruce Cohen, SpeakerToManagers ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 03:24 PM:

Terry. I hope that doesn't mean you're barred from collecting style points.

#111 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 03:27 PM:

Paula 101: No, Avram and Jim are minions. We're just commenters.

Hey, if Jim wears a silver cord around his head, is he a filleted minion?

(I thought they had to have at least 10 minions...)

#112 ::: Tucker ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 04:30 PM:

TexAnne @ 35:
Brokedown Palace is the same story as The Sun etc.

Er. Um. Are you sure you aren't confusing Brokedown Palace with The Gypsy (co-written with Megan "Robin Hobb" Lindholm)? Because, I mean, I guess I can see how you get from SM&S to BP, if I squint a little bit, but Gypsy uses the framing story from SM&S in its own awesome way.

#113 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 08:40 PM:

Tucker, 112: Nope, I said that on purpose. The plots are different, but the underlying story is about how to make art even when things are falling down around your ears.

#114 ::: Spherical Time ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 09:28 PM:


I'm very much looking forward to it.

#115 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:09 PM:

JMO @ #106: Thank you! I loved Dogland and had no idea there was a sequel coming out.

On a semi-related note, can anyone point me to a list of all the titles (in and out of print) in the Bordertown series? I have read a few and I know there are some I've missed, but not knowing the titles and authors makes it difficult to search for them.

#111 Xopher, no, it's that it takes 10 of us to equal a minion.

#116 ::: Tucker ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:11 PM:

TexAnne @ 113: Okay. Not a comparison I'd have ever made, but now that you've spelled it out I can see it. Although I guess I still think of Brokedown Palace as more about the importance of doing /anything/ even when etc.

Hrm. Maybe it's time to reread that one.

#117 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:11 PM:

JMO @ #106: Thank you! I loved Dogland and had no idea there was a sequel coming out.

On a semi-related note, can anyone point me to a list of all the titles (in and out of print) in the Bordertown series? I have read a few and I know there are some I've missed, but not knowing the titles and authors makes it difficult to search for them.

#111 Xopher, no, it's that it takes 10 of us to equal a minion.

#118 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:13 PM:

Whoops, sorry for the double post.

#119 ::: Owlmirror ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:48 PM:

Brokedown Palace is about revolution, not art per se.

There are, I think, more than a few interesting parallels between The Gypsy and The Wizard of the Pigeons.

#120 ::: Owlmirror ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 10:56 PM:

Oh, and regarding Bordertown — look here at Terri Windling's page:

#121 ::: Julie L. ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 11:38 PM:

wrt bookhunting, I've found to be an excellent meta-searcher-- it combs through Alibris, Abebooks, individual sellers on Amazon, and various other databases as well, and serves up the results in a single re-sortable list. However, for certain rarities, I've had much more affordable results from browsing my favorite local used-bookstore, where (frex) I finally found one of Michael Kurland's "Lord Darcy" sequels; it's a nice enough book, but I'm just as glad that I paid $2 for it instead of $15+shipping, which was the best AddAll could offer.

#122 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: July 12, 2007, 11:53 PM:

JBWoodford: Not only would I, I do.

Bruce: Oh no, because careful shading of the truth, even to believable falsehood, is part of the job description, style is judged, and points are something dedicated practitioners compete for.

I've gotten lots of style points... the most memorable (in training, where I was the source), "one moment I was talkingt Sergeant Karney, and the next moment I was talking to a screaming woman."

He had a bad day.

#123 ::: Don Fitch ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 12:28 AM:

62 CosmicDog

Please rethink (and probably I'll get advised to do that, also).

As I look at it: If you have to pay money for the illegal download, that would encourage & support piracy, and be Evil

If the book is OP and no new copy is to be found, buying a used one, or reading a library copy, would have about the same effect as reading a free illegal download -- the author would get nothing.

If the author is still alive, and you can uncover a snail-mail address, sending a couple of dollars (estimated Royalty) & an explanatory note would not be amiss. (I suppose the original publisher would forward an enclosed, stamped, sealed, evelope with the author's name on it, but for this you might consider a check, rather than cash.)

(I happen to have a half-formed Opinion that Copyright ought to end with an author's death, but milage varies wildly on this point.)

#124 ::: JenK ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 10:00 AM:

Re: TexAnne 35 & 113, JenniferBarber 63, Tucker 112 & 116, Owlmirror 119
"Brokedown Palace is about the relationship between creation to destruction, and under what circumstances one ought to be willing to destroy in order to create, in spite of the inevitabe pain that accompanies destruction." From Mr. Brust's LJ, May 2007.
He also comments that it's not necessary for the reader to get the same thing out of it as he did.
If you're looking for a parallel (for content, not writing style) try Neil Gaiman's Sandman. In an author's note Mr. Gaiman explains Dream's journey in very similiar terms.

#125 ::: JenK ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 10:00 AM:

Re: TexAnne 35 & 113, JenniferBarber 63, Tucker 112 & 116, Owlmirror 119
"Brokedown Palace is about the relationship between creation to destruction, and under what circumstances one ought to be willing to destroy in order to create, in spite of the inevitabe pain that accompanies destruction." From Mr. Brust's LJ, May 2007.
He also comments that it's not necessary for the reader to get the same thing out of it as he did.
If you're looking for a parallel (for content, not writing style) try Neil Gaiman's Sandman. In an author's note Mr. Gaiman explains Dream's journey in very similiar terms.

#126 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 10:07 AM:

Owlmirror @ #120: Thank you! Off to abebooks!

#127 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 02:53 PM:

Owlmirror @ #120, it's an odd coincidence that Haight-Ashbury is mentioned in the description found at Windling's page: I just picked up a copy of Rolling Stone's 40th anniversary edition. The Haight is fairly prominently mentioned, as one might expect.

#128 ::: Magenta Griffith ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 03:28 PM:

On finding Brust and other OOP books:

One reason to get books through inter-library loan is that some libraries, if they have the budget, purchase books requested ILL, especially if more than one person requests a given title in a year. The big caveat, these days, is "if they have the budget". It also means that I usually don't have to pay to read it, or find a place to store it.

If you can't get it ILL, I would recommend It's a compilation site that lists books from other sites, and patches you through to order. I've found prices there lower than other places; Amazon seems to be high, and Alibris sometimes even higher. There are also book lending sites, but I don't know much about them.

#129 ::: Carol Maltby ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 04:47 PM:

Re: Julie L. #121

As a bookseller, I'll second the recommendation of It's usually the best source out there for obscure books.

I want to put in a plea for the humble used and rare book sellers. While the internet has made it a buyer's market for used and rare books, it's been devastating for the professional used and rare book dealers, especially those who are stuck paying rent on bookstores while people working out of their spare bedrooms undersell them. Experienced booksellers who have been successful in the trade for decades are dropping out in massive numbers. I've picked up books that I've never seen or heard of in 30 years in the trade, only to find 80 copies listed online at about $4 each.

When you are buying a book online, try to factor in the bookseller, and support those booksellers who seem to know their books, especially in specific fields. On Amazon, don't go for the anonymous-sounding firm which is trying to beat everyone down by a penny, with a rating that suggests that 15% of their transactions have been unsatisfying. On AddAll or some of the other book search sites, see how much effort has been put into cataloguing. Try to find the sort of bookseller who loves the kind of books you do, because it's that bookseller who will be getting a place in line at 6AM for a big used book sale, where they'll be your eyes and ears. Support a bookseller who loves and knows books, not some guy with a cellphone and a handheld scanner who checks ISBNs and sees if they are rated rare enough on Amazon rankings.

#130 ::: Lexica ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 05:02 PM:

I recently installed a nifty Firefox extension called Book Burro. When it "senses" that you're looking at a book (their words), it automatically checks whether it's available at various online booksellers and (I love this part) will check WorldCat to see if any of the libraries near you have it.

For the booksellers it tells you what their price for the book is, and for the libraries it tells you how far they are from the zip code you entered in the preferences.

#131 ::: Epacris ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 05:59 PM:

JBWoodford @ 109, I believe the correct tag for use of that phrase is [mrd][/mrd], unless I misunderstand you.

On copyright & libraries in Australia, I have looked quickly at the information at, but what I've found is mostly about copying. I am, however, under the impression that a fee or royalty of some kind is paid by Australian libraries when a work is borrowed from them. My memory is that the money goes to a special body which disburses the funds to the publishers or authors. So requests to borrow a work from your library may not just encourage it to buy a copy, but more directly benefit its author. There may be similar regulations in other countries around the world.

#132 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 13, 2007, 09:47 PM:

Carol @ 129

The sad fact is that there is only one used bookstore in my community, unless the others are hiding... When I was kid there were all kinds of bookstores and hobby shops. Then I moved to San Francisco and got really spoiled with access to books and toys, well pretty much anything. Then I moved back to the valley and discovered that Wal-Mart, Borders, and Barnes&Noble had moved into town and all the small shops had pretty much disappeared. I appreciate the convenience of Wal-Mart and the such, but it makes me sad and frustrated at the same time. I fear that one day I'll be saying, "We used to have a culture, I miss it."

Thanks for the suggestions on how to find and support used book sellers online.

#133 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: July 14, 2007, 12:03 AM:

#43: nit: IIRC, Jack of Kinrowan is a duobus of Jack, the Giant Killer and Drink Down the Moon.

JMO@97: cf Seth's; AIHBT, for that reason it has been common for publishers to claim a book was still in print long after they would refuse orders for it from retailers. (Yes, it's a sore point; I paid way too much for an original The Thirteen Clocks, after begging for years and just before it was reissued.)

#134 ::: Dave Luckett ::: (view all by) ::: July 14, 2007, 12:28 AM:

Epaccris @ 131, I think you may be referring to the Public Lending Right, which pays authors a cent or so for every book of theirs held in public libraries throughout the Commonwealth. It is enough to raise me all the way from destitution to pauperism.

#135 ::: Jesse ::: (view all by) ::: July 14, 2007, 01:00 AM:

Almost as good - I got Territory in the mail yesterday.

The book was read in a seven hour marathon right after the package was opened. Ah, there's nothing like hitting the sack with the "Emma Bull" glow still in full force. I have high hopes for the promised sequel(!)

I have to get Gospel of the Knife next - thanks for the heads up!

#136 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: July 14, 2007, 02:42 AM:

CHip @ #133, the same thing just happened to me. A month or two ago I bought a trade PB copy of Miles Errant in order to get Mirror Dance and fill out the collection, getting two stories I already had along with it. Yesterday I discovered that Mirror Dance has just been re-released as an MMP, so now I have a $14 book which doesn't fit my shelves very well and has duplicate material within. Had I known that it would soon be out again as a single volume I would have waited and paid $6.99 or $7.99 for it by itself.


#137 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: July 14, 2007, 01:41 PM:

I second the suggestion of talking to the author, for several reasons, also touching on Individ-ewe-al's comment #79.

When I emailed Pamela Dean years back about the demand for The Whim of the Dragon, I don't think she had realized until then how much used copies were going for - over $100 for beat-up paperbacks, back then - and how many people had read the first two volumes of the trilogy and then ended up "stuck". In the end the whole trilogy has been reprinted and is no longer hard to find.

#138 ::: Christopher Davis ::: (view all by) ::: July 15, 2007, 01:05 AM:

I'm reminded of Neal Stephenson's change in attitude to his The Big U. Originally, he wanted to leave it out of print since he wasn't very happy with it; when used copies were going for big bucks on eBay, however, he said something to the effect of "if people are going to read it and be disappointed, I would at least prefer they waste less money".

#139 ::: CosmicDog ::: (view all by) ::: July 16, 2007, 10:38 PM:

I mentioned in comment # 91 that I ordered a hard cover edition of Tam Lin from Amazon marketplace. Well, what I found in the mail was a First Edition Hardcover from 1991 in Very Good condition (at least). Did I mention that I bought it for $5? I think I scored a treasure on more than one account.

#140 ::: Mary Dell ::: (view all by) ::: July 20, 2007, 04:03 PM:

Ooo, Tam Lin is back in print? [goes to amazon, tosses into shopping list] Yay, now I can give copies to people. I never lend my copy to anyone because I don't want to lose it - it's a great book and my copy has the Thomas Canty cover...which is prettier than the new cover, fo' shizzle.

#141 ::: Ron ::: (view all by) ::: July 21, 2007, 05:58 PM:

treasure the secret hope that he will one day write a cookbook

Lila: You're not alone!

Now, where can I find some langos in the San Francisco bay area?

#142 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: July 30, 2007, 01:14 AM:

I just finished The Tombs of Atuan and picked up Jhereg to glance at while waiting for the oven to cook dinner.

That was a mistake. I may have to put The Farthest Shore and Tehanu on the back burner till I finish Jhereg. It is lol-funny. I'm getting a Glory Road feeling, but maybe that's because it's told in first person.

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