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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #1 from Jim Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from Jim Macdonald on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>The book is entirely in verse, with each character having his or her own poetic style.</p>

<p>We have a graphic novel.</p>

<p>This is the limerick that appears in the very first square caption:</p>

<p>There once was a space-going squid<br />
Who said, "For a song--or a quid--<br />
I'll fly to the stars<br />
Where you find great gay bars...."<br />
And that's what, precisely, she did.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  5:59 PM by Jim Macdonald</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #2 from Jim Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from Jim Macdonald on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Here's the cover:</p>

<p>A giant bio-engineered squid is the gasbag of a zeppelin moored to a mast in a futuristic New York City skyline (played by Toronto), the sort of futuristic that you'd see on a 19th century pulp-novel cover (for this is an alternate history).   The buildings all have spiral ramps around the outside.</p>

<p>The zeppelin-squid is rainbow colored (to show its sexual orientation), though in the book it's only referred to as "iridescent."</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  6:06 PM by Jim Macdonald</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #3 from Margaret Organ-Kean</title>
         <description>comment from Margaret Organ-Kean on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Do the cover, or interiors, well enough and you might be able to squeeze a Chesley in there as well.  And publication in the other Spectrum.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  6:12 PM by Margaret Organ-Kean</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #4 from Clifton Royston</title>
         <description>comment from Clifton Royston on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>You guys are teh awesome.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  6:13 PM by Clifton Royston</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #5 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>But where are the insects (hexapoda), Jim?</p>

<p>A polypus* launched into space<br />
with a gigantic grin on its face<br />
announced 'To the stars<br />
in my suspended cars!<br />
I'll ensure Making Light wins the race.'</p>

<p><br />
*Thank you, David Goldfarb.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  6:24 PM by Fragano Ledgister</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #6 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I'm writing from Atlanta in shock,<br />
my spaceship's just out of its dock,<br />
but a fellow named Jim<br />
whose light is not dim<br />
has just christened it 'Four O'Clock'.*</p>

<p>I knew I was just on the brink<br />
of transilience; yet without pause to think<br />
Teresa declared<br />
what we all wanted aired<br />
that now it was time for a drink.</p>

<p>All you people who voyage in space<br />
know matters have their proper place;<br />
before the first call<br />
up in Montreal<br />
the order is 'splice the mainbrace'.</p>

<p>I got the contract -- lowest bid --<br />
but one simple fact I had hid.<br />
Though we were all staunch<br />
about the great launch,<br />
the one who got drunk was the squid.</p>

<p><br />
* Yes, I misread the header and thought '16h00' was part of the title....</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  6:33 PM by Fragano Ledgister</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #7 from Diatryma</title>
         <description>comment from Diatryma on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>It is not merely a generic Squid; it must be Vampyroteuthis infernalis.  Perhaps with a sperm packet from her brother or other meaningful male, which must be delivered to a suitable female squid-- squide, because then it looks sort of French and will get the Kushiel vote-- thus making her symbolically male.  </p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #8 from albatross</title>
         <description>comment from albatross on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>And the whole story centers around an alternative timeline Alan Turing (positive gay character) who secretly is also black, but passing (positive character of color).  And he's also secretly an insect (hexapedia).  In fact, he's secretly a mutant enormous mosquito (vampire).  And he makes a fortune designing free-market codebreaking computers to sell to His Majesty's Anarchist Non-Government (libertarianism).  Which eventually become important in the fight against the giant bioengineered squid.  (Opportunity for Mary Dell's photoshop magic.)  </p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  6:51 PM by albatross</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #9 from Tansy Rayner Roberts</title>
         <description>comment from Tansy Rayner Roberts on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>If you want your novel to be eligible for the Aurealis (and who doesn't???) it would have to be authored by:</p>

<p>a) An Australian (not necessarily living in Australia)<br />
or<br />
b) A non-Australian who has lived in Australia for some time and looks to be a fixture (eg. Jack Dann)<br />
or<br />
c) A non-Australian who spends a significant amount of time living in Australia (eg. Scott Westerfeld)</p>

<p>With b) or c) it helps if they are married to an Australian!</p>

<p>Cheers,<br />
Tansy</p>

<p>PS: It doesn't have to be published in Australia</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #10 from Cass R</title>
         <description>comment from Cass R on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Where's the sodomy? And the dinosaurs?</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  7:28 PM by Cass R</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #11 from Konrad</title>
         <description>comment from Konrad on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Wasn't each entry<br />
Supposed to be different<br />
Type of poetry?</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  7:33 PM by Konrad</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #12 from Edward Oleander</title>
         <description>comment from Edward Oleander on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Poor Half-blood Vampyre<br />
A squid of passing gayness<br />
Clash in futures past</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  7:46 PM by Edward Oleander</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #13 from Jeffrey Smith</title>
         <description>comment from Jeffrey Smith on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Since when is someone secretly-black-but passing-as-white a "positive character of color"? Just because he's a vampire insect?</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  7:52 PM by Jeffrey Smith</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #14 from Emma</title>
         <description>comment from Emma on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Oh, spendid! <i>Bone Dance</i> is as close as I'll ever come, and it falls far, far short of these high standards. Someone had better accept the challenge, because I long to see the results.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  8:13 PM by Emma</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #15 from Adam Lipkin</title>
         <description>comment from Adam Lipkin on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Cass (#10):</p>

<p>They could be anywhere in the book. But what matters is that they're <i>together</i>.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  8:31 PM by Adam Lipkin</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #16 from Daniel</title>
         <description>comment from Daniel on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Squid<br />
Goes<br />
To space:<br />
Picture it!<br />
All the tentacles,<br />
Sparkling, iridescent; so gay!</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  8:40 PM by Daniel</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #17 from Dan Layman-Kennedy</title>
         <description>comment from Dan Layman-Kennedy on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>When your fandom is up to their necks<br />
In airships and squids and gay sex,<br />
For a book that puts geeks<br />
In convulsions for weeks<br />
You had better compose it in Hex.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  8:54 PM by Dan Layman-Kennedy</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #18 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Cover now uploaded; original post amended to link to it.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  9:19 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #19 from Cheryl</title>
         <description>comment from Cheryl on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>The squid, they said,<br />
Was blue, not red,<br />
And therefore not up to snuff.</p>

<p>We knew, instead,<br />
That squid was well-bred,<br />
And always exceedingly tough.</p>

<p>The vampire he wooed,<br />
Our squid, and pursued,<br />
Her blood with unflagging fervor,</p>

<p>But the squid did collude,<br />
With others more shrewd,<br />
To foil the vampire's endeavor.</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #20 from Mary Dell</title>
         <description>comment from Mary Dell on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>While waiting for Jim's cover to be uploaded, I couldn't resist throwing together a quick mashup:  <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/marydell/1352408249/" rel="nofollow">Squid Zeppelin</a>. </p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  9:37 PM by Mary Dell</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #21 from Jim Kiley</title>
         <description>comment from Jim Kiley on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Now I know what I'm doing during nanowrimo.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007  9:42 PM by Jim Kiley</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #22 from Lila</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Actually, having the squid be <a href="http://www.tolweb.org/Vampyroteuthis_infernalis" rel="nofollow">Vampyroteuthis infernalis</a> ("the vampire squid from hell", an actual species--it can turn inside out to reveal that its tentacles are lined with teeth) should cover the vampire requirement; and like most squids <i>V. infernalis</i> can change color.</p>
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         <description>comment from Jim Macdonald on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>The book (a first novel!) is to be written by an Australian with landed immigrant status in Canada.</p>

<p>The squid (bioengineered!) is what sucks down the Titanic (alternate history), not the iceberg that everyone thinks.  The purpose of this was to take Captain Smith to the undersea Libertarian paradise (Atlantis) settled by Canadians.</p>

<p>Meanwhile, aboard the squid, in the rear of the gondola you find a dark eidolon (the horror!).  Every time a crewperson visits the Eidolon, on passing the threshold he or she switches either sex or gender.</p>

<p>Except Fredo.</p>

<p>Fredo is called back just at the threshold and half-switches.  Thereafter, every time he/she passes that threshold, he/she still switches, only it's right for left.</p>

<p>This state of affairs lasts until the morning Fredo is found dead on the deck, totally exsanguinated.  Vampires!  Hyperspacial vampires.  Like the crew of the squid they too are seeking the Holy Grail....<br />
</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #24 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Oh, the thing about the song:  This society's economic system is based on sound currency.  Therefore, the unit of exchange is the song.</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007 10:10 PM by Jim Macdonald</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #25 from Diatryma</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>If it's an 18-gun squid, you might be able to fake your way into Napoleonic, thus bringing in another set of rabid fans.  </p>

<p>I am not going to write crossover fanfic for two scenarios that do not exist.  Remind me of this.</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #26 from albatross</title>
         <description>comment from albatross on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Higgledy-piggledy <br />
Doc Alan Turing as<br />
black, gay, mathematical<br />
genius vampire</p>

<p>often he wondered with<br />
hexapod frankness "will<br />
this tape and state machine<br />
let me retire?"</p>

<p><br />
</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #27 from Lila</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Jim @ #24, hence the expression, "you can get it for a song".</p>
	 <p>Posted September  9, 2007 10:34 PM by Lila</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #28 from albatross</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Lila #27:</p>

<p>Their currency is based on a highly secure mechanism for transforming your private song (which only you know) into a public song (which you can tell everyone).  The transformation uses very bad singers.  That's right--it's a public off-key system.  </p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #29 from Scott Spiegelberg</title>
         <description>comment from Scott Spiegelberg on  9.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Not to rain on the parade of squids, but how does a first-time author qualify to be a member of SWFA?  </p>

<p>Quibbling aside, the squid ends up being a metaphor for the grasping materialism encouraged by the economic class system.</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #30 from Mary Dell</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>albatross @#28:  <i>transforming your private song (which only you know) into a public song (which you can tell everyone)</i></p>

<p>Sounds like a call for piracy prevention!  RIAA to the rieescue!</p>

<p>Scott Spiegelberg @#29::</p>

<p><i>Not to rain on the parade of squids, but how does a first-time author qualify to be a member of SWFA? </i></p>

<p>The first three chapters are sold as individual short stories to SFWA-approved markets, which gets the author into SFWA, and helps hir land an agent and a deal for the completed novel.<br />
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #31 from Gursky</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>It whispered "Just kiss me you fool",<br />
And outstretched an engorged <em>tentacule</em>.<br />
So rather than speak<br />
I bussed its great beak<br />
The ruler of steam-powered Thule</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Not surprising about the song currency. Spaceborne squid use hyperspace waveforms to communicate, and the same means to manipulate intrastellar fusion reactions to provide the pulse radiation that they require to move from star to star on the solar winds. The exact form and sequence of the hyperspace wave required varies from star to star and over time, and according to the vector in n-space. The songs therefore control a scarce resource, so they can be traded as currency, but they're also high art. </p>

<p>Humans call it "the singing of the stars", and there has recently been a vogue for translating the lyrics and rendering the wave forms into a (limited and approximate) analogue in sound. The results are usually meaningless to humans, but when has that ever stopped an artistic movement?  </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Dave @ 32</p>

<p>Does that mean we can add spaceborne whales too? And space sharks?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>But, soft! what squid through yonder zeppelin breaks?<br />
Ay, what rough beast? For Jeanne de Gaulte is my son--<br />
Arise, my son; infernokrush the moon<br />
That burns our bat-wings brown as a dead leaf.<br />
Out, out, brief candle, and out with you, damned Spot!<br />
(For such is named our dear cephalopod,<br />
Although less dear when dripping on our floor.)<br />
The lunar overlords are sick and green;<br />
They all are bourgeois scum. So cast them off!<br />
And we shall rise, we bat-folk and our squids,<br />
Above those damp amphibian peons!<br />
And then you, Jeanne, can find your lady's grave<br />
To get genetic samples, make fresh clones<br />
And live an unstain'd wife with your sweet love.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I think the Atlantean libertarians were also an all-female parthenogenetic society that included many women of color.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007 12:13 AM by Christopher Davis</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>albatross @ 28: In an alternate universe, I just spewed coffee out my nose and all over my bio-computer (caffeine improves processor speed!), but also utterly ruining my <em>fabulous</em> make-up.</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #37 from Joel Polowin</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>IIRC, the space squid was to originate in a hard-SF universe.  But after the tragic death of its beloved companion, it would travel through a gate to the Witch World, backward in time, whence it would attempt to change history to prevent the incident.</p>

<p>(Hmm.  If the death was a suicide, and the story was done in graphical format, it could be an extra-strong contender for the Squiddy Awards.)<br />
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #38 from Mike Scott</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>You might want to add "Seiun" to your spelling reference.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007 12:44 AM by Mike Scott</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #39 from Twirlip of the Mists</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Thank you for your positive review of my work. Since my network connection is slow and expensive, I don't often partake in full sensory interface, and sometimes miss important messages. However, my work investigates the important influence of of the congruence of hexapodia and the regulatory amiphlage that precedes ablative dissonance, and the role of unisexuality as a transliteration method. I'm proud and humbled that I have won all those awards at once - it give me hope that we will intubulate further with the rest of the galaxy soon.</p>

<p>Emplazigotic returns,</p>

<p>Twirlip</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>The squid is bio-engineered (hard science content!), and was supposed to be straight, but turned out otherwise. Attached to the squid is a gondola which is actually the Holy Grail. The evil government bureaucrats are pursuing in a rocketship shaped like a Buick hood ornament, which keeps trying to mate with the gondola.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Twirlip, welcome!  Now behave yourself, or we'll delete all your sub-Planck diacritical gestures.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007 12:58 AM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #42 from Lenny Bailes</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>The alien squid's vampiric nature confounds and awes its peers, who share membership in a species with five sexes. Oppressed in our world for its lifestyle preferences and economic philosophy, the squid quests for the Holy Grail -- in order to open a magic doorway into the next universe (where it plans to set up a parthogenetic colony of libertarians).</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #43 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I'd like to be under the sea <br />
In an octopus' garden in the shade <br />
He'd let us in, knows where we've been <br />
In his octopus' garden in the shade</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #44 from Twirlip of the Mists</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Apologies if my diacritics decohered before it was welcome - as mentioned, my connection to the net is slow, and some intramessage loss is statistically slominate, if not reempathized coherently at critical graph junctures.</p>

<p>OK, I'll stop now. In other news, it seems that aside from the publishing schedule (which I really know nothing about, so can't say) Peter Watts' Blindsight seems to actually hit a lot of these themes.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Patrick @ 41... <i>we'll delete all your sub-Planck diacritical gestures</i></p>

<p>Venturing into Stephen Baxter territory... Maybe the gondola-squids are microscopic creatures engineered to serve as transports inside a neutron star for equally miniaturized humans, some of whom have turned to piracy and who make their captives walk the sub-Planck.</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #46 from Twirlip of the Mists</title>
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         <content:encoded><p><i>Maybe the gondola-squids are microscopic creatures engineered to serve as transports inside a neutron star for equally miniaturized humans, some of whom have turned to piracy and who make their captives walk the sub-Planck.</i></p>

<p>Ohh... I see room for a crossover/collaboration with Egan - political considerations cause some of the tiny pirates to use some other class of tiny pirates as experimental subjects involving a black hole, a time scale so short that it is hard to image (alternately, an art project lasting until the heat death), and interpersonal conflict of the sort that goes on when one person in a family gets too in to renfests.</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #47 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Serge,</p>

<p>And these subminiature humans (sub-humans for short?) keep talking birds which they use to send messages.  Unfortunately, some of the outlaw humans are allergic to the birds causing they to reject parrotcy.<br />
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         <content:encoded><p>Nicely done, Mary Dell, I like the steampunk background.</p>

<p>Patrick, where did you put the link to Jim's cover?  I must be very tired, because I don't see it anywhere.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>As to membership in SFWA--as soon as contract was signed, the new author could join. But of course it would be two years later (at best) when a graphic novel would come out. Plenty of time to make friends (blurbs) AND enemies (vilification) in SFWA.</p>

<p>And since squids squirt dark ink--even in space--we have our darkness factor. Hermphroditic, color (or colour) changing.</p>

<p>Here is my homage to William Carlos Williams for the book. It is from the surprise villain, who used to be the hero/heroine's best friend.</p>

<p>This is just to say<br />
I have taken the eggsac<br />
from under your bed.</p>

<p>Yes, you were probably<br />
saving it for your own<br />
post-history.</p>

<p>Forgive me<br />
but it was cold and plummy,<br />
and I was that hungry.</p>

<p>Jane</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>It's far too late at night for me to check, but couldn't a single book with multiple authors win every award?  A team could be put together to fulfill eligibility.  And William Gibson would have to be on that team.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p><a href="http://speakertomanagers.googlepages.com/picturesofunrealworlds" rel="nofollow">Here's a mockup of the cover</a>, using an image of Toronto I grabbed from Google Earth, composed with a line drawing of a squid in Painter. I was hoping to see Jim's cover before I posted this, mostly so I could decide not to post it if I  was too embarrassed by the relative clunkiness of my version, but it's late, and I have to quit now.  FWIW.</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #52 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>A scene from a very graphic novel.</p>

<p><br />
"My God! Cynthia, you are naked!"</p>

<p>Lady Cynthia Timebinder stood defiantly in the centre of the cabin, making no effort to hide her voluptuous curves, and tossed her flaming red hair. "It is necessity that drives me," she declared. "Bruce, we are being pursued by a pod of wild space squids, and the Captain has instructed me that this is preferable to having my clothes torn from my body when the psychic emanations of their lust overwhelm all on board."</p>

<p>Bruce twirled his moustache in momentary thought. "Cynthia, while I appreciate the economic logic of the proposal, there is an untutored part of my mind, still shackled by the past, which balks at the conclusion."</p>

<p>"Oh my love!" Cynthia did not so much step forward as bounce. Clutching Bruce to her bosom, she kissed him with a frantic enmthusiasm. "Do you not feel it? Why, the Navigator, who is Psensitive, is already rogering the cabin-boy."</p>

<p>"But I thought the cabin-boy was the disguised, under-age, half-sister of my valet, the product of an indiscreet liaison between my father's butler and a second under-cook in New Orleans."</p>

<p>"The Navigator is in no state to notice, and it would in any case be immaterial to a squid. Hurry, Bruce, lest your hesitation give some opening for undirected excess to overwhelm you."</p>

<p>Too late! From the cabin door a rough voice declared, "Get your kit off, lad! You're pulled!"</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>It surprises ne that nobody at a Farthing Party though of adding a murder mystery, so rendering the work eligible for an Edgar.<br />
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         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>The Edgar?  That would be <em>silly</em>.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007  5:40 AM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden</p></content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>#48, Bruce Speaker, Cohen to Managers: <em>"Patrick, where did you put the link to Jim's cover? I must be very tired, because I don't see it anywhere."</em></p>

<p>Our fault.  Teresa accidentally overwrote the edited post with a previous version.  The link is back, from the words "drew a cover" in the original post.</p>
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         <description>comment from Del on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>What about the Penicillin Award, for the book that's got everything? </p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007  6:29 AM by Del</p></content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p><i>A giant squid arrived here to explore<br />
this planet full of bipeds, yet it knew<br />
already something revealed but to few:<br />
there would be carnivals of blood and gore<br />
and elder beings would arise. A score<br />
of insane prophets laid it all in view,<br />
that there would come a day when Cthulhu slew<br />
all humans and restored what was before.<br />
Now we, the fortunate, on the squid-ship<br />
are set to voyage to an eldritch place.<br />
We are the passengers of cuttle-fish<br />
whose dark existence was but now a blip,<br />
still we must venture out into deep space<br />
where we will be the ones upon the dish.</i></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>The work was [pirated/released under its CC license]* onto Scribd.  [Un/fortunately]*, it contained the following line of dialogue:</p>

<p>"Seeing as I'm over the age of consent, I think you're out of line to tell me I can't sleep with that squid."</p>

<p>After being despaced and de-punctuated, this yielded the following string:</p>

<p>SEEING<strong>ASIMOV</strong>ERTHEAGE...</p>

<p>It was therefore subject to a DMCA takedown notice.</p>

<p>-----<br />
* Delete as appropriate - I don't recall seeing anything about its copyright status...a sinister omission.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Not entirely coincidentally, it was at Saturday night's music session that I realized that the lyrics of the trad classic <a href="http://www.lyricsdownload.com/gospel-angel-band-lyrics.html" rel="nofollow">"Angel Band"</a> would require only a couple of touchups and some strategically-deployed italics to be a Lovecraft story.<blockquote><em>"The Holy Ones! Behold! They come! I hear the sound of...wings!"</em></blockquote>Ia, Ia, Shub-Etcetera.  And so forth.<p></p></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Patrick said, "The Edgar? That would be <i>silly</i>."</p>

<p>Your humble correspondent, while conceding the erpertise of a Hugo-winning Editor, ventures toi suggest that past events hereabouts do not indicate that silliness need be an obstacle.</p>

<p>(looks at notes...)</p>

<p>Now why did I coloue the space squids gold, bronze, green, and brown?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Makes note to use "as I'm over" as many times as possible...</p>

<p>abi, did you put that in the wrong comment thread?<br />
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         <content:encoded><p>Now that Patrick has brought Lovecraft into the plot, how about adding some Ayn Rand? And a pinch of John Norman?</p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007  7:54 AM by Serge</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Serge #62: Not to mention....</p>

<p>Perry Rhodan took an axe<br />
and gave his planet forty whacks;<br />
when he saw what they had done<br />
he gave his authors forty-one.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Jim Macdonald (#24): <i>Oh, the thing about the song: This society's economic system is based on sound currency. Therefore, the unit of exchange is the song.</i></p>

<p>Which is why the book is written in verses: the book itself is instrumental to the plot, the readers realising at the end of the book that the deflation their reading caused is what forced the squids's time-looped invasion in the first place.<br />
And the vampires actually are trying to save their natural cephalopodan enemies by terminating the in-story book readers, for such is the only way to the Graal.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Lady Cynthia yawned delicately. "Bruce, the space squids have gone. You can stop quoting John Norman as though you believe him."</p>

<p>Bruce glared at her. "On your knees, you ungrateful <i>Kajira</i>!"</p>

<p>There was a noise not unlike a large frying pan striking a balk of timber. Bruce crumpled, in a manner that would have been wholly unappropriate to the aforementioned balk of timber. The cabin-boy, a handsome dusky-skinned lad, placed the cast-iron frying pan on the occasional table. "Will that be all, Ma'am."</p>

<p>"Pray assist me with this gown, and then call for Mr. Bruce's valet. And well done."</p>

<p>"Thank you, Ma'am!"</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>RE: #27:</p>

<p>As I recall, it WAS an eighteen-gun squid.</p>

<p>Modified.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>RE: #27:</p>

<p>As I recall, it WAS an eighteen-gun squid.</p>

<p>Modified.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>abi @58: "The work was [pirated/released under its CC license]"</p>

<p>Is there an award for CC licensed novels?  And if not, why not?</p>

<p>albatross @28: "Their currency is based on a highly secure mechanism for transforming your private song (which only you know) into a public song (which you can tell everyone). The transformation uses very bad singers. That's right--it's a public off-key system."</p>

<p>It's a little more involved than that.  Currency exchanges could originally be performed in a building that contained the remains of dead relatives.  It was a public off-key crypt system.</p>

<p>But this became unweildly, and now a drawing of the building is generally considered acceptable.  It's a public off-key crypt-graphic system.<br />
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         <content:encoded><p>Jules @ 68</p>

<p>And since the identifying tags for the bodies are attached to the most conventient place on the feet, it's a public off-key crypt-toe-graphic system. <br />
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	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007  9:39 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Has anyone told PZ Myers about this thread? </p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007  9:51 AM by Jon Meltzer</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #71 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>The undersea Canadian lesbian libertarians are attempting to build a perfect society based entirely on the works of Ayn Rand.</p>

<p>When Captain Smith (of RMS Titanic) is brought into that society, however, his natural male dominance (and penchant for iambic pentameter) lead to two or three chapters that would make John Norman blush in shame (all in a way that is not inappropriate for younger readers).</p>

<p>The author (an Australian of color with landed immigrant status in Canada, at the time of the book's release living in the Pacific Northwest) became a beloved member of SFWA based on the publication of three short stories in qualifying markets.  This is a first (graphic) <i>novel</i>.</p>

<p>The murder mystery begins when Fredo is discovered exsanguinated on the deck in the gondola cabin.</p>

<p>The clue that puts the crew on the track of the vampires is that, when found, Fredo is left-male/right-female, while the last time anyone saw him/her he/she was left-female/right-male.  He/she must have entered the Dark Eidolon between Lights Out and his/her discovery the next morning (by Lady Penelope--class issues are very much at the forefront in this novel).</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #72 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>James Macdonald @ 71... <i>his/her discovery the next morning (by Lady Penelope...)</i></p>

<p>Thunderbirds are go!</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Also, each chapter begins with a stanza of a long saga-poem, making the work eligible for the Rhysling.</p>
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         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>PNH @ 55</p>

<p>Thanks for fixing the link.</p>

<p>Jim, that's a cute drawing. The dialog balloons made me think the gondola ought to be liberally covered in bumperstickers (24 ft. font?) with slogans like "Honk if you love someone of the same sex!" and "My other cephalopod is an octopus".</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Not only have I been laughing all through this thread, at one point I actually broke out into applause.</p>

<p>More, plz?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>The encrypted songs are sung by people in small boats moving down the river. Each boat can hold eight people.</p>

<p>This is called an octet stream.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Jim Macdonald at #23: "Meanwhile, aboard the squid..."</p>

<p>I am in the middle of a forgotten paperback called Petrogypsies, in which oil drilling is not done by machines but by giant tunneling worms that people can ride inside of.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>#61 Makes note to use "as I'm over" as many times as possible...</p>

<p><a href="http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/312b007e078af2e7?dmode=source&hl=en" rel="nofollow">Andover over Dover ready to hand over to Dover, over</a></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Oh it's squidcraft, wicked squidcraft...</p>

<p>Great stuff, everyone! And "Making Light" is the one true source.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Scott Spiegelberg @ 29"<br />
"Quibbling aside, the squid ends up being a metaphor for the grasping materialism encouraged by the economic class system."</p>

<p>Wasn't there a long-tentacled eye of the pyramid named Leviathan in Illuminatus?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Other people seem to have already hit the high-points (or should I say, low-points) of the consensus story.</p>

<p>I just want to add that near the end of the panel, I came up with another idea which manages to hit most of the bases, which I'd like to share. [I'll post it to my blog <em>after</em> business hours.]<blockquote>In an alternate-history Nigeria, a recently-widowed woman of color hopes to use her newfound freedom to explore her gender identity and alternate sexualities. In short, she is looking for romance.<br /><br />Unfortunately, with the loss of her husband, Miriam Abacha has lost her social status and faces a dramatic struggle to regain personal liberty and her property rights against the bloodsucking usurpers keeping her captive.<br /><br />Her only recourse is to invoke a mythopoeic ritual dating back to the Spanish Armada, which she will innovatively update with new verse translations and perform upon a worldwide collection interconnected computer networks (to be described in lovingly-accurate technical detail).</blockquote>Oh, and were I actually crazy enough to write this out, it would be my first novel, though I fit none of the other racial, national or membership qualifications.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Erik @ 77</p>

<p>Giant <em>alien</em> tunnelling worms! (I have a copy. Weird and funny both.)</p>
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         <description>comment from Joel Polowin on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Could we give the giant space-squid main vessel a smaller, younger space-squid "cabin boy"?  Or would it be GLBT-unfriendly to have him circumnavigate the skipper?<br />
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         <content:encoded><p>P J Evans @82.</p>

<p>More proof that there is no book that hasn't been read by at least two fluorospherians.  </p>

<p>I'm convinced that if I mention the bizarre book I read a few years concerning interplanetary truckers who use a system of jump gates left by a mysterious civilization called the "road builders" and which featured among other things a creature which had memorized a poem that told the other characters where they needed to go (kind of) and which ended with the line of dialogue, "You just punched God's lights out!", at least somebody here will know which book I'm talking about.</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #85 from Trip the Space Parasite</title>
         <description>comment from Trip the Space Parasite on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Jules @ #84:</p>

<p>It's actually a trilogy.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I know. But I only have the middle book. :(</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #87 from Jon Meltzer</title>
         <description>comment from Jon Meltzer on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>As this is a graphic novel, it will be eligible for a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squiddy" rel="nofollow">Squiddy</a>. But the voters will probably think the author's trying to pander to them. </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Leave it to Making Light-ers to bring me out of a blue funk with a sudden onset of mad giggles...<br />
And Fragano....<i>Perry Rhodan!?</i></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>As her servants hacked their way through the brush surrounding the tomb of her executed husband, the Nigerian Princess D&iacute;la da Zarb'&eacute; contemplated her life.  No longer would she have to live in secret, attended only by her 50 most loyal servants, able to eat caviar only twice per week!  Now that she had found, at last, a kindly westerner with an appropriate bank account, she would be able to convert the $30 million in blood diamonds her husband had swallowed before his death, and live as she had formerly been accustomed to living.</p>

<p>As she deserved to live.  She was firmly convinced of that.</p>

<p>At last they arrived at the tomb.  It was pathetically small; the mausoleum would barely hold her and the 5 men (actually 4 men and one transgendered-in-transition-from-female-to-male, greatly enhanced with bioengineered hormones) she'd brought to do the heavy lifting.  They'd had to leave their jackal-and-heron livery at home, lest they should be discovered. She would take vengeance upon those who had brought her to this humiliation, vengeance!</p>

<p>With magical crowbars they pried the sealed lid from her husband's casket.  It fell to the floor with a crash.  Then they all stood staring at the empty space within.  They were undone; all of them knew that all their secrecy had been for naught, and they would soon be in the hands of the authorities.  At last, D&iacute;la herself gasped out what no one else dared to say.</p>

<p>"By the gods!" she exclaimed.  "He's been&mdash;<i>decrypted!</i>" </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Emma #88: I'm sorry. I just couldn't help it.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007  2:10 PM by Fragano Ledgister</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Jules and Trip: I have all three of them. C'mon, it has a reference to Arthur Treacher.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>So where does the <a href="http://www.x-entertainment.com/archive/quickies/09/monstar.jpg" rel="nofollow">Silverhawks</a> crossover come into the story?</p>

<p>This certainly gets my 10 thumbs up...</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Skwid @ #92: whew! For a minute I thought you meant <a href="http://nypvascularcare.org/pla_exc.html" rel="nofollow">this.</a></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>The Google ads that come with this post are ... things of wonder.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007  2:52 PM by James D. Macdonald</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Jim @ 94</p>

<p>Yeah, I'd never have expected one for the '4-H Mall'. (slight croggling here)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>#84, Jules<br />
<i>I'm convinced that if I mention the bizarre book I read a few years concerning interplanetary truckers who use a system of jump gates left by a mysterious civilization called the "road builders" and which featured among other things a creature which had memorized a poem that told the other characters where they needed to go (kind of) and which ended with the line of dialogue, "You just punched God's lights out!", at least somebody here will know which book I'm talking about.</i></p>

<p>#85, Trip the Space Parasite:<br />
<i>It's actually a trilogy.</i></p>

<p>You mean Erq Yvzvg Serrjnl by Wbua QrPunapvr, right?</p>

<p>Oh yeah, I read that. I didn't know there was a third book though, I'll have to find that.</p>

<p>Bonus Round:<br />
Name that post-apocalyptic tale about the psychically endowed Canadian priest who meets the giant slug on his journey to defeat the bad guys in book two. After meeting and shagging the psychically endowed Native American princess.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>midori @ #96: Uvreb'f Wbhearl?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Could we have a Corsair Queen of the Space Lanes in there? She might be from an alternate reality where Mars was like Leigh Brackett's.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>#84, 85, 86, 96</p>

<p>The Series: Fxljnl<br />
Book 1: Fgneevttre<br />
Book 2: Erq Yvzvg Serrjnl<br />
Book 3: Cnenqbk Nyyrl</p>

<p>Thanks to: <a>The Internet Speculative Fiction Database</a></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Me @99<br />
Gosh Darn It!</p>

<p>Delete them Expletives!</p>

<p>Linking is not my priemier skill!</p>

<p>Link in 99 should be: <a href="http://isfdb.tamu.edu/" rel="nofollow">The Internet Speculative Fiction Database</a></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>#97, Lila <br />
<i>midori @ #96: Uvreb'f Wbhearl?</i></p>

<p>Yup.<br />
With a wacky premise like that or the aforementioned Erq Yvzvg Serrjnl, I really wonder that Hollywood hasn't come calling a long time ago. I mean, they did Waterworld and Independence Day.</p>

<p>Jules,<br />
I don't know about being surprised that Making Lighters would know these books. I went through a period in my early-to-mid adolescence where I read (almost) every SF mass-market paperback (between Waldenbooks and the library), so I can recognize anything from about 1983 to 1988. My interest level dropped off (I got picky) and the market kept getting bigger. Nowdays, I don't know who's publishing in SF, outside of the big three* who post here from time to time.</p>

<p>I have a hunch that different Lighters** can cover different periods for much the same reason, and there's probably enough overlap to go back to about 1940.</p>

<p>*BONUS ROUND: This is a projective test: who are 'the big three' in modern SF?<br />
**like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Wyatt" rel="nofollow">whitelighters</a>, only more nerdsy-sexy? Or like, well, <a href="http://www.cigarlight.com/store/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=95" rel="nofollow">lighters</a>. (E.g. Reki's Imco 6700.)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I'm still waiting for the rotten fruit for my horrible pun, which united the Nigerian scam (thanks Lis!), allohistory, biotech, stupid fantasy writing, and the code subthread.</p>

<p>Come on, there was even real live <i>Hausa</i> in there!</p>

<p>*crickets chirp*</p>

<p>i'll be over here now</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Xopher:</p>

<p>I'm awed to silence by it. (Also ROFLMAO, if it's possible to do both at once.)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>P J 103: <i>I'm awed to silence by it. (Also ROFLMAO, if it's possible to do both at once.)</i></p>

<p>If you block a laugh wrong, you can blow your ass off (or so my inner 7-year-old assures me).  So yes, it is possible.</p>

<p>And thanks.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>@Xopher (#102): Not enough dinosaurs.</p>

<p>(Add to that sometimes the genius seems so obvious it doesn't need to be praised... can I get away with this one ? <br />
In all honesty, I read post #102 before #89... still, I thought it was <i>great)</i></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Xopher #90: <br />
Jr xabj ur abg va qr pelcg<br />
qbhtu qr zbarl ur unq oneryl yvccrq;<br />
ab uneq-jbexvat tbcure<br />
vg jnf, vafgrnq Kbcure<br />
gubfr zvyyvbaf bs qvnzba'f unq pyvccrq.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>For #90 please read #89. I'll go off and shoot myself now....</p>
	 <p>Posted September 10, 2007  5:36 PM by Fragano Ledgister</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p><strong>Xopher</strong><br />
MD^2 nailed it, I'm afraid.  All the really good ones so fundamentally alter the fabric of reality that it becomes impossible to believe in a universe that never contained them.  They have a certain inevitability, as though the language were constructed around them instead of vice versa.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>OK, OK, my fragile ego is now repaired.  Thank you all very much.  Sentnab, vs bayl lbhe cbjref pbhyq or hfrq sbe tbbq vafgrnq vs rrrrrihy.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I keep getting the feeling that Mike is sitting somewhere reading these threads and grinning.</p>
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         <description>comment from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Re #84, 85, & 86:</p>

<p>The first book in that series featured a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-images/044178304X/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all/002-9957750-3582440?ie=UTF8&s=books#gallery" rel="nofollow">swell cover of a red '57 Chevy passing a towering futuristic space truck</a>, which introduced me to the work of James Gurney.</p>

<p>I liked the ending of the first book, and was a little disappointed when sequels appeared to fill in the time-paradox action.   But at least we got a John Berkey cover and another Gurney out of that.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>It also did not stop at reviving truly ancient puns: Speculating on whether a woman's affections were for sale, a man speculates whether she is one of those "star whores". </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Hi, actually Tansy (#9) is not quite correct. To be eligible for an Aurealis Award the author must be an Australian citizen or permanent resident and the work must have been first published in English in the period under consideration. Details at http://www.aurealisawards.com </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>PJ @ 110... Yeah. Remember the Zeppelins of Phobos?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I just find it fascinating that nobody has so far noted that to hit <em>all</em> the high notes, any such book needs to reference Heinlein somewhere.</p>

<p>Did Heinlein ever write about space squids? Or dinosaurs and sodomy?</p>
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         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 10.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Kbcure #109: Zl cbjref ner nyjnlf hfrq sbe tbbq; lbh arrq n arj cnve bs ebfr-pbybherq tynffrf.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p><i>For our tale to be truly fit and fine<br />
it must do more than mention flying squid<br />
(so Charlie says). Therefore I've now been bid<br />
to put in mention of Robert Heinlein;<br />
I can't declare that this improves the line<br />
but here lies open what had once been hid,<br />
now is permitted what was once forbid<br />
and we have cleared up all the tangled twine.<br />
What we must write, we write with might and main,<br />
our messages have gravity and pith,<br />
and we will surely show the world the way.<br />
And so the story must include Podkayne,<br />
another Martian better be named Smith,<br />
but I'll be dammed if I can praise <b>Friday</b>.</i></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Fragano 117:  *applause*</p>

<p>How about....</p>

<p>Robert A Heinlein<br />
springtime, giant mating squid<br />
mobile infantry!</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Emma re: #14:</p>

<p>Bone Dance is one of my favoritest books ever. Except when I've just finished Finder.</p>

<p><i>Two! Two! Two favorites from one!</i></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Charlie, #115, I did use a red-haired heroine.</p>

<p>(Or is that more Doc Smith than Heinlrin?)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>He'd go bouncing around in his armor,<br />
Settle Jupiter's moon as a farmer.<br />
RAH resurrected would not be dejected,<br />
and his mom would still find him a charmer.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>P J Evans @ 110</p>

<p>I had the misfortune never to have known Mike Ford personally, and not to discover his writing until after his death, so I don't know anything about his feelings about mortality and immortality except what I can glean from his own words.  Still, I think he would be sympathetic to the idea that what remains of Mike resides in places like the Fluorosphere, where collections of his friends and admirers treasure and reuse his ways of thought and speech, and carry on the spirit of the things he cared about.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p><i>I just find it fascinating that nobody has so far noted that to hit all the high notes, any such book needs to reference Heinlein somewhere.</i></p>

<p>During the panel, it was noted that at one point in the novel the crew of the Space Squid is fooled by a sapient automobile, the Gay Deceiver.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Shouldn't there be a homage to 'doc' Smith too?</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2007  7:13 AM by Serge</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Xopher @ 102:</p>

<p>Be assured, rotten fruit is on the way.  It's just that I'm in Germany, so it will take a while to get there.</p>

<p>(Metaphorically, you made me bang my forehead several times on the table in appreciation.  Does that help?)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>#124 Serge:</p>

<p>Sorry, the book plot has gone inert, and your suggestion has harmlessly impacted against it and pushed it along.  Be good, or the Valerian Marines will be swinging their space axes to restore order.  </p>

<p>albatross for Boskone</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>And I believe it was Lis who suggested the title (since we do have the vampire squid taking the Titanic to an Undersea City) should be <i>Atlantis Nights</i>.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Peter 125: Yes, yes it does.  Thanks.</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2007  8:42 AM by Xopher</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Lady Cunthia paused to admire herself in the mirror. My, but her grey suit was scandalously close fitting. She adjusted the clasp of her cloak and gave it an experimental swirl, the light coruscating in the gems that adorned her flaming red hair.</p>

<p>"Kit, do I or do I not look hot today?"</p>

<p>Kit, who had been christened Ruth, paused, holding Lady Cynthia's gunbelt at the ready, and assumed a thoughtful mien. "Well, M'Lady, weather asied, I do declare you should epxect to be fighting the boys off with a broom."</p>

<p>Lady Cynthia chuckled. "How tedious." She took the gunbelt and settled it's weight comfortably on her hips. "And the mask..." It must, Lady Cynthia was certain, be some ancient magic, perhaps held by the pattern of the jewels inset into the black domino, but nobody seemed to recognise her thus attired.</p>

<p>Kit carefully adjusted her flying helment. Attired as she was in the black harness of a Servitor, not one in Atlantis would even notice her particular presence. "M'Lady", she said, "Your bathyscaphic assault transport awaits."</p>

<p>Lady Cybthia wasn't sure why nobody should notice Kit, and following her along the corridor only emphasised the apparent blindness of the Atlanteans. As she passed beneath a sign, "To the B.A.T. Cave", she inhaled deeply, steadying her nerves for the imminent confrontation.</p>
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         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Maybe it's just an innate streak of perversity, but I've always wanted to see films made of the Lensman books in which high Boksonian officials* are played by Muppets.  I've been suspicious of Bunsen Honeydew's extracurricular activities for a long time.</p>

<p>* As you know Bob, it's very difficult to keep <i>all</i> the thionite out of the air-conditioning system.</p>
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         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p><b>Your Attention Please</b></p>

<p>The character of Lady Cynthia Timebinder, that flame-haired hussy of the spaceways, is the intellectual property of David Bell, esq., of the ancient County of Lincoln. In deference to the truth, charm, and beauty, of T____a N_____n H____n, a general licese is granted to the particupants in <i>Making Light</i> comment threads to use the character, so long as the reults are fun.</p>

<p><br />
</p>
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         <description>comment from Bunsen Honeydew on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Hi there!  Bunsen Honeydew here, from Muppet Labs, where the future is being made today!</p>

<p>And it's a very exciting day today, because we've <i>just</i> finished development of our spiffy new transdimensional vortex.  No more tedious chugging along with rockets.  No longer the inconvenience of travelling inert, with all of that messy zero-gravity confusion.  You just flip a switch, and you are <i>instantly connected</i> to your destination through the sub-ether.</p>

<p>Ah, here's Beaker now.  As you see, my faithful lab assistant, Beaker, is all dressed up in his flight suit, and he's just <i>so excited</i> to be the very first person to have a chance to travel by transdimensional vortex.  Aren't you, Beaker?<br />
</p>
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         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Dave Bell @ 129</p>

<p>Was that first reference to Milady's name <i>really</i> a typo, or was that a catty editorial comment?</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2007 10:12 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>This Sunday, you'll see spine-tingling (for you vertebrates) phylum on phylum action!  It's Mollusca versus Arthopoda, as Space Squid, the Samurai Cepalopod, takes on the BattleShrimp, armed and armored as only a shrimp can be. Don't miss this evolutionary grudge match where the stakes just couldn't be higher as the loser goes to the wall!  Sunday!</p>
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         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>"Oh, Helmuth," Lady Cynthia sighed breathily, as the Boskonian's ruthless hands stormed and pillaged every nook and cranny of her Grays, "You're the only pirate who knows how to undo the Gray Seal."</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2007 10:29 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>#132: Meep. </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>q: Are you really a Lensman.</p>

<p>a: Yes, here is my grey seal.</p>

<p>q: That's not a grey seal, it's a walrus.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>albatross #118: Thanks!</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2007 12:12 PM by Fragano Ledgister</p></content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p> Dave Bell #129: Fortunately, I had just swallowed my tea!</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2007 12:46 PM by Fragano Ledgister</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Dave Bell @137: Not a lensman, then, but perhaps one of the eggmen?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Dave,</p>

<p>I'm noting that Cynthia is a double dactyl waiting to happen....</p>

<p>Higgledy-piggledy <br />
Cynthia Timebinder<br />
Dogfighting bathyscapes<br />
block out the shapes</p>

<p>Tentacled horrors come<br />
swatting the ships aside  <br />
Out of Atlantis town<br />
nothing escapes.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>(Rats, I messed up the rhyme scheme.)  </p>

<p>How about....</p>

<p>Higgledy-piggledy<br />
Cynthia Timebinder<br />
Dogfighting bathyscapes<br />
block out the shapes</p>

<p>Tentacled horrors come<br />
swatting the ships aside<br />
out of that wild ride <br />
No one escapes.</p>

<p>(Not quitting my day job just yet....)</p>
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         <description>comment from Trip the Space Parasite on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>midori @ #96:<br />
<em>Bonus Round:<br />
Name that post-apocalyptic tale about the psychically endowed Canadian priest who meets the giant slug on his journey to defeat the bad guys in book two. After meeting and shagging the psychically endowed Native American princess.</em></p>

<p>Ah, but have you read the sequel? (About which I remember almost nothing, except that I enjoyed them both and should extract copies from the used book store while they still exist.)</p>
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         <description>comment from Serge on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Ah, those endowed Canadians... No need for a stud finder up there. Eh?</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2007  3:12 PM by Serge</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>midori, #96</p>

<p>This is the series with the moose, but not the squirrel?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>#144 ::: Serge sighed:<br />
<i>Ah, those endowed Canadians... No need for a stud finder up there. Eh?</i></p>

<p>Well - I'm having a dreadful time getting my hard wood nailed...</p>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #147 from Dave Bell</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>The door slammed, cutting short the blaring fanfare. Wilson stood smartly to attention. "Lord Emperor?"</p>

<p>His Insane Iridiscence, Gavin the Ruthless, Lord of Ceres and Emperor of the Out Planets, carefully removed his ceremonial earmuffs. "My father," he remarked, "was indubitably tasteless when it came to music. Rupert, you were right about the space-squid."</p>

<p>"I'm sorry to hear that, Sir. The potential payoff was considerable."</p>

<p>"You're not gay, are you?"</p>

<p>Wilson  shrugged. "I've never felt any desires, but you know what the Academy can get like."</p>

<p>The Emperor winced. "I know it was bad politics, but I really enjoyed suppressing that coup d'etat. So it was just the usual feeling that you ought to keep you back to the wall?"</p>

<p>"Well, more the lack of other evidence. And the sailing records. A normal space squid would have been drydocked with must at least twice, by now, and they would have had to have sent in the fluffers." Wilson sat on the end of his desk and grinned. "It was obvious when I looked it up. Otherwise, just a hunch."</p>

<p>"You have good news. You always smile like that when you have good news."</p>

<p>"Sire?"</p>

<p>The Emperor practiced his regal frown.</p>

<p>""This is not something you need to know."</p>

<p>"An agent, I suppose."</p>

<p>Wilson nodded. "One of my best: an hermaphrodite Kerulean shapechanger."</p>

<p>"That is definitely TMI."</p>
	 <p>Posted September 11, 2007  6:14 PM by Dave Bell</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The book with everything -- comment #148 from Jon Meltzer</title>
         <description>comment from Jon Meltzer on 11.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>#135: But in the back of her mind Cynthia couldn't help but think of that night with Qadgop the Mercotan and his zymolosely polydactile tongue. Slurp! </p>

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