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December 2, 2007

Webcomics follow-up
Posted by Avram Grumer at 01:49 AM * 48 comments

Since I had that link last post to that old LJ post about webcomics, here are the webcomics I’ve added to my bookmarks file in the past year:

First, has everyone here read Sugarshock, by Joss Whedon and Fabio Moon? ’Cause hey, Joss Whedon, y’know? I haven’t actually bookmarked this, since it’s a finished story. Go, read and chuckle.

Hate Song: Not for the easily offended. This strip (which hasn’t updated in a while) focuses on a small family who are pretty much just horrible people in just about every way you can imagine. It’s like South Park without the moral center. And yet, there’s something entertaining about a comic being that creatively transgressive on a consistent basis.

Kukuburi: Hip young woman in some weird parallel dimension or something. Gorgeous artwork.

La Muse: Long-form science fiction about a young woman with godlike powers trying to remake the world. Some reviewers have complained the the protagonist is a Mary Sue; it seemed to me that this was rather the kind of story that spends some time showing you how awesome the protagonist is before hitting her with something she can’t easily overcome. Sure enough, recent updates have shown her getting hit with just some such thing.

Minus World: Promising comic about a video game company, but it seems to have stalled out after just a few entries.

North World: Swords-and-sorcery story set in something like the modern world.

Octopus Pie: Comedic slice-of-life comic set in NYC. (Yes, being set in NYC makes everything better. Extra points because the creator lives in Brooklyn.)

Pictures for Sad Children: Melancholy stick figure comic. Or maybe just one notch above stick figures. By John Campbell, who also did that 50 Answers series of comics that Teresa linked to.

Princess Planet: I haven’t actually read all of these yet; there’s a lot archived there. Comedy strip set on a world of fairy tales and space opera, where every girl is a princess.

The Superest: Two cartoonists daily challenging each other to come up with a superhero/villain who can beat the previous one.

Three Panel Soul: What Ian McConville and Matt Boyd have been doing since putting Mac Hall to bed.

We the Robots: Daily comedy strip about a world populated by robots who are all too human. It manages something like the tone of Peanuts, but with occasional swearing.

And I continue my recommendations for Dresden Codak (almost as nerdy as xkcd, but with real artwork), Templar, Arizona (full of alternate-historical subcultures observed in sarcastic detail), and Scary Go Round (the dialog is even funnier if you imagine the British accents).

My next post will be about something other than comics, I promise.

Comments on Webcomics follow-up:
#1 ::: Jon R ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:23 AM:

If you like Dresden Codak and Girl Genius, then you simply must try Gunnerkrigg Court.

#2 ::: Randolph Fritz ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:27 AM:

Eventually Jenn Manley Lee may get around to telling us what Dicebox is about; meantime it reminds me of Alexi Panshin a lot.

I find Wire Heads, "Hollywood Blondes, Visual Effects Blues, & CGI Geeks!" screamingly funny.

#3 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:39 AM:

I lost track of Dicebox when it went behind a pay wall. I understand that it's come back out since then, and I keep meaning to go back and reread all of. Last I looked, the two protagonists has crash-landed on a planet.

I keep meaning to take a second look at Gunnerkrigg Court, too.

#4 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:50 AM:

There will be retribution, Avram. I don't have enough time to do it all now, and you've just addicted me to 2 more webcomics!* I'm on part 3 or Sugarshock and I'm seriously thinking that Joss Whedon has more screws loose than I knew. And that's a good thing.

* Maybe 3, Gunnerkrig Court is starting slowly, but the artwork is pulling me in.

#5 ::: Jon R ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:55 AM:

Yay, more Gunnerkrigg addicts!

#6 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:57 AM:

Well, crap! I went back to read some more Sugarshock, and it turns out part 3 is the end. Damn, I'm sitting here jonesing for more.

Incidentally, lathing is a lot of fun; I used to do precision machining for medical instrumentation, and it's such a satisfying feeling splitting a thousandth of an inch tolerance on the first try. Even Vikings would like it.

#7 ::: coffeedryad ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 03:41 AM:

Ooh, yes, Gunnerkrigg Court is amazing. I'll also toss in recommendations for Metanoia and Kagerou - the first is about a hitman trying to get out of the job and getting caught up in a war between angels and demons, the second is, well, even stranger. MPD protagonist caught up in a not-exactly-typical fantasy world and his own head. (Disclaimer, the creators of these comics are friends/relatives, but since someone else mentioned them in the other thread I figured it'd be okay for me to boost them too.) XKCD, Girl Genius, what hasn't been mentioned... oh! Lackadaisy! Rum runners, flappers, speakeasies, and the most expressive faces I've ever seen drawn, with cat characters. Updates very irregularly, but it is sooo worth the wait.

#8 ::: Hilary ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 05:40 AM:

I wouldn't be human if I didn't toss my own favorite webcomic into the suggestions: Errant Story. This has been my favorite since 2003, and has remained my favorite read this whole time, despite my later meeting and marrying the creator.

Also, you should really check out Minus.

#9 ::: ethan ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 07:53 AM:

Wow! I had somehow never heard of Sugarshock, despite having a whole slew of involuntary physical reactions to hearing the name Joss Whedon.

I love it. I do not love the MySpace Comics interface.

Thank you, Avram.

#10 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 08:03 AM:

Avram's Sugarshock link actually went to installment 2 of the three issues. I think I've fixed it so it goes to installment 1.

#11 ::: Rob Hansen ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 08:21 AM:

For serious Doctor Who geeks there's The Ten Doctors. Up to 71 pages so far, and a lot of fun.

#12 ::: Wesley ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 09:01 AM:

I'll second the recommendation for Scary Go Round: John Allison has a unique voice, and every word balloon is a delight. We the Robots is the sort of thing Dilbert would be if it was as good as it is popular.

Some webcomics I like that I don't think have been mentioned:

Achewood: Achewood's strength is in characterization. All the characters have individual voices. You could take any line out of context, and still tell exactly who's talking. Two caveats: The strip has an unconventional sense of humor, and you may have to read several strips before it clicks for you, if it does at all. Also, the humor is frequently R-rated. This usually turns me off, but Achewood is somehow inoffensive. Under the surface this strip has a lot of heart; the characters really seem to care for each other.

The Adventures of Dr. McNinja: It's about a doctor who is also a ninja! And his receptionist is a gorilla! And sometimes he rides around on a velociraptor!

The Non-Adventures of Wonderella: The comic that answers the question, "What if Wonder Woman was a crass imbecile?"

(If you'll excuse a moment of self-promotion, I have comics on my website as well. And yet I almost don't feel qualified to say I have a webcomic... my work is too irregular--in every sense of the word--to build an audience.)

#13 ::: Wesley ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 09:18 AM:

One more I forgot to include in that last post: Nobody Scores.

#14 ::: Heresiarch ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 09:28 AM:

Yay for the Dresden Codak love. It's just as dorky as xkcd, but with phenomenal art. The current story is fun,* though some of the earlier one-shots are made of pure win.

I've been reading Scary Go Round since it was Bobbins, and it just keeps getting better. I like how he switches back and forth every once in a while from computer- to hand-drawn art--it keeps things interesting.

*Though is it just me, or is that last page kind of hard to parse? Beautiful, but confusing.

#15 ::: Summer Storms ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 10:51 AM:

Bruce @ 4: I once stayed up until 4 AM three nights in a row reading MegaTokyo from the beginning to the then-current strip, when a friend first introduced me to it. Didn't even miss the lost sleep, either.

#16 ::: Piscusfiche ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 11:42 AM:

I love Scary Go Round. I've been following it ever since it was Bobbins. :)

#17 ::: Sajia Kabir ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 12:55 PM:

Not sure if you'd find it too college-angsty, but you might like Friendly Hostility (at and its prequel, Boy Meets Boy (

#18 ::: psionic_fig ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 01:45 PM:

I have a compulsion here to step up and recommend Family Man-- the story of a 17th century German who was kicked out of a job at one university and is trying to find a place in another.

Also, Otter Soldiers, a Finnish comic about raisins and diabolical elves.

#19 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:32 PM:

psionic_fig @ 18... Otter Soldiers, a Finnish comic about raisins and diabolical elves

That sentence has so many possibilities for stupid puns that I don't know where to begin and made the hard decision not to start.
I heard that, ethan.

#20 ::: T.W ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:36 PM:

I have a lot of affection for Get Medieval on the Lj system. It will be finishing it's 3 year run this January. Sweet cute humble and geeky. Watched the artist grow and learn with her first major webcomic project and looking forward to her developing her talents further. Some day I will have the cash to grab the book anthologies off Cafe Press.
The premise, mafia aliens on the run from other mobsters stranded on medieval earth. The first dozen are rough but then it finds its groove.

#21 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 02:37 PM:

The other reason I didn't bookmark Sugarshock is that goddamn interface kept me from figuring out what to link. Thanks for fixing the link, Patrick, it seems to go to Chapter 1 now.

Heresiarch, yeah, the latest Dresden Coadk is hard to parse. I couldn't figure out what was going on till after I read some forum posts. Part of the problem is that Aaron Diaz works at such an insane level of detail (5100 x 6900 pixels) that important elements of the art wind up really tiny and easy to miss when the comics gets reduced to posting size.

#22 ::: TomB ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 03:06 PM:

Avram, it's totally okay if your next post is about comics. Instead of having to waste my time trying to find the good stuff, now I can waste my time reading it. Way better.

#23 ::: psionic_fig ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 03:55 PM:

Serge @ 19: No, no, pun away. I mean, it is a Finnish comic about raisins and diabolical elves.

#24 ::: Konrad ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 04:31 PM:

Thanks for these threads. I saw that a local library has Finder: Sin Eater on order, so I put a hold on that, and added a few links to my bookmark folder of webcomic recs. Comics I recommend can be found on my blog.

#25 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 06:48 PM:

psionic_fig @ 23... I wouldn't want to be raisin' hellves.

#26 ::: Ben Morris ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 08:03 PM:

Also good is Copper (a comic about a boy and his dog and wonderfully drawn oft fantastical settings) and Perry Bible Fellowship (which is the best absurbist humor I've seen in webcomic form).

#27 ::: Kayjayoh ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 08:25 PM:

On the one hand, Yay! More webcomics to read! On the other had, Oh no! Now I'll never get any work done.

Thanks for the recommendations.

#28 ::: vee ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 09:12 PM:

Ballad by Deadmouse for those of you with a gothic/surreal/horror bent. Currently on hiatus, though, but with a few completed episodes.

[Yay, I have something to contribute! (Although every time I post here it feels like approaching the big people table...lots of trepidation)]

#29 ::: c. ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 09:25 PM:

i'm still fond of Cat and Girl.

#30 ::: T.W ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 09:41 PM:

Vee, I know that feeling. I often see these folks as the aristocratic court of sf but then TNH would be a wry countess in a big hat with a tipple of sherry in my mind.

I have taken a sick liking to The Non Adventures of Wonderella, Goblins, and Sinfest
May not be a good sign there. Order of the Stick still rules my world and we have the box game in the living room.

If anyone takes a liking to Get Medieval the creator has started a superhero piece and has an incomplete alternate earth Prince and the Pauper. Careful she's a skittish box frog.

#31 ::: Epacris ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 10:43 PM:

vee @28; T.W. @30 oh yes, I've been reading here and commenting occasionally for 3-to-4 years*, and still feel "but an egg" in very many ways. OTOH, I'm proud to be able to contribute my mite to a place that I admire, and which has kept my morale up in difficult times.

*changed addresses over time, so 'view all by' doesn't go right back to late '03/early '04.

#32 ::: Jack Ruttan ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 11:25 PM:

I like posts about comics. Also SF movies, and dastardly writers' tricks and misbehavior.

#33 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 11:27 PM:

Well, I like Two Lumps which is about cat brothers. One smart, one stupid.

#34 ::: T.W ::: (view all by) ::: December 02, 2007, 11:48 PM:

Oh my god Marilee I'm killing myself laughing. Also crying cause I used to have those 2 kinds of cats not that long ago.

#35 ::: psionic_fig ::: (view all by) ::: December 03, 2007, 12:37 AM:

Serge @ 25. Okay, okay, I take it back. No puns.

#36 ::: Alan Hamilton ::: (view all by) ::: December 03, 2007, 01:50 AM:

I'm following The Dreamland Chronicles (updated M-F). Alexander visited the Dreamland realm every night until he was 12. It was full of kid-friendly stuff like an elfin princess, faeries, teddy bear villages, etc. He quit dreaming then but now he's 20 and he's back, and things aren't going well there....

I like the 3D computer graphic art and the story is fairly appealing.

#37 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: December 04, 2007, 01:18 AM:

Heresiarch @ 14

I have the same problem with the last posting of Dresden Codak. What I'm planning to do is wait for the next update and then see if there's anything to be learned from that.

Summer Storms @ 15

Been there, doing that now, too. Discovering Girl Genius cost me several nights sleep, because the only time I could read it was late at night; I was in crunch mode at work, and we were following the remodeling crew at home, painting the drywall as they put it up. But I just had to read all the backstory as quickly as possible. Worth it to; I can catch up on sleep after I die. And Phil Foglio is just one fine artist.

#38 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: December 04, 2007, 04:13 AM:

Rob Hansen@11: Oooh! I had not known about that comic. This long-time Who fan thanks you very much.

#39 ::: Michael Roberts ::: (view all by) ::: December 04, 2007, 10:08 AM:

Here's one I just ran across: Last Blood, by Bobby Crosby -- I always thought he was fictional, but I guess not.

Story: zombies kill nearly everybody. Vampires have to save the remaining humans so they have something to eat. You can't beat a logical setup like that!

#40 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: December 04, 2007, 10:30 AM:

psionic_fig @ 35... Now you understand why some people see the need for pun control laws in spite of what the Punstitution says about the right to arm bears.

#41 ::: Sarah ::: (view all by) ::: December 04, 2007, 02:31 PM:

Breakfast of the Gods (sort of like Crisis on Infinite Earths if the characters were all breakfast-cereal mascots) is interesting, but slow to update:

#42 ::: Heresiarch ::: (view all by) ::: December 05, 2007, 02:10 AM:

Re: Gunnerkrigg Court: this page is made of pure win.

#44 ::: Santiago Casares ::: (view all by) ::: December 07, 2007, 10:38 PM:

I must promote my own webcomic here, Chili's World. Who knows, maybe you'll like it! :)

#45 ::: Stranger Randy ::: (view all by) ::: December 23, 2007, 01:19 PM:

It is August 12, 2003. Tuesday evening and I am watching Dog Eat Dog on NBC. I have truly become what I have always hated my entire life. I must admit. I love this show. Trivia AND obstacle courses! Wow, what a game show! But I can't succumb to this haberdashery! The only option is to take my own life by beating myself to death with my own remote. You see, I'm writing this as a sort of suicide note (and as a warning). Good by cruel TV season!

#46 ::: Fragano Ledgister sees weird spam ::: (view all by) ::: December 23, 2007, 01:22 PM:

The randy stranger
might be a danger.

#47 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: December 23, 2007, 02:12 PM:

It seems to be a link to a web comic, so I suppose it's on-topic. I'm going to let it stand.

#48 ::: John A Arkansawyer ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2014, 07:14 AM:

Which is a perfectly good excuse to mention Guilded Age, which started slowly. At first, I had to focus my attention, but it's gone places I never expected and just took yet another turn.

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