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      <description>Apparently, in the movie Idiocracy (which I haven&amp;#8217;t seen) there was an energy drink called Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator. Adam...</description>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #1 from Ben Morris</title>
         <description>comment from Ben Morris on  3.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>"Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" is so amazing. Not only is it my favorite Borges story but its probably my favorite short story period. </p>

<p>Hmm...ok well actually thinking about it a little more it probably ties with Gene Wolfe's "Redwood Coast Roamer" and James Joyce's "the Dead" for that title.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  3, 2007 11:15 PM by Ben Morris</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #2 from Lawrence Evans</title>
         <description>comment from Lawrence Evans on  3.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Lots of fictional products from movies have made it into reality -- Willy Wonka's candy, Bertie Botts' any flavor beans, etc.<br />
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	 <p>Posted December  3, 2007 11:22 PM by Lawrence Evans</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #3 from Lea</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>There's also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomacco" rel="nofollow">Tomacco</a>, which had its origins in a mediocre late episode of <i>The Simpsons</i>...</p>
	 <p>Posted December  3, 2007 11:27 PM by Lea</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #4 from Lloyd Burchill</title>
         <description>comment from Lloyd Burchill on  3.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Whenever things claw their way out of books or movies and into the real world, I like to call it defictionalization. Favorite examples: when Spinal Tap went on tour in 1992, and when Buzz Rickson's started making jackets to match the one in <i>Pattern Recognition.</i></p>
	 <p>Posted December  3, 2007 11:31 PM by Lloyd Burchill</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #5 from Jason McIntosh</title>
         <description>comment from Jason McIntosh on  3.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Andy Looney (of game company Looney Labs) calls these kinds of transcendental merchandise "gobstoppers", after the Willy Wonka candy that's been sold as such in the real world since the 1970s.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  3, 2007 11:32 PM by Jason McIntosh</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #6 from Josh Jasper</title>
         <description>comment from Josh Jasper on  3.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Cat Valente's new book has a  contest for food themed form the book over at the Habeas Brûlée  blog.</p>

<p>Also, tomorrow she'll be reading <a href="http://www.hourwolf.com/nyrsf/" rel="nofollow">at the south street seaport for NYRSF</a>.</p>

<p>There will be music.  And art.  You should all go go.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  3, 2007 11:47 PM by Josh Jasper</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #7 from Alex Cohen</title>
         <description>comment from Alex Cohen on  3.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Buzz Lightyear.</p>

<p>It always makes me sad, because it means that people who come to that work of fiction later won't appreciate the artistry it took to make something that <em>seemed</em> real.  Buzz Lightyear is brilliant because he's so plausible.  And yet for kids who've seen the cartoon -- is it still on? -- he's just like all of the other real toys that show up.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  3, 2007 11:49 PM by Alex Cohen</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #8 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Helm Murray on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Interesting that it's being market as "What plants crave."  I have a deep-seated, learned suspicion of all the so-called 'energy drinks" (Rooster, Monster, etc.) because they have miscellaneous herbal inclusions that my insides regard as an, urm, "All Out NOW" encouragement.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 12:45 AM by Paula Helm Murray</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #9 from Lee</title>
         <description>comment from Lee on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Don't forget the ever popular red stapler: http://www.techcomedy.com/www.redswinglinestapler.com/history.php</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 12:53 AM by Lee</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #10 from Matt Stevens</title>
         <description>comment from Matt Stevens on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>"What Plants Crave" is from the movie, in which (sort of spoiler warning) Brawndo was sprayed on crops instead of water, as well as being used for nursing babies, etc.</p>

<p>I should note that the movie's "Brawndo" was clearly a Gatorade-style sports drink, while the real-world "Brawndo" is probably a diuretic.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #11 from Paul Duncanson</title>
         <description>comment from Paul Duncanson on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>This will be the second time a product from a Mike Judge movie has slipped into our reality.  Office Space features a fire-engine red Swingline stapler.  At the time Swingline did not make staplers in red but several years after the film's release, possibly due to the number of requests from fans, they started making them.  Get yours <a href="http://www.techcomedy.com/www.redswinglinestapler.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Brawndo's "It's what plants crave" bit is a gag from Idiocracy.  Qhr gb urnil znexrgvat, shgher Nzrevpn pbafhzrf Oenjaqb va cynpr bs jngre sbe nyy nccyvpngvbaf rkprcg bar.  Va nqiregvfvat vg sbe veevtngvba, gung'f gur fybtna gurl hfr.  Gur jbeyq vf qlvat orpnhfr pebcf jba'g tebj naq ab-bar pna haqrefgnaq jul orpnhfr gurl xrrc srrqvat gur cynagf Oenjaqb naq rirelbar xabjf vg'f tbg jung cynagf penir.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #12 from Paul Duncanson</title>
         <description>comment from Paul Duncanson on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Damn, you've got to be fast around here.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 12:58 AM by Paul Duncanson</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #13 from xeger</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Shouldn't it be "The object produced through the suggestion" ?</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  1:01 AM by xeger</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #14 from Stefan Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Stefan Jones on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Sort-of example:</p>

<p>The leg lamp featured in "A Christmas Story" was an actual product once, a promotional item for Nehi soda. (The lamp's skirt was knee high . . .)</p>

<p>Now I see that you can buy official reproductions, in three sizes, at RiteAid drugs.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #15 from Lee</title>
         <description>comment from Lee on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Paula, #8: I have a deep-seated suspicion of all "energy booster" products because they're SNAKE OIL. </p>

<p>Clarification: the Lee who posted #9 is not me. </p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #16 from Epacris</title>
         <description>comment from Epacris on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Some "superjuices" from "superfruits" (such as noni, goji, açai and mangosteen, sold for up to $AU90 per litre bottle &mdash; 'super!')  have won a section of the Australian Consumers' Association Shonky Awards: <a href="http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=106082&catId=100285&tid=100008&p=1&title=The+CHOICE+2007+Shonky+Awards#8" rel="nofollow">Supershonkyness</a> &hellip; "other claims made in general marketing material for some superjuices, such as: 'enhance libido', 'treat menopausal symptoms', 'inhibit tumour growth', 'equals or outperforms the following prescription and over the counter drugs' (followed by a list of 46 medicines including Lipitor, Methadone and Valium), and 'outperform current chemotherapy drugs in killing liver, lung and stomach cancer cells'."</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  1:25 AM by Epacris</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #17 from ethan</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>This isn't quite the same thing at all, but the other day I was wondering what it would be like to watch <em>Amelie</em> for the first time now that Travelocity has a garden gnome for a spokesperson.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #18 from Tlönista</title>
         <description>comment from Tlönista on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Long-time ML lurker, first-time poster. The red Swingline stapler was also the first thing I thought of. But wasn't there a proper word for it? I'm thinking it was <i>hrönir</i>, but...</p>

<p>...on double-checking it's <i>ur</i>, but yes, "tertian" is better.</p>

<p>And if a browser called "Uqbar" counts, surely Second Life (which may as well have been called the Metaverse) is another example?</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #19 from Doug Burbidge</title>
         <description>comment from Doug Burbidge on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p><a href="http://xkcd.com/" rel="nofollow">xkcd</a>, of course, springs to mind in similarly causing its own reality: chessboards on rollercoasters, RMS's katana, Cory's cape and goggles, and the gathering in a Massachusetts park.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  2:38 AM by Doug Burbidge</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #20 from nigel holmes</title>
         <description>comment from nigel holmes on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>I remember reading back in the eighties that a Japanese firm was interested in making one of the joke inventions of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daedalus_%28Ariadne%29" rel="nofollow">Daedalus</a>, a sundial that works at night (by means of a mechanism that carries a light source to the appropriate place above the dial).</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #21 from Zippy</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>California isn't a product exactly, but it was named after an island  in a 1510 novel.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  3:17 AM by Zippy</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #22 from A.R.Yngve</title>
         <description>comment from A.R.Yngve on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Is the atom bomb a tlonian product? (Haven't read H.G. Wells' <i>The World Set Free</i>.)</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  3:40 AM by A.R.Yngve</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #23 from iain</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>'Gobstoppers' is a poor choice of word for these tlonian items.  Gobstoppers (large round hard candies) were well-known sweets in Britain long before Dahl mentioned them in Charlie & the Chocolate Factory.  I don't know when they first appeared, but a character in Pat Barker's Regeneration (set in the 14-18 war) refers to them.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #24 from oldnumberseven</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>I can only hope Slurm will be next.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #25 from chris y</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Don't forget the original: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovril" rel="nofollow">Bovril</a>.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #26 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>24: be quiet and eat your <a href='http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/FilStu.shtml' rel="nofollow">Filboid Studge.</a></p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  5:50 AM by ajay</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #27 from Emil</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>William Gibson's PATTERN RECOGNITION features the Buzz Rickson's MA1 jacket, which didn't exist at the time he wrote the book - now there's a whole line of  clothing: http://tinyurl.com/257v8x</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #28 from Emil</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Oops, already noted, I see.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #29 from C. Wingate</title>
         <description>comment from C. Wingate on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Mustn't forget the Jeep.<br />
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	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  6:56 AM by C. Wingate</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #30 from Scott H</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>The nuclear submarine Nautilus and the space shuttle Enterprise also spring to mind.  </p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  7:36 AM by Scott H</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #31 from Daniel Martin</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>See, now, I want to call such objects "lathed", or maybe "Orred".</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  7:42 AM by Daniel Martin</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>I like <em>defictionalization</em>.</p>

<p>The <a href="http://www.tloen-enzyklopaedie.de/e_texts/index_texts.htm" rel="nofollow">Zweite Enzyklopädie von Tlön</a> (Second Encyclopedia of Tlön) that was on exhibit at the Gutenberg Museum in Mainz this fall.  I was kinda disappointed by it actually.  It seemed more like an exercise in creative book production than in creative encyclopedia production.  Which I guess is appropriate for a printing museum...<br />
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         <content:encoded><p>Paula Helm Murray @ #8: Interesting. Because that's the first thing that leaps to my mind every time I hear the name "Propel Fitness Water."</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  8:38 AM by Lila</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>I think the Reality TV Show from Idiocracy is one that the American public is ready for...</p>

<p>And I'm still waiting for the Costco that is so big, it has its own rail shuttle.</p>

<p>The drink that keeps the masses stupid... not so much.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #35 from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey</title>
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         <content:encoded><p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.fandom/msg/c5e9a00d77c727a0" rel="nofollow">The countdown</a>.</p>

<p><i>Too bad later rocketeers followed Lang, instead of Melies.  It would be nice to see dancing girls come out before each launch.  (Note that football games have both a countdown clock AND dancing girls.) </i></p>
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         <content:encoded><p>How about the muscle relaxer named "Soma"?</p>

<p>Here are some funny spoof energy drink adds:</p>

<p>"Be uncomfortably energetic! It's like adding chocolate to a lightning storm!"</p>

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPIRYhdnqs" rel="nofollow"> Power Thirst</a></p>

<p>And the sequel.</p>

<p>"With flavors like "GUN"!"</p>

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0geWjLI5dM" rel="nofollow"> Power Thirst 2, with preposterone! </a></p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  9:06 AM by Sean Sakamoto</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>The Buzz Rickman MA-1s have been around for a while -- just not in black.</p>

<p>It was actually a gaffe in research on his part, with a happy ending.</p>

<p>http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/blog/2005_12_01_archive.asp</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  9:11 AM by theo</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>The eighties band Heaven Seventeen named themselves after the band in <i>A Clockwork Orange</i>, though that band was "The Heaven Seventeens" so they always irritated me.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  9:20 AM by Jo Walton</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Steely Dan was named after a dildo in Naked Lunch.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  9:41 AM by Sean Sakamoto</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>I guess an actual dildo named steely dan would be tlonian though, not the band which is just a reference. I'm still getting used to this idea.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  9:46 AM by Sean Sakamoto</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>I prefer "defictionalization" too, because I know know how to pronounce it.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  9:58 AM by Kate Nepveu</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #42 from Andrew Plotkin</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>This was not *directly* inspired by suggestion, but by damn I<br />
suggested it (around 1992, for the first time) and now it's happened:</p>

<p>"This music is analog -- impressed as a series of shaped grooves in<br />
the trail pavement. By attaching either a laser-scanner or a vibration<br />
sensor to your freebike, you can convert the pavement waveform into<br />
sound, transmitted into your headphones or neuroplug."<br />
http://eblong.com/zarf/review/review-5.html</p>

<p>"Japan's melody roads play music as you drive"<br />
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2209957,00.html</p>

<p>(I know, my idea is higher-tech than the reality, but that's because I<br />
was writing in an SF mode. The original idea was just what's described:<br />
tuned groove-pavement that's hit by your tires.)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>In #42 the estimable Andrew Plotkin writes of his 1992 speculation:</p>

<p><i>(I know, my idea is higher-tech than the reality, but that's because I was writing in an SF mode. The original idea was just what's described: tuned groove-pavement that's hit by your tires.)</i></p>

<p>Yeah, <a href="http://beamjockey.livejournal.com/72106.html" rel="nofollow">well</a>...</p>

<p>And Kip Williams may have anticipated both of us.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Am I the only person who thinks the Brawndo ad is not for an actual product, but a viral-marketing campaign for something else? Everything about the Brawndo site says "parody," right down to the Omni Consumer Products logo at the bottom (remember Robocop?).</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 10:30 AM by Adam Rice</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>44: looking at the click through, you can buy t-shirts etc, but not the product itself...</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 10:33 AM by ajay</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #46 from Claude Muncey</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Since we are discussing a Mike Judge movie, there's always the <a href="http://www.acco.com/swingline/productdetail.aspx?sku=S7074740&cat=1003" rel="nofollow">red stapler</a>.</p>

<p><i>...it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire...</i> <br />
</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #47 from Alex Cohen</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>The engineers at NASA who developed the ion drive specifically <a href="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/deepspace_propulsion_000816.html" rel="nofollow">cited Star Trek</a> as the inspiration, although the principle seems to have been recognized before that. The name of the first ion-drive powered craft was Deep Space 1.</p>

<p>Does the Litany Against Fear count?  How about the Jedi religion?</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 11:23 AM by Alex Cohen</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>When people who studied robots realized that such study was becoming its own discipline, rather than a mere branch of electronics and/or computer science, some said they should call their discipline "robotology."</p>

<p>Up jumped an Asimov fan, insisting that it be called "robotics" instead.</p>

<p>And the name stuck.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #49 from Carrie S.</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>The word "robot" itself comes from sci-fi, doesn't it?  A story in, like, the 1930s?</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 11:34 AM by Carrie S.</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>I'm surprised no one has mentioned the novel <i>I, Libertine</i> by Frederick R. Ewing (officially, I believe, listed as a collaboration between Jean Shepherd and Theodore Sturgeon). Shepherd had a late-night radio show, and he urged his listeners to go to bookstores and ask for such a title, even though such a book didn't exist. Ballantine ended up publishing a book under that title to fulfill the demand, after enlisting Sturgeon to write it under the Ewing pseudonym. It contained the immortal cover line "'Gadzooks,' quoth I, 'here's a saucy baud.'"</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 11:38 AM by Robert L</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Carrie S. @ 49</p>

<p>This page traces "robot" to 1923.</p>

<p>http://tinyurl.com/ytzdqu</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #52 from Alex Cohen</title>
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         <content:encoded><p><em>Venus on the Half-Shell</em> by Kilgore Trout.  <em>The Necronomicon</em>.</p>

<p>In the movie "Bull Durham," there's a billboard along the back of the outfield that says "Hit Bull, Win Steak!"  Although the movie was filmed in the actual Durham Athletic Park, the billboard was made and installed for the film.  It stayed up, though, and some local restaurant began to honor the bet.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #53 from Jim</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>The Tlönion - Uqbar's finest news source</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 12:07 PM by Jim</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Carrie S @49-- yes</p>

<p><i>Rosum's Universal Robots</i>, by Karel Capek, 1923. Robot comes form the Czech word for 'worker'.</p>

<p>Not only was RUR the source for the word Robot but one of the first anti-communist works of literature.</p>

<p>***</p>

<p>artificial telecom satellites are Tlonian, as they were first written about by Arther C. Clark in a short story.</p>

<p>also, anything originating on the Internet has the potential to be come real, given enough time, enthusiasm and attention. </p>

<p>(I think this finally explains the mysterious origin of Corry Doctorow, but with a twist: Corry wrote the story that invented him).</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #55 from Gag Halfrunt</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Actually, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke#Concept_of_the_geostationary_communications_satellite" rel="nofollow">Clarke wrote about geostationary satellites for communications in a magazine article</a>, not a story, so they don't count as tlonian.<blockquote>Clarke's most important contribution may be the idea that geostationary satellites would be ideal telecommunications relays. He proposed this concept in a paper titled "Extra-Terrestrial Relays — Can Rocket Stations Give Worldwide Radio Coverage?", published in Wireless World in October 1945. The geostationary orbit is now sometimes known as the Clarke Orbit or the Clarke Belt in his honour.</blockquote></p>

<blockquote>However, it is not clear that this article was actually the inspiration for the modern telecommunications satellite. John R. Pierce, of Bell Labs, arrived at the idea independently in 1954, and he was actually involved in the Echo satellite and Telstar projects. Moreover, Pierce stated that the idea was "in the air" at the time and certain to be developed regardless of Clarke's publication. Nevertheless, Clarke described the idea so thoroughly that his article has been cited as prior art in judgements denying patents on the concept.</blockquote>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #56 from Niall McAuley</title>
         <description>comment from Niall McAuley on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>More Arthur Clarke:</p>

<p>He invented noise cancellation using anti-phase noise in a White Hart story, but wrongly suggested that the noise energy had to go somewhere and would cause the canceller to explode.</p>

<p>The hero of The Lion of Comarre had a mobile phone which could be diverted to an automatic messaging service when he knew annoying relatives would try to call him.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I seem to recall an ad campaign by a major company which basically said that they were throwing in the towel and calling themselves what everyone else already called them anyway. (Was it Vought?)</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #58 from Guy Parsons</title>
         <description>comment from Guy Parsons on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>The American Express Black Card (or "Centurion" as they like call to it) was at first an urban legend / rumour, before AmEx heard about it and decided to actually make it.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  1:29 PM by Guy Parsons</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>IIRC, the modern detector-activated doors were inspired by an engineer trying to figure out how they made them work for Star Trek.  (The simple solution of "Props guy pulls the door aside on cue" apparently never occurred to him.)</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #60 from Michael R. Bernstein</title>
         <description>comment from Michael R. Bernstein on  4.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>C. Wingate @ #57: You might be referring to Federal Express, which officially changed it's name and logo to 'FedEx' in 1994. I think it still counts as the largest global rebranding campaign ever (a lot of vehicles, planes and trucks, had to be repainted).</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  1:45 PM by Michael R. Bernstein</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Yeah, but we just get the finite gobstoppers, not the genuine Wonka everlasting ones.</p>

<p>I think the Jeep should really count as a reference to the original rather than actually Tlonian, given that Segar's Jeep was not a vehicle.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Ah, someone cited <i>Rossum's Universal Robots</i> already.</p>

<p>Um, there were doors that opened when one interrupted the beam of what used to be called "electric eyes," and they've been around since the '50s.  (<i>Sliding</i> doors, not so much.)</p>

<p>Swingline actually had a red stapler in the '60s; it was called the  Swingline Tot, it was about four inches long, it had a red plastic head (metal body, though).  </p>

<p>Speaking of bands, there was a jazz fusion sort of band, known, until Paramount caught up with them, as James T. Kirk (in homage to, if I remember correctly, James Brown, Thelonius Monk, and Rahsaan Roland Kirk).</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I just remembered, there is a mother-lode of defictionalized apparel here at 'Found Item Clothing':</p>

<p>http://www.founditemclothing.com/</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Sarah 61: Or even an outright coincidence, since according to <a href="http://members.aol.com/brimiljeep/WebPages/JeepNamePage.html" rel="nofollow">this page</a> the word 'Jeep' comes from 'GP', standing not for General Purpose as I had thought, but for G (code used by Ford for Government vehicles) P (80-inch wheelbase).</p>

<p>It's possible that the transition from GP to Jeep may have been out of affection for Segar's character, but I'd need some pretty specific evidence of that.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>My comment on the Jeep being more coincidental than Tlonian or even a reference has been held for review.  It did have a link, but only one.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  3:10 PM by Xopher</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>d.,</p>

<p><i>Speaking of bands, there was a jazz fusion sort of band, known, until Paramount caught up with them, as James T. Kirk (in homage to, if I remember correctly, James Brown, Thelonius Monk, and Rahsaan Roland Kirk).</i></p>

<p>ira hunter & robin thompson make comics together here in vancouver. naturally, their publishing company is <a href="http://www.championsofhell.com/news.html" rel="nofollow">hunter thompson unlimited</a>.</p>

<p>hey, if l.a. artist <a href="http://esart.com/" rel="nofollow">carol es</a> came on board, they could be hunter es thompson unlimited.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Well, I'm not sure how much this one counts since the book it was depicted in came out only a couple weeks before it did, but there is the children's book <em>Where's My Cow?</em> that was first depicted in Terry Pratchett's <em>Thud!</em></p>
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         <content:encoded><p><em>Where's My Cow?</em> doesn't quite count-- it's more of a semi-prequel to <em>Thud!</em>, because Vimes still appears in it and the events of the children's book happen somewhat before those of the adults'.  Which doesn't make me love it any less, no.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #69 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Slight tangent here:<br />
John R Pierce also wrote fiction as 'J J Coupling'.</p>

<p>(I had one of those little red staplers.)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I hadn't actually read <em>Where's My Cow?</em>, only <em>Thud!</em> and had assumed it was more or less exactly like described in <em>Thud!</em>. The fact that its not, and that Vimes shows up makes me much more inclined to read it (there can never be enough Vimes, such a great character).</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  4:22 PM by Ben Morris</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Regarding Where's My Cow &mdash; wow, those illustrations really, REALLY don't work for me. No, no. That is not what Sam Vimes looks like. And what's up with Young Sam? He looks like he's got progeria.</p>

<p>Apologies to anyone who likes Melvyn Grant's work. Like I said, it really doesn't work for me.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #72 from Nancy Lebovitz</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>If California gets part credit, so should Brazil.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  5:02 PM by Nancy Lebovitz</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>You guys do know that the recent rise in popularity of energy drinks is due to the needs of <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110008/" rel="nofollow">shape shifting raccoons</a>, don't you?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>It has long been my dark suspicion that Tyvek was based on that ~tough, paperlike material~ that time travelers (from the 1950's) kept finding in the future.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Pfusand: I'm pretty sure Tyvek was named after the Vulcan who invented it.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  5:28 PM by ethan</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #76 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>I never could understand why calling a lock a <i>kryptonite</i> lock is supposed to sound impressive. I mean, they were created long before <i>Smallville</i>, in the days where kryptonite didn't stop normal people.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Nancy @71:  That bit of trivia brings a memory of the time twentyfive years ago or so when I was at Pennsic with a bunch of Society for Creative Anachronism folks, being a merchant. I was selling handspun silk and wool sample cards done with period dyestuffs, and was explaining to somebody the whole brasil/Brazil thing, and a notable peer of the realm heard me, assumed that I had made the whole thing up and was a complete historical idiot, and stalked away ostentatiously with a noise of disgust.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #78 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>elise 76: Shall I guess who that was?  No, no, I suppose I'd better not.</p>

<p>Besides...peers are known for that sort of thing.  </p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #79 from Jeff P.</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>And don't forget <a href="http://www.sex-panther.com" rel="nofollow">Sex Panther Cologne</a>. That's apparently real as well.<br />
</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #80 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Surely the slidewalk (as seen in airports) was Asimov or Heinlein before it became a reality. And didn't Heinlein come up with the waterbed?<br />
Not to mention the tank (HG Wells... "You damned fools. I told you so.")</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #81 from Derek Lowe</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>I'm sure that Idiocracy fans are already all over this reference, but "Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator" is a takeoff on a 1970s soft drink called Rondo, advertised as "The Thirst Crusher". I drank large amounts of it as a high-school student in Arkansas, alternating with Mountain Dew and the occasional Dr. Pepper.</p>

<p>Stuff wasn't bad - it was in the cloudy, citrusy Collins mixer category, which several soft drinks have moved in and out of over the years. I go back as far as Simba, a failed Coke product from around 1970. </p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #82 from Caroline</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Real-life Brawndo seems like almost as much of a bad idea as offering the One Ring as fine jewelry.  (I know it's a work of fiction, but does the idea of using the One Ring as a wedding ring sketch anyone else out?  The symbolism is just....bad.....)</p>

<p>I thought it was fake/viral too, but in some sense, at least, it's real -- you can order a case of actual energy drink under the Brawndo label from that site.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Hey, I worked on Deep Space 1.</p>

<p>It was while I was a machinist, and we did some of the rings on the the drive.  I don't know where they went, but they were big pieces of titanium alloy.</p>

<p>I remember Simba.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>When we were casting silver in art class in high school, I made a One Ring. Had to make several tries before it would cast. Never worked until I left the last word off the inscription.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Scott H @ 30  'Enterprise', however, is a name with a long and distinguished history for naval & other ships, and related vessels.  One famous scientific HMS Enterprise explored the Arctic and searched unsuccessfully for the lost North-West Passage expedition of Sir Richard Franklin* (former Tasmanian governor, whose name was given to possibly its most famous river) in the nineteenth century, tho the name was an old one even then.  As a child, I saw one of the the USS Enterprise aircraft carriers &ndash; not sure if it was the nuclear-powered one or the earlier model &ndash; moored in the middle of Sydney Harbour because it was too large for any of the established berths.  So the Star Trek ship(s) may have had some influence on the space shuttle name, but it's part of an existing tradition too.</p>

<p>'Challenger' is another ship's name with a proud history in science & exploration, and a rather more substantial Australian connection.  'Nautilus', apart from Nemo's craft, the nuclear submarine and the cephalopods, I do not know about.</p>

<p>*A good story in itself<br />
</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Well this isn't really one either since its not an independent product. In Futurama the characters are often watching a show "Everyone Loves Hypnotoad". As an extra on the DVD of the new Futurama movie <em>Bender's Big Score</em> there is an entire full length episode of "Everyone Loves Hypnotoad".</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #87 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>elise #83: Gail's and my wedding rings are silver One Rings...</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007  8:47 PM by Fragano Ledgister</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #88 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>I'm surprised no one has mentioned the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Butterfly" rel="nofollow"> Venus</a><a href="http://www.romanticgifts.com/s4885.html" rel="nofollow">Butterfly</a> which originated on <i>L.A. Law</i> back in the 1980s.</p>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #89 from Caroline</title>
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         <content:encoded><p>Fragano @ 86, I thought as I posted that "Dammit, I'm going to inadvertently insult someone with that."  I should go back to lurking until I can figure out how to surgically extract foot from mouth.  I'm apparently not fit for polite company these days.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Has anyone cited the "bazooka" yet? How about "kludge"? Spike Jones (with an ess not a zee) invented an instrument, sort of a cross between several woodwinds and brass, and named it a bazooka. I think the army named their infantry rocket launcher after the bazooka. Or was it the other way around?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Serge, #75: Trying to think like a marketing guy, I'm pretty sure the intended message is, "So strong even Superman couldn't break it." Said marketing guy, of course, is not a comics fan and so doesn't realize that Kryptonite has no effect on J. Random Bike Thief. </p>

<p>ajay, #79: Well, there's "The Roads Must Roll," but that was considerably fancier than a simple slidewalk. </p>

<p>Caroline, #81: <i>...does the idea of using the One Ring as a wedding ring sketch anyone else out? </i> </p>

<p>Yes. Call me superstitious if you want, but... no way in hell. <br />
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         <content:encoded><p>89: 'Kludge' is from German <i>kluge</i>, meaning "clever."</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Speaking of robotics, there's US Robotics, inspired by Asimov's US Robots and Mechanical Men.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Also Rearden Steel, but they changed their name to Moxi when they came out of stealth mode (then got bought by Digeo).  There are related Rearden companies still in existance, but not Steel.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Lee @ 90... Lex Luthor, bicycle thief?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p><b>iain</b>, #23, my website is on a server named gobstopper.  When companies get lots of servers, they give them silly names.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>re 89: It's not clear who invented the bazooka. <a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0703D&L=ADS-L&P=R3610&I=-3" rel="nofollow">Here is a cite going back to 1918.</a><br />
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         <content:encoded><p>Xopher... Kluge sounds like the name of a Klingon geek.</p>
	 <p>Posted December  4, 2007 11:25 PM by Serge</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>I've seen claims that Heinlein invented the waterbed, but I've also seen claims that the idea goes back to the 19th century.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Xopher @ 48: Aren't robots themselves Tlonian?  I seem to remember the word was coined before the thing existed.   Ahh, yes!  Wikipedia reminds me: Josef Čapek, via Karel Čapek, the Czech playwright.</p>

<p>Manny @ 59: <i>IIRC, the modern detector-activated doors were inspired by an engineer trying to figure out how they made them work for Star Trek.</i></p>

<p>I'm surprised no one's mentioned flip-phones yet.</p>

<p>elise @ 83, that's stupendously awesome.</p>

<p>Regarding <i>Where's My Cow</i>, there simply must be a separate word for Tlonian objects by way of identical authorship.  There are a number of these which are books, such as J.K. Rowling's private "Beedle the Bard" chapbook.</p>

<p><br />
One of my favorite obscure bands, The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets, did a soundtrack to a movie (Spaceship Zero) that was either never released or just not released for at least two years after the soundtrack (I stopped following.)  The movie was based on a 1970s cult classic German TV show based on a 1950's American TV show based on a 1930's radio programme.  They've also done a roleplaying game now.  </p>

<p>I'm not sure that's Tlonian.  It possibly belongs to another category of obscure artifact...</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Another Heinlein one: the artificial arms used to remotely manipulate dangerous materials (in the place where I worked, anyway) are referred to as "waldoes."  </p>

<p>Does the band "Heaven 17" count?  They were in Clockwork Orange before they were in record stores.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Actually, moving sidewalks were proposed back in <a href="http://jolomo.net/atlanta/movers.html" rel="nofollow">the 1920s</a>, which predates Heinlein by a bit.</p>

<p>Another recent addition that's gone unmentioned on this thread: The assorted 7-11 Simpsons tie-ins (Buzz Cola, Slushees, etc). Although the lack of Duff Beer made that promotion less exciting than it could have been.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>D at #62 </p>

<p>Roger on the electric-eye activated doors.  Also door with switches under rubber floor mats.What got the engineer thinking was that there obviously were no electric eyes or floor mats, so how was it detecting proximity?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I wonder how much invention comes from the visual mode of cartoons, rather than from stories. (E.g. the wrist radio -- or did that thing have video as well?)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>A.J. 99: <i>I'm surprised no one's mentioned flip-phones yet.</i></p>

<p>And computer diskettes.  And the multiple-vital-signs monitor, which is literally a case of an engineer (or was it a doctor?) seeing it on ST and saying "That's a good idea!  I could build one of those!"</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Didn't some engineers approach the Star Trek people to ask how they got their doors to open automatically? I think they were quite disappointed to find that the doors were operated backstage by some guy with ropes.</p>

<p>What about the Jefferies Tube? </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Serge @185 - </p>

<p>Yep, the making of Star Trek book that came out in the 60's had that story. Stephen Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry wrote it.  Someone who wanted to put in pocket doors asked them how they got to open so fast.  They had to admit that prop guys pulled them open.</p>

<p>I think there are some blooper reels that show the Captain running into the door when the prop guys missed their cue.  The whooh sound was added post-production.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Whoops, commented on a future post. That was supposed to be #105.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>A.J. Luxton, <i>Spaceship Zero</i> was a real show? I'm boggled! I saw the RPG, flipped through, and chuckled at what I thought was a very clever setting aproach where the authors based an entire setting around a hypothetical TV show, as justification for all the in-setting wackiness. Sort of how <i>Cartoon Action Hour</i> has setting books for 80s cartoons that never existed.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>It's pretty clear that those data pads in ST the original were really tablet computers. Or giant PDAs.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Steve C @ 107.. You must never start a computer's warp core without first going thru the warmup phase.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>One of the more amusing failed predictions of science fiction was legalized pot.  Seemed every story written in the late 60's/early 70's had a character opening his pack of Acapulco Golds, and smoking it just like a cigarette.</p>

<p>Now back when I was alleged to have indulged <em>(no one saw me, I didn't inhale, you can't prove a thing)</em>, half a joint would leave me loopy for hours.  So I always laughed at those pot-smoking characters who were able to smoke and function.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>111: not just the 60s/70s; Ken MacLeod's "The Star Fraction" has a hero who smokes legal joints (Moscow Gold brand, naturally) without it affecting him that much... </p>

<p>Perhaps legalised pot will have a maximum THC count, for safety reasons.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Another tlonian example from Pratchett would be the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_morris#Dark_Morris" rel="nofollow">Dark Morris</a>.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>re 106: On one of the Babylon 5 blooper reels there's a shot of Majel Barrett running into a door which the propman didn't get open in time. Her response: "It's OK, I'm used to it."<br />
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         <content:encoded><p>Does swearing by saying "Frak!" count?</p>
	 <p>Posted December  5, 2007  1:48 PM by Alex Cohen</p></content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><p>Flip-phones were allegedly directly inspired by the communicators in Star Trek.  There's an interesting book, with the awesome title <a href="http://www.amazon.com/DREAMS-OUR-STUFF-MADE-Conquered/dp/0684859785/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product" rel="nofollow">The Dreams Our Stuff Is Made Of: How Science Fiction Conquered The World</a>, that examines the whole SF-spurs-invention cycle.  (Unfortunately, the parts of the book that <i>don't</i> deal with that are kind of crap.  Also, it's a bit out of date by now.)</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Alex (#115): I'd say that's more a linguistic issue than a product one (see "paparazzi," "factoids," etc.).</p>

<p>Me, I've added "gorram" to my repertoire of adjectival swears.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Steve #111, though if you think about it, it's no stranger than action heroes of the time who smoked tobacco constantly without it affecting their lung capacity. I guess it didn't matter much as long as the villains smoked too. </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Caroline #88: I'm confused. Why do you think you've insulted me?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Actually, Claude @ 113, while yes, people doing Dark Morris in a consciously Discworld manner would be Pratchett-derived, blackface morris dancing goes right back to the Middle Ages, and quite probably earlier, and can still be seen in various rural bits of England. Quite possibly by the aforementioned author, I wouldn't wonder. </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>The one good tlonian example from my own (indirect) experience involves war rooms.  I'm an Air Force brat and my father was first a B-52 command pilot in the 1960's then a staff officer in SAC in the 1970's.  Loving <i>Dr. Strangelove</i>, I once asked him about the real command centers, which he had spent a lot of time in.</p>

<p>The first generation SAC command center was built in the 1950's, and it was basically a WWII control center writ rather large.  It was a huge warehouse of a room, almost as long as a football field, with <a href="http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/sac57-3.jpg" rel="nofollow">manually maintained maps and charts</a> <a href="http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/sac57-2.jpg" rel="nofollow">covering the long side</a>. By the early 1960's, they were building the more hardened underground replacement using electronic displays and much better communications capacity.</p>

<p>There was just one problem, according to my father.  Everyone had seen <i>Dr. Strangelove</i> and <i>Fail-Safe</i> as well as NASA Mission Control.  The reality of the Hole was not nearly as impressive, with some of the displays produced with hand drawn diagrams on overhead projectors.  It worked just fine.  One of the functions, though, of a big fancy facility is to impress visiting congresscritters.  (NASA headquarters in Washington used to have the world's largest magnetic PERT chart behind curtains, just for that purpose.  One question and whoosh, there you were.  It really had no other use.) After the movies, the SAC command post was dissappointing, and that was a problem.</p>

<p>Supposedly, this helped spur USAF's investment in computer graphics over the next couple of decades. My father claimed that they dropped untold millions into trying to recreate the seamless graphics of <i>Fail-Safe</i>, but never succeeded.  These days, real <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/images/nmcc4.jpg" rel="nofollow">war rooms</a> are cluttered, full of displays and desks, and nothing like the movies.  For something impressive, try one of the big corporate Network Operations Centers.  But even there, half the reason for all the flash is to impress potential customers.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>During the really, really optimistic part the tech boom (say, like, 1996-8) there were a bunch of avatar and virtual realm development companies who took their names from Neuromancer and Snow Crash. I remember The Ono Sendai Corp and Black Sun Industries. It seemed very Nineties to me that rather than trying to realize SF imagined products, people wanted to envision SF Imagined Companies.</p>

<p>Back Sun eventually changed its name to Blaxxun when it became clear that we weren't going to be building the Metaverse just yet, exactly.</p>

<p>There was also Yoyodyne Industries. But they made simple email games rather than whatever their counterpart made in Buckaroo Banzai.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>re 122: Buckaroo Banzai itself borrowed Yoyodyne from the Thomas Pynchon novels <em>V.</em> and <em>The Crying of Lot 49.</em> </p>
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         <content:encoded><p>When I went to college to become a programmer in the early 1970s, I was rather disappointed that real computers look nothing like those in Irwin Allen shows. On the other hand, real computers don't shoot out sparks every time someone bumps against them.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>IIRC, when <b>Star Trek</b> <i>(TOS)</i> was in its first run, <b>Popular Science</b> did an article about the science of the series, in which they claimed that the fictional Enterprise bridge layout was adapted for a contemporary aircraft carrier bridge. I think they also described how the sickbay designs were influencing actual medical technology.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>I had seen an entry for 'computers' in an old <b>Golden Book Encyclopedia</b>* <i>(picked up the entire set a few years back on the curb)</i> with a picture that looked exactly like an Irwin Allen computer. I think it might have been a 1960 Univac, or something of the sort.</p>

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* <i>Yes, the publishers of <b>A Pokey Little Puppy</b> and other classics. IIRC, the books used more illustration than photography, and the illustrations all had that classic Golden Book look (which is why I picked it up)</i>.</p>
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         <content:encoded><blockquote>These days, real war rooms are cluttered, full of displays and desks, and nothing like the movies. For something impressive, try one of the big corporate Network Operations Centers. But even there, half the reason for all the flash is to impress potential customers.</blockquote>
The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NORADCommandCenter.jpg" rel="nofollow">2005 incarnation of NORAD at Cheyenne Mountain</a> looks very corporate, with commercial off the shelf computer hardware, office desks, lots of wood and a carpeted floor. It probably looks more corporate than an actual corporate network operations centre.
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         <content:encoded><p>Serge @ #124 -</p>

<p><em>On the other hand, real computers don't shoot out sparks every time someone bumps against them.</em></p>

<p>Sometimes real programmers do.</p>

<p>One of my favorite scenes in some two-bit TV SF movie showed a guy hooked to a computer absorbing the information into his mind.  They illustrated this with an IBM 3410 Mag Tape machine (the ones as tall as a person with the neat plastic windows that slid down) with a 2400' reel in <em>high-speed rewind</em>.</p>

<p>Another fond memory is of the original <em>The Terminator</em>, which showed scenes from Ah-nold's POV, displaying lines of code and graphics.  I recognized the opening page of a COBOL program, and thought, great!  Not only is he an efficient killing machine, he also processes your payroll!<br />
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         <content:encoded><p>Steve C @ 128... Just goes to show. COBOL may not be sexy, but it'll outlive us all, to be worshipped by death-dealing machines.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Some of the visible Terminator code was Apple ][ assembly taken from a program published in <i>Nibble</i> magazine.  There's no way in a just world that 6502s would outlast, say, 68000s.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Rob Rusick #126:</p>

<p>Probably a 1959 Univac, because I was given a Golden Book Encyclopedia in 1960, when I was seven: it was one of those deals where you got the volume-of-the-week for a dollar at the grocery. And yes, I actiually read each volume all the way through. It was, among other things, accidentally responsible for me figuring out that not all representational art was exactly the same, as there were two kinds of pictures, line drawings and paintings. I still look back on it fondly.</p>

<p>Golden Books were also responsible for various forays into the scientific realm, including the Field Guides, such as Zim's _Stars_, and high-school-level books on space flight and the moon that really challenged my reading ability at age 6, but which made me want to become an astronaut before there was such a word. (I think I said "spaceman".) Directly responsible for me starting to read SF when I was 8.</p>

<p>Back to the topic at hand, sorta, I remember reading _The Star Beast_ when I was 9 or so, and trying to design the desk the bureaucrat used, with its pneumatic in/out slots, communicators, clocks, keyboard, and all. Nowadays, of course, it looks like the laptop in front of me.</p>

<p>And last night, we got somehow sucked into watching "Firebrand" after the weather. One of the featured spots was an old one for the PS2, which was an advert for the PS9, complete with holodeck and such. I wonder what the real PS9 will look like, if ever?</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>#130: <i>Some of the visible Terminator code was Apple ][ assembly</i></p>

<p>Do you remember <i>Programmed to Kill</i> with Sandahl Bergman (my favorite actress)?</p>

<p>In that movie the on-screen programming language was BASIC, which might explain why the exposition was so sluggish.</p>

<p>#131: I had that very same set of Golden Encyclopedias!  They were on the bookshelf beside my bed and I read them all the way through.  I remember picking them up at the store every week, and looking forward to the next one.<br />
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         <content:encoded><p>I don't remember the publisher, but one kid-science-encyclopedia set my family had when I was a kid had illustrations that were taken from <i>film strip</i> slides. They were a little blurry and small and some of them had "on screen" captions.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>James #132: I don't, and it doesn't look like Netflix has it available unfortunately.</p>

<p>I have a long-standing (and apparently much-annoying) habit of pausing the tv any time there's a computer screen visible, to try to figure out where the text comes from.  Usually it's gibberish or unrelated Unix shell output, but I'm <i>still</i> trying to figure out why, in an episode of <i>The Agency</i>, the DCI was reading a copy of the Articles of Confederation.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>The <a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ws8XY4ubvXg/RjSXmmGSZnI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/E1duQikwKi8/s1600-h/GoldenBook.jpg" rel="nofollow">Golden Book Encyclopedias</a> were favorites of mine too, and I nearly wore them out.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p><i>Another fond memory is of the original The Terminator, which showed scenes from Ah-nold's POV, displaying lines of code and graphics. I recognized the opening page of a COBOL program, and thought, great! Not only is he an efficient killing machine, he also processes your payroll!</i></p>

<p>Well, yes. Hence the name "Terminator". The T-800 was originally designed to spare human executives the unpleasant task of sitting down with their subordinates to tell them they'd been made redundant. That's why they need to look human - if you wanted an assassination robot, you'd make it look like a Coke can or a vending machine or a Swingline stapler or a cellphone. It's a lot easier to make a machine that acts like a stapler, for reasons too obvious to belabour. Skynet repurposed them as assassins after the war started.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>re 124: Well, the first computer I worked on looked like an Irwin Allen thing (minus the tape drives-- '60s movie computers couldn't think without tape drives, apparently), because it was a Model 1 IBM 1620.<br />
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         <content:encoded><p><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/B205/" rel="nofollow">Real computers do too look like Irwin Allen computers.</a></p>
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         <content:encoded><p><a href="http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser/" rel="nofollow">You bet they do</a>.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>   Someone several comments back mentioned H.G Wells and the tank. That would refer to a 1903 H.G. Wells short story, "The Land Ironclads", about a type of military machine very similar to the tanks that were invented a few years later. I read in a biography that after the tank was invented, Wells actually filed a patent claim, using his short story as evidence. His claim wasn't successful.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Irwin Allen computers?  Check out <a href="http://www.csirac.info/gallery.html" rel="nofollow">C</a><a href="http://www.csiro.au/science/ps4f.html" rel="nofollow">S</a><a href="http://museumvictoria.com.au/treasures/details.aspx?Simg=2&Path=7&ID=40&img=4" rel="nofollow">I</a><a href="http://www.asap.unimelb.edu.au/pubs/guides/csirac/csir_pho.htm" rel="nofollow">R</a><a href="http://museumvictoria.com.au/DiscoveryCentre/Infosheets/CSIRAC/" rel="nofollow">A</a><a href="http://museumvictoria.com.au/CSIRAC/show/index.aspx" rel="nofollow">C</a>.</p>

<p>The Melbourne Museum says: "CSIRAC remains the only intact first generation computer surviving anywhere in the world".  Initially known as the CSIR Mk1, it was developed in Sydney in the late 1940s by the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR (now CSIRO, the Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial Research Organization)), and ran its first program in November 1949.</p>

<p>I am particularly entertained by the colour photo, taken in 1955, entitled <a href="http://www.csirac.info/gallery.html" rel="nofollow">CSIRAC on the move</a> at the bottom of the page.  Not quite the laptop or hand-held style of 'on the move'.  They even have an emulator, designed to run on Windows 98, so you may need to run a Win98 emulator first &lt;g&gt;</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>In #122, Karounia writes:</p>

<p><i>It seemed very Nineties to me that rather than trying to realize SF imagined products, people wanted to envision SF Imagined Companies.</i></p>

<p>While I agree, I can't resist adding that I joined General Technics shortly after it was founded, around 1977.</p>

<p>Regarding the Golden Book Encyclopedia, <i>passim</i>: Ook.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Also, I visited the premises of Ono-Sendai in 1993.</p>
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         <content:encoded><p>Fade Manley @ 108: It's either real or I was taken in by a complicated pseudopod of Operation Mindfck. The soundtrack also has this backstory.  And a song in German, because, to paraphrase Toren Atkinson, "some songs just have to be written in German."</p>

<p><i>Dieses is Unverschamtheit!<br />
<a href="http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=3530822107858511643" rel="nofollow">Wohin nehmt ihr mich?</a></i></p>

<p>And lo!  You are correct.  I have been taken.  At least according to Wikipedia.  Even the film is a hoax!  Hook, line and sinker.  Hot damn.</p>

<p>Suddenly the context of the soundtrack makes more sense, as TDotHT is mainly a Cthulhu punk band, and so the tradition of referring to media which don't exist (until someone makes them) suddenly comes apparent in this one...</p>

<p>Oh, <i>well</i> done.  I love a clever prank, and it's been a long time since anything's gotten me this good.  For several years, no less.</p>

<p>Karounia @ 122: I was <i>wondering</i> if anyone had ever done Yoyodyne.  Especially since a friend of mine has had a Yoyodyne parking sticker on their car and gotten appropriately credulous comments about it.  It's not originally from Buckaroo Banzai though -- Thomas Pynchon (<i>The Crying of Lot 49</i>) had it first, making it the same sort of Joe-quotes-Bob reality as I'd been led to believe Spaceship Zero was...</p>
	 <p>Posted December  6, 2007  3:22 AM by A.J. Luxton</p></content:encoded>
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         <title>The object produced through suggestion -- comment #146 from Manny</title>
         <description>comment from Manny on  6.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><p>Todd Larason at #134</p>

<p><i>I ha