Patrick, thanks for that. I think it should be an anthem to the shrub administration's attitude toward everything that the shrub thinks is not worth his attention.

My best wish for him is to be disowned by his family and tossed out to live on the streets like the people he disdains. Since he has no f@cking clue, he'd starve in a couple of weeks. "Why aren't people serving ME?"

Plus it's one of my favorite Flash Girl's songs.

Posted June 25, 2008 12:43 AM by Paula Helm Murray

This made my jaw drop.

I mean, really.

Then I picked it back up off the bottom of its hinge and tried to form some sort of commentary sentence. "That's just..." Then it dropped again.

"Audacious" doesn't cover it. To be audacious, one has to put forth effort. I think they're doing this two-year-old nonsense without any effort at all.

Every time I think this administration cannot surprise me further with its persistence in doing things that moderately well socialized adult humans* just don't do, they do something else. And my jaw drops and stays there.

*I did qualify that with "moderately." Surely one has to be at least moderately well socialized to exist in public office for this long? Surely? (Don't answer that. Enough broken hearts already. Think of the kittens.)

Posted June 25, 2008 12:59 AM by Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

Georgie Junior is going to be sent home from kindergarten with one of those "Does not play well with others" reports for his parents.

Wait, what do you mean he's not in kindergarten anymore?

In the White House? For real? [insert all seven of Mr. Carlin's Words, repeatedly]

Posted June 25, 2008 1:22 AM by Wirelizard

I hate to say it, but that even *that* takes 2nd prize today, compared to what just came out about the irrevocable corruption of the Justice Department.

Posted June 25, 2008 1:22 AM by Evan Goer

Wow. The nice thing about being a lame duck president who's fragmented his party in the process of leading it to an onrushing, disasterous defeat is that you just don't have to care how your actions look anymore.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:00 AM by albatross

Oh, yeah, Evan. If Obama wins in November, come January he's going to have to hire a lot of really good Cabinet secretaries and Agency heads who have bucketsful of cleaner to get rid of the moles that have been put in place.

Refusing to open an e-mail? That's beyond childish, that's in to, well, I don't know what territory that's reaching. Sheesh.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:00 AM by Linkmeister

Not every email I send arrives at its destination.
I'm perplexed that it wasn't sent as a hard copy.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:53 AM by Carol Maltby

Jaw drops,
slides along the floor to the open door, skids along the balcony and through the railing, falls 20 stories, bounces along the walkway and to the cliff's edge, tumbles over the side and down to the ocean, sinks as it's carried by currents towards and into the Mariana Trench, descends into the unthinking depths where strange currents meet, skips over the waters of lethe to the top terrace and bounces down all seven, slips by the legs of the evil one and through to the ice which collapses into a wormhole that pulls ever outward until the protons decay and still my jaw is dropping.

I mean. just. wow. No, you're making it up. Funny, funny Patrick. I get that one party is the Mommy party and one party is the Daddy party, but a 3-year-old stamping his boots on the floor, shouting "Mine" forever party? That's what we have?

(And out of 100 senators only 4 will stand to say "No"--let us thank them, Boxer, Dodd, Feingold and Wyden.)

Posted June 25, 2008 4:53 AM by Kathryn from Sunnyvale

Out of respect for our hosts, cast, and crew of ML --- I will refrain from reverting back to active duty mode and swearing like a sailor on liberty during deployment.

I spent the evening at the barn discussing politics with my farrier while he trimmed the horses... the barn consensus was that the only thing that will fix this nation is a good ol' fashion revolution. I silently disagreed...however, perhaps I should reconsider.

Posted June 25, 2008 4:56 AM by JKRichard

JKRichards, an off-topic question. I have a friend whose horse is being euthanized today (maybe already, they're in the UK), and I'm curious about something I can't ask her: what happens with the body? With cats and dogs, you can pick them up and bury or cremate them, but a horse is so much bigger. What happens?

Posted June 25, 2008 5:14 AM by Marilee

I thought of posting the following yesterday to the California wildfire thread, but here is more appropriate, I think:

I have images of our president watching reports of the latest California and Iowa disasters with the expression of great glee on his face that is found on teenagers after they've defaced graves at a cemetery. What Bush is also doing I'll refrain from saying out of respect for Teresa trying to keep some decorum at her site.

Posted June 25, 2008 6:10 AM by Jon Meltzer

The word is 'evil'. Just that.

Posted June 25, 2008 6:27 AM by Fragano Ledgister

I spent the evening at the barn discussing politics with my farrier while he trimmed the horses... the barn consensus was that the only thing that will fix this nation is a good ol' fashion revolution.

Absolutely. A return to the homburg hat would seem the most obvious fashion revolution. Or possibly (I'm undecided) the Marcel wave.

Posted June 25, 2008 7:03 AM by ajay

Linkmeister @ 6

I keep thinking we'll have to re-route the Potomac. Preferably without advance notification to anyone other than the museum people. (The portential moles that now are inside about 90 percent of the departments and agencies are what scare me.)

Posted June 25, 2008 8:05 AM by P J Evans

Bush's detachment from reality, contempt for democratic institutions, and rampant cronyism reminds me of Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe.

Of course, America has an awful long way to fall before it faces the sort of abyss now facing Zimbabwe, but that's the logical end-point of the world view of Bush's ruling clique and their partisan supporters.

Posted June 25, 2008 8:08 AM by Tim Hall

#9 ::: JKRichard:

If it's ok with our hosts, I would very much like to see that sort of swearing. Aside from how I feel about the current administration, I grew up with books that would mention someone who could swear for half an hour without repeating themselves, but I've never seen it actually done.

Posted June 25, 2008 8:19 AM by Nancy Lebovitz

#7 ::: Carol Maltby:

They said they wouldn't open an email. This is way beyond just not opening an email, and sending a hard copy obviously wouldn't help.

Posted June 25, 2008 8:21 AM by Nancy Lebovitz

Yes, they'd probably refuse receipt of any hard copies sent them if they refused to open the email.

The depth and scope of this administration's nerve is appalling. Don't like the results of your own agency's report? Simple: don't recognize it even exists.

The sooner this bunch of thugs and thieves is gone, the better.

Posted June 25, 2008 8:53 AM by John L

My first thought was that the EPA should serve them the report, in the legal sense (as in "serve a subpoena").

Then I was reminded of Bob Dylan: it might be the devil, or it might be the Lord, but you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Guess it's clear who they serve.

Posted June 25, 2008 9:13 AM by Alex Cohen

And it's things like this that make me think, despite my disappointment with Obama, whenever anyone tries to argue that he's just the Democratic W -- "No. He could never be that bad."

Posted June 25, 2008 9:37 AM by Caroline

Incurious George obviously was never blinded by Science.

Posted June 25, 2008 9:48 AM by Serge

Ah, but what about the collusion between the US Embassy and the government of Albania to ship shoddy antique Chinese made ammo to our "allies" in Afghanistan, with the backing of the State Department?

Did I mention that the mastermind of this scheme is a 22 year old? Who was awarded a $300 million dollar contract?

Not abuse of science, but I find it reflects the same attitude, negligent, arrogant, cronyistic, and without regard for legal consequences, moral consequences, or even reality.

Posted June 25, 2008 9:56 AM by Josh Jasper

Marilee @ 10 Depending on restrictions the horse's remains may be buried on site (illegal in most places here in OK due to high table water levels and potential for contamination of well water feeds). Horses that have been euthanized are (at least here in the US) not fit for food (human or animal) processing so they will be disposed of at a burial facility but typically cremated. The removal of the carcass is not a delicate or pretty sight. I've witnessed it more than I care to mention.

Nancy @ 16 My father, a retired Senior Chief Petty Officer always said it was a fine skill to be able to tell someone how to $%^& themselves and have them thank you afterward. I don't think I quite developed his eloquence, I'm pretty positive I can deliver a very effective and heartfelt message to this administration. Of course, they'd never leave me alone in a room with him long enough...

Posted June 25, 2008 9:57 AM by JKRichard

ajay #13: My father owned a homburg. He also owned a panama. When my hair is kept short it has a natural marcel, before it starts forming curls. I say on with this ol' fashion revolution!

Posted June 25, 2008 9:59 AM by Fragano Ledgister

Jaw drops, slides along the floor to the open door, skids along the balcony and through the railing, falls 20 stories, bounces along the walkway and to the cliff's edge, tumbles over the side and down to the ocean, sinks as it's carried by currents towards and into the Mariana Trench, descends into the unthinking depths where strange currents meet, skips over the waters of lethe to the top terrace and bounces down all seven, slips by the legs of the evil one and through to the ice which collapses into a wormhole that pulls ever outward until the protons decay and still my jaw is dropping.

All die. O, the embarrassment.

Posted June 25, 2008 9:59 AM by Joel Polowin

P J Evans #14: Are you suggesting that the Augean Stables are located on Pennsylvania Avenue?

Posted June 25, 2008 10:00 AM by Fragano Ledgister

Fragano @ 12... My wife persists in saying that a person can't be evil and stupid. Of course I disagree, and the above shows that the proof IS in the sh*t... I mean... in the pudding.

Posted June 25, 2008 10:01 AM by Serge

You get what you reward.

Rewarding the ability to accumulate money by whatever means, making money the one reliable mechanism of social status, does what you're seeing.

I'm agnostic on the revolution thing; I do think y'all are going to need a great many hangings before the rule of law might be restored, though.

Posted June 25, 2008 10:01 AM by Graydon

Josh #22,

I read that a few weeks ago after my wife found the article. Apparently all you need to become an arms dealer is have a pile of money, a dad who knows some people in the current administration, and no morals whatsoever.

After 8 years of this, the rot is deep indeed. Should Obama be elected, he will have to do some radical and severe pruning throughout the entire government system just to start getting it back to a responsible and accountable format. I hope he's got the strength to do so.

Posted June 25, 2008 10:02 AM by John L

What do you expect from people who make their own reality?

Posted June 25, 2008 10:02 AM by James D. Macdonald

James Macdonald @ 30... Which is more dangerous - George Bush, or George Orr?

Posted June 25, 2008 10:12 AM by Serge

JohnL: Apparently all you need to become an arms dealer is have a pile of money, a dad who knows some people in the current administration, and no morals whatsoever.

You don't necessarily even need to know someone in the current administration. A classmate of mine in college, who I thought of as a friend, turned up dead by the banks of a nearby river the summer after our sophomore year (1990). He carried a Lebanese passport, and it turns out he was involved in some arms dealing to certain groups in Beirut. At the age of 20. In Connecticut. Then one deal in particular went very, very wrong. The whole story eventually ended up on the cover of SPIN Magazine.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Posted June 25, 2008 10:17 AM by meredith

"What do you expect from people who make their own reality?"

A really good Fantasy Novel?

Posted June 25, 2008 10:18 AM by Don Fitch

It's just brain breaking. I mean, this isn't even plausible deniability: they can't say they don't KNOW. They KNOW -- and they're not going to do anything about it.

It's the arrogance that gets me: We don't need to open your report, neener, neener, neener!

I'd love to have the job where I don't have to open emails I don't want to. It'd make my life much easier.

Maybe I should run for office. My platform could be "Avoidance and Denial: Why Stop Now?"

Posted June 25, 2008 10:22 AM by Cynthia

"What do you expect from people who make their own reality?"

A really good Fantasy Novel?

Should we be checking the Potomac and Anacostia rivers for dragons?

Posted June 25, 2008 10:46 AM by Ronit

Don Fitch @ 33: I don't think so. For a really good fantasy novel, the world-building has to be a consistent and coherent--on some level, it has to make sense..

The best we can expect from this crew is a really bad fantasy novel.

Posted June 25, 2008 10:52 AM by Mary Frances

Ronit @ 35... Should we be checking the Potomac and Anacostia rivers for dragons?

I can just see the tag line on the book's cover.

The trolls aren't UNDER the bridges anymore.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:00 AM by Serge

Graydon @28 - but wait a minute! From the New York Times article linked above:

Over the past five days, the officials said, the White House successfully put pressure on the E.P.A. to eliminate large sections of the original analysis that supported regulation, including a finding that tough regulation of motor vehicle emissions could produce $500 billion to $2 trillion in economic benefits over the next 32 years.

Blocking the report is not so much about making money as fear of change and the unknown; protecting the ways that make money in the short term at the expense of long term changes.

For people who want to entrench privilege and create a permanent ruling class, they aren't thinking about the future enough. I demand a better class of aristocrats.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:02 AM by Neil Willcox

Mary Frances @36:

The Eye of Dubya

Posted June 25, 2008 11:08 AM by Kip W

Wait, this administration is just a maleficent Bartleby the Scrivener?

I give up.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:13 AM by nerdycellist

#28 ::: Graydon:

Do you have theories about capital punishment vs. life imprisonment? Capital punishment is satisfyingly thorough, but that satisfaction may have something to do with why capital trials are sometimes very sloppily done.

Also, having just reread LOTR, I'm wondering whether killing someone who's completely helpless is more fun than people should let themselves have. (The famous bit about not killing Gollum isn't the only time the subject comes up.)

And having also made the mistake of thinking that the prairie soil of the US midwest extends up into Canada, I'm wondering what the underlying premises are. Is it a belief that America is the default condition? Or that the universe is benevolent, so that good soil should be common? Or is it a belief in simple patterns-- there's a big stripe of good soil with plenty of room for it to extend northwards, so it might as well.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:17 AM by Nancy Lebovitz

#10 Marilee

My cousin dug a big hole with his backhoe, hauled the dead horse out of the barn with an automotive vehicle (either truck or backhoe) and buried the the dead horse.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:22 AM by Paula Lieberman

Serge #27: A Hannah Arendt writing today, I feel, would be obliged to consider both the banality of evil and the inanity of evil. The current administration has done its best to demonstrate both.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:25 AM by Fragano Ledgister

Fragano @ 43... both the banality of evil and the inanity of evil

My tired brain almost mashed that up into the bananity of evil, but that'd be an insult to Dr. Zaius.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:28 AM by Serge

Delia Sherman's descriptions of the appalling depravities of the corrupt, sometimes even brain-damaged by syphillis ancienne regime years ago at a Readercon, were much more tasteful and considerate than the actions and attitudes of the misadministration and its appartchiks.

As for political litmus tests for appointments, that's a surprise?!

The only surprise is that the collusion and accession has been so complete. Reps. Waxman and Kunich are among my heroes. Pelosi deserved repeated immersions in a dunk tank. McCain should be chained in one and waterboarded for the next six months or so, that might being to sink into his head....

On second though, shouldn't be a dunk tank, it should be some body of water where the water quality has gone bad over the past seven and a half years and has lots of stinking muck due to diverted water, and dead rotting fish....

Posted June 25, 2008 11:33 AM by Paula Lieberman

Francisco@26: Don't be silly. The White House is MUCH fuller of horseshit.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:33 AM by Nicole TWN

My jaw drops, rolls off the table and out the door, then into the garden and under a bush (npi) where early next summer it will grow into a tree that grows jaws and tomato sauce, so that my jaw can continue dropping until the tree dies when my entire state is flooded out of existence because they ignored this report.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:35 AM by Xopher

Serge #44: Indeed!

Posted June 25, 2008 11:40 AM by Fragano Ledgister

Nicole TWN #46: ¿Quién demonios es ese jodido Francisco?

Posted June 25, 2008 11:42 AM by Fragano Ledgister

Xopher's ditties at what is it, #696, in the AP/MBA thread seems to apply....

Posted June 25, 2008 11:48 AM by Paula Lieberman

On the 22-year-old arms dealer:
The latest plot twist there is that his company was on the DoD 'watch list' to not get contracts. So was he, as an individual. So far I haven't heard why, but that's one more question to add to an already overlong list.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:51 AM by P J Evans

IIRC, George Orr couldn't dream up a different President either. Though if you're being nitpicky, the Bush Administration is analogous to Haber.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:51 AM by Tlönista

Fragano #26: Why no, the Augean Stables don't smell as bad.

Posted June 25, 2008 12:05 PM by Seth Breidbart

Tlönista @ 52...

"Did you ever happen to think, Dr. Haber, that there might be other people who dream the way I do? That reality is being changed out from under us, replaced, renewed, all the time -- only we don't know it? Only the dreamer knows it, and those who know his dream. If that's true, I guess we're lucky not knowing it."

"Oh, my God... I just killed six billion people..."

Posted June 25, 2008 12:06 PM by Serge

Neil, #38: The "permanence" of the ruling class only has to last until they, personally, are dead. They don't even care about their own children.

Posted June 25, 2008 12:08 PM by Lee

#51: his company was on the DoD 'watch list' to not get contracts.

In this administration, that means he's honest.

Posted June 25, 2008 12:40 PM by Jon Meltzer

You know that phrase, "the reality-based community"?

I think this is an example of someone creating a "reality-debased" community.

Posted June 25, 2008 1:03 PM by Bruce Arthurs

Jon Meltzer (11), I've always assumed he was doing a lot of that when he was supposed to be working.

Ajay (13), I vote for the return of the cartwheel hat.

Kathryn who wrote the great paragraph, and everyone else who's gobsmacked: this can be explained.

George and his cronies don't care about the government and its systems, or about the truth or falsity of the things they say. What you have to remember is that the in-group of people that are the primary beneficiaries of their policies is fairly small. Moving outward from that group, you get larger and larger circles of people who are also morally complicit, and who think they belong to the in-group, but who receive less consideration and smaller rewards, and are expected to assume more risk.

That innermost circle knows that action will have to be taken on global warming. The Bush administration may have suppressed, denied, spun, and forged the information about global warming that was made available to the general public, but the administration's primary investors will have known better. They just don't want to have to do anything about the environment yet. Bush has given them eight additional years of doing as they please.

This administration isn't about ideology. That's for the suckers. It's about making money and securing power. Gutting FEMA was about repurposing the department as a branch of Bush's personal PR machine, and rewarding his campaign operatives with far better jobs than their qualifications could normally command. Systematically corrupting the Justice Department is about giving themselves freedom of operation, and fixing elections now, and covering their tracks and giving themselves leverage in the future.

That's why they can pursue non-sustainable strategies: giving massive tax cuts to the rich, manipulating monetary policy to prop things up while they plunder the national economy, pursuing a petroleum policy that's nothing short of demented, outing our own intelligence operatives (which has all kinds of damaging long-term effects) in order to punish disloyalty and demonstrate what it'll get you, telling lies to the international community that they know will be detected, insisting on a war we can't win and may not be able to exit cleanly, pulling other dirty tricks abroad that'll rebound to the detriment of U.S. foreign interests, imposing unfunded domestic initiatives, letting the home mortgage problem grow into a looming disaster, and ignoring urgent environmental issues.

They don't think those policies are going to work. What they think is that by the time the bill comes due, they'll have already gotten everything they can out of Bush's years in office, and have moved on to other things.

Posted June 25, 2008 1:50 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden

Ronit @ 35... Should we be checking the Potomac and Anacostia rivers for dragons?

We should be looking for slapstick orcs. Foolish hobgoblins are a consistency of little minds.

I blame Lawrence Watt-Evans for the joke. I blame my brain for remembering it.

Posted June 25, 2008 1:51 PM by David Owen-Cruise

They're traditionalist exploitationist robber barons monarchists.

"After me, nothing."

Posted June 25, 2008 1:55 PM by Paula Lieberman

Bruce Arthur at 57 has just won today's "concise, precise, and elegant" award.

Posted June 25, 2008 1:56 PM by JESR

Paula Lieberman @ 60... Or, as is said in French...

Après moi le Déluge.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:00 PM by Serge

I wish George Carlin had held out a few more days.

In tribute to him, I will not resort to "#$^%#@$^#$:"

The people in the White House are motherfuckers. They, and the corrupt assholes who left the administration to spend more time with their families, deserve to live out their lives in penal colonies located malarial swamps down south. (Or not so far down south, if temperatures continue to rise.) Their children and grandchildren should be incarcerated with them, by way of showing them that actions (or lack of action) have consequences to later generations.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:05 PM by Stefan Jones

You gotcher dead skunks in the middle of DC
...dead skunk in the middle of DC...

Posted June 25, 2008 2:08 PM by Paula Liebermans

John @ # 29 - It's quite similar to the way that the Iraq CPA was set up. Or FEMA. Or the DOJ.

Cronyism with no eye for competence. All that was needed to get a job in the CPA was a sufficient ranking in the Republican party machine, and a pulse.

the thing is, with the bad ammo, people will die if they rely on it. American troops counting on the backing of the Afghanis who got the ammo might die too. And surviving Afghanis get the message that the US thinks they're not even worth functioning ammo.

If I were Hamid Karzai, I'd sue the State Department.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:11 PM by Josh Jasper

Paula Lieberman @ 64... Must we insult skunks?

Posted June 25, 2008 2:21 PM by Serge

P J Evans @ 14

Well, King George's motto is clearly "Après moi, le nettoyage".

Posted June 25, 2008 2:23 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)

Nicole @ 2

moderately well socialized adult humans

The key phrase is not, as you might expect, "moderately well socialized", which in the case of George Bush is impossible, but "adult human", which in his case is not true. Which of the words there is false is open to discussion.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:27 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)

TNH @58:

That innermost circle knows that action will have to be taken on global warming...They just don't want to have to do anything about the environment yet. Bush has given them eight additional years of doing as they please.

Or, perhaps, they've used the time to make their bets on who will make the most money out of addressing global warming. The profit from eight years buys a lot of shell companies and due diligence.

What they think is that by the time the bill comes due, they'll have already gotten everything they can out of Bush's years in office, and have moved on to other things.

Watch the companies that make it big out of alternative energy sources and climate change. Trace their ownership.

Better yet, don't deal with any company whose ownership isn't transparent, if you can't avoid it. And make our governments do the same.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:30 PM by abi

Bruce Cohen @ 68...

"What makes a man a man? A friend of mine once wondered. Is it his origins? The way he comes to life? I don't think so. It's the choices he makes. Not how he starts things, but how he decides to end them."

(From 2004's HellBoy.)

Posted June 25, 2008 2:32 PM by Serge

Paula Lieberman @ 64

"... Stinking to high heaven!"

</caterwaul>

Posted June 25, 2008 2:40 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)

Serge@ 73: The trolls are ... riding the Metro.

If only Joss Whedon had set Angel in DC, rather than LA. An couple of episodes wherein Our Heroes battle inter-dimensional demonic looters who've taken over the government so that they can steal everything they can carry before moving on to the next target would make this so much easier to understand.

"Angel, Wes says ya gotta open the email for the spell to work."

Nonfantastical thought: This will only get worse as Jan 20, 2009 nears. Keep your eyes open.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:46 PM by Ronit

That NY Times article is structured like a suspension bridge -- there's an outrage at each end. Patrick quoted the first two paragraphs; here are the last two, with a bit of emphasis:

Simultaneously, Mr. Waxman's committee is weighing its response to the White House's refusal to turn over subpoenaed documents relating to the E.P.A.'s handling of recent climate-change and air-pollution decisions. The White House, which has turned over other material to the committee, last week asserted a claim of executive privilege over the remaining documents.

In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Fratto, the White House spokesman, said the committee chairmen did not understand the legal precedent underlying executive privilege. "There is a long legal history supporting the principle that the president should have the candid advice of his advisers," Mr. Fratto said.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:49 PM by Avram

I keep getting images of Mr. Smith speaking to Morpheus in The Matrix, describing how he sees the human race, after I read Teresa's #58:

Bush's administration is the parasite on the US, leeching us of everything they can and then discarding us when the time for them to leave is here.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:52 PM by John L

And here we have Jim Hansen two days ago, testifying on the climate tipping point, 20 years to the day after his first testimony.

Game timer's up.

tnh,#58. "That innermost circle knows that action will have to be taken on global warming."

I'm not so sure. They may be like the military leaders who, apparently, believed that one more charge over the top would work. They may even be millenialists who sincerely believe that the second coming is nigh.

abi, #69: these people, if they believe in climate change at all, are investing in the high-tech, expensive technologies like nuclear electricity generation and carbon sequestration, and I don't think those are going to fly. Underlying this is a glossed-over fact: I don't think it is possible to make as much money selling the technologies that transform energy, or save energy, than selling energy itself. So, though green business will necessarily be the future, it may never be as big as the energy industry.

Every now and again I wish that the LJ mood words compiler would be attacked by a thesaurus, and this is one of those times. How does one react to the for-real end of our world? I could use about four or five words (one is only allowed one, anyway), but I have no words that are big enough.

Save us, Al!

Posted June 25, 2008 2:56 PM by Randolph Fritz

Ronit @ 72... This will only get worse as Jan 20, 2009 nears.

As for myself, I am looking forward to January 20, 2009. And don't you go give Whedon ideas.

Posted June 25, 2008 2:57 PM by Serge

Nancy --

Nothing to do with capital punishment.

There's defeat, which happens in the other fellow's head, and death. You can't guarantee defeat.

This lot are of the opinion that the rule of law is vacuous; they don't give up for anything. Prison is minor thing that can be fixed later, it's certainly not embarrassing or anything. It does not much alter the power structure they inhabit.

If y'all want to get rid of the alternative power structure, the one actively opposed to the consent of the governed and the rule of law, it's not enough to deny it legitimacy; you have to actually kill the people who will defend it to the death, and you have to remove its structural supports, including the "war on drugs", prison policies, and so on. You also have to take the money accumulated by its practices away.

This is standard practise for getting rid of a malign entrenched aristocracy. (Non-malign, see Taiwanese land reform in the 1950s.)

It's really and truly still the hangover from Prohibition, the which I could wish was yet the most spectacular example of the US departing from addressing reality in its exercise of policy. All that structural legitimization of gangsterism is still needing to be addressed.

Posted June 25, 2008 3:01 PM by Graydon

John Scalzi took this and ran with it today. (I was having similar thoughts myself.)

Posted June 25, 2008 3:05 PM by P J Evans

#78: The problem with mulching the president is that then some poor plant will have to put up with him.

Executive privilege boils down to the right to sneer and say "fuck you!"

Posted June 25, 2008 3:20 PM by Stefan Jones

Stefan Jones @ 79... some poor plant will have to put up with him

Mulch Ado About Nothing.

Posted June 25, 2008 3:29 PM by Serge

# 60 -

I knew I should have gotten them hooked on that life-extending lichen.

Posted June 25, 2008 3:41 PM by Sarah

Yes, I've often thought that the best service the WPE could give to the world would be as compost.

Posted June 25, 2008 3:47 PM by Xopher

abi #69: Better yet, don't deal with any company whose ownership isn't transparent, if you can't avoid it. And make our governments do the same.

Good idea, but, as The Essex say, it's easier said than done.

Posted June 25, 2008 3:55 PM by ethan

Serge @ 76:

Don't you stand in the way between Whedon and a Lilah Morgan/Monica Goodling angst fic where Lorne discovers The Maguffin That Will Save Us All by listening to John Ashcroft sing "Let Eagles Soar". It's his destiny.

And really, if DOJ were recruiting from Wolfram & Hart, would it be any different from what's going on now?

You (Serge) should enjoy the countdown to January 20, 2009. You (journalists, bloggers) should keep a sharp eye out so that Serge and other good folks can enjoy themselves.

Posted June 25, 2008 4:29 PM by Ronit

Ronit @ 84... You (journalists, bloggers) should keep a sharp eye out so that Serge and other good folks can enjoy themselves.

Excellent suggestion as THIS is what we turn into when prevented from enjoying ourselves.

Posted June 25, 2008 4:35 PM by Serge

#66 Serge

That was dead skunk, not live skunk.... road pizza skunk is very disgusting, and does not insult skunks bright enough to have avoided becoming road pizzas....

Posted June 25, 2008 5:17 PM by Paula Lieberman

Paula Lieberman @ 86... True, but even a dead flattened skunk is endowed with more qualities than the scumbags in the White House.

Posted June 25, 2008 5:26 PM by Serge

I've et skonk before and liked it, but scumbag is probably only suited to the making of portable soup in order to rectify the humours of war criminals.

Posted June 25, 2008 6:07 PM by Earl Cooley III

Serge #87

The Oval Orifice Oaf doesn't have sufficient merit to be a Bad Guy is a really vile paranormal romance....

Posted June 25, 2008 7:04 PM by Paula Lieberman

There's Mad Cow Disease and then there's Mad Meglomaniac Evil Priest-in-Red-Friend Politician?

Posted June 25, 2008 7:09 PM by Paula Lieberman

This seems to be the most appropriate place to mention the interesting neologism I just found.

Fractal wrongness

The state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution. That is, from a distance, a fractally wrong person's worldview is incorrect; and furthermore, if you zoom in on any small part of that person's worldview, that part is just as wrong as the whole worldview.

Debating with a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person's opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of logic, and outright lies, that requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one. It is as impossible to convince a fractally wrong person of anything as it is to walk around the edge of the Mandelbrot set in finite time.

If you ever get embroiled in a discussion with a fractally wrong person on the Internet -- in mailing lists, newsgroups, or website forums -- your best bet is to say your piece once and ignore any replies, thus saving yourself time.

Posted June 25, 2008 7:19 PM by Lee

Paula Lieberman @ 89... If the Oval Orifice Oaf were a comic-book villain, which kind would he be? Tom Tomorrow has frequently depicted Dick Cheney as the Penguin, but what of George? Gorilla Grodd's loser kid brother, maybe?

Posted June 25, 2008 7:22 PM by Serge

#91: That is a beautiful and much needed term.

ISTM that many cases of fractal wrongness stem from a systematic inability to distinguish truth from bullshit. Some people (specifically, high RWAs, I think) judge ideas not based on their content and how it fits with reality and their other ideas, but based on the source of the ideas - if the source seems like a good and likable person, then the idea is accepted, if not, it is rejected.

In short, for those people, the *only* way to judge a book is by its cover. This explains why they're such easy marks for trustworthy-looking con artists, preachers and politicians.

(And to relate back to the thread topic: if it comes from a bunch of treehugging liberals at the EPA, it *must* be wrong. No need to look at the evidence, you already know they're a bunch of alarmist eco-freaks.)

Posted June 25, 2008 8:14 PM by Chris

America in 2008. What you get when Dilbert's boss is elected president.

I wonder if Bush has a secretary who screams, "Delete the !!@#*%! e-mail yourself! I'm not your mother!"

(In case it's not obvious, I'm riffing off Chris' comment at #93 about high-level RWAs.)

Posted June 25, 2008 8:32 PM by Alex

Serge, Bush/Cheney reminds me of a colleague's line about someone in our business: "He thinks he's Reed Richards." (Or in Cheney's case, Victor von Doom.) "But he's actually just Willie Lumpkin with the Power Cosmic."

Posted June 25, 2008 8:58 PM by Bruce Baugh

#91,
That's a great term, and has much explanatory power.

(and riffing on that:
Holographic Wrongness, where the each piece shows a fuzzy version of wrongness, and the more pieces you have the clearer the wrongness becomes.)

Posted June 25, 2008 9:25 PM by Kathryn from Sunnyvale

what happens with the body? With cats and dogs, you can pick them up and bury or cremate them, but a horse is so much bigger.

As a young lawyer, I defended a client in a civil suit over the accidental electrocution of an elephant. My recollection was that the carcass had to be cut up into 10 lb. chunks and incinerated, at (allegedly)enormous expense.

Posted June 25, 2008 10:03 PM by rea

And that was a typo on my part--it was 100 lb. elephant chunks . . .

Posted June 25, 2008 10:04 PM by rea

Lee #91:

I love that term! It makes me think of a description I've heard for some especially bad cryptosystems--"robustly weak."

The idea is that you have a system that's so thoroughly screwed up that there's no small fix you can make to salvage it. It's not just that the key management is messed up, or that they didn't choose a sensible crypto algorithm, or that they didn't seed their RNG properly--instead, they managed to get so many things wrong, that even if you fixed everything wrong you found, the system would still be about as weak as when you started. I gather that many DRE voting systems have this property.

Posted June 25, 2008 10:45 PM by albatross

JKRichard, #23, thanks for the info. And sorry for the s on the end of your name in #10.

James D., #30, a visit to the neurologist and more phenobarb?

Paula Lieberman, #42, thanks!

PJ, #51, he & company were on the list because they'd done this three times before. Last night's news had a congressman asking a DoDer over and over "Didn't you fire the person who gave the contract?" and the DoDer finally saying it wasn't thought necessary.

rea, #97, thanks!

Posted June 25, 2008 11:12 PM by Marilee

Chris @93, Alex @94 RWA? [*] My acronym dictionary has 24, not including this, & some others on Google.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:53 PM by Epacris

Bruce Baugh @ 95... "But he's actually just Willie Lumpkin with the Power Cosmic."

HAHAHAHAH!!!

I think Dick really is Darkseid.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:53 PM by Serge

Bruce Baugh... Come to think of it, Earth will look like Apokolips if those guys remain in charge.

Posted June 25, 2008 11:56 PM by Serge

Randolph Fritz @ 75 "I'm not so sure. They may be like the military leaders who, apparently, believed that one more charge over the top would work. They may even be millenialists who sincerely believe that the second coming is nigh."

The impression I get is that to them the existence or non-existence of global warming is largely irrelevant--they are secure in the knowledge that their wealth and power will protect them. If the sea-level rises, then they'll buy the new beachfront property up north, and build a new beachfront "bungalow." They don't care if food prices rise--they can afford to pay. If three billion people die from hunger and disease, that will give them plenty of room to expand. They simply can't imagine being affected by global warming enough to care.

To the extent that they care about it at all, they probably care about its effects on their ability to collect (notice the deliberate absence of the word "make") more money and power. When it interferes with their wealth accumulation, it doesn't exist, i.e. the automobile and oil industries. When it aids their quest for more, then it does, i.e. corn-ethanol subsidies for ADM.

Chris @ 93: "Some people (specifically, high RWAs, I think) judge ideas not based on their content and how it fits with reality and their other ideas, but based on the source of the ideas - if the source seems like a good and likable person, then the idea is accepted, if not, it is rejected."

While I don't think you're entirely wrong, especially among the lower echelons, I think that among the top ranks the most important consideration when deciding whether to believe something is: does this help me get what I want? Is it useful to me? If it doesn't help them get what they want, then they don't want to hear it. Sort of a generalized case of the specific example I explore above, I guess.

Posted June 26, 2008 4:14 AM by heresiarch

103: we wish. Apokolips has a flourishing manufacturing sector.

Posted June 26, 2008 4:39 AM by ajay

Those things are worse than skunks, live or dead.

Yahoo has mailing lists on Skunks, even if some of the pictures in the Files section would likely give a VP heart attacks.

And there is always Sabrina.

(There are several versions of Zig-Zag floating around on the net, all tiger-skunk 'breed porn stars running their own studio... "Don't look, Ethel!" though a fursuit just doesn't look right. Now you know why I prefer CGI.)

Posted June 26, 2008 5:18 AM by Dave Bell

rea #98:

The scene from Animal House just popped into my mind when I read your comment about cutting the elephant up into 100 lb chunks...

Whenever one of our cows died on the farm, we just towed them off into a corner of the farm and burned them. Otherwise, the neighborhood dogs would start bringing nasty pieces of decayed cow into the yards to gnaw on...

Posted June 26, 2008 7:17 AM by John L

I just saw this satirical cartoon of George W. over on flickr, part of a series of three. It seems germane to the discussion.

Posted June 26, 2008 8:21 AM by NelC

heresiarch, #104: "they are secure in the knowledge that their wealth and power will protect them"

I suspect you are right; it is exactly what the ruling classes of third-world countries believe. It is of course false-to-fact, but belief in one's own power is a seductive thing.

Posted June 26, 2008 9:36 AM by Randolph Fritz

Speaking of disposing of large animals...

(Someone I know wrote a song about that incident. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the lyrics and can't remember enough of a phrase to go Googling for it.)

Posted June 26, 2008 9:59 AM by Lee

#107

Where I was, in West Texas, they'd move the dead cows onto the roadsides, where a truck would come along collecting them and taking them to the rendering plant.

Posted June 26, 2008 10:38 AM by P J Evans

P J Evans @ 111.. This sounds like the premise for a zombie movie on the Skiffy Channel. Or like a Far Side zombie cartoon.

Posted June 26, 2008 11:07 AM by Serge

Someone I know wrote a song about that incident.

Kay Shapero's "Blubber"?

Posted June 26, 2008 11:18 AM by Joel Polowin

#92 Serge

Juggernaut, maybe? Bull-headed, charging where told to charge with inexhaustible persistence, intellectually stupid and proud of it, loyal to the ones directing him and providing him with position, food, shelter, fancy attire, etc., mean-spirited and spiteful, and totally unconcerned about the damage he effects--for that matter, glorying in the damage he effects.

Posted June 26, 2008 11:21 AM by Paula Lieberman

Sometimes dead whales wash up on New England shores.... there are probably articles on-line that discuss disposal of the (highly unpleasantly odored) dead whale carcasses.

Posted June 26, 2008 11:29 AM by Paula Lieberman

Paula Lieberman @ 114... And too stupid to recognize that his upside-down punchbowl makes for a really dorky helmet.

Posted June 26, 2008 11:32 AM by Serge

Joel, #113: No, it was Andy Eigel and Dave Tucker from Cincinnati. Dredging up Andy's last name got me a little further; it was called "The Whale Song" and was nominated for Best Filk Song in 1996, but didn't win. Still can't find the lyrics.

Posted June 26, 2008 11:40 AM by Lee

ISTR a few years back when a large whale died and was washed ashore on a crowded beach. Obviously it had to be removed; the stench was chasing off the tourists. But, how?

I think they first tried to blow it up with explosives. REALLY bad idea, for obvious reasons. Eventually they just loaded the debris in a dump truck with heavy equipment and hauled it to the landfill.

Posted June 26, 2008 11:59 AM by John L

#91 ::: Lee

"Fractal Wrongness" describes it exactly.

Thank you for this discovery.

Love, C.

Posted June 26, 2008 12:39 PM by Constance Ash

I linked to this from my LJ, and somebody commented after this wise:

"That story is tripe. All official EPA business is done in hard copy, with a room full of lawyers, not by email (my sister is an official US Navy liaison to the EPA, she looked at that article and ROFLed)."

It seems unlikely to me that either you or Scalzi (or, come to that, the New York Times) would relay "tripe" without checking it first, but I pass the comment on for what it's worth...

Posted June 26, 2008 12:40 PM by Zander

abi #69:

I don't agree with you here. To the extent that the administration and its cronies are delaying regulation of CO2 to improve their own investments' values, that's evil and ideally should be punished. To the extent that they're shifting their investments over to clean energy supplies, they're doing a good thing, not a bad thing.

The Bush administration has delayed acknowledging global warming, probably because it will be terribly politically painful to address, especially among some folks that donate a lot of money to Republicans. That's a problem, but it doesn't pay for the bad guys who are encouraging this to also invest in greener technologies.

The big threat I see with government response to global warming is that we will do stuff that doesn't make any sense in terms of decreasing CO2 emissions or addressing the consequences of global warming, more acidic oceans, etc., but which pays off politically. We've seen this already with corn-based ethanol in the US, which doesn't do much for CO2 emissions or energy independence, but does bring a lot of money into a few states and some well-connected companies. I expect much more of the same in the Obama administration, to be honest, though I would love to be proven wrong.

More fundamentally, my moderately informed take on this is that with existing technology, it's pretty much impossible for us to avoid a lot of global warming effects by now. Our best hope seems to be to just have the climate models turn out to have been very wrong in very fortunate ways. It's not physically impossible, but it's politically impossible, requiring painful, visible sacrifices up front to head off huge problems in a generation or two, coordinated across pretty much all the large countries in the world, sustained over decades.

The only practical way out of this I can see is better technology, to make those tradeoffs between decreasing CO2 emissions and wealth/quality of life way less painful. Anyone that's funding that better technology ought to have no trouble selling it, even if they made the fortune they invested in the clean technology building coal-fired power plants, and formerly made big donations to re-elect W.

Posted June 26, 2008 1:37 PM by albatross

Zander at 120: All official EPA business is done in hard copy, with a room full of lawyers, not by email

Eh. Federal agencies routinely forward draft documents to reviewers by email. Official correspondence is also sent hard copy, but a preliminary draft for review and comment? Almost always sent by email -- unless the BIA is involved, in which case it's hand-delivered on papyrus scrolls (Cobell joke).

The Times article is however deficient in indicating exactly what the forwarded report was supposed to achieve, and how ignoring it advanced the Administration's purposes.

Posted June 26, 2008 1:59 PM by cofax

...the Bush Administration is analogous to Haber.

That's rather insulting to Haber. He at least had the noble intention of trying to improve humanity. the same cannot be said of the Bush administration who has been consistent only in their attempts to improve the size of their bank accounts, and nothing more.

Haber had vision. it may have been myopic but it was larger than the grasp of the Bush Admin, that's for sure.

Posted June 26, 2008 2:59 PM by Keith

#122

There was all that very apparently deliberately obliterated email regarding the gestation of the Iraqi Adventure, and the outing of Valerie Plame, and no-one-can-know-unless-there-is-some-magical-way-to-recover-the-obliterated-information-and-the-obliterated-metadata-about-it....

That's one of the reasons I keep calling them "Stalinist." The old USSR had an army of apparatchiks whose work it was to doctor documentation, eradicate inconvenient records, replace Person A with Person B at the May Day Parade in the review stand when Person A had gone out of favor and Person B was being promoted to prominence, and generally do their best to change history by removing/replacing/editing/adding to/destroying records.

Posted June 26, 2008 3:05 PM by Paula Lieberman

Keith @ 123... When they finally released Lathe on DVD in 2000, I was a bit annoyed that the DVD had not been made from the original film. They had apparently lost the film. As a result, the picture's quality is on the level of a VCR tape copied from a VCR tape made from a TV broadcast. Still, I liked it more than the later remake.

That being said, I agree about Haber. He was dangerous, but at least his intentions were good. (Of course, as we've learned from many stories, nerds and geeks let it get to their heads when they acquire godlike powers.)

That being said, here is an excerpt, but not the one with the turtles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbs3Y2HSoiw

Posted June 26, 2008 3:28 PM by Serge

Serge @125: I enjoyed the old version of Lathe of Heaven, even if it creeks a little and looks a bit silly to our post-BSG eyes. Haven't seen the new one. I convinced my wife to read it after she saw the movie and she found that the poor quality of the film inhibited her ability to enjoy the book, which is unfortunate as Lathe is one of my favorites.

Of course, a dream movie version would be one penned by Jane Esponson and produced by Ronald Moore. Maybe Dean Stockwell could play Haber.

Posted June 26, 2008 4:36 PM by Keith

Keith @ 126... The DVD's crappy quality definitely gets in the way of enjoying the story. At least, I had the advantage of first seeing Lathe on a big screen at Boston's worldcon of 1980.

Dean Stockwell as Haber? I can see that.

Posted June 26, 2008 5:12 PM by Serge

An update to #22

These guys were also on the watch list for the State Department, having been investigated for this kind of crap three times already (before the age of 23???) and they got a contract with that dept also.

Posted June 26, 2008 6:15 PM by P J Evans

(...and it's just a coincidence that Haber's noble vision for humanity was accompanied by Haber getting more and more power?)

Posted June 26, 2008 6:29 PM by Tlönista

Tlönista @ 129... That's what happens when a nerd becomes a god, especially if 'they' did laugh at him at the University.

Posted June 26, 2008 7:12 PM by Serge

Those who are bemoaning the moles in the various federal agencies that will need to be ferreted-out are missing the real kicker --

Because regulations and procedures for how laws are *implemented* is based on the final signed versions, there is a whole raft of laws that very well are being implemented entirely contrary to the bills as-written.

Because of all the "signing statements" that Shrub has been doing.

The signing statements act, effectively, as "I don't care what was written, and hashed-out in committees, and voted on. *I* say that this issue is going to be treated the way *I* say, and it will be *this.*"

Those signing statements will be the true evil that will live on after this administration is gone.

Posted June 26, 2008 11:04 PM by Craig R

#101 Epacris

RWA = Right Wing Asshole.

Posted June 27, 2008 1:53 AM by Alex