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August 9, 2008

Obama 666
Posted by Jim Macdonald at 10:20 AM * 123 comments

I’d been wondering about all the wingers who were calling Obama “the Messiah.” It seemed like an odd kind of slur.

Now much has become clear.

It seems that dog-whistling on Obama-as-Antichrist is gaining ground, including a commercial spot from the McCain campaign.

From Time Magazine:

Perhaps the most puzzling scene in the ad is an altered segment from The 10 Commandments that appears near the end. A Moses-playing Charlton Heston parts the animated waters of the Red Sea, out of which rises the quasi-presidential seal the Obama campaign used for a brief time earlier this summer before being mocked into retiring it. The seal, which features an eagle with wings spread, is not recognizable like the campaign’s red-white-and-blue “O” logo. That confused Democratic consultant Eric Sapp until he went to his Bible and remembered that in the apocalyptic Book of Daniel, the Antichrist is described as rising from the sea as a creature with wings like an eagle.

Do read the entire Time article.

Over at Slacktivist, Fred Clark, who has been doing a brilliant anaylsis/takedown of the Left Behind series from the conservative Christian point of view, has picked up on this story. Read his commentary too. (And read his critique of Left Behind while you’re at it.)

Comments on Obama 666:
#1 ::: heresiarch ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 10:53 AM:

They also keep calling him "the One," which just makes me think of bad Jet Li movies.

#2 ::: Jon Meltzer ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 11:07 AM:

You mean, he's not a Great Old One?

#3 ::: Will "scifantasy" Frank ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 11:09 AM:

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Obama R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn?

#4 ::: Josh Jasper ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 11:27 AM:

Oh, stewardess, I speak Deep One.

#5 ::: cleek ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 11:28 AM:

calling him the Messiah, then, sets them up for calling him the anti-Christ, now.

#6 ::: Jon Meltzer ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 11:32 AM:

Well, it's been obvious to me for quite some time that he's Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos. (Fungi from Yuggoth, sonnet 21).

No mere Antichrist, he.

#7 ::: Earl Cooley III ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 11:38 AM:

Oh, man, I wouldn't want to be in the room when John Charles hears about this one (except perhaps as a fly on the wall).

#8 ::: TH ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 12:08 PM:

Just one question. We are talking about the United States, a first world country, correct? Is this seriously supposed to sway opinions? And more important, how many of them?

#9 ::: kouredios ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 12:19 PM:

I do believe this might backfire with the sort of evangelical that works to hasten the Apocalypse...voting in the anti-Christ would essentially work toward that end, no?

#10 ::: John ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 12:20 PM:

I don't think Fred Clark (Slacktivist) would recognize your depiction of him as a "conservative" Christian. Neither would anyone else who has spent some time on his blog reading more than the LB series.

#11 ::: Joyce Reynolds-Ward ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 12:28 PM:

Fred Clark's tie-ins of the McCain ad to the marketing for the Left Behind. Just finished reading it (I have Slacktivist on my LJ feed) and he identifies many of the similarities I'd noticed as well.

For anyone else on LJ, following the DarkChristian feed is a scarily good analysis of what's going on with the Dominionist activists. Dogemperor, who posts quite a bit on neopente/dominionist activities over on Daily Kos, posts quite a bit here. Good to read for those looking for more information/regular updates on these issues.

#12 ::: Josh Jasper ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 12:34 PM:

TH - Yes, we are talking about the USA, and yes, there are plenty of people here who can be told patent nonsense under the guise of religious revelation, and who will accept it without question.

Think about how many Americans believe in creationism.

#13 ::: Scott ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 12:48 PM:

As far as I can tell, the "Obama as Messiah" thing is actually a slur against his supporters, not him.

It's "look at those people, they're looking at a politician as if he were the Messiah." Then they say, "look, you're a reasonable human being, you don't think Obama is a religiously prophesied savior of the world, do you? You don't want to be a part of that group, do you? They're icky, and irrational!"

It's a pretty boring sort of straw-man, except for how deep into the media it got. But I guess the Republican political machine is really good at making things up out of thin air and getting the media to respond to it.

#14 ::: Elfwreck ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 01:02 PM:

There's plenty of crazy to go around.

McCain the Antichrist?: Jenkins said his teams suspicions were further heightened when genealogical research showed that McCain’s great-grandfather was actually not John McCain, but John Mihai. Mihai is an ancient Romanian name, and according to Bible-believing Christians, the Antichrist is likely to be a Romanian. “What clinched it for us was that the name Mihai means ‘who is like the Lord,’” said Jenkins. “As far as we’re concerned, that was enough. It means that McCain might easily pretend to be the Redeemer.”

#15 ::: bryan ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 01:04 PM:

the reason why fundies would come out to vote against the antichrist is not because they want to keep the rapture from coming, but rather because they want to signify that they are on the good side and thus deserving of being saved and brought up in the rapture. This would be the same reason of course for any of them to come out and bomb Obama supporters or to shoot the candidate, because by doing so they are fighting against evil.

If they succeed in this fight it is paradoxically not a defeat just as it is not a defeat to drown an old woman hoping to see a witch float.

Therefore it is my opinion that this is not just a get out the vote campaign it is a motivate the crazies campaign.

#16 ::: Kirby ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 01:21 PM:

I've actually encountered this one in the wild, so to speak. My mother, who is a conservative, Bush-supporting, moderately racist individual (she's not a white supremicist, but definitely regards black people as 'other', and still uses the term Negro) mentioned that she was worried that Obama was the antichrist. And not in a hyperbole way, just a matter of fact, people were talking, maybe it's true, sort of way.

It doesn't make a lick of sense. Even putting aside all the rather awful thoughts that lead one to such a conclusion, if the antichrist had ridden, would a good Christian care if he became President? They've all got a ticket to ride if it's true, and it's not like you could stop him. It's God's Will or something that he come into power. (N.B.: I am not a Christian or a theist.) It'd be like going back in time to stop the crucifiction - nice sentiment, but not really a good idea with the tenets of the faith.

#17 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 01:50 PM:

#14

I'd be interested in his documentation for that, seeing as there's a reputable professional genealogist who shows no such person on McCain's family tree.

#18 ::: Elfwreck ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 03:32 PM:

#17
What, you question the fine genealogists who work for David Jenkins? Of course, the servants of the Dark One will have hidden the true history of McCain's family, and used anglicized names, rather than their proper ones. And perhaps this cover-up extends back through generations, and "Mihai" is the name his great-great grandfather should have had, if his great-great grandfather had carried his true father's name, rather than that of the man who married his mother when he was an infant.

Or something like that.

People who note that "Mihai" is probably a variant spelling of Michael, meaning "who resembles God?" are just trying to clutter the issue with facts. The important part is that it's Roman, and good biblical scholars have tied it to McCain.

#19 ::: Jörg Raddatz ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 05:21 PM:

I am a bit bewildered here.
Even if I accept as given that this propaganda will sway enough opinions to make it worthwhile [1], isn't it still desperate?

I mean, even the McCain campaign must see the potential audience as nothing else than a small group of extremists (to avoid a more explicite term), right?

So wouldn't it reduce McCain's appeal to moderate voters? Especially if this propaganda enticed a fanatic into (attempted) violence against Obama? I assume the backlash would be enormous.

Or is it a cynical way of saying: "If the Obama-supporters glorify him lika a messiah, we will condemn him as the anti-christ", ie just hyperbole?

[1] But I cannot believe that even a higher turnout among fanatics can possibly offset the negative effect even among non-religious conservatives, let alone moderates.

#20 ::: Jen Roth ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 06:08 PM:

Jörg, I think the idea is that they're using symbols that people who are tuned in to the end-times industry (Left Behind, et.al.) will recognize. Those who aren't tuned in to that will either be simply bewildered, or will just interpret the ad as making fun of Obama's supposed messianic tendencies*. It won't occur to them that McCain is trying to make the fringe wonder if Obama's the Antichrist, because that stuff's not on their radar.

* Though some of his supporters can be a bit perfervid, I haven't noticed these messianic tendencies in Obama himself. The guy's a confident politician, that's all**. In fact, I'm really peeved at the way the ad twists Obama's statement, "We are the change we've been waiting for." That's not Obama putting himself forward as a single glorious figure; it's entirely the opposite. It's Obama appealing to us as citizens to mobilize to take our country back. I can see why right-wingers might not recognize that, though, as an empowered citizenry is anathema to the form of "government" they've been working so hard to impose.

** And I think that's what really bothers the Right -- he's a Democrat who acts like he's proud to be one. Democrats are supposed to be embarrassed to oppose The Party of Real Americans[tm], not proud!

#21 ::: Mike ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 06:12 PM:

I went to grade, middle, and part of high school with Steve Schmidt who, if you haven't been paying attention, is running McCain's campaign now. We spent a lot of time hanging out in grade school when we didn't have anything else to do. Then we did the high school debate thing, and when the WSJ reports he has a reputation for terrorizing his staff to the point of nosebleeding, I take I haven't missed out on anything by not pursuing that sort of path. If he knew you, he was kind of jokey without inspiring a lot of laughter.

He never actually talked about his religious beliefs, but "anti-Christ" was actually a word that was always on the tip of his tongue. I'm guessing he finds the anti-Christ imagery of the ad hilarious.

#22 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 06:41 PM:

You could see it as desperate. Or you could see it as not overlooking any niche. Produce something highly targeted, put it on the Web, and it'll only hit the ones who believe it. All gain, no loss, what's not to like?

I wonder, though, if they got permission to use that clip from The Ten Commandments.

#23 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 07:24 PM:

The ad voiceover is that deep male religious voice, too.

#24 ::: Daniel Martin ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 08:08 PM:
Just one question. We are talking about the United States, a first world country, correct? Is this seriously supposed to sway opinions? And more important, how many of them?
I think that you are making the same mistake I see being made again and again over in slacktivist's comment threads - you're assuming that the people this ad is targeting are expected to be convinced by the ad on a conscious, vaguely-rational level.

That's not what this is about, or what any of the dogwhistles McCain's campaign has made is about - they're about setting up emotional associations so that when you go in there and vote with your gut, you won't pull the Obama lever. McCain's people don't want to sway your consciously held opinions - they want a shudder to go up your spine in the voting booth. They want to make you associate Obama with feeling uncomfortable, and then convince you that when you vote, you should do so based on your gut instinct.

And therefore you have this ad, that does nothing for those not steeped in the Left Behind imagery, but gets a certain section of the population to feel more uncomfortable about Obama. That the ad also almost works as a shot at Obama's supporters is just a nice plausible deniability cover.

#25 ::: Debra Doyle ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 08:41 PM:

John@#10: It's possible to be doctrinally (and even liturgically) conservative, while being at the same time politically progressive.

#26 ::: Tlönista ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 09:04 PM:

Fred Clark (Slacktivist) is a self-described evangelical, but I don't know if he'd properly be called conservative.

His Left Behind posts are a must-read even if you have little interest in the books; they're not only an extensive course in How Not to Write, they're an in-depth analysis of twentieth-century Christian fundamentalism and evangelicalism, American Christian culture, and the mindset of the kind of people the McCain ad is targeting. So he knows from Antichrist.

Just this evening I was chatting with acquaintances who come from both sides of the Atlantic, and remarked that living in Britain had made me realise how very alike Canada and the States are after all, and how Americans are not actually buffoonish idiots (as the common stereotype goes). And now this comes along.

You have to realise, from other perspectives it does look kind of weird that a presidential candidate is promoting the message that his opponent is actually a mythological villain who is prophesied to emerge at the end of days to set himself up in place of the son of God.

#27 ::: Mike ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 09:25 PM:
Just one question. We are talking about the United States, a first world country, correct? Is this seriously supposed to sway opinions? And more important, how many of them?

My guess is that if you ask Americans their understanding of Darwin's evolutionary theory, the percentage of people whose answer had any fidelity to it wouldn't break double digits. I don't think you can get 10% of Americans to describe Darwinism as anything resembling "Nature intends diversity."

Instead, most people will refer to a phrase that was popular at the time Darwin published on evolution, which is "survival of the fittest," which Darwin even included in the title of one of his chapters. What's wrong with this answer is how people infer dominance, not diversity, as the founding virtue of evolution.

The implication that we know we are strong from our dominance was central to Bush winning in 2004. Kerry was picked in the primaries as the authentic war hero that Bush wasn't. Then he was swiftboated. Then Kerry backed off of contending for the role of hero-candidate -- and fulfilled no other role. So voters in 2004 were offered the choice of we know we are strong from our dominance and... nothing. But since most people believe the wrong thing, they made a natural pick of choosing a second Bush term. Having only seen it work before, domination is the central theme of McCain's campaign again.

Addicts often need to be humbled to begin recover. If there are still enough addicts who need more humbling than 8 years of President George Bush can provide -- there's always Nader 2012 to look forward to.

#28 ::: Caroline ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 09:26 PM:

Interesting. The dog-whistling was lost on me, clearly.

I saw it as attack ad fail, because I thought they were likening Obama to Moses! I mean, they fade from Obama to Heston parting the Red Sea -- that's an obvious visual simile to me.

#29 ::: Matt McIrvin ::: (view all by) ::: August 09, 2008, 10:38 PM:

You know, I didn't actually watch the whole ad until just now, and I didn't realize that the titles were done in the exact style of the Left Behind book covers.

Given that, I don't have any doubt about the intent of the ad.

#30 ::: JKRichard ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 12:05 AM:

Scott @ 13 --- Actually, you could look at the "Obama as Messiah" viewpoint as a slur against his supporters...or like everyone else on that crazy train insist Obama fulfills prophecies in Revelations.

#31 ::: bad Jim ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 01:32 AM:

Fred Clark, although an evangelical Christian, is an unabashed liberal.

Sara Robinson also commented on this at Orcinus.

The comments at both sites confirm that real people believe that Obama is the Antichrist, a Muslim, a communist, or any combination thereof.

#32 ::: Scott ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 02:55 AM:

JKRichard @30
The first page of results seem to be 3/4 jokes about it, rather than people who believe it. Upthread there are people who have found the "Obama is the Antichrist" message in the wild though. So, I suppose there's something there, I just don't know what.

More generally, I haven't read Revelations recently (actually, now that I think about it, ever) but I watched The Omen a couple times... Wasn't the Antichrist supposed to be born of a prominent family? Or is that a mistranslation of "government-cheese eating"?

#33 ::: Earl Cooley III ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 02:58 AM:

By the way, has Obama apologized for voting for the FISA amendment yet?

#34 ::: John Chu ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 09:18 AM:

I found the ad baffling. A good dog whistling ad ought to make sense to those of us who aren't indoctrinated in the secret language. That way, the rest of us don't catch on to what they're doing.

Of course, if it's still effective to its real target audience, maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe we're supposed to be happy that an outright declaration would have been laughed off the screen.


#35 ::: Jen Roth ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 09:48 AM:

Earl: I think this does rather illustrate the folly of voting the Republicans' way so as not to give them ammunition to use against one in attack ads.

#36 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 10:25 AM:

The fact that both candidates have been declared to be the Antichrist allows Obama to add a new campaign slogan that might be very effective in some circles: Vote for the lesser of two Antichrists

#37 ::: JKRichard ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 10:28 AM:

Scott@32 I can dig up other google pages of folks who are actually serious about Obama being the anti-christ. I found one comment thread in a local paper (Oklahoma...) where several people towed that party line).

#38 ::: Steve C. ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 12:47 PM:

Man, every election year I watch the ads and the rhetoric and I think, "Nah, they've hit the nadir of purest bullshit. It just can't get any worse." And every time, I'm proven wrong.

My infallible crystal ball reveals that we've just seen the beginning of the crapfest.

#39 ::: Earl Cooley III ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 01:29 PM:

I have eaten government cheese, and liked it, very much; it was quite tasty. Given the chance to do so, I would eat it again, unapologetically and without remorse of any kind.

I realize that the bad guys could have used an Obama vote against FISA as evidence of unpatriotic tromping on the graves of the victims of 9/11 (instead of unpatriotic tromping on the beleaguered Bill of Rights). That doesn't mean I have to like it. Even not voting on it (the path McCain chose) would have been better. I figure that correcting FISA should be one of those "first 100 days" line items that President Obama needs to deal with to retain credibility with a big chunk of his supporters.

#40 ::: Lance Weber ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 02:48 PM:

Too bad Romney or Huckabee didn't get the nomination, it would have been fun to do a parody of the ad against one of those guys, featuring deep voice-overs invoking the Heinlein Prophecies, references to the candidate as the incarnation of Nehemiah Scudder... *sigh*

#41 ::: Spherical Time ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 03:27 PM:

I do enjoy the fact that LeHaye denies that Obama is the Antichrist because he's not from Romania. As if any further proof was required that he considers his own books prophetic.

#42 ::: Jörg Raddatz ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 04:09 PM:

Spherical Time @ 41
Isn't his main argument that the AC will come from an insignificant part of the world, so it cannot be the US, it must bei Romania.
While I abviously accept that the US are vastly more influential politically, economically and culturally; this somehow really annoys me. And I don't even have any personal ties to Romania at all.

Oh, and regarding peculiar religion-influenced worldviews: I just found this map of Pangaea with lots of cute dinosaurs (but no sodomy), horned-helm vikings, Russian dolls and (quote) "Negros" - and the designation where Ham, Shem and Japheth lived. Apparently it is meant for children:

http://www.teachinghearts.org/dr0imappangea4.gif

#43 ::: Raphael ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 04:48 PM:

But, but- has there been any Obama speech that consisted mostly of reading lists in alphabetical order so far?

Scott @ 13: I guess from the McCain campaign's point of view, the nice thing about the ad that viewers with rapture beliefs can take in the subtle hints about the Antichrist, while other viewers can just, like you, interpret it as a (wannabe) snarky satire on the enthusiasm Obama generates.

#44 ::: G D Townshende ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 06:18 PM:

One nutty thing about this "anti-christ" nonsense is that many within the Evangelical community fail to realize that the term itself appears in the Bible only five times, and never in the book of Revelation. In every passage in which it appears, John uses it in a very lexicographical sort of way, "If you do thus-and-so, then you are anti-christ" or "If you think/believe thus-and-so, then you are anti-christ." Further, not once is it used in direct reference to one specific person. Christ made passing reference to the idea, but never used the actual term, when he told his disciples, "He who is not against me, is for me."

The whole Hollywood-esque-atology put forth by LaHaye, Jenkins, and others is pure, speculative pablum. Where they get the idea that the Bible teaches the anti-christ will come out of some obscure place (like Romania) is beyond me. I'd like to see them quote chapter and verse on that one!

That the 666/anti-christ nonsense continues to be bandied about (politically or religiously) is just further proof that these whackos have no interest in teaching the truth to those who listen to them. When I used to attend church regularly, I never once heard anyone make reference to, or even try to explain the footnote found in some Bibles that some manuscripts have 616 in them, and not 666. I suppose the thinking is that if you ignore it, it'll go away.

#45 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 06:19 PM:

Y'know, I read Slacktivist, and I read Making Light, and sometimes--some threads--I just forget which one I'm reading.

#46 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 06:32 PM:

Of course, there's also the fascinating entry for Obama in Conservapædia (which I won't link), beginning with his alleged birth in Honolulu, and degenerating from there. It includes a fine example of the ecological fallacy, and some wonderful examples of special pleading and apodeictic assertion.

#47 ::: Fourthseven ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 07:17 PM:

I, like Kirby @ 16, have encountered this one "in the wild." Three separate times now, in fact, and never in an even slightly joking manner.* Most recently, I was asked why I was bringing the Antichrist's book** into this person's house.

The most maddening thing about this idea, though, is that you can't kill it. Any positive thing about Obama is more proof of Antichristness. And, they don't even abide by their own Scripture-interpreting rules, but conveniently ignore previously held "truths" about the Antichrist.

Man, am I depressed for America (and especially Oklahoma) now.

*Yes, I'm from Oklahoma and was raised fundamentalist, so my drawing well (friends and family) is a bit skewed. Still, it was very depressing when a friend who I thought long past this crap asked me quite seriously whether I thought Obama was Antichrist. (Not to mention the depression of my sister asking me, with other siblings agreeing).

**Dreams From My Father.

#48 ::: Lizzy L ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 09:08 PM:

Fourthseven, surely it's heartening that they were asking you what you thought -- it suggests that they were not certain. Or maybe not.

#49 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 09:49 PM:

Sometimes the question "Do you think [x]" isn't a genuine indication of interest in an answer. Sometimes what it really means is, or is an introduction to the speaker saying, "I think [x]--don't you?" or "You should think [x]".

Depends on tone and context, of course.

#50 ::: Joy ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 09:56 PM:

I've been trying to smack this one down on christianforums for some time. Usually it's done in the cowardly way where they say that Obama reminds them of the Nicolae character in the Left Behind books; when you call them on it, they say, "I didn't say he was the antichrist, I just said he reminded me of a character in a book." But the damage is done. A lot will also say they find him "scary" but I haven't been able to tell yet whether that is a euphemism for "I fear he is the antichrist" or "he's black."

#51 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 10:08 PM:

Nicole @ #45: same here.

Re the actual thread topic: this is another one of those situations in which "the door of a bigoted mind opens outwards so that the only result of the pressure of facts upon it is to close it more snugly." (Ogden Nash, "Seeing Eye to Eye is Believing")

#52 ::: Jen Roth ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 10:21 PM:

Joy: "I haven't been able to tell yet whether that is a euphemism for "I fear he is the antichrist" or "he's black.""

If he weren't black, I don't think the smears about his being the antichrist*, or a secret radical Muslim, or not really an American citizen** would have gotten the traction that they have.

* Is Barack Obama the Anti-Christ?

** They're starting a new round of this one, too.

#53 ::: Dr Paisley ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 10:50 PM:

This isn't new, folks. That thread started on August 6, 2004, and has 1790 comments, the latest being yesterday.

Bryan @ 15 gets it exactly right.

#54 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 10:55 PM:

Jorg, #42, and the little Russian dolls are called Mongoloid. Erk. Backing up in the URL, it turns out to be the page of a woman who is a seventh-day adventist. She wants people to use her bible study lessons. And I see you've violated her link policy! Tsk!

Has anybody else taken the Pick Your Brain survey about Obama on the ad side? I am clearly not very good at noticing thin lips vs. thick lips, for example. I wonder what the results will be.

#55 ::: albatross ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 11:03 PM:

Am I the only one who heard the parallel rumor about Ronald Reagan, inferring deep (and infernal) significance to the 6 letters in each of his first, middle, and last names? I must have heard that 20 times as a kid, from different people.

The "Obama as Messiah" meme I've seen all over the net, pretty clearly responding to his charisma and the enthusiasm of a lot of his followers. I've never seen anyone take it as having a religious meaning at all.

But this is lovely. So Obama, who (I've heard it on the net, it must be true) is an atheist Muslim Jewish member of a radical black Christian church, is also the antichrist? There's something just breathtaking about the shotgun approach to smears being taken here.

Next week on Youtube: Obama and Area 51: What They Don't Want You to Know

#56 ::: Jen Roth ::: (view all by) ::: August 10, 2008, 11:07 PM:

albatross, I heard the one about Reagan when I was a kid, but only from people who thought the 666 thing was funny. Were there people who really believed that one?

#57 ::: G D Townshende ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 01:56 AM:

Albatross @ 55: "Am I the only one who heard the parallel rumor about Ronald Reagan, inferring deep (and infernal) significance to the 6 letters in each of his first, middle, and last names?"

I don't recall if anyone ever took that seriously or not, but I do remember it. It was based on a misreading of the text in Revelation regarding 666... "and he provides athat no one should be able to buy or to sell, escept the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME..." (Rev. 13.17)

I mentioned in my comment @ #44: "When I used to attend church regularly, I never once heard anyone make reference to, or even try to explain the footnote found in some Bibles that some manuscripts have 616 in them, and not 666."

Here's an example of what I mean. Thomas Nelson, Inc., in the New King James Version, does not have a footnote re: 666 in Revelation 13.18. In their New American Standard Bible, however, you find this: "Some mss. read 616". Oxford University Press, in their New Revised Standard Version (with Apocrypha), have this footnote: "Other ancient authorities read six hundred sixteen".

One of the better explanations I've heard regarding 666 vs. 616 was put forth by a Presbyterian pastor in South Carolina. Letters in the ancient Hebrew and Latin alphabets doubled as numbers. He pointed out that the name Nero Caesar, transliterated into Hebrew, added up to 666 when the corresponding values of the letters were totaled. When the corresponding values of the Latin letters were added up, it came to 616. Thus, he was an advocate of the idea that John was referring to Nero in that passage, and that copies of the manuscript sent to Hebrews had the number 666, while those sent to Roman Christians had the number 616. (Many put the date of the writing of Revelation during the reign of Domitian, 86-91 AD, but this gent obviously puts it during the reign of Nero, 54-68 AD. As I recall, he felt there was sufficient internal evidence within Revelation to support this belief.)

Ancient peoples whose alphabets doubled as numbers had the practice of taking their name, or the name of another, and adding up the corresponding values to find the "number" of their name. The practice was common enough that it sometimes resulted in graffiti in that might read something like, "I love 327."

#58 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 05:14 AM:

Ancient leetspeak!

Fred Clark's exploratory dissection of the Left Behind books is brilliant and frightening. It provided a frame of reference for a lot of weird, disturbing things that I had encountered throughout my life but never understood. There is a certain subset of American Christians who hate this world, want it gone, and look forward to running the next one. And they have the ear of the White House. There is a larger subset who follow the preaching of the first group without considering the implications; this is helped by a religious upbringing that basically primes the listener for emotional appeals and dog whistles.

The worst part of the LB mindset as far as Obama's campaign is concerned is the assumption that any charismatic political figure who preaches peace is really eager to sow chaos, enslave the populace, and slaughter millions of innocents. Any peace. At all.

#59 ::: Dave Lartigue ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 08:47 AM:

I realize that religious tests are unconstitutional, but I would be willing to have one anyway: if you truly believe in the "Antichrist", you don't get to vote.

To show it's not strictly aimed at disenfranchising Christians, I would also add the Tooth Fairy and Alien Reptile Tony Blair to the list of things you won't be allowed to believe in and also vote, even though I'm willing to look at the evidence for the latter.

#60 ::: Leigh Butler ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 12:35 PM:

I remember the first time I read Michael Stackpole's Pulling Report it blew my mind that there were people out there capable of swallowing crap like this whole.

Stackpole still, in my mind, has the best explanation of why these people are the way they are:

One of the most dangerous aspects of a magical world view is that it repopulates our world with demons that can force us to do things we do not want to do. As a result, adults no longer have to accept responsibility for themselves or their unruly children. Whereas the line, “The devil made me do it,” brought laughs twenty years ago, now it is seen as a defense for murder, an excuse for suicide and a shelter from blame for a host of other crimes.

Worst of all, this magical world view brings with it a fanatical self-righteousness that slops over into accusations of diabolical duplicity when it is questioned. Doubting the existence of Satanism and a conspiracy is not just doubting the evidence for the same. It is not just doubting the word of a witness concerning sacrifices of which one can find no trace. Within the magical world view, the mere act of doubting becomes an act of treason against God. To question the existence of a worldwide Satanic conspiracy means the skeptic is either a high ranking member of that conspiracy out to spread disinformation, or a poor, pitiful, ignorant dupe of that conspiracy.

A magical world view enables a person to see relationships between things that do not exist. It invests power in things that cannot be controlled and, therefore, responsibility for actions does not have to be accepted. It creates around a believer a smug cocoon that insulates him from any fragment of reality that might disturb him. Finally, it puts everyone who dares challenge their beliefs in the camp of the Enemy in some cosmic struggle between good and evil.

In reality, a person questioning the existence of the Satanic conspiracy is merely pointing out that the emperor is wearing no clothes. In that case, one can understand why the emperor’s tailors get upset and suggest the person doing the pointing is a tool of the devil. Then the question comes down to one of whether the crowd will believe the evidence they have before them, or if they will buy into the tailors’ fantasies.

Makes me shiver, it does.

#61 ::: Dora ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 12:38 PM:

GDT @57: Depending on your choice of spelling, you can get 616 from Nero Caesar in Hebrew too (נרו קסר is 616, נרון קסר is 666).

The website I am using to help me sum up is pointing out, helpfully, that "Bob Marley is the devil" in Hebrew also adds up to 666.

#62 ::: G D Townshende ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 01:15 PM:

Dora, numerology has my first name add up to a 6 (15 = 1 + 5 = 6), my middle name add up to a 6 (24 = 2 + 4 = 6), and my surname add up to a 6 (33 = 3 + 3 = 6). Therefore, I'm insulted that anyone would think that Obama is the anti-christ when it is patently clear that I am! Mwahahaha!

#63 ::: G D Townshende ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 01:16 PM:

Also, the spelling of Nero that I had read about adding up to 666 was, transliterated into English, Neron Kesar, if memory serves.

#64 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 01:20 PM:

Dora #61 What website is that?

#65 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 01:28 PM:

Isn't it important that McCain is of the line of Cain? Blood will tell, you know.

#66 ::: Earl Cooley III ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 02:48 PM:

Lots of people still believe that the Mark of Cain is dark skin (supposedly justifying slavery, segregation and a spectrum of other discriminatory practices). I don't remember where I heard it, but I've also heard it described as a Tree of Life forehead tattoo (that might have been a movie version), or simply a quick temper. Some people in the 12/21/2012 apocalypse camp are creepily leery of Obama, too.

#67 ::: Josh Jasper ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 03:43 PM:

Obama to announce VP choice via text

Rapture nutcases take note:

After signing up at my.barackobama.com/vp, "You will receive an email the moment Barack makes his decision, or you can text VP to 62262 to receive a text message on your mobile phone," Plouffe says.

The three twos add up to another six - 666 - which means that Obama is the antichrist!

#68 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 08:11 PM:

Hmmph. I'm not even Christian (and never was), and I was saying years ago that Shrub was a fairly good match for the Anti-Christ. He's brought out three of the Four Horsemen... he hasn't yet managed a proper pestilence, though not for lack of willful neglect.

#69 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: August 11, 2008, 09:42 PM:

It seems to me that if you're [generic you] going to be adding up number-values for letters, you ought to take it all the way to single-digit sums.

JMO.

#70 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 01:49 AM:

Jenny Islander @ 38

there is a certain subset of American Christians who hate this world, want it gone, and look forward to running the next one

Doesn't that come from the Christian doctrine that the world we know is only a test of our faith, and that only the next life is important?

any charismatic political figure who preaches peace is really eager to sow chaos, enslave the populace, and slaughter millions of innocents. Any peace. At all.

See, now, as an outsider, this confuses me. How do people who believe this square the belief with what would seem to me to be one of the central tenets of their religion: that Jesus was the Prince of Peace?


#71 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 04:30 AM:

Bruce Cohen #70:

Doesn't that come from the Christian doctrine that the world we know is only a test of our faith, and that only the next life is important?

That isn't actually bedrock Christian doctrine, as prevalent as it may seem sometimes. The essential doctrine is that the world was created good, life is meant to be enjoyed, and we are intended for joy--it's just that sin has stained the picture. On the other hand, while we are to enjoy the here and now, this life is also eternally important because it's what we do here that shapes what we become when we leave (to use a modern image) this bubble of space-time. It isn't the next life we go to. It's the next stage of the same life.

any charismatic political figure who preaches peace is really eager to sow chaos, enslave the populace, and slaughter millions of innocents. Any peace. At all.

See, now, as an outsider, this confuses me. How do people who believe this square the belief with what would seem to me to be one of the central tenets of their religion: that Jesus was the Prince of Peace?

By ignoring most of the Bible and rearranging the rest in a way that purports to provide a precise calendar of events for the end of the world. This is the bad exegesis that underlies the heresies expressed in Left Behind. It is not, repeat NOT, what "the Bible says." Unless you use scissors and glue on your Bible first. The man who laid out the calendar was not a trained theologian, IIRC, which doesn't matter to the aforementioned true believers because theology, to them, is not the Queen of the Sciences but a temptation of Satan. No kidding. Another bedrock belief of this group is that "The Bible says" only one thing, ever, and anybody who reads any approved* translation with a truly receptive spirit will get it, so that anybody who disagrees with what "the Bible says" is denying Christ. Hence no theology or any other form of critical thinking about the Bible. Basically the precursors of the current generation cut themselves off from two thousand years of Christian thought and laid themselves open to any demagogue or con man who could mouth the right phrases. This is helped by a third belief widespread in this group, that feeling a strong emotion means that the Spirit is moving in one's soul. There is also a fourth belief--a heresy, actually--that America is the Chosen Nation or even the Kingdom of Heaven incarnate. Imagine what a cynical person can do when presented with millions of people who are tied to the reins of these beliefs. No, don't waste your time imagining it; just turn on the news.

Fred Clark's articles about LB and the mindset behind it, BTW, are indexed here:

http://exharpazo.blogspot.com/2007/01/index-to-slactivists-left-behind.html


*In some groups, only the King James Version is approved. That is, any other Bible is inaccurate at best and Satanic at worst. I am not kidding.

#72 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 10:05 AM:

Albatross @ 55: So Obama, who (I've heard it on the net, it must be true) is an atheist Muslim Jewish member of a radical black Christian church, is also the antichrist?

Well, only someone with the power of the antichrist would be able to make all of that stuff true at once. Hence the conclusion is derived from the premises. It's like resolving the inconsistencies and errors in the Bible by declaring them Mysteries and proof of God's omnipotence.

#73 ::: Dora ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 03:12 PM:

G D Townshende @63:

Also, the spelling of Nero that I had read about adding up to 666 was, transliterated into English, Neron Kesar, if memory serves.

Yup, that's the one.

Fragano Ledgister @64:

What website is that?

I was using www.c2kb.com/gematria (it's in Hebrew).

#74 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 07:01 PM:

Dora #73: Drat, I was hoping it would be in English (but suspecting that it would be in Hebrew). A friend of mine would have found it both interesting, and relevant to her academic work.

#75 ::: miriam beetle ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 08:56 PM:

joel,

Well, only someone with the power of the antichrist would be able to make all of that stuff true at once.

i'll give it a try. it was "an atheist Muslim Jewish member of a radical black Christian church," right?

well, judaism & islam are both religions that you can be born into, as well as converting into. but judaism is matrilineal, & islam is patrilineal. so if he had a jewish mother & a muslim father, he would, in a manner of speaking, be both muslim & jewish. you stay a jew no matter what you do, according to judaism, so a jew can emphatically be an atheist (i don't know if islam holds the same way).

& then, when he joined the radical black church, he maybe didn't let on that he's an atheist muslim jew, so they let him become a member. simple (unless i'm wrong about the muslim stance on freedom of conscience, or unless these conditions contradict some necessary condition of being the antichrist).

none of this is true of barack obama, of course (except for possibly the muslim father part?), but it *could* be true of somebody.

#76 ::: Lizzy L ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 10:05 PM:

miriam beetle, is it true that, as you say, you stay a jew no matter what you do, according to judaism? I have a personal stake in the issue: I'm a Catholic (convert), my immediate family religious background is atheist (not going to go into it here, but it has made for some interesting family conversations, as you can imagine) but my family is Jewish, both sides, and it is an identification and a connection I feel keenly and would never repudiate. I have Orthodox friends who've said, flatly, "If your mother is Jewish, you're Jewish," and other Orthodox friends who've said, flatly, "Once you convert, you are no longer a Jew." I'd love to know your thoughts.

#77 ::: miriam beetle ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 10:25 PM:

lizzy,

yes. it's learned out from the talmudic verse which goes, (i'm sure someone will come along & correct my translation* as well as know where exactly this verse is) "a jew, even if he sins, remains a jew." according to my source, it was rashi in the middle ages who first said "sins" applies also to converting out of judaism.

this is what i was taught growing up (modern orthodox), & as far as i know it is the mainstream belief in all denominations of judaism.


* which i found in jewish humor, which is the first book i could think of that i own which refers to it. less than scholarly, i know, but it was written by an orthodox rabbi.

#78 ::: Lizzy L ::: (view all by) ::: August 12, 2008, 10:30 PM:

miriam beetle, thank you. It's quite important to me. If there is anyone hanging out here who can source this verse I'd love to know it.

#79 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 10:32 AM:

77, 78: There appears to be a verse in Deuteronomy 7:3-4 that was the basis for Rashi's commentary, but that's all I can find at this point.

As a non-religious* Jew from a Reform/Conservative family (on my mother's side), I can say that at least in our area I'm still a Jew.

*I'm carrying on a fine family tradition of non-religiousness. My father claims to have given up church for Lent (out of an Irish Catholic family), and my mother's parents didn't keep kosher.**

**He also makes sure to eat a ham sandwich*** with a glass of beer for Easter/Passover/Eid/etc., just to offend every possible religion he can think of.

***After all, who could pass up a good excuse for a yummy bacon or ham sandwich? With home made mustard on a good bread?

#80 ::: Jim Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 12:26 PM:

so if he had a jewish mother & a muslim father, he would, in a manner of speaking, be both muslim & jewish.

This reminds me of David ben Mohammed O'Shaughnessy.

#81 ::: Raphael ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 01:34 PM:

miriam beetle @75 well, judaism & islam are both religions that you can be born into, as well as converting into. but judaism is matrilineal, & islam is patrilineal.

Are you sure about Islam? I thought adults are only seen as Muslims if they have said the Shahadah and meant it seriously, no matter who their parents were.

#82 ::: G D Townshende ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 02:02 PM:

Dora @73: What's the other spelling that adds up to 616?

#83 ::: G D Townshende ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 02:05 PM:

Transliterated into English, I mean. I don't read Hebrew, unfortunately. French and Portuguese, I'm okay. But Hebrew? Not so much.

#84 ::: miriam beetle ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 02:29 PM:

raphael,

Are you sure about Islam? I thought adults are only seen as Muslims if they have said the Shahadah and meant it seriously, no matter who their parents were.

i'm not sure. i was pretty sure you can have, you know, newborn babies who are muslim because of who their parents were, but it's possible it doesn't stick if you don't believe.

g d,

What's the other spelling that adds up to 616?

that would be nero kesar, without the extra nun (n).

#85 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 07:14 PM:

Ginger #79: Your father sounds like a friend of mine, a member of the First Church of Lapsed Catholics, for whom St Patrick's Day is a Holy Day of Obligation*.

* The obligation is to drink whiskey.

#86 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 07:16 PM:

Jim Macdonald #80 wrote: This reminds me of David ben Mohammed O'Shaughnessy.

Ah, yes, the most confused Protestant in Belfast.

#87 ::: Earl Cooley III ::: (view all by) ::: August 13, 2008, 07:24 PM:

Gitmo On The Platte

Not quite as ominous as plans for FEMA Happy Camps, but still, it's not for lack of trying.

#88 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: August 14, 2008, 07:28 AM:

Ginger @ 79

That ham sandwich needs to be more offensive (and your posting made me hungry).
Add a slice of cheese for additional anti-Koshreth points, a slice of roast beef just to really piss off Hindus, a slice of GMO tomato for the bio-Luddites.

#89 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: August 14, 2008, 09:28 AM:

Bruce @88: The ham, the meat during Lent, and the alcohol aren't offensive enough? OK, I'll mention the genetically-engineered beef to him. That should take care of the other major religions.

Fragano @ 85: Yes, that would be the same church, although my father is a lapsed Lapsed Catholic, as he doesn't drink whisky anymore.

#90 ::: Jon Meltzer ::: (view all by) ::: August 15, 2008, 10:55 AM:

LaHaye and Jenkins: Uh, no, he isn't...

#91 ::: Earl Cooley III ::: (view all by) ::: August 15, 2008, 03:03 PM:

Here's the Washington Post version: "Left Behind" Authors: Obama Not Antichrist

#92 ::: Nell ::: (view all by) ::: August 15, 2008, 06:39 PM:

As many comments above make clear (10, 26, 31) at least), the post should be corrected to:

... Slacktivist, Fred Clark, who has been doing a brilliant ana[ly]sis/takedown of the Left Behind series from the liberal evangelical Christian point of view, ...

#93 ::: dolloch ::: (view all by) ::: August 19, 2008, 06:29 PM:

Apparently, on McCain's site he's linking up the D&D crowd with Obama too, because everyone knows (from Chick Tracts) that gamer geeks are Satanists.

#94 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: August 25, 2008, 01:11 PM:

miriam beetle @ 75: islam is patrilineal.

I asked a Moslem colleague, and he told me that this is not the case, that being Moslem is strictly a matter of faith and not of heredity.

#95 ::: Joe ::: (view all by) ::: November 05, 2008, 10:50 PM:

Did anyone notice that the day of Obama's winning speech, Nov. 5, the Chicago Lotto came up as 666??

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Obnoxious comment spam posted from 65.54.98.106.

#97 ::: Tom Whitmore sees religious spam at #96 ::: (view all by) ::: May 01, 2009, 09:25 PM:

Quite long, too. It may not be commercial, but it's not conversation.

#98 ::: Rob Rusick ::: (view all by) ::: May 01, 2009, 09:44 PM:

RICHARD SCHURZ @96: Enclosed is a Bible study of the 7 Bible clues which reveal the identity of the coming antichrist of the Great Tribulation. Hoping for your comments and feedback.

If I decoded that properly, his name is RICHARD SCHURZ.

#99 ::: Rob Rusick ::: (view all by) ::: May 01, 2009, 09:46 PM:

Moderators, please be free to delete the previous comment if you delete the original comment...

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And the original comment was deleted between seeing it and posting the last two comments...

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and thinks @102 will be wonderfully destroyed.

#102 ::: Earl Cooley III ::: (view all by) ::: May 28, 2009, 04:27 AM:

Oh, man, to be a fly on the wall when King Juan Carlos find out he's been replaced....

#104 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: May 29, 2009, 05:50 PM:

Jim Macdonald @ 105... Do you mean THIS Moby Dick?

#105 ::: paschal ikeme ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 08:53 AM:

WHAT EXACTLY IS THE MARK 666?
INDEED IT IS THE NAME OF BARACK OBAMA, IN ARAMIC CALCULATION.
THIS IS THE MARK OF A WITCH, IT MEANS REJECT BY GOD AND NOT FOR HEAVENS BUT FOR EARTH.
BARACK OBAMA HAS EXISTEND BEFORE IN HEAVENS AN ANGEL WHICH IS REJECTED AS SATAN, HE HAS ALSO EXISTED INEGYT AS A PHARAOH OF EGYPT, NOW HE IS EXISTING AS THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT BARRACK HUSEIN OBAMA.
WHY 666, THEIS 666, MEANS SITTING ON THE GROUND AN CONFOUNDED AND THIS MEANS THAT THEY ARE RETCHED AND POOR SITTING ON THE GROUND. THESE ARE SOULS THAT ARE NOT MADE CLEAN BUT DIRTY EVEN WITH WOUNDS AND THIS IS POOR VERTY. JUST AS IT IS WRITEN, THAT THEY WILL BE BARE HEADED AND NECKED WITH SCARE OF WOND SINTING ON THE GROUND. THIS IS SIGN OF POORVERTY. THOSE SATANS WERE REJECTED AND THE EARTH IS CREATED AND THEY CAME HERE AND MADE ADAM AND HIS WIVE TO LOOSE THE SPIRIT AND GOT NECKED LIKE THEM, SO THAT THEY CAN ROUL THEM AND LIVE TOGETHER WITH THE NATION OF THE EARTH, BUT THEY ALSO DEMONISED THEM BUT GOD GOT ANGRY AND BUT THEM IN A DIFFERENT CODE OF LIFE WHICH IS CALLED HEATHEN, NOW THY CHOSE TO GET THE SOULS OF PEOPLE OUT AND DEMONISE THE BODY AND RULE IT BY THEMSELVES. THEY HAVE DOING THAT TO THE FIRST WORLD, AND THAT WAS WHY GOD DESTRYED THE FIRST WORLD, NOW THEY START AGAIN STILL DESTROYING SOULS OF PEOPLE TAKEN THEM OUT OF THEIR BODIES. AND DOMINATING THE BODIES AND MAKING TO BECOME WITCHES AND WIZARD USING THE TO DESTROY PEOPLE EVEN THEIR OWN FRIENDS AND FAMILLYS. THEREFORE THEY CUT OFF THEIR TWO HAND, WHEN EVER THEY BRING OUT THE SOULS. THAT IS WHAT THE WHITE EAGEL BARRACK OBAMA DOES, FOR HIS IS THE PRINCE OF THE THE WORLD EVEN THE WEST AND THE NORTH. HIS SIGN IS GREEN AND THAT IS THE SING OF THE DEMOCRAT. THEREFORE HE IS WHITE EAGLE. HE IS ALSO ONE WHO PRETENDS LIKE JESUS AND THEY DRAW HIS PHOTOGRAPHS AND WORSHIP THEM. WHICH IS CALLED THE IMAGES OF THE BEAST AND THIS IS WHAT THE CATHOLIC WORSHIP, THE JEHOVAH'S WITTINESS ALSO KEEP SOME OF THE IMAGE ON THEIR BOOKS BUT DOES NOT WORSHIP THEM, MORMON AS WELL. THEREFORE BARACK OBAMA SHOWS PHOTOS PRETENDING TO THE CATHOLIC, PRETENDING TO BE CHRIST BUT HE IS NOT. HE IS THE BEAST AND HE DEMONIZES THE WHOLE CATHOLICS WHEN THEY WORSHIP THOSE IMAGES,. HE IS THE ONE WHO MADE THE HEADS OF CATHOLIC WITCHES AND WIZARDS. THE OTHER MAN WAS SHOWING HIM AS THE DEMON THAT DEMONIZED,
HITTLER, THAT IS TRUE, BARACK OBAMA IS VERY INSPIRITING AND THAT IS TRUE. THOSE STRENGTH OF LANGUAGES IS GOD THAT GAVE IT TO HIM SINCE THERE IS ONE GOD OF CREATING AND INSPIRITING. We know that a demon can demonise, but the questing is if a demon's body can be demonize? If a demons body has a vacum which a house where another can stay either God or Satan ,then shall we say that satan can inspire Barrack obama, because he can demonize him, but since not we say that strength is given by God to achieve his purpose. If Barack obama can be give strenth by Satan, who give strength to Satan? Therefore every strength is GOD's given. That Barack obama is ispiriting we like it and praise GOD for such vertue in in him, but that he is offending towards rebelion but to remove the soul of the people, or show them nonsese images claming to be GOD JESUS WHEN HE IS NOT THEN WE ARE VERY DISAPOINTED OF HIM AND ARE VERY AGAINST SUCH BEHAVIOR. But that he forse people which is fool them and write his name on their bodies only because he know that the people are not strong and cannot defend themselves. WE ARE AGAINST HIM AND WILL STRUGGLE TO STOP SUCH A MAD BEHAVIOR. THIS IS BECAUSE HE CAME NOW PHYSICAL, BARACK OBAMA IS JUST A RAT, EVEN A SMALL POOR BOY WHO HAPPENS TO REACH THIS HIGHT GOING AROUND BEGGING VOTES, HE CANNOT GET THAT VOTES NOW AND STARTS OFFENDING THE PEOPLE, " I DO NOT CARE WHAT EVER HE MIGHT BE" OF CAUSE HE IS THE WIDE CART WHICH IS BUT A FANTOM, THAT HE IS CLAVER BUT THE LORD SHOWED THE BORN AGAIN SONS OF GOD AS A TYGER WHICH IS A LION. ON THE BODY OF THE CLOTHE OF GOD IS DRAWN THE HEADS OF TYGERS WHICH ARE LIONS, THEREFORE HE IS THE MIGHTY LION OF JUDA AND HIS SONS ARE YOUNG LIONS. FOR BARACK OBAMA TO RUN AROUND AND OFFEND PEOPLE THAT IS NOT GOOD. HE WAS DOING THAT IN DARKNESS, WHICH IS IN HEATHENS WE WERE NOT SEEING HIM, NOW HE HAS COME TO THE TRUTH EVEN IN THE LIGHT AND WE CANNOT TAKE SUCH. WHAT IS THE NEED OF TELLING THE PEOPLE TO WRITE HIS NAME ON THEIR BODIES EVEN 666. THAT IS JUST TO MAKE MAN A FOOL BEFORE GOD AND HIS ANGELS. HIS INTENTION IS TO MARK THE CATHOLIC ON THE FLESH 666, BUT THIS IS NONSENSE AND GOD SAID HE SHOULD NOT DO THAT I WORNED HIM TOO NOT TO DO SUCH FOOLISH ACT. Now if you have written 6.6.6. on your body, and you are a witch, it does not matter, just go and recive the baptism of Jesus, remove the tatus of 6.6.6. and go to the penticostal church, God will forgive yu. And you are born again. God is not God of law, rather he is God our father the God of love and the Jesus YAWE. AFTER ALL REPARRING YOUR SOUL WHICH HAS MUCH WOUND WHICH GOD HAS BEEN DOING FOR EVERY BODY HERE IS GREATER THAN FORGIVING RITTING OF 6.6.6 ON YOUR BODY. THE CATHOLIC IMAGES WE HAVE BEEN WORSHIPPING THAT IS ALSO THE SAME 6.6.6. THE THINGS WE BUY IN THE MARKET ARE ALSO WRITTEN WITH COMPUTER NUMBER 6.6.6. THIS HAS NO MEANING. THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU GO AND RECIVE BAPTISM OF JESUS AND GET BORN AGAIN. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, AND YOU CANNOT AFFORT TO DENAY HIM, BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE WHO MADE YOU. IF BARACK OBAMA WANTS TO MAKE HIS OWN CREATION, HE SHOULD RATHER DO THAT THAN WRITTING HIS NAME ON THE BODY OF CHILDREN OF GOD. GOD IS A WISE GOD, HE DID HE IS A MAN AND HIS IS JESUS! VERY WISE INDEED, HE CANNOT BECAUSE BARACK OBAMA WROTE HIS NAME ON YOUR BODY GIVE YOU AS A GIFT TO BARACK OBAMA, AND REFUSE YOU TO GET BORN AGAIN, THEREFORE LET THAT AND GO AND GET BORN AGAIN BEFORE YOU E NTER INTO THE OFFENCES OF GOD AS A FOOLISH MAN WHO REFUSES TO LEARN AND THEN HE WILL SAY YOU REJECTED HIM. We all know the effort a man goes through before he born a child and train them too.I can also remember when Barack obama himself said, " I remember when I and Michella my wife were trying surffering looking for money to train our child in the university." you see that. Therefore GOD SPENT MUCH EFFORT BEFORE HE COULD MAKE ALL THESE THINGS, AND MANKIND ALSO SPENDS MUCH EFFORT BEFORE WE BORN CHILDREN AND TRAIN THEM. I THINK IN THE WHOLE EFFORT, THE GREATEST POWER AND THE MOTHER AND FATHER OF EVERY POWER GOD WILL NOT GIVE FREE THIS WORK TO BARACK OBAMA ONLY BECAUSE HE WROTE THE HIS NAME ON THEIR BODIES.
THERE IS ANOTHER BEAST WHICH IS RED EAGEL, THAT ONE IS IN CHARGE OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE SOUTH, AND EAST. IT IS ALSO INCHARGE OF THE MOSLEM AND AFRICAN TRADITION. BOTH THATONE IS MORE DESTRUCTIVE AND REBELIOUS BUT NOT A BIT CALM LIKE THE WHITE EAGELS BARACK OBAMA. IT GETS SOULS OF MEN OUT OF THE BODY AND BURRIES IT IN THE CAVES TO GET COMPELETLY DEATROYED, HE IS NOT A GOOD RULER BUT VERY AGRESSIVE AND THIS IS WHY THE MOSLEMS ARE MAKING ALL THE SUISIDE BOMBING, AND THIS IS WHY AFRICA IS SO BAD AND IT IS FILLED UP OF HATRED. BUT THAT BARACK OBAMA IS A BIT MILED, JUST AS THE STOMACK OF THE BEAST IS WHITE. BUT THE BODY IS BLACK. THE BODY IS BLACK BECAUSE OF HEAVEN, HE IS BAD, OF THE EARTH HE IS GENTLE TOWRDS GOVERNACE. THE ONLY INDIGINATION HAE HAS IS AGAINST PEOPLE OF GOD. THIS IS WHY HE IS CALLED THE ANTICHRIST.
THIS IS THE MESSAGE.
THANK YOU.

#106 ::: TexAnne sees a screed ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 08:56 AM:

DILUTE! DILUTE! ALL-ONE!

Except much less coherent.

#107 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 09:06 AM:

Darn caps lock.

#108 ::: Jim Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 09:13 AM:

Only going to leave one copy of that....

#109 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 09:18 AM:

Oh, right, I killed it.

I'll put one of the others back, then...

#110 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 10:21 AM:

Why leave one copy of it? I don't understand. I would have expected, at most, to see its consonants (and them converted to lowercase).

This is a question, not a criticism.

#111 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 10:30 AM:

Why leave one copy of it? I don't understand. I would have expected, at most, to see its consonants (and them converted to lowercase).

This is a question, not a criticism.

#112 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 10:36 AM:

Xopher #112: Entertainment value, I guess.

#113 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 10:47 AM:

Xopher @ 112 -- Well, it's definitely on-topic, and a lovely example.

A Google search on "paschal ikeme" turns up some interesting stuff. I think we might have the genuine article there.

#114 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 11:18 AM:

Joel #115: Interestingly, that search brings up this video about an interview with a Hutaree member. It's unclear why it showed up, though: The Google entry includes part of an apparent quote from him, but that doesn't appear in the article. Possibly a deleted comment?

#115 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 11:40 AM:

If you look at the cached version of that page from the Google search, the relevant comments appear under "Recent Comments". Here's a direct link to them.

#116 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 11:45 AM:

Ah, I think I see: the "Recent comments" is for the entire blog, not necessarily for the current item, so there's an apparent mismatch -- the "antichrist" comments showed up on a page with the Hutaree content.

#117 ::: Jacque ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 12:45 PM:

TexAnne @108: No soap radio?

#118 ::: LDR ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 12:57 PM:

Please leave it up. It has a certain sweeping grandeur. I especially like "BUT THAT BARACK OBAMA IS A BIT MILED." If I was him, I'd be miled too.

#119 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 01:43 PM:

#118: Aha, thanks Joel!

#120 ::: Cadbury Moose ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2010, 02:02 PM:

Jaque at #119

No, only torque radio, for twisting the facts and winding people up.

#121 ::: Ginger sees SPAM ::: (view all by) ::: May 09, 2010, 07:28 AM:

on Obama 666..

#122 ::: OtterB sees possible spam ::: (view all by) ::: June 08, 2011, 09:25 PM:

No posting history, name links to a website I didn't go check out

#123 ::: Earl sees peachy keen spam ::: (view all by) ::: April 26, 2012, 03:34 AM:

Unsavory linkage.

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