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January 18, 2009

Nobody living can ever stop me
Posted by Patrick at 04:25 PM * 132 comments

Okay, I admit it, my heart skipped a beat when I realized that Pete Seeger was really going to sing the whole song, including the “controversial” verse:

There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me;
The sign was painted, it said private property;
But on the back side it didn’t say nothing;
That side was made for you and me.

In front of 750,000 people at the Lincoln Memorial, including the President-elect.

That was pretty cool.

Comments on Nobody living can ever stop me:
#1 ::: xeger ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 04:51 PM:

Damn. Now I'm thinking there's gotta be a live feed I can follow somewhere...

#2 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 04:55 PM:

Link ungeb0rkified.

Sounds like quite a party.

#3 ::: Laurel Krahn ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 04:56 PM:

The concert is on again tonight in primetime and late night on HBO (and HBO is free this weekend from most cable & dish companies). 7pm and 11:30pm Eastern time.

It will also be available on the HBO website ( http://www.hbo.com/weareone/ ) at those times.

#4 ::: Juli Thompson ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 05:04 PM:

That link doesn't work for me. It goes to a "url not found" page, from which you can click through to the blogs front page, which will get you the article.

And yes, I was delighted when Pete started that verse.

#5 ::: Juli Thompson ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 05:05 PM:

You know, when I typed that comment, it was true. Just ignore it.

#6 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 05:28 PM:

NPR streamed it live; they may have a podcast available. (Checks. Nope, no archived edition available, their site says). But they do have a photo gallery.

#7 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 05:32 PM:

HBO has archived it for streaming here if your cable company hasn't made it available for free.

#8 ::: Elliott Mason ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 05:38 PM:

Note: the HBO's website only works if you have a Windows machine.

#9 ::: Jeff Hentosz ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 05:44 PM:

@8: It will work on a Mac if you have Flip4Mac (a WindowsMedia plug-in for QuickTime) installed. A link is provided on the HBO site.

#10 ::: Penh ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 05:44 PM:

Apart from my gratitude to Pete Seeger for including that verse, I'd like to thank Mojo Nixon for singing that verse and the "relief office" verse AND "this land belongs to you and me" in his version, so I could understand that the song wasn't the sappy "America rocks" bore I learned in grade school. Let's hope this performance moves more people to realize that the song is about a lot more than pretty scenery.

#11 ::: Hilary Hertzoff ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 05:59 PM:

My heart skipped a beat when I read this post and I suddenly realized just how much hope I have for America's future.

I can't think of a better start to Obama's presidency than this.

#12 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 06:01 PM:

Listened to the whole concert, most of it while walking the dog on the first really nice day out there in a long time.

Fucking A.

#13 ::: xeger ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 06:59 PM:

Note: HBO claims the stream will only work in the US and territories.

#14 ::: PurpleGirl ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 07:10 PM:

Pete Seeger is a national treasure. I heard him sing the whole song in September 2001 when he performed at the Opening Meeting (annual kick-off rally) for the volunteers of the organization I worked for (Learning Leaders, formerly the NYC School Volunteer Program). Our keynote speaker that year was Laura Bush. I'd never heard that verse before and he spoke about it before singing it. It was a something. I can't say if LB reacted to it, but it was quite a moment.

#15 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 07:43 PM:

YouTube: Seeger and Springsteen today.

#16 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 07:46 PM:

Bless Pete Seeger. My heart skipped a beat too.

#17 ::: Jackie L. ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 08:13 PM:

I've seen Pete in concert with Arlo Guthrie a couple of times. I suppose, though, Arlo* would have been a bit much even for Obama.

I am so happy and excited about this election.


*Even though his dad did write the song.

#18 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 08:44 PM:

Jackie @ #17, I dunno, I can imagine Arlo doing Steve Goodman's "City of New Orleans" for this show pretty easily. It would have been appropriate for reminding people of Katrina, too.

#19 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 08:48 PM:

Actually, if I recall correctly, Arlo Guthrie endorsed Ron Paul.

#20 ::: Lin D ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 08:49 PM:

thanks for the info. I just finished watching the HBO replay! Absolutely awesome. wow

#21 ::: Don Fitch ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 08:56 PM:

There are two lacks I've never noticed in Pete Seeger -- he's always had Vision, and Courage. Mr. Obama ... I'm not so sure about, but at least still have hopes for.

#22 ::: ginny ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 09:31 PM:

Read this post and comments on the iPhone as we drove back from dinner with friends, walked in the house, turned on the TV, and caught the tail end of Obama's speech, and then Bruce, Pete, and Tao walked out on stage. What a thrill... And now I've just re-watched it again on YouTube.

Wasn't that a time!

#23 ::: Heather Rose Jones ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 09:35 PM:

Jeff @9

Alas, although the page claimed that downloading Flip4Mac would do the trick, I did so and it only resulted in the message "this video will not play with Flip4Mac". I'm a bit peeved, but I suppose it'll turn up on DVD eventually. (Having quit cable, I was also out that option, but that's my own choice.)

#24 ::: Stevey-Boy ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 09:36 PM:

Wow. That choked me up. Typing with tears in my eyes.

I hope we're not expecting too much.

#25 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 09:56 PM:

I suppose it is very wrong of me that my first reaction to the thread title was "But no living man am I!"

But I'm really really looking forward to Tuesday.

#26 ::: John Mark Ockerbloom ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 10:20 PM:

I couldn't get Flip4Mac to play the show on Firefox, but when I tried it on Safari, I got to see some of it (at least until it started trying to buffer, and then things went south).

At which point I gave up and just watched the Youtube This Land recording.

I was glad to hear Pete still has enough of a voice to call out the words.

#27 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 10:25 PM:

Watching the HBO.COM showing.

#24: "I hope we're not expecting too much."

Obama could be merely competent and we would be much better off.

#28 ::: Jeff Hentosz ::: (view all by) ::: January 18, 2009, 11:02 PM:

Heather@23: I just tried it (10:50 pm EST) and it worked fine. Safari 3 on Leopard. Took a minute to buffer, but...

#29 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 12:44 AM:

HBO bought the rights to show the concert from the Presidential Inauguration Committee. They sold rights for other parts to specific parties, too.

#30 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 01:33 AM:

Wow, wow, wow. As a friend just commented, "What would Martin Luther King have said if someone told him that Pete Seeger would sing that song at the inauguration of a Black President?"

#31 ::: Paula Helm Murray ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 01:43 AM:

I made sure that my insomniac self was on the right channel at 10:30 p.m.

Oh. My. Ghod. That was wonderful. I'm still a little teary and very, very happy.

That is all for now. Maybe it's a Good Thing I'm not working, I thinking I can find a live feed for the inauguration.

#32 ::: Epacris ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 02:56 AM:

Noon in Washington is 4am Wednesday in Sydney, ranging to 7am on the 21st in Perth. Despite this, many TV & Radio stations will be broadcasting the inauguration live.

That's usual for the Olympics, Test matches, other big sporty things, Academy Awards, Eurovision, maybe a royal wedding or major disaster. I don't think it's happened before for a POTUS inauguration, not on the major commercial or public broadcasters.

#33 ::: Michael Roberts ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 10:32 AM:

Xeger @13 - you have no idea how much of a win it is that they append "and territories" on there. The Discovery Channel and Travelocity still maintain that we don't live in the United States.

#34 ::: Vicki ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 11:28 AM:

If Obama—or anyone—was worried about Arlo Guthrie being "too much," he wouldn't have had Pete Seeger up there. Pete Seeger was blacklisted after he took the First Amendment when HUAC asked about his political affiliations. Pete was singing and working against the Vietnm War just as much as Arlo.

#35 ::: JESR ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 12:04 PM:

I had, as my fannish associates put it, my squee badly harshed when I realized that HBO didn't air Bishop Robinson's invocation which I think was as good a prayer for the occassion as anyone could want.

But, man, Pete Seeger. With Bruce. Dayum. If anyone who has kept the spark of freedom alive with their voice, over the years, it's old Pete.

#36 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 12:19 PM:

JESR, thanks for the pointer. That was a magnificent prayer; too bad HBO thought it was unfit for us to hear.

#37 ::: sara_k ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 12:21 PM:

JESR at #35

Though the report says the masses didn't hear Robinson's prayer, we heard it. The sound was very low but the whole crowd fell silent and we could hear. Then about halfway through the sound popped up, we cheered, and then we listened again. It was a wonderful prayer and there was a murmur of appreciation when he reminded us that Obama is a man not a messiah.

We were halfway down the Washington Monument hill towards the reflecting pool.

I especially enjoyed Pete Seeger. I was in high school before I knew that was an American song. In Kenya we had our own version.

#38 ::: Vicki ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 12:31 PM:

Sara_K @ 37:

In the Kenyan version, what are the place names? I don't know what other things would be changed, but I assume "From California to the New York island" is replaced by Kenyan references.

Also, I expect Woody Guthrie was pleased, if he knew/if the Kenyan version existed while he was alive to hear about it.

#39 ::: John Stanning ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 12:46 PM:

Um... what's that 'controversial verse' supposed to mean? Private property shouldn't exist? Private property is bad in 'this land'? Property is theft? (who said that?) Communism?
Why's it good that Seeger sang that verse?
Just askin'

#40 ::: rams ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 12:51 PM:

Yo, knitters! What about Pete's amazing cap? Looked like a rainbow version of a French Liberty cap (who, me, project?) One point for whoever finds its source, ten points for a pattern. (Allons enfants de la Raverly!)

And, to an earlier comment, of course we're expecting too much. It's our job to expect too much.

#41 ::: rams ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 01:03 PM:

Well, I suppose I could look before I whine.
http://socklady.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/pete-seeger-in-a-socklady-hat/#comment-77

a Vermont company (bien sur) was the source of the hat. Oddly, they've discontinued wool hats AND wool socks. Less oddly, they're being besieged with requests for the pattern. Me, I'd settle for a clear shot of it.

#42 ::: Sandy B. ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 01:15 PM:

#39: "Property is theft? (who said that?) "

Pierre Joseph Proudhon.

I looked up another of his old quotes that I thought I loved, and my memory of it is far more lucid and pithy than the actual quote. Alas.

#43 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 01:28 PM:

"Um....what's that 'controversial verse' supposed to mean? Private property shouldn't exist? Private property is bad in 'this land'? Property is theft? (who said that?) Communism?
Why's it good that Seeger sang that verse?"

All of that! Also, that we will HANG THE LAST LANDLORD WITH THE ENTRAILS OF THE LAST PRIEST. Up against the wall! Eat the rich!

Alternately, you know, it could be that private ownership of land is rarely a grant of absolute and sovereign authority over that land. For instance, English "right-of-way" law, with such attendant doctrines as "once a highway, always a highway," goes back many centuries. Obviously specific rights and legal practices wax and wane over time, but the idea that land owners are obliged, under many circumstances, to allow passage to travelers is a venerable one, and hardly "communism". In fact, as an idea and a practice, it's considerably older than the United States of America.

#44 ::: JESR ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 01:32 PM:

John Stanning, it would be a good idea to look into the time when Woody Guthrie wrote that song, when the meaning of the verse would not need explanation: it is specifically about California barring itself to dust bowl refugees, as well as "no camping" signs that went up pretty much nationwide during the thirties.

Both Woody and Pete are old-line Marxists, of course, so the idea that private property is a violation of the social good is implicit in their branch of folk music, but, you know something? There are a lot of ways in which the popular concept of private property is used to violate all sorts of scientific and social definitions of good, in my neo-Kulack opinion.

#45 ::: Lizzy L ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 02:27 PM:

One of my most cherished political memories is of the Easter 1961 March for Peace, created by Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy, known as SANE. 3 days earlier, Pete Seeger had been convicted for refusing to cooperate with HUAC. He came to the march -- it was a nasty, rain-soaked day -- walked with us to U. N. Plaza, sang a song. Remembering his courage and conviction in the face of political persecution, I am still moved. Bravo to our next President for honoring him. Seeger is in my view a true American hero, a righteous man, and a mensch.

#46 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 02:36 PM:

Stefan @27:
Obama could be *merely competent* and we would be much better off.

You know, I grew to adulthood under Bush I and Clinton, and never really felt that the President had much actual influence on the day to day life of Americans.

W changed that for me. If it weren't for the fact that we're neck deep in mire and sinking fast, I'd settle for invisible all over again.

I do have fervent hope of better than that, though. I don't think it's groundless hope, either.

#47 ::: Lee ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 02:39 PM:

Sandy, #42: Well, don't tease! If you've improved on an old quotation, let's hear the new version.

#48 ::: Lizzy L ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 02:58 PM:

KQED is playing Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have A Dream" speech. Dear God. I'm weeping.

Let freedom ring.

Martin, wherever you are, may your spirit rejoice and be glad. None of what we are about to do tomorrow could have happened without your efforts and yes, your sacrifice.

#49 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 03:18 PM:

Today: baking Election Cake (in loaf pans this time) and W H Harrison's pound cake, to take in to work tomorrow so when it gets past 9am (PST) we can party.

(Lemon oil is hard to find. Rosewater is easy to get.)

#50 ::: Nell ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 03:47 PM:

Unafraid to set off irony alerts, HBO today yanked the YouTube video of Seeger's performance for copyright violation.

#51 ::: John Stanning ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 03:55 PM:

Patrick, JESR: Ah, so des' ka. Thanks. Not knowing the background, it was the right-of-passage aspect that I'd missed.

#52 ::: Raphael ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 04:15 PM:

Joel Polowin @25, I didn't know that it's from the lyrics of This Land is your Land, and at first, it sounded like a standard example of the "Prophecy with a twist" trope to me.

(And, generally, yes, it's nice if, at one occassion, something doesn't get sanitized by marketing once in a while.)

#53 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 05:42 PM:

HBO may have gotten some of the YouTube versions pulled, but you can still watch it on YouTube here. From the crawl it appears to be a German transmission.

#54 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 05:55 PM:

I had somehow never heard that verse before hearing it this past year in the credits of Bound for Glory, a so-so Woody Guthrie bio-pic. That version had it worded something like:

As I went walking, across a field,
I saw a sign said 'No Trespassing'
The other side said nothing, so I turned it over,
That side was made for you and me.

But since then, I've been running into it all over in various forms. John Mellencamp sings it on the 'Song of America' album, for one.

#55 ::: Dena Shunra ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 06:02 PM:

There are several versions available, some being pulled by HBO, others being put up.

Thanks for posting that, Patrick. It is a song I love, and a singer I love. I only wish I could rejoice properly; it's a little hard with bodies still being pulled out of the rubble over in you-know-where. The depth of despair over one and the heights of hope over the other are doing a fair job of shredding my capacity to feel.

#56 ::: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 09:29 PM:

I was going to ask what John Stanning asked. I have often heard folkies praise that verse, without really getting why. So thanks for replying to him.

Further explication would also be welcome.

In other news, the HBO feed crashed my browser, Safari. Thanks for the link to the German Youtube version. Spotted a shot of George Lucas in the crowd. Wow.

#57 ::: sara_k ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 10:34 PM:

Vicki at #38

I only remember changes to the first verse. I left a message for my Mom to ask if there were other changes.

This land is your land, this land is my land
From Lake Victoria to the Mountain Highlands
From Kilimanjaro to Old Mombasa
This land was made for you and me.

#58 ::: sara_k ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 10:39 PM:

rams @ #41

Maybe they are vegans?

#59 ::: Aquila ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 11:31 PM:

Sara K @37 I was in high school before I knew that was an American song. In Kenya we had our own version.

Same!

This land is your land, this land is my land
From Bluff in Southland, to the Bay of Islands,
From the Kauri forests, to the southern ranges,
This land was made for you and me.

This land is your land, this land is my land
From Manapouri to Cape Reinga,
From the southern Fiordlands to the thermal regions
This land was made for you and me.

#60 ::: Caroline ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2009, 11:42 PM:

abi @ 46: I do have fervent hope of better than that, though. I don't think it's groundless hope, either.

Me too.

Can I say that I am really, really, really annoyed by the fact that should any liberal/progressive sort criticize anything that Obama does, as it is fair to do and no doubt will continue to be fair to do, there are apparently hordes of people circling waiting to say "See, I told you so! I told you he was just like Bush / the worst person in the world / a total liar and manipulator! Weren't you stupid and naive to support him? Don't you regret it now?"

It's really obnoxious. (I am, obviously, not speaking of this blog.)

#61 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: January 20, 2009, 12:50 AM:

A further clarification of what I take to be the point of that verse, from Ambrose Bierce:

LAND, n. A part of the earth's surface, considered as property. The theory that land is property subject to private ownership and control is the foundation of modern society, and is eminently worthy of the superstructure. Carried to its logical conclusion, it means that some have the right to prevent others from living; for the right to own implies the right exclusively to occupy; and in fact laws of trespass are enacted wherever property in land is recognized. It follows that if the whole area of terra firma is owned by A, B and C, there will be no place for D, E, F and G to be born, or, born as trespassers, to exist.


(If you don't know Bierce's general tone and opinion of society, you might miss that "eminently worthy of the superstructure" on the first read.)

#62 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: January 20, 2009, 01:11 AM:

Patrick @ 43

There's another aspect to the theme of ownership: that song was written during a period of struggle between the labor unions and the companies for the very existence of the unions and against the predatory practices that were common in the workplace at the time (and have been coming back, thanks to BushCo, among others). One common pattern in the first 4 decades of the 20th century was for companies to build factory towns, where the workers had to live, but the company owned the property. The threat of having a family evicted from its home was very effective in controlling the workers. It's one of the reasons that home ownership was so important in the US in the second half of the 20th.

#63 ::: Mez ::: (view all by) ::: January 20, 2009, 08:15 AM:

So why does HBO HATE AMERICA!?!

Here we are, your allies in 'The Willing' [hmm … has Stephen King used that title yet?], and have fought by your side in every 20th Century war (our entire history as a nation), our Dearly Beloved Former Leader, John W. Howard was last week awarded your Medal of Freedom, your Citzen Rupert comes from here, we give you excellent terms of trade — especially in the Entertainment industry, your citizens live here safely, and yet HBO wants to deny us the sight and sound of your Democratic Process In Action! How may we worship at the fount? How can you Spread Freedom and Democracy when you can't see or hear it? (Anything on LiveLeak or Google Video?)

John Stanning (#51),Just make sure you don't confuse 'rite of passage' with 'right of way'; though I s'pose they could be combined. Also what JESR said at #44 about the context at the time. Except they were singing "this land was made", not "this land belongs" in the clip. Thank goodness for all those YouTubers putting it up

And JESR (#35) — Word. For both halves.
There should be a defined post (able to be assumed by anyone) like the old earside companion of the Roman Triumphator — was it "memento homo"? — "remember, you're only a man/mortal".

#64 ::: John Stanning ::: (view all by) ::: January 20, 2009, 08:46 AM:

Mez, I don't! I'm blessed, or cursed, with the ability to spell (typos excepted), and I meant right of passage, the right to pass through a certain territory.  One of the fun things about English is the words or phrases that sound the same but have different meanings, thus confusing the furriners (and some of the natives too).

#65 ::: Rosa ::: (view all by) ::: January 20, 2009, 09:11 PM:

Some of that concert was just dumb (who let Tom Hanks do the Copeland piece? Ick) but parts of it made me cry. I didn't even mind missing the live inauguration coverage - being home on Sunday listening to that concert, and all the MLK stuff on Monday was plenty good. (our local community station played the speech King gave the night before he died, for the garbage collector's union, and his explanation of why he was against the war in Vietnam - I'm not sure if that's both the same speech or not).

And I understand that lots of people are guarding their feelings because we've been let down before, but I don't think most of us have terribly high expectations - I have heard a bunch of people say "He raised my estimation of this country just by getting elected, no matter what else happens", and I think "at least better than Bush" should be achievable by, well, anyone who's not a member of the Bush family. And possibly some people who share some of his genes.

#66 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: January 20, 2009, 09:37 PM:

"who let Tom Hanks do the Copeland piece? Ick"

What's "ick" about it? Tom Hanks is, by most reports, a good progressive and a decent guy. He did fine with the Copland recitative. Are you sure you're not thinking of a different Hollywood Tom?

#67 ::: Tim Walters ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 12:15 AM:

Clifton Royston @ 54: Bound for Glory, a so-so Woody Guthrie bio-pic.

I haven't seen the film, which may well be so-so, but the book (by Guthrie himself) is remarkable. It barely touches on his singing career (ending just as he is being "discovered" in New York), and his description of his childhood in particular is extremely vivid and strange.

#68 ::: Mez ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 04:26 AM:

John Stanning (#64), but there are lots of people who get your 'right of passage' mixed up with a 'rite of passage', being those things we mark major changes in peoples lives with; bat mitvah, graduation, wedding, christening, those initiations and ceremonies one hears of in other cultures. That, and the legal usage, is why I use 'right of way'.

I suppose going through the rites gives you certain rights, however <g>.

#69 ::: Paul A. ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 08:12 AM:

I'm surprised (and perhaps faintly disappointed) that the conversation has passed over Pierre-Joseph Proudhon without anyone doing the traditional herbal tisane joke. (Presumably this means that Serge, Ginger, and Xopher haven't heard it yet.)

Therefore:

It's little known that Pierre-Joseph Proudhon's taste in hot beverages ran exclusively to herbal infusions. This was, of course, on account of his low opinion of proper tea.

#70 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 08:21 AM:

Paul A @ 69... Tisane embarassment to admit I didn't drink of it first.

#71 ::: Cat Meadors ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 08:27 AM:

Hey, my kid has a Socklady sock that looks just like that hat. Hmmm...

No, probably not talented enough to hattify it myself, but I bet good enough photos exist of the socks that someone who was good at that sort of thing could do it.

#72 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 08:33 AM:

Serge @ 70: We're in hot water now, aren't we?

#73 ::: ajay ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:00 AM:

If he doesn't improve his performance, Serge's punning qualifications may be in danger of lapsang.

#74 ::: ajay ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:03 AM:

57: there's also an Irish Republican version which makes it clear that This Land is the entire island of Ireland, and it should all be Ours (rather than Theirs)... way to miss the point, guys.

#75 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:19 AM:

ajay #73: He was just feeling a bit chai.

#76 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:47 AM:

Brother, can you spare a dime?

#77 ::: Nancy C. Mittens ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:59 AM:

I found a pattern for a Phrygian cap, or Liberty bonnet, worn in the American and French revolutions. Unfortunately, it is sized for an American Girl doll. I intend to size it up for myself and make one.

It's here for the others who want to play.

N.B. The pattern says navy blue, but everything else I have seen on the web says red, and the New York State flag has a yellow one or orange one held on a staff by the figure on the left.

#78 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 10:42 AM:

Don't let the punning go on oo long.

#79 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 11:04 AM:

Bruce Cohen @ 78... Or you'll get sick and earl grey?

#80 ::: Dave Bell ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 11:05 AM:

Somebody is sure too have already written This Filk Was Your Filk

#81 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 11:40 AM:

Serge @ 79: Oh, pu-erh. He's making an assam-yself.

#82 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 12:27 PM:

Ginger @ 81... Either that or we punsters will cause others to have a coffeeng fit, and will be told that YOMANK.

#83 ::: mdh ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 05:57 PM:

Pete got to sing the whole song?

at the Lincoln Monument?

With the Boss?

huzzah!

#84 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 07:54 PM:

Serge: Good thing you've come to your senchas and restrained yourself, then.

#85 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:45 PM:

Nicole @ 84: You might think he's turned over a new leaf, but I know he's brewing up some really strong puns. Not only will they knock you a$$ over teakettle, but he'll whistle while he works.

#86 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:52 PM:

Nicole & Ginger... Beware. I canvascillate and abandon all restraint. ("You mean you haven't already?") I heard that.

#87 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:54 PM:

Oops. Wrong pun thread. I'd better concentrate on unplugging the VCR and plugging the DVR in.

#88 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 09:59 PM:

Serge@ 86: Whoa nelly! Don't cha know, but you've just poured the wrong cuppa -- no wonder my tea tastes like turpentine. Not to worry; it's a mugwort drinking and it will spruce up my day like nobody's business. I won't let anyone* needle you about mixing metaphors, Darjeeling.


*It will be a fir, fir better thing I do than I have ever done.

#89 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 10:39 PM:

Ginger @ 88... a fir, fir better thing

...to pine for the fjords?

#90 ::: Spam deleted ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 10:56 PM:

Spam from 67.159.8.194

#91 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 10:56 PM:

Serge, #87, can you use a splitter for the recording?

#92 ::: Very odd spam ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 10:59 PM:

When I saw "stephen king" in the sidebar, I thought "Oh neat, another famous author shows up in a Making Light comment thread!" I can't quite figure out what the point of #90 is, but I am willing to guess it wasn't posted by Stephen King.

#93 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2009, 11:07 PM:

Marilee @ 91... can you use a splitter for the recording?

I keep a log of all recordings.

#94 ::: Michael I ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 06:39 AM:

Serge@95

Sorry we axed...

#95 ::: John Stanning disses spam ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 07:08 AM:

#90:  the dimwits hope that by posting a link to their site on every blog they can find, they will get it high rank on Google.  But they won't.  Making Light, like most blogs now, puts a code on every link telling search engine crawlers to ignore it.  Ha!

#96 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 08:03 AM:

Michael I @ 96... You saw the error of your ways?

#97 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 09:58 AM:

Serge @ 98: Why woodn't he?

#98 ::: Leroy F. Berven ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 10:10 AM:

Concern that others wood pile on, without being aligned in a cord?

#99 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 10:30 AM:

Should we post any further ligneous puns? Let's pole ML for their opinion.

#100 ::: KeithS ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 12:39 PM:

I think I'm standing more than ten feet away. Nevertheless, with a branching network of polesters, we can all tinder a vote.

#101 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 02:11 PM:

Oh, goodness, what matchless mischief have I sparked? I would ha-flint myself to lesser puns, but you guys steel the show. Even KeithS, our tinderfoot, has knot been idle.

Me? I'm just stumped.

#102 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 02:58 PM:

Abi @ 103... you guys steel the show

I suddenly feel hollyer-than-thou. But my bark is worse than my bite.

#103 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 07:05 PM:

This punthread, rooted in teas, appears to have branched.

But I think we've already done tree puns, so I'm going to stop there.

#104 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 22, 2009, 08:21 PM:

Xopher @ 105... And I'm not to blame for that one.

#105 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 03:11 AM:

No tree puns? You're just an old stick-in-the-mud.

#106 ::: Michael I ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 06:24 AM:

We need to chop off this punthread before it causes people to start leafing.

#107 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 07:38 AM:

..or we need to branch out into other topics, eh?

#108 ::: KeithS ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 10:38 AM:

I think that Abi already tried to enlighten us, but let us lucifer too long and we'll spark off a whole subthread.

#109 ::: Michael I ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 06:06 PM:

Except that might start a flamewar.

#110 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 06:13 PM:

Michael I @ 111... You are no match for my powers! Hahahahah!!!

#111 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 07:33 PM:

Serge @ 112: Are we a coalition of super-punsters? I don't want to be the hot-tempered one.

#112 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 08:13 PM:

Ginger #113: I'd say you were a room-temperature super-ponster, using Fleischmann's yeast.

#113 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 09:04 PM:

Ginger @ 113... I don't want to be the hot-tempered one

Drat. I guess I won't send you that Punsen Burner after all.

#114 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 11:16 PM:

Fragano@114, Serge@115: Nobody can hold a candle to youse. Rather than get steamed about it, I solder on in your exalted company.

#115 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 23, 2009, 11:20 PM:

Ginger @ 116... I solder on in your exalted company.

Glad to hear we're not wicked.

#116 ::: Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 01:15 AM:

Let's not let this thread get all fluxed up.

#117 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 01:20 AM:

Bruce Cohen @ 118... Why not? We're about to wax elegiac.

#118 ::: Michael I ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 06:34 AM:

Serge@119

Although some of the puns can't hold a candle to the great punthreads of yore...

#119 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 07:23 AM:

Michael I @ 120.. So says Raymond Chandler?

#120 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 02:51 PM:

Serge #119: I was just going to wax Roth.

#121 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 04:09 PM:

Fragano @ 122... Tim or Lillian?

#122 ::: Leroy F. Berven ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 05:18 PM:

That discussion will help Philip our spare time.

#123 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 08:47 PM:

Just as long as nobody hexes things by suddenly dropping a wrench into the proceedings.

#124 ::: Mez ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 09:12 PM:

Oh boy. Wow. Back to the threadstart, Saturday Sydney was an oven; 40C (104F)* with a dry hot wind; sun like a blow to the body. Walking out under umbrella and broad-brimmed straw hat, I pondered the possibility of some poor junior reporter sent out to demonstrate the feasibility of frying an egg on a tin plate.

Walked back at dusk, past a bride at the cathedral having veil control difficulties as the cooling evening breeze picked up. Home, cold water wash, cold drink‡ & collapsed on bed. Woke up just in time for SBS broadcast of 'We Are One' inaugural concert. Thrilled all over again when Pete Seeger stepped out, but the rest was good stuff too.

The concert's name was a happy surprise. 'We are One' is one of our popular patriotic songs. The chorus goes:

We are one, but we are many.
And from all the lands on earth we come.
We share a dream and sing with one voice:
I am, you are, we are Australian.
Sometimes called 'I am Australian' it's sung at citizenship ceremonies and sports events where maybe 'Waltzing Matilda' once was.

My own Australia Day (26th January) song is Eric Bogle's 'Shelter' — common name 'Dressed in green and gold'.

*Officially 40.1 (~104) Sydney CBD; highest 42.4 (~108) Olympic Park.
‡Chilled lapsang souchong, nodding to teapuns

#125 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: January 24, 2009, 10:52 PM:

Mez: Whereas I just got back from a walk on the canal in Ottawa. It was about -10C when we left, and some degrees colder when we got home, a trifle after sunset.

My mustache was rimed with ice.

Now if only I would remember that I am never going to have high rates of bloodflow to my fingers when the temperature is low, so I need to wear mittens, and use handwarmers.

But Poutine and Beavertails were had, and I made a sausage and bean casserole, sipped some Connemara (single malt scotch, if the Irish made it), and drank some tea while sniggering at QI and Time Team (the fog lift, over the cliffs of Antrim? HA!).

So all in all, I'll take the cold. I know how to bundle up, I've yet to figure out how to get cooler than nude (even if I tried it, I'd be burnt to a fare-thee-well, probably before the arrest for public indecency).

#126 ::: Lee ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2009, 12:20 AM:

Terry, #127: I'm with you on that. I've said for years that you can always put on more layers, but there's a limit to how much you can take off!

#127 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2009, 12:55 AM:

Terry Karney @ 127... Poutine and Beavertails were had

Poutine?
Yum!

#128 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2009, 01:48 AM:

Was Ok poutine, was Sudbury Gravy Co. gravy and curds, but the curds were in short supply.

It was a mixed blessing. Warm food was a good thing, but my gloved hands had to leave my coat pockets. We did, however see chipmunk, rabbit, and deer track in the snow (which is, as one might expect, a much lighter powder than the "sierra cement" which is the more common snow of my easy reaching).

#129 ::: Earl Cooley III ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2009, 08:19 AM:

One of the things I plan to do if I ever become hideously wealthy is hire a poutine chef.

#130 ::: Michael I ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2009, 08:58 AM:

Ginger@125

Or the puns start getting too nutty. That might cause some people to bolt.

#131 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: January 25, 2009, 09:25 AM:

Michael I @ 132... "Oak knot what your country can do..." Time to log off?

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