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September 11

Today marks a grim anniversary, a day when a few fanatics, equipped and secretly encouraged by foreign ideologues, struck a...

September 11 -- comment #1 from Ken MacLeod

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:59:58 -0500

A point well made.

About the other September 11 ... I saw it on television but I lived it on Usenet, mainly through your posts.

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Posted September 11, 2009 3:59 PM by Ken MacLeod

September 11 -- comment #2 from Lori Coulson

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:00:32 -0500

I've had my annual cry now...

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Posted September 11, 2009 4:00 PM by Lori Coulson

September 11 -- comment #3 from Matthew Brown

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:02:56 -0500

When I was a student in London, c. 1991-1994, I had a friend, older than I of course, who had been a schoolteacher in Allende's Chile, and fled in fear of her life after the coup. She described almost being shot by soldiers, and detention, and there was probably worse. Life in the UK as an asylum-seeker speaking no English (at the time) and working as a cleaner was better than staying there.

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Posted September 11, 2009 4:02 PM by Matthew Brown

September 11 -- comment #4 from Keith Kisser

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:24:37 -0500

Today is also the 232nd anniversary of the battle of Brandywine, where, in 1777, Casimir Pulaski charged the British army and saved the life of George Washington, thus ensuring that we would have him around long enough to help found the nation and become our first president.

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Posted September 11, 2009 4:24 PM by Keith Kisser

September 11 -- comment #5 from Linkmeister

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:31:37 -0500

It's the 17th anniversary of Hurricane Iniki, which did horrendous damage to Kauai and a lot less to Oahu.

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Posted September 11, 2009 4:31 PM by Linkmeister

September 11 -- comment #6 from Elizabeth Coleman

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:33:07 -0500

My co-worker just came in and related her 9-11 story. She spent it driving around the Olympic Peninsula in Robbie Knieval's van with Dan Haggerty to get bears for a photo shoot. She spent part of the day with a bear the size of a Volkswagen growling a few feet from her face and Haggerty saying, "Don't show fear!" You can't make stuff like that up.

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Posted September 11, 2009 4:33 PM by Elizabeth Coleman

September 11 -- comment #7 from Lori Coulson

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:35:34 -0500

Keith Kisser @4:

"Make it one for Washington and all his gallant men, and one for the girl I left behind,
Make one for the bonny boy I'll never see again, and don't forget the Blacksmith of Brandywine."

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Posted September 11, 2009 4:35 PM by Lori Coulson

September 11 -- comment #8 from Ken Houghton

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:19:42 -0500

Amen, Patrick.

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Posted September 11, 2009 5:19 PM by Ken Houghton

September 11 -- comment #9 from Eileen Gunn

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:49:35 -0500

Thank you, Patrick.

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Posted September 11, 2009 5:49 PM by Eileen Gunn

September 11 -- comment #10 from Anna Feruglio Dal Dan

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:04:13 -0500

Thank you.

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Posted September 11, 2009 8:04 PM by Anna Feruglio Dal Dan

September 11 -- comment #11 from janetl

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:17:05 -0500

In the days after the attack, I put up the flag at my house, and felt the flags flying through the neighborhood gave a comforting sense of solidarity in grief. I should point out that my neighborhood is pretty solidly liberal -- for example, I've never seen a Republican bother to file for the state legislature in this precinct. These weren't flags accessorized by pictures of bombers.

On Facebook earlier this week, a friend mentioned that he'd be flying his flag on 9/11. I felt no urge to do so. Today, a flag on 9/11 makes me think of lies about weapons of mass destruction, Halliburton, and loss. That adds to the sadness of the anniversary.

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Posted September 11, 2009 11:17 PM by janetl

September 11 -- comment #12 from Christopher Davis

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:01:03 -0500

Ten years ago, September 11th was a Saturday...and with a cheap weekend fare, a good day to be visiting NYC from Boston. A CityPass meant we had various tickets that we wouldn't necessarily have paid full price for, so we hit a few extra tourist sites that weekend, including the observation decks of both the WTC and Empire State Building.

The view from the World Trade Center's observation deck on September 11, 1999 looked something like this.

The next day, the view from the Empire State Building's deck looking south.

That's the New York City I want to remember in September.

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Posted September 12, 2009 1:01 AM by Christopher Davis

September 11 -- comment #13 from cd

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:26:50 -0500

Today also marks the 6th anniversary of the assassination of Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh.

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Posted September 12, 2009 4:26 AM by cd

September 11 -- comment #14 from cd

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:27:52 -0500

D'oh. "Yesterday", I mean.

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Posted September 12, 2009 4:27 AM by cd

September 11 -- comment #15 from janeyolen

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:40:19 -0500

Thanks, Patrick. I couldn't read it on the 11th.

Jane

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Posted September 12, 2009 1:40 PM by janeyolen

September 11 -- comment #16 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:10:06 -0500

Thanks, Patrick. I am emotionally unable to think about or talk about the events of September 11, 2001 on any anniversary of the date, but now the day is over, I can. I'm hoping that a few more years will give me, and the rest of the US as well, enough distance to mourn the ones we lost without feeling stuck in a flashback to the event itself.

It's interesting to compare the changes over the last 8 years in the attitudes of the inhabitants of the US about the attack and its justification of subsequent actions like torture with the changes in the attitudes of inhabitants of the Islamic world towards Osama bin Laden and the use of suicide bombing in defense of Islam.

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Posted September 12, 2009 8:10 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)

September 11 -- comment #17 from will shetterly

Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:50:55 -0500

The Narcosphere just had an article about Obama's, well, very cautious reaction to the golpistas in Honduras, and concluded with this:

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves." — Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State under President Richard Nixon

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Posted September 13, 2009 5:50 PM by will shetterly

September 11 -- comment #18 from The AstroDyke

Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:55:49 -0500

Thank you, Patrick. A few years ago, I was working at a telescope in Chile on Once de Septiembre. On the TV, I watched the (annual) riots on the streets of Santiago. Students with bandannas, police water-cannons, and dozens of mothers leading the procession, holding simple 8x10 photographs of the "disappeared", labeled with the simple question, ¿Donde?

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Posted September 13, 2009 11:55 PM by The AstroDyke

September 11 -- comment #19 from Henry Troup

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:59:04 -0500

Many years ago, I encountered the late, great Stafford Beer's book Platform for Change, about the Allende government's attempt to wire the whole country. Beer made it sound more like it worked than the links from Wikipedia. I believe that the experiment in itself scared enough people that the destruction of the Allende government was provoked.

It's an under-reported and very science fictional experiment; I think of it on occasion when the newspaper is screaming about the latest economic "news" - usually what happened two months ago. If Beer could deliver next-day numbers in 1971, why are we so slow today?

(Mostly because it's collated from mostly paper, and no one's priority to supply the numbers, and the creation of monthly numbers and especially yearly ones is more art than science. Supplying the raw data would be quicker and more useful - but unlikely.)

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Posted September 15, 2009 10:59 PM by Henry Troup