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      <description>Thanks to Liberal Oasis for this story. In a 2008 study published in the Archives of Surgery, Race and Insurance...</description>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #1 from abi</title>
         <description>comment from abi on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also be very interested to see a comparison of trauma severity between the two populations, the insured and uninsured.  I'm aware that this survey controlled for that, but I bet that the insured patients sought treatment sooner and for lesser (= more likely to have a good outcome) trauma than the uninsured ones.  So the controlled study would throw out a bunch of good outcomes (fixable traumas fixed) for insured patients that weren't matched by similar uninsured patients.</p>

<p>In other words, the difference is probably <em>even worse</em> for the broad populations of the insured vs the uninsured.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  7:26 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #2 from Chris Johnson</title>
         <description>comment from Chris Johnson on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This observation is true across many disease categories. For example, children without insurance who end up in a pediatric intensive care unit are more likely to die than are insured children with the exact same disease entity, corrected for severity of disease.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  2:26 PM by Chris Johnson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #3 from dcb</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And once again I'm glad I live in a country with a National Health Service, where they don't ask whether you're insured before starting to treat you...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  2:40 PM by dcb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #4 from The Sailor</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi, I believe they used trauma because trauma means there was no question of the person going to the emergency room, probably by ambulance.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  3:25 PM by The Sailor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #5 from C. Wingate</title>
         <description>comment from C. Wingate on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I correct in reading that "blunt trauma" tends to mean car wrecks and falls, while "penetrating trauma" tends to mean knifings and shootings? (Obviously penetrating trauma occurs in car wrecks too.) I'm a little thrown off by the difference between the two groups because they seem to indicate that it makes a difference, but for example they didn't give an indication of how much it mattered. If morbidity is higher in general for penetrating trauma, it would have been interesting to see everything broken out by those categories too.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  4:11 PM by C. Wingate&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #6 from Lori Coulson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C. Wingate @5, I'd say your reading is correct, but blunt force trauma can kill as quickly as penetrating (snapped c-spine or broken femur, for example). </p>

<p>I thought I saw an article about this last week, and the majority of the penetration wounds were either caused by knife or gunshot.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  4:30 PM by Lori Coulson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #7 from B. Durbin</title>
         <description>comment from B. Durbin on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a statistical POV, I am interested to see if there are more trauma injuries to people who are uninsured, on the theory that they may be in situations where trauma is more likely.</p>

<p>Theory A: White-collar jobs are more likely to have insurance; low-grade physical labor jobs are less likely to. (High-risk physical labor generally carries its own insurance.)</p>

<p>Theory B: People who choose to not wear seatbelts are more likely to get into accidents; it appears to be a personality thing. If someone is stressed because they don't have insurance, might they get into more accidents? (Not to mention the associated "dangers of poverty" category which increases the exposure to physical violence.)</p>

<p>Theory C: I make enough money for insurance, therefore I make enough to get a safer car. Someone who is barely eking by might have a clunker with a frame that isn't quite right anymore.</p>

<p>It's probably impossible to test, much like my question if car seats for kids have reduced car sickness (because by raising them up where they can see the road, the discrepancy between visual and balance is reduced.) But I am interested.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  5:07 PM by B. Durbin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #8 from Jim Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from Jim Macdonald on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All other things being equal, the mortality rate for people with the same ISS or the same RTS should be equal, regardless of whether the trauma was blunt or penetrating.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  6:47 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #9 from C. Wingate</title>
         <description>comment from C. Wingate on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That "should" was a testable hypothesis in this study, though, as they could have looked within, for example, insured whites and compared blunt vs. penetrating trauma morbidity etc.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  7:01 PM by C. Wingate&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #10 from thomas</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B.Durbin@7:</p>

<p><em> I am interested to see if there are more trauma injuries to people who are uninsured, on the theory that they may be in situations where trauma is more likely.</em></p>

<p>Theory D: Young people, especially men, are less likely to have insurance (partly because they are less likely to need it).  They are also more likely to have major trauma.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  7:17 PM by thomas&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #11 from thomas</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi@1:</p>

<p><em>So the controlled study would throw out a bunch of good outcomes (fixable traumas fixed) for insured patients that weren't matched by similar uninsured patients.</em></p>

<p><em>In other words, the difference is probably even worse for the broad populations of the insured vs the uninsured.</em></p>

<p>An excellent point. They miss out on the benefit from insurance due to it making you more likely to get treated. </p>

<p>The fact that they are looking at mortality reduces the impact of this: fatal injuries are fairly likely to end up in hospital at some point, even if it's too late.  If they were looking at whether the accidents lead to chronic pain or disability there would be a much larger bias. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  7:34 PM by thomas&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #12 from Jim Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from Jim Macdonald on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also:  </p>

<p><br />
<a href="http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/disease-and-disadvantage-in-the-us-and-england.pdf" rel="nofollow">Disease and Disadvantage in the United States and in England</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf" rel="nofollow">Health Insurance and Mortality in US Adults</a></p>

<p>Both are cited in the Liberal Oasis post linked above.</p>

<p>As to RTS being a predictor of mortality across mechanisms of injury, I expect that work has been done in other studies.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  7:35 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #13 from thomas</title>
         <description>comment from thomas on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B.Durbin@7:</p>

<p><em>I am interested to see if there are more trauma injuries to people who are uninsured, on the theory that they may be in situations where trauma is more likely.,</em></p>

<p>Actually, we can tell from the proportions in the paper.  47% of the patients were uninsured, which is substantially higher than the proportion of the population uninsured,   even taking age into account.  The insurance coverage rate is well above 53% even in people under 35, everywhere except the south Texas border region.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  7:38 PM by thomas&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #14 from Jim Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from Jim Macdonald on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uninsured patients are more likely to be discharged home rather than discharged to rehabilitation facilities.</p>

<p>Also:  untreated chronic disease can complicate recovery from trauma.  A person with uncontrolled diabetes is more likely to have a poor outcome than that same person with the same injury would have with the diabetes under control.  Same for heart disease, asthma, etc.  By observation, a person without insurance is less likely to get the regular checkups that would detect underlying disease processes and would be less likely to have them under control.</p>

<p>In the recent past I've seen two where diabetes was diagnosed postmortem.  In one, the patient had a syncopal episode, vomited, aspirated, and died.  In the second, the patient had a heart attack and died.  Neither of those patients had health insurance (although both were employed).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  7:43 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #15 from thomas</title>
         <description>comment from thomas on  3.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking that some students in my survey analysis course in spring might want to look into these data further, but then I looked at the conditions for  (non-profit, research) access:</p>

<p>First, you have to agree<br />
<em>All Information derived from the NTDB from The American College of Surgeons, Committee on Trauma shall remain the full and copyrighted property of The American College of Surgeons, Committee on Trauma and shall be so noted in educational material, website presentations, and publications.</em>, that is, you have to agree that the information that uninsured patients have twice the mortality rate is copyrighted by the ACS. This is ludicrous.  Even claiming copyright on the raw data would be ambitious, especially as the information transfer agreement with the participating hospitals doesn't mention copyright.</p>

<p>Second, you have to <em><br />
Indemnify the American College of Surgeons, its Committee on Trauma and their employees and agents from any and all liability, loss, or damage suffered as a result of claims, demands, costs, or judgments arising out of use of NTDB information.</em></p>

<p>The university would be responsible for me, as long as I didn't do anything outrageous, but not for a student, and I can't really ask students to indemnify the American College of Surgeons even if the risk is vanishingly  unlikely.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009  8:01 PM by thomas&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #16 from thanate</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BDurban@7 (& thomas@10):  </p>

<p>Theory E (similar to B & possibly D): People who are flying without insurance because they don't feel like they need it are more likely to get themselves into dangerous situations by working on the assumption that they're not going to get hurt.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009 10:19 PM by thanate&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #17 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The theories are ... beside the point.  The point is:  Q. Two people are seriously injured.  Which one dies?  A.  The one without insurance.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  3, 2009 11:39 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #18 from Lila</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re discharge plans: on my first clinical rotation I treated an uninsured patient who'd been stabbed in the heart and, through the resultant blood loss, sustained permanent brain injury. He was cortically blind (that is, though his eyes were functioning normally, his visual cortex was damaged and his brain wasn't interpreting visual input), ataxic (=severely uncoordinated), and like many brain-injured patients, impulsive and erratic in his behavior. He could walk, slowly, if two people held his hands, and he could feed himself and I think dress himself with assistance, but that was about it.</p>

<p>He was 21 years old. We couldn't find any nursing home or rehab facility that would accept him, so he stayed in the hospital for many months. </p>

<p>He was also an illegal immigrant. His only relative stateside (I don't know if he was here legally or not) was not able to care for him. His mother offered to come up from their country of origin to care for him here, but they wouldn't let her out. Initially, country-of-origin also refused to let him back in. Eventually they relented. A special medical flight had to be chartered to take him home and he was released into the custody of his mother. I often wonder if he survived.</p>

<p>Needless to say, the long hospital stay plus the very expensive chartered flight rang up WAY more expenses for this patient that would have been required if he'd been insured and could have been discharged to a nursing home.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  4, 2009  9:14 AM by Lila&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #19 from Madison Guy</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original American trauma: <a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2009/12/inalienable-american-right-to-be-stupid.html" rel="nofollow">The inalienable American right to be stupid about health insurance.</a> </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  4, 2009  2:57 PM by Madison Guy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #20 from A.J. Luxton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard stories of uninsured people getting forcibly discharged from hospitals once their condition could be said to be other than a "medical emergency" - even if it would kill them in several days without treatment. </p>

<p>It would not surprise me at all if lack of follow-up care in situations where emergency and non-emergency care are both required has caused some of these deaths.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  4, 2009 10:20 PM by A.J. Luxton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #21 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.uclick.com/client/zzz/crmth/2009/11/20/" rel="nofollow">"But big government can't do anything right!"</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  4, 2009 10:55 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #22 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, #21: And it's an inaccurate portrayal. The character labeled "America" should instead be tagged "American big-business-owned media and political pundits"; polls continue to show that 60% or more of actual <i>Americans</i> WANT a public health-care plan. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2009 12:20 AM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #23 from David Harmon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And at some risk of digression, a quiz dedicated to <a href="http://www.deathforecast.com/" rel="nofollow">morbidity</a>... but no, it doesn't ask about insurance.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2009  8:52 AM by David Harmon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #24 from Lila</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.J. @ #20, you mean like <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6497254" rel="nofollow">this story</a>?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2009 11:44 AM by Lila&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #25 from Tae Kim</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dcb @3: "And once again I'm glad I live in a country with a National Health Service, where they don't ask whether you're insured before starting to treat you..."</p>

<p>But we don't ask about insurance status before we treat critical patients. Besides, <a href="http://www.cms.hhs.gov/emtala/" rel="nofollow">EMTALA</a> guarantees evaluation and treatment regardless of ability to pay. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2009 12:00 PM by Tae Kim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #26 from TexAnne</title>
         <description>comment from TexAnne on  5.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tae Kim: the only time I've ever had to take a friend to the ER, they copied his driver's license and insurance card before he was seen. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2009  1:40 PM by TexAnne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:40:38 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #27 from TexAnne</title>
         <description>comment from TexAnne on  5.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tae Kim: I'm sorry, I missed the word "critical."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  5, 2009  2:04 PM by TexAnne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:04:34 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Trauma and Insurance -- comment #28 from eric</title>
         <description>comment from eric on 11.Dec.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there's this: <a href='http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/matter-of-life-death/1057329' rel="nofollow">Matter of life and Death</a>.</p>

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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 11, 2009  1:15 AM by eric&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:15:35 -0500</pubDate>
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