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September 5, 2010

Here, now, shiny!
Posted by Abi Sutherland at 05:59 AM * 45 comments

Live coverage of the Hugo ceremony, beginning now, hosted by Cheryl Morgan and Mur Lafferty: here.

Watching events half a world away, and chatting about them as we do. Very, um, science fictional.

ETA: W00000t! PNH gets another Hugo!

Comments on Here, now, shiny!:
#1 ::: praisegod barebones ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 06:49 AM:

Appears just to be chatting about it (no video).

Still pretty awesome, though. And science fictional.

#2 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 06:51 AM:

Yeah, video is the jam of tomorrow on the feed, sadly. It was on briefly, they promised that it would be back in a moment, then they gave up.

#3 ::: Pendrift ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 06:55 AM:

This is. Well. Neat. I like living in the future.

#4 ::: praisegod barebones ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:00 AM:

By the way: Is it ok to post winners' names in this thread, or would that be spoilerish?

(I mean, once they've been announced, of course. I don't have inside information. Or precognitive powers. Now that would be pretty science fictional.)

#5 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:00 AM:

Post away; I'll be converting this to a Hugo discussion thread afterward.

#6 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:20 AM:

Bloody hell! Why isn't my new post showing up? Patrick just won the Hugo for Best Editor.

#7 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:22 AM:

T, I have no idea -- I don't see it on the back end, but the link in the Twitter stream works. Confused.

And we have lunch guests just arrived; I can't get the Tech Monkey to look just now.

#8 ::: James E ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:24 AM:

TNH@6: it has a publication date of August 3 (for reasons perhaps related to lack of coffee?), which is why it's not showing up on the front page.

#9 ::: Steve with a book ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:35 AM:

Well done PNH... also: Fred Pohl: Best Fan Writer. Does this make Pohl the oldest-ever Hugo winner, or is there an obvious counterexample that I'm missing?

#10 ::: Bombie ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:43 AM:

A tie win for Best Novel? Interesting.
The Windup Girl and The City & The City.

The Windup Girl certainly deserves it. Haven't read The City & The City yet, but I've got no doubt Miéville deserves it just as much.

#11 ::: Idgecat ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:48 AM:

Steve @ 9:
Pohl is 90, Jack Vance won Best Related Work for This is Me, Jack Vance! (Or, More Properly, This is “I”) and he's 94

#12 ::: Bombie ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:49 AM:

.. oh and of course congratulations to Patrick!

#13 ::: Geri Sullivan ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:50 AM:

Congratulations, Patrick! Here's hoping you get your dream come true in a few more years, that you win a Hugo with TNH in the audience with you.

Smooth move on following in David Hartwell's footsteps and taking a year off after having won in a category twice.

#14 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:50 AM:

As for next year's Hugos... For the first time ever, I've decided not to rely on my memory or on leafing again thru my library when Nomination Time comes. Whenever I come across a worthy tale, I add it to my 2010 list. I know. A list. What a revolutionary concept.

#15 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:51 AM:

Felicitations, Patrick!

#16 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 08:20 AM:

Yaaaaaaaaaaay!

Does that make Fred Pohl the first Futurian to win a fan Hugo? If so, long overdue.

James E., lack of coffee definitely involved. I managed to post that one by using the shell of an unfinished post from that date. I hadn't realized it worked. I'd change the date, but I'm now totally locked out of Movable Type and Twitter.

#17 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 08:21 AM:

Girl Genius won in its category.

#18 ::: Soon Lee ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 08:37 AM:

It was an absolute pleasure & a privilege to be in the audience. Congratulations to all the winners!

It's been a historic night, with Starship Sofa the first podcast to win a Hugo, a tie for best Novel (has that happened before?), Clarkesworld the first online winner in the Semiprozine category (AIUI), and Fred Pohl winning the Hugo for Fan Writer (Fan Writer!).

Not to mention Patrick winning Best Editor (Long Form), the sight of Charlie Stross taken aback (not having prepared a speech), Cheryl Morgan kind of doing a Neil Gaiman & the Peter Watts accepting his Hugo wearing a T-shirt.

All this at the first award ceremonies I attend. Very cool indeed.

#19 ::: mcz ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 08:45 AM:

Congratulations, Patrick!

#20 ::: jnh ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 08:45 AM:

Time warp to Patrick’s won the Hugo for Best Editor! which Teresa managed to post all the way back on August 3rd without us noticing. Probably something to do with the Grandfather Paradox.

#21 ::: Idgecat ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 08:59 AM:

More from my trivia collection

Teresa @ 16 -- I think this is the first *fan* award for a Futurian, they've won a number of pro awards, but the Hugos didn't really getting going until after their era in fandom.

Soon Lee -- I've heard this is the third tie for best novel, but I only know of one other for sure, 1966 Zelazny and Herbert tied that year.

#22 ::: Arthur D. Hlavaty ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 09:03 AM:

Congratulations, Patrick.

#24 ::: barry ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 09:07 AM:

Soon Lee -- I've heard this is the third tie for best novel, but I only know of one other for sure, 1966 Zelazny and Herbert tied that year.

Also 1993 - Vernor Vinge & Connie Willis

#25 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 09:18 AM:

Soon Lee @ 18... a tie for best Novel

...and a cravate for best graphic novel?

#26 ::: Soon Lee ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 09:19 AM:

Idgecat #21:

Thanks. Do you know if the Hugos always used the Instant Runoff system? Tonight's Hugo novel result has me curious: what is the probability of a tied result? Not that I'm complaining mind, my top two votes went to the two winners on the night.

#27 ::: Soon Lee ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 09:25 AM:

Serge #25:

...

That's me trying to think of a sufficiently witty response and failing. You'll have to settle for "Arrrggghh!"

#28 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 09:30 AM:

That official list (see link in #23) has Patrick winning Editor, Short Form and Ellen Datlow winning Editor, Long Form. Isn't that backwards?

#29 ::: Geri Sullivan ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 09:57 AM:

#28 Mary Aileen -- Good catch; you're absolutely right. The official list online at http://www.thehugoawards.com has the categories flipped for the editor winners.

Thanks to your note here, I've posted a correction request on the hugoawards website and also warned the Aussiecon 4 daily newszine staff to double-check the list they published. There are a couple places in the process that the mistake could have crept in, especially if the Hugo Awards page was posted in the post-ceremony excitement.

#30 ::: Julia Jones ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 10:26 AM:

Congratulations, Patrick. :-)

I'm pleased that Fred Pohl finally got his fan award. I've been enjoying his blog.

#31 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 10:28 AM:

26
I don't think anyone's ever calculated it, because it's pretty close to impossible to pick the winner, if the ballots aren't a landslide vote. (I've seen a couple of the vote-counting programs up close. With real data.)

#32 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 11:17 AM:

Serge @25: He's got a four-in-hand, then?

#33 ::: ddb ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 11:41 AM:

Soon Lee@26: The Hugos have used this voting system (mostly called "Australian Ballot" in fandom) since at least the 1960s. I have a vague memory that the first one or two years did something different (that's memory of reading about it; I'm not THAT old).

#34 ::: ddb ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 11:48 AM:

Congratulations to the many worthy winners! Especially the ones I know and super-especially Patrick as one of the local hosts!

Taking a year off accepting nominations is a very nice alternative to bowing out forever, which I do think potentially weakens the award (sometimes there's somebody dominant enough that omitting them really would make a second-place award), and still makes it much harder to nominate the wrong person out of habit next year. (Also, starting doing this earlier in your career as a Hugo winner makes it easier; if you had won say 8 of the last 10, bowing out for one year would seem somehow inadequate.)

#35 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 01:22 PM:

Congratulations all around!

#36 ::: thomas ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 01:34 PM:

26,31: voting system ties.

The probability of a tie shouldn't be drastically different from simpler voting systems. The votes get moved around a bit, but they effectively end up in two piles and you get a tie if the two piles are the same size. To save time, the procedure terminates if you get more than half the votes into any one pile, since then the winner is clear, but you could always run it all the way down to two piles.

This is clearer if you've done it with large piles of paper rather than computers. I was in charge of the vote counting for student elections for a couple of years as an undergraduate. The really painful count was for a committee with about 10 positions and 30-40 candidates, by proportional representation.

#37 ::: Bruce Cohen (Speaker to Managers) ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 02:00 PM:

Congratulations to Patrick, to the Foglios and all their helpers, to Charlie (weren't expecting that, were you?), and to all the other winners. To add the sfness of the moment, I'm reading this thread and composing this comment while sitting at a picnic table in the park, watching my dogs chase squirrels.

#38 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 03:37 PM:

One of these years I'm going to rent an isolated, WiFi-less tropical island for a week . . . well, realistically, a month . . . and catch up on several years worth of Hugo winners.

Congratulations to all!

#39 ::: Soon Lee ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 05:16 PM:

Geri Sullivan #29:

The Aussiecon daily newszine ("Voice of the Echidna") had a special hot-off-the-press edition handed out to awards attendees as they were leaving (I got a copy) and it has the correct information for Long Form/Short Form Editor winners.

PJ Evans, DDB & Thomas:
I think the tie is a really neat result. I had a tough time deciding which of the two winners I liked best. The two panelists at the "Predicting the Hugos:2011" were split down the middle between the Mieville & the Bacigalupi. So the possibility of a tie wasn't entirely unexpected.

#40 ::: Jules ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 07:22 PM:

Congrats to Patrick, Charlie & anyone else visiting here who has won! :)

#41 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2010, 08:00 PM:

Ginger: Only because he was coached, but not nagged.

#42 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: September 06, 2010, 07:44 PM:

So... It was Sunday morning for me when Abi posted on her Sunday afternoon about events that were happening on Saturday evening - all of this simultaneously. Ow.

#43 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: September 07, 2010, 01:21 AM:

Sunday evening, Serge, not Saturday. Oz is ahead of us.

#44 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: September 07, 2010, 10:29 AM:

Abi @ 43... Argh. One would think that my telecommuter job would have given me a better handle on different timezones by now.

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