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May 21, 2011

It Starts
Posted by Jim Macdonald at 10:28 AM * 40 comments

The first wave of presidential hopefuls hit New Hampshire this week, with Buddy Roemer and Jon Huntsman both visiting.

Follow Making Light for up to the minute occasional, if we feel like it, reporting from the first stop on the campaign trail, from now to the Dixville Notch primary (where we routinely scoop CNN).

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Comments on It Starts:
#1 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 10:39 AM:

Thhis is the Sign that the Rapture IS happening!

#2 ::: Mark ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 11:24 AM:

If the Rapture does happen, which of the two Jon Huntsmen will ascend? I hope it's the new, Republican primary version, because the old governor wasn't half bad.

#3 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 12:02 PM:

Before the month is out we'll have Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann.

And the first CNN/Union Leader/WMUR Candidate Debate is scheduled for 13 June.

#4 ::: Steve C. ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 12:27 PM:

James D. Macdonald @ #3 -

Before the month is out we'll have Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann.

Let's play political Jeapordy!

"I'll take Right-wingers Without A Hope in Hell of Getting the Nod, Alec."


#5 ::: Bruce E. Durocher II ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 12:37 PM:

Steve C:

To mangle an old joke...

Question: What do you call "A Good Start?"

Answer: Politicians Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

#6 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 12:41 PM:

"And the answer is, "Appeared on 'Conversation with the Candidates' on WMUR on the 12th of May."

"Who is Rick Santorum," Alex.

#7 ::: janetl ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 01:09 PM:

Just checked, and a page about the politician Santorum is still only #3 in the search results on both Google and Bing. The fight-bigots-with-humor effort lead by Dan Savage is still winning!

#8 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 02:08 PM:

Can you keep Herman Cain?

#9 ::: Bruce E. Durocher II ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 02:52 PM:

janetl: Just checked, and a page about the politician Santorum is still only #3 in the search results on both Google and Bing. The fight-bigots-with-humor effort lead by Dan Savage is still winning!

Better than that: Santorum complained about it to journalists during the big Conservative clam-bake a couple of months ago, insuring that Savage's version will get a bigger boost...

#11 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 03:09 PM:

I just want to have a brief gloat here and note that the phrase "President Santorum" featured in a certain story of mine (written in 1999, published in 2001), which got turned into a novel published in 2005.

Now I'm going to wipe the smirk from my face and hope (because I don't hold with prayer) that you aren't so unlucky as to see that phrase in any context other than a work of fiction.

#12 ::: thomas ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 06:35 PM:

How many of them are bringing long-form birth certificates?

#13 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 06:42 PM:

#12 ::: thomas :

My guess? None of 'em.

#14 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: May 21, 2011, 06:52 PM:

And Making Light scoops CNN again!

Note we had Herman Cain at 12:02 pm (above), while CNN only got the word at 1:29 pm.

#15 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: May 22, 2011, 12:54 PM:

Jim, that's particularly good given that Cain made his announcement literally on CNN's doorstep.

#16 ::: Ken Brown ::: (view all by) ::: May 22, 2011, 03:03 PM:

Not that we need politics? Politics is life!

(as my Mum told me)

#17 ::: janetl ::: (view all by) ::: May 22, 2011, 07:14 PM:

James D. Macdonald @ 10: I saw what you did there! As I'm not a moderator, I hesitated to use the power of Making Light on that frothy fellow. Thank you.

#18 ::: Bill Stewart ::: (view all by) ::: May 22, 2011, 07:24 PM:

Sandy B had posted this URL over on the Open Thread - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/18/santorum-mccain-doesnt-understand-interrogation/
Apparently Savage was way too kind to Santorum.

#19 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: May 22, 2011, 09:03 PM:

janetl #17: A link you or I posted would have the "nofollow" tag, to keep spammers from tapping the power of Making Light. Presumably Jim can get around that.... I also note unhappily that the site is stale -- the last posts are circa 2004.

#20 ::: 'As You Know' Bob ::: (view all by) ::: May 23, 2011, 03:05 AM:

Isn't the political season starting relatively late this cycle?

#21 ::: Rob Thornton ::: (view all by) ::: May 23, 2011, 10:36 AM:

As a member of the Pro-Amusement wing of the Democratic Party, I would like to strongly encourage Michele Bachmann to impose her lack of vision on the Republican platform for 2012. For the lulz!

#22 ::: albatross ::: (view all by) ::: May 23, 2011, 03:16 PM:

Rob #21:

The problem is, even a complete idiot or lunatic running on one of the two big parties' tickets has a non-negligible chance of winning. Let the Republicans nominate Palin/Bachman, and there's always some chance that they'll still win. An economic meltdown, a well-timed sex or bribery scandal, a terrorist attack, any of those things might win the Republicans the election, and deliver the white house into the hands of people who are, at best, cynically playing to the worst of their base, and at worse, are actually delusional and ignorant. (And of course there's no reason only one of those can be true....)

#23 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: May 23, 2011, 03:25 PM:

Albatross #22: And that's ignoring the issue of electoral fraud, which... well, some of us still haven't forgotten Shrub vs. Gore, and not just the court decision.

#24 ::: Steve C ::: (view all by) ::: May 23, 2011, 03:56 PM:

The nominating process has been fairly good at pruning out the true nutcases.

My take is that some of the more moderate GOP possibilities will sit this one out (like Daniels), and that Romney will most likely get the Republican nod.

The election should be interesting; Obama is not an ideologue, and is far more interested in (mostly) pragmatic approaches to problems.

#25 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: May 23, 2011, 08:47 PM:

Rob Thornton #21: We've already had Herman Cain* manage to take two sides on the question of Palestine in the same interview. Bachmann has some stiff competition.

I am curious: who is writing the script for the Republican primary campaign, Lewis Carroll, WoodAllen, Mel Brooks, or Franz Kafka?


* A former student of mine pointed out to me that Cain has already staked out the Alan Keyes/Stanley Crouch position by declaring that Barack Obama isn't a real black man. The Republican Party will shortly be declaring that black voters are racist because they won't vote for real black people.

#26 ::: Bruce E. Durocher II ::: (view all by) ::: May 23, 2011, 11:31 PM:

Fragano Ledgister: I am curious: who is writing the script for the Republican primary campaign, Lewis Carroll, WoodAllen, Mel Brooks, or Franz Kafka?

If it was Carroll there would be more logic in it, if it was Allen there'd be more funny in it, if it was Brooks there's be more funny in it accompanied by fart and/or body function jokes, and if Kafka was doing it there would be more jokes if his brother hadn't been at the manuscripts before the publisher got them. (I read a piece sometime ago that a group of translators have finally been given access to the original manuscripts and they're funny as hell.) I suspect that it's being scripted by the fine minds who wrote "The San Pedro Beach Bums," which is still considered the worst television series ever shown on a national network.

#27 ::: albatross ::: (view all by) ::: May 24, 2011, 10:41 AM:

Steve C:

Perhaps. Neither McCain nor Palin seemed to me to be functioning at 100% during the last election. Previously, in Reagan's second term, I think there's some evidence that he was undergoing some age-related mental decline, though I'm not sure that was clear (or clearly distinguishable from just being a pretty old guy under a lot of pressure and with the kind of brutal schedule required for a political campaign) when he ran for his second term.

#28 ::: Catherine ::: (view all by) ::: May 24, 2011, 10:26 PM:

Charlie @11: It may not endure as long as "the door dilated", but "President Santorum's America" is certainly an economical way to describe a dystopia, that's for sure.

#29 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: May 26, 2011, 06:56 PM:

Tim Pawlenty visited Milford, New Hampshire, today. He did not mention Sarah Palin even once. Not even when asked about her.

#30 ::: Jon Marcus ::: (view all by) ::: May 27, 2011, 12:58 PM:

Steve C @ #4:

Nate Silver isn't so sure about that:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/the-simple-case-for-taking-herman-cain-seriously/

#31 ::: Jon Marcus ::: (view all by) ::: May 27, 2011, 01:09 PM:

Oops, sorry about that. Should've tagged the link to Nate Silver.

#32 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: June 01, 2011, 07:15 AM:

And....

I've had my first Anti-Charlie-Bass Pro-Ann-Kuster robocall push-poll last night.

Looks like they're going to be hitting the Give Tax Cuts To The Rich And Make Up the Difference by Defunding Medicare line.

#33 ::: jnh ::: (view all by) ::: June 01, 2011, 09:34 AM:

Fragano Ledgister @25:

I am curious: who is writing the script for the Republican primary campaign, Lewis Carroll, Woody Allen, Mel Brooks, or Franz Kafka?

Hmm. Since Allen and Brooks are still alive, only Carrol and Kafka were available for reanimation. Zombie script writers would explain a lot.

[Poster pauses to consider Alice in Wonderland as written by Kafka. Fortunately, I am incapable of writing this pastiche on oh so many levels. Where is Mike Ford when we need him?]

#34 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: June 01, 2011, 11:44 PM:

Sarah Flippin' Palin will be down on the seacoast tomorrow, attending a barbecue. I won't be.

#35 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: June 03, 2011, 06:47 AM:

On this morning's local TV news: One anti-Charlie-Bass commercial, and one anti-Barack-Obama commercial.

#36 ::: Jim Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: June 09, 2011, 06:24 PM:

The first Republican candidates' debate is scheduled for Monday in Manchester, as news arrives that Newt Gingrich's New Hampshire strategist has left the campaign. Folks who've left include all six of Newt's paid staff in Iowa.

(Others who bailed on Newt today include one of his national co-chairs, his campaign manager, and his press secretary. Early in the season for this sort of stuff.)

The Newtster was in Hudson, New Hampshire yesterday. We'll see what Monday brings.

#37 ::: Erik Nelson ::: (view all by) ::: June 09, 2011, 07:48 PM:

Laugh about it, shout about it, when you've got to choose

any way you look at it you lose.

#38 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: June 09, 2011, 08:18 PM:

35 and 36: Are James and Jim two different people? Or is it one person posting slightly different kinds of things, and I haven't grasped the pattern yet?

#39 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: June 09, 2011, 11:30 PM:

James D. and Jim have the same Twenty Most Recent Posts, and link to the same home-page.

The difference is in which computer (the laptop or the desk model) they're posting from.

#40 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: June 10, 2011, 01:08 AM:

Guess I coulda checked that...but they still could be alters of the same person!

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