Also Breukelen and Brooklyn, but there's no news there.

:)

Love, C.

The intertwined pairs: York and New York and Amsterdam and New Amsterdam

A threesome: Zeeland, Zealand (aka Sjælland), New Zealand

I have spent the night in Manhattan, KS (there's a sign on the road from the airport welcoming you to "The Little Apple"). I have, por supuesto, lived in the much better-known Manhattan.

York (waved on the train on the way by) and New York (on a layover to Europe).

England and New England.

I've been to France and thought I remembered a town/city named New France in the Midwest, but Google says no.

South Wales and NSW
Plymouth and New Plymouth
Brighton and New Brighton, Christchurch
Windsor and New Windsor, Auckland
King's Lynn and New Lynn, Auckland presumably don't count.
I've only spent time in a New York airport
There may be a few Australian 'News' I've visited which correspond with British places I've visited (while living in London).

I have farted and become an old fart. Does that count?

...didn't think so.

Also I have been to Albany, GA but not NY.

And I've been to ports, but never to Newport News, Va.

Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anywhere called New Carthago Nova.

Perhaps less remarkably, I have gone to market, and I have gone to Newmarket, Ontario.

I find it disturbing that East Aurora, NY is about 140 miles west of Aurora, NY.

I've been to both those and to Bird In Hand as well.

Pfalz. The Palatinate. Pronouced Paltz in the local dialect of Mannheim. The Huguenots who founded New Paltz (originally Nouveau Palatinat) came through Mannheim before coming to the New World.

http://www.newpaltz.org/Calvinists.pdf

I have however been to Newham, which contains East Ham and West Ham, and is actually new - the old boroughs being smooshed together into this shiny new entity in 1965. (I've never met anybody outside politics who thinks many of the new London boroughs are real places or actual communities, but that's another story.)

I've been to New South Wales but not South Wales.

(I've also been to any number of castles, and to Newcastle.)

It's not "new", but I've spent more time in Inverness, California than in Inverness, Scotland.

And I've been to a couple of New York homonyms: Haarlem and Breukelen, as well as their namesakes.

I've lived in Uppsala for a long time and pass through Old Uppsala every day.

Have been to Windsor and Old Windsor, but they're less than five miles apart.

For reasons which are too complicated to summarise in a quickfire blog comment (which is all I have time for at the moment) my sympathies are with the former. But I must admit that when I heard this particular piece of news, I felt that a countersuit should have been launched under the Trades Descriptions Act.

For what it's worth, I once lived in a building dating back to (I think) the sixteenth century that was called 'New Buildings'. For most of the rest of my life I have lived in buildings, which were considerably younger.

That's about the best I can do.

Kitchener, Ontario was called Berlin until 1916. I've been there and in Berlin, Germany. No, I still haven't read the question.

Scotland and Nova Scotia. There. And branches of Scotiabank, which was the top result when I searched for Scotia with Google.

My sister-in-law is from Birmingham, but not the one you're thinking of. No, not that one either. (There's a teeny-tiny one in north Georgia.)

I work in Long Beach, but probably not the one of those you're thinking of.

At the University of Minnesota, there were a lot of temporary buildings put up after WWII to accommodate GI Bill students. They were called things like "Temporary West of Mines" or "Temporary North of Engineering." This led to a tradition in of calling the Newman Center "Temporary West of Rome."

As for the original question, I guess I've got:
York and New York
England and New England

Also:
Wales and Cambria, WI

Been to Berlin, WI and Friesland, WI, but didn't get to their namesakes when Juan and I were in Germany and the Netherlands, alas.

On a tangential note, Winnipeg, Manitoba has a suburb called East St. Paul. St. Paul, Minnesota, has West St. Paul and South* St. Paul and North St. Paul. Back when I lived in St. Paul, a bunch of us thought we ought to offer to trade with Winnipeg; we'd take East St. Paul to complete our set, and offer them Maplewood and Little Canada.

* South St. Paul is east of West St. Paul. No, really. Directions in St. Paul do that. Don't get me started on Sixth Street and Seventh Street, which used to be arranged so that they were parallel except where they crossed each other.

Do train stations count? If so, I've been to 横浜 and 新横浜 (Yokohama and Shin-Yokohama -- Yokohama and new Yokohama), 大阪 and 新大阪 (Osaka and Shin-Osaka -- same as above). There are probably airport variations on that, but I'm not sure I could count any (I think the official name for Narita is actually something like New Tokyo International Airport -- but I've never been to Haneda anyway, which would be the old one. I'm too lazy to look it up, though).

Also, 新宿 (Shinjuku) and 原宿 (Harajuku), which could be translated as New Inn and Original Inn (although the "original" character could also be translated as field or meadow, so that's a bit ambiguous).

I knew all that traveling I did as a child would come in useful someday...

I have, however, gone to the End of the World (Cabo Fisterra in Galicia). Never to the beginning, wherever that is.

There is, alas, no "Old Siberian City" to pair with Novosibirsk.

And New Delhi is inside Delhi.

American University in Washington has a New Lecture Hall, which is more than 40 years old.

I may have visited other Newports as well, though I don't recall them, and I have certainly been to plenty of ports, including ones with Port in the name. And I have had desserts made with port while in Newport.

Spain, Mexico and New Mexico and the U.S. southwest generally, share many a 'Nuevo' -- as well multitudes of town and place names that don't even bother with nuevo. For example how many Belén there are, and not a one of them Nuevo, evidently assuming we all know the true Bethlehem. And then, in Portuguese colonies too, though that would be Belém. I've stayed many nights in hotels even, in Spain, Portugual, Mexico and Brasil and even Nuevo Mexico, where I lived for a long time.

Love, C.

Love, C.

Which reminds me of one of my favorite exits in Oakland, which reads like a theatrical setting:

A Street/Downtown

Fragano @12: There's also a Hell in Norway - it has/had a railway station where the goods/freight office carried the notice "Hell - Godspedition", which was always good for a photo by visiting English speakers; when the station caught fire, the British railway magazines came up with the headline "Hell Burns Down".

[,,,] I have, however, gone to the End of the World (Cabo Fisterra in Galicia). Never to the beginning, wherever that is.

I was excited to think of Rapa Nui, "the navel of the world". Unfortunately, Wikipedia goes on:
However, there are two words pronounced pito in Rapa Nui, one meaning 'navel' and one 'end', and the phrase can thus also mean "land's end".

In St. Paul on 94 there is the Cretin-Vandalia exit. Cretin's named for Joseph Crétin, first RC Bishop of St. Paul, a town that used to be named Pig's Eye. And yep, there is a Cretin High School, now Cretin-Durham Hall High School. I don't know where Vandalia Street got its name. It's interesting having a freeway exit that seems to promise cretins and vandals.

Oh, well.

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I pulled out my old Rand McNally International Atlas, and there are nearly seven full columns in rather small type of "New ..." There is also a column of "Neu ..." and about 40 "Nuevo/neuva ..." and two columns of "Novo/novyi ..." and one of "Nova ..." etc.

My favorite result is that I've been to nowhere and to "New" (N.C.).

Like others here, York and New York; England and New England; Scotland and Nova Scotia; both Vancouvers; and Cambridge, England, and Cambridge, Mass. (Not counting France and New France, because the latter hasn't been called that in a long time.)

The best I can do on train stations is that I've also been to a Hong Kong subway station called "Times Square" and regularly use the Times Square station in New York.

(I've been to castles older than Newcastle, and I've been to Kastro but its castle is newer - does that count? Or does Chester (from the Roman castra)? I haven't been to Oldcastle.)

The area where I grew up is known as being on the Salisbury Plain (Long Island), and I have also been to Salisbury, England.

And sometimes the olds and news just keep piling up. When I was growing up I visited a historic site called the Old Newgate Prison, in East Granby, Connecticut. It got its name from Newgate Prison in London (which seems to have been originally named for its proximity to a "new" -- now quite old -- London city gate). The American version then was in a sense a "new" Newgate, which long after it ceased to be a prison acquired the "old" part of its present name.

Its Wikipedia article reports that it recently was closed for restoration. So if I go to visit it again after it reopens, for me it will basically be the new Old Newgate Prison.

(For some reason I'm okay with giving streets names that are ordinal numbers, but not names that are alphabet letters -- possibly just familiarity, since I grew up in Berkeley and Oakland, that have the one and not the other; also maybe because numbers are an infinite naming scheme while letters run out after only 26 instances.)

Washington, DC manages to keep it going a ways longer. The first set of streets has letter names in alphabetical order. Then you get a sequence of two-syllable names in alphabetical order. Then you get a sequence of *three-syllable* names in alphabetical order. (They then go to alphabetical plant names instead of 4-syllable names at the northern end of the District, but you could see how they could keep this up in various ways indefinitely.)

I lived in Portland, Oregon which was named for Portland, Maine (which we visit with "nearest city over 50K" frequency) but I don't think I've been to New Portland, Maine except perhaps by accident on the way to somewhere else.

I've been to/through New York state but not really New York city (unless you count the airport), and York, Maine but not York, England.

A large portion of Maine seems to be named for somewhere else, anyway (or at least for people for whom lots of other things have been named.)

Evidence Thereof. (link goes to a photo I thought I'd put on Flickr awhile ago, but apparently not.)

Where I was in west Texas, the north-south streets were alphabetical, but using real words or places.
Trees: Ash, Beech, Cedar
Places: Austin, Baltimore, Columbia (out to Xenia an Zephyr, then starting over with Amarillo)

It does become problematic with some letters - there are only so many options for Q, X, and Z - but it works for at least thirty-five streets.

But neither of those are News. If I've been to Toronto (I might have done, when I was very small), would that count as a pair with New York? York being the former name of Toronto, several centuries back.

I have always wanted to visit Uppsala, Sweden, since I grew up in Upsala, Ontario.

I've been to Norway, ME and Manchester, NH, and London, ON, but not their namesakes.

I'm pleased to see that a googling of "new Seattle" comes up with...nothing.

I've spent time in the Bronx and I grew up Bronxville, but I think that is really pushing your metaphor.

By the way, for people who want to contrast between Old and New, I know people who have been to Old Providence (Providencia Island, Colombia) and New Providence, the location of the capital of the Bahamas.* In fact, one such person is an editor for whom I work. I don't know if he's also been to Providence, RI.

* New Providence was so named because the colony was established by settlers who had been expelled from Old Providence (originally just 'Providence') by the Spaniards. At some point someone has got to write a coherent history of British colonisation of the southwestern corner of the Caribbean. I am not that someone.

That's the only pair I know for sure.

The Pont Neuf is actually the oldest bridge across the Seine. And then there's the Old New Synagogue (Czech: Staronová synagoga; German: Altneu-Synagoge) in Prague:

The Old New Synagogue (Czech: Staronová synagoga; German: Altneu-Synagoge) situated in Josefov, Prague, is Europe's oldest active synagogue. It is also the oldest surviving medieval synagogue of twin nave design. Completed in 1270 in gothic style, it was one of Prague's first gothic buildings. A still older Prague synagogue, known as the Old Synagogue, was demolished in 1867 and replaced by the Spanish Synagogue. The synagogue was originally called the New or Great Synagogue and later, when newer synagogues were built in the 16th century, it became known as the Old-New Synagogue.

Not "New", but same:
Lexington, KY; Lexington, MA; Lexington, TX
Newport, OR; Newport, KY; Newport, RI
Mountain Home, AR; Mountain Home, TX
Portland, OR; Portland, ME
Rockport, ME; Rockport, TX
Essex, CT; Essex, MA
Richmond, KY; Richmond, UK
La Grange, KY; La Grange, TX
Cambridge, MA; Cambridge, MD; Cambridge, UK
Florence, IT; Florence, TX; Florence, KY
Pasadena, TX; Pasadena, CA
Arlington, MA; Arlington, TX
Oxford, UK; Oxford, MD
Fayette County, KY; Fayette County, TX

Not "New", but additive:
Frederick, MD; Fredericksburg, TX
Saratoga, CA; Saratoga Springs, NY
Eureka, CA; Eureka Springs, AR
Campbell, CA; Campbellsville, KY

Stretching it:
San Francisco, CA; Frisco, TX
Santa Croce sestiere of Venice; Santa Cruz, CA
Georgetown, KY; Georgetown, TX; Georgetown area of Washington DC
Hyde Park in London UK; Hyde Park neighborhood, Austin, TX
Ravenna, IT; Ravenna neighborhood of Seattle, WA

No, no, Delhi is in Delaware County, NY, home of Delhi Tech. My late Uncle Dick wrote a tongue-in-cheek piece about the relationship between Delhi, NY and New Delhi, India.

If train stations count: London (England); New London, CT

England; New England

Scotland; Nova Scotia

Hmm, Montgomery County, PA; Montgomery County, MD?

Chester (England); Chester, PA; West Chester, PA (no, they're not next to each other.)

Providence, RI; Upper Providence Twp, PA; Lower Providence Twp, PA (Like Chester, PA and West Chester, PA nowhere near each other)

Worcester, MA; Worcester, PA (not pronounced the same and possibly only if blowing through on the PA Turnpike counts); I don't believe I made it to Worcester, England.

I'm not even going to try to guess about place names in Wales vis the Main Line. I just don't remember that trip well enough. For those who don't know, the Main Line outside Philadelphia is loaded with Welsh names, many of them actual Welsh place names. That includes several of the dorms at Bryn Mawr College, my alma mater. "Bryn mawr" itself means something like "big hill" and may not have an exact analogue in Wales although there are plenty of big hills in that country.

If I think of any others, I'll add them.

Once I had car trouble at Sugarloaf Mountain, Maryland, which is north of Washington DC, on the border between Montgomery and Frederick County Maryland. I called AAA for help. Due to some glitch in the DC-metro-area AAA phone system, I was routed to a Virginia dispatcher rather than a Maryland one.

We went around in circles for several minutes before he realized the problem. See, Virginia has a Montgomery County, a Frederick County, and a Sugarloaf Mountain ... but they aren't next to each other, and so my description of my location made no sense at all to him.

I've been to both Newark, NJ and Newark, OH.

Both of these are bigger in Iowa.

There's also a Mt Vernon, WA, Mt Vernon, IA (which I think I've just barely missed going though), and the original GW's house in Virginia. I grew up within the bounds of one of the fields of the plantation. Cornell College is in Mt Vernon, IA. I went to Cornell University, (Ithaca, NY), which is not in a place called Mt Vernon.

When I was younger, I had this fantasy that the world's geometry was multiply connected, so that everything that had the same name was actually the same place. I would spend long car rides looking for the fastest way to traverse the wrinkled space, because clearly the interstate system wasn't following the optimal geometric paths.

Yet.

Also, I've been to the New River, but never just the River.

I have visited both Vancouvers.

And I will offer a twist question: have you visited, lived in, or heard of the American town whose name is an elision of the Old World hometown? Example: Narbonne, France became Gnaw Bone, Indiana. h/t les Voyageurs.

In my list of places whose famous namesakes I've never been to, Cedars of Lebanon (State Park, TN). Which probably now has more cedars than the original Lebanon. Also Mars Hill (GA) but not the one Paul argued with people on.

But I HAVE been to both Monticello, GA and the Jefferson estate for which it is named. So HA!

Also, while I've been to ME, I've never been to Paradise.

Is the game extendable to Overs and Unders? And/or to places that take their name from some other country and pronounce it in the USAan fashion instead, so that you can't tell just by the spelling?

--Dave, Torpenhow Hill

Okay, I'll bite: which bit of the planet is this? I'm sure I'm missing something at least slightly obvious...

If we're including same-name cities...
Nashville, TN and Nashville, IN
Pasadena, TX and Pasadena, CA
Huntsville, TX and Huntsville, AL

Conversely, I've visited Mt. Juliet, TN which is absolutely unique AFAIK.

janetl, #3: Heh. The original Empire Builder rail-game (and its successor, North American Rails) includes both Portlands. There was one memorable game in which someone spent a lot of money building track to the wrong one, and (understandably IMO) bowed out of the game upon discovering the error.

Janet C., #5: Well, they tell me I was born there, but I really don't remember.
And now I have an earworm.

Tom, #57: I used to play with how wonderful it would be if all freeway exits with the same name went to the same place -- so one could easily get to Albany NY from Albany CA, just by getting on and off the freeway.

My version of this involves something like stepping disks or a transporter booth, such that you can go from City A to any City B with the same name. As much as my partner and I travel, it's a nice little fantasy.

Dave, #59: Heh. Reminds me of this tribute to a Detroit-area icon. (Warning -- language NSFW.)

elise, #61: There's an exit sign along I-12E in Louisiana for Baptist / Pumpkin Center. Except without the slash and stacked vertically. Due to the directional conventions of highway signs, if you're driving west it says Pumpkin Center / Baptist, which is less amusing.

London, UK. The Eastern hemisphere is (definitionally, as it were) anything east of the Greenwich meridian and the Western anything west of.

I used to work at a place where I frequently crossed the meridian on foot going to or from the office, these days I mostly cross it while under ground, so am less aware of the exact moment.

I suspect "live in the Eastern, work in the Western" is more common (in London, at least) than the converse.

One's a large city in Yorkshire (where I grew up); the other is a late mediaeval fortress in the South.

I remember that sign and that interchange (it lies on the stretch of interstate between my parents' home and where I attended university) but never had reason to drive through Baptist or Pumpkin Center.

Or to remember having done so, anyway. Probably I did at some point; I did a lot of driving on the back roads of that part of Louisiana in the extremely late 1980s.

And both the Kirtons.

And a couple of Appleby... OK, how do you make the plural of that? That was on a rail trip to Glasgow.

Well, on the principle that the plural of "mongoose" is "a mongoose, and also another mongoose"...

And I regularly visit both Newark NJ (pronounced Nu-werk), or at least it's airport, and Newark DE (pronounced New-ark). And while the conductors on the train may know the difference, the phone customer service people at Amtrak DO NOT, as I learned when I very nearly missed my sister's rehearsal dinner as a result of my failure to elaborate (while there may be trains once an hour through the NJ stop, there was only one a day that stopped in DE).

There are a *lot* of places called after Brighton in the world. Maybe up to twenty of them. It seems to have been the default name for a seaside resort in the early and mid-19th century.

The other old coastal resorts in Britain, such as Scarborough and Margate don't get anywhere near the number of new towns bamed for them. (And that upstart Blackpool has few or none)

A few weeks back, my wife and daughter ran from Europe to Asia. And I do intercontinental bus trips on a fairly regular basis.

I don't recall having visited Newport, Rhode Island, though.