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      <description>New York Times, &quot;Egypt Widens Crackdown and Meaning of 'Islamist.'&quot; Bruce Schneier, &quot;Mission Creep: When Everything Is Terrorism.&quot; First, establish...</description>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #1 from Serge Broom</title>
         <description>comment from Serge Broom on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me neither.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013  8:52 AM by Serge Broom&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #2 from xeger</title>
         <description>comment from xeger on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the [...] party?"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013  9:54 AM by xeger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #3 from Girl Detective</title>
         <description>comment from Girl Detective on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collective bargaining = workplace terrorism</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013 10:00 AM by Girl Detective&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #4 from Stefan Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Stefan Jones on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who say robots aren't real are probably robots.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013 10:47 AM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #5 from praisegod barebones</title>
         <description>comment from praisegod barebones on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way in which it can (theoretically) stop is if a large number of people self-consciously adopt the 'Bad Guy' label. That's what happened in Turkey this summer, when the Prime Minister dismissed protestors as 'just a bunch of çapulcu (roughly speaking - 'hooligans'), only to find a large number of people proudly identifying themselves as such over the next couple of months. But I guess I can't see much chance of a large and prestigious group of English-speakers  choosing to identify themselves as 'terrorists'.  (I suspect that the picture is much more complicated wrt 'Islamist' in Egypt, not least because there are a substantial number of self-identifying Islamists who aren't MB but belong to a rival political grouping.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013 10:50 AM by praisegod barebones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #6 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are the partner of a journalist, you are committing terrorism by changing planes in London.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013 11:38 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #7 from elise</title>
         <description>comment from elise on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>praisegod barebones @5: Are we all Spartacus yet?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013 12:00 PM by elise&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #8 from abi</title>
         <description>comment from abi on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we are all <a href="http://www.neatorama.com/2013/08/13/Literally-Now-Literally-Means-Figuratively/" rel="nofollow">literally</a> terrorists now.</p>

<p>(Speaking of words whose meaning has been broadening.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013 12:13 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #9 from David M. Perry (@Lollardfish)</title>
         <description>comment from David M. Perry (@Lollardfish) on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn't stop, but specifics can be stopped and fought. Just because it's a moving target doesn't mean we can't work on one or another of them - Communists, Islamists, Homosexuals (see Russia), etc.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013 12:43 PM by David M. Perry (@Lollardfish)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #10 from The Raven</title>
         <description>comment from The Raven on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can see, revolution, military defeat, or exhaustion.  Come to that, I think exhaustion is setting in.</p>

<p>But it's going to be a rough ride getting there!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013  1:45 PM by The Raven&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #11 from Dave Bell</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite prepared to describe myself as an Anarchist, in the tradition of such as Proudhon, Kropotkin, and even Bakunin. Any political movement which can survive the attentions of Hitler, Stalin, and Francisco Franco (all of whom are still dead) cannot be ignored.</p>

<p>The development of Anarchism feeds into the more general rise of organised labour, which is something that terrified the powerful of the USA. There are strong echoes of the Palmer Raids in what is happening now.</p>

<p>Britain had a Labour Prime Minister by 1923, the illegitimate child of a Scots household servant.</p>

<p>Clement Atlee, the next man to be a Labour Prime Minister, wrote: <i>Charity is a cold grey loveless thing. If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim.</i></p>

<p>British politics is different.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013  2:36 PM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #12 from Chris</title>
         <description>comment from Chris on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Enemies of the State."<br />
"Counterrevolutionaries."<br />
"Witches."</p>

<p>The words change, but the tune remains the same.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013  7:01 PM by Chris&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #13 from Charlie Stross</title>
         <description>comment from Charlie Stross on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it will only stop when the Owners find that the enforcers of the War on Badguyism have become so indiscriminately pestiferous that they appear to have forgotten who they work for, who Owns them. At which point the choke-chain will be yanked <em>hard</em>. Or a new and orthogonal Badguyism will be defined that does not menace the Owners.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013  7:52 PM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #14 from Rick York</title>
         <description>comment from Rick York on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even at 69, I continue to be stunned at the US government's persistent and willful ignorance of the history of places we decide to invade. Afghanistan is the classic case in point; 2 millenia of would be conquerors failing. But, we're smarter/tougher/more powerful than any of them. Right?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013  8:16 PM by Rick York&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #15 from heresiarch</title>
         <description>comment from heresiarch on 25.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Charles Stross @ 13:</b> <i>"I suspect it will only stop when the Owners find that the enforcers of the War on Badguyism have become so indiscriminately pestiferous that they appear to have forgotten who they work for, who Owns them."</i></p>

<p>I rather think the breaking point will come when the Powers That Be find that the War on Badguyism has so riled the proles that it is more trouble than it is worth. You may take this as either sign of my touching faith in the power of collective action, or sign of my cynical conviction that the War on Badguyism will ever substantially inconvenience anyone who really matters.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2013 11:08 PM by heresiarch&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #16 from janetl</title>
         <description>comment from janetl on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in some news from the state of Oregon, a court of appeals has spanked the feds for taking a tax fraud case and dressing it up as terrorism: <a href="Islamic charity founder Pete Seda 'vindicated' by ruling saying feds tried to turn tax fraud into terrorism" rel="nofollow"></a>.<br />
<em>Government prosecutors withheld "significant impeachment evidence" by not telling the trial court that one of its key witnesses had been paid by the FBI, the appeals court found.</em><br />
<em>The panel also concluded that FBI agents, who obtained a search warrant from a U.S. magistrate for Seda's home and the charity's office, "went well beyond" the limitations imposed by the order when they searched Seda's computer hard drives.</em><br />
<em>"The appeal illustrates the fine line between the government's use of relevant evidence to document motive for a cover-up and its use of inflammatory, unrelated evidence about Osama Bin-Laden and terrorist activity that prejudices the jury," McKeown wrote.</em></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013 12:52 AM by janetl&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #17 from Bruce Cohen (Speaker to Managers)</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (Speaker to Managers) on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our best hope may lie in the fact that governments are not monolithic. What finally brought McCarthy down was going after Bad Guys in the Army, which had its own notions of how to root out Bad Guys. The SS,  the SD, and the Gestqpo spent a lot of time in circular firing squad mode. And even divine beings don't have clearance to know how often the FBI and the CIA have stepped on each other trying to find enemy agents in each other's agencies (John Jesus Angleton is proof that just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  2:17 AM by Bruce Cohen (Speaker to Managers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #18 from Bruce Cohen, Gnomed</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen, Gnomed on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last comment is in the gnomic towers. My guess is either bad spacing because I'm typing on the software keyboard, or excessive Godwination. There's some leftover T-bone steak and a bottle of Obsidian Stout if the duty gnome is feeling peckish.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  2:21 AM by Bruce Cohen, Gnomed&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #19 from Bruce Cohen Gnome Friend</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen Gnome Friend on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that's annoying. My comment reporting that my previous comment was gnomed, has been gnomed. I'm beginning to feel like a Lisp function.</p>

<p>[Your URL reads "http://Http://...." which is going to get gnomeed every time. -- JDM]  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  2:23 AM by Bruce Cohen Gnome Friend&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #20 from Charlie Stross</title>
         <description>comment from Charlie Stross on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heresiarch @15: I'm afraid I take your position to be a touching display of faith in the intelligence of the Owners.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  4:35 AM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #21 from Dave Bell</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the rules of British politics seems to be that you talk about starting a war on a Bank Holiday Weekend.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  5:27 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #22 from Seth Gordon</title>
         <description>comment from Seth Gordon on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick@14: The party line, of course, is that the US wasn’t trying to <em>conquer</em> Afghanistan... just trying to help their government, which was friendly to us, fight a mutual enemy.</p>

<p>Of course, the Soviets thought they were doing the same thing in 1979, right?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  8:13 AM by Seth Gordon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #23 from Theophylact</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's what the British thought they were doing in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War" rel="nofollow">1838</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  9:42 AM by Theophylact&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #24 from David Wald</title>
         <description>comment from David Wald on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obligatory <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-17-2009/the-unwinnable-war-in-afghanistan" rel="nofollow">Daily Show</a> reference on Afghanistan from 2009.</p>

<p>(Summary for those out of the range of streaming: Afghanistan is the video game level that no one has yet beaten.  You might not get anything out of going to war there, but you could get on the high score board.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013 11:21 AM by David Wald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #25 from Nancy Lebovitz</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 ::: David Wald </p>

<p>I'd come up with a variant of the joke at the end: anyone who's worried about Chinese dominance should be trying to convince the Chinese that Afghanistan is really western Tibet.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013 11:49 AM by Nancy Lebovitz&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #26 from Miramon</title>
         <description>comment from Miramon on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Where does this stop? I don’t see it stopping.</p>

<p>I agree. However, this is nothing new. This has been going on since the most ancient records of politics and war that we have. </p>

<p>Divisive hateful propaganda is SOP for motivating support for an unpopular regime, policy, or war, and false accusations of "ism" are one of the simplest and most effective means.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013 11:58 AM by Miramon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #27 from David M. Perry (@Lollardfish)</title>
         <description>comment from David M. Perry (@Lollardfish) on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming soon: Cartels. </p>

<p>http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-secondary-boogeyman-cartel-invasion.html</p>

<p>You know, because Communist doesn't work any more and Terrorist is losing its punch.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013 12:12 PM by David M. Perry (@Lollardfish)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #28 from Gerald Fnord</title>
         <description>comment from Gerald Fnord on 26.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't see it ever stopping for humans-as-we-are*.  Even when a category has a very obvious <em>koinos kosmos</em> referent or set of them---e.g., at war, on the ground, the 'enemy' are the ones intentionally and repeatedly shooting at you---a category can become so useful in its proper sphere that the temptation to heedlessly use it elsewhere is great, likely by believing that 'its proper sphere' includes anything with which we're concerned.  So, famously, every opponent becomes an instance of 'enemy' and any conflict a 'war'.</p>

<p>I think that if this is the case for categories with 'real' referents, it is so but worse for categories at base referring to mental constructs---such categorisations are at least resistant, and sometimes seemingly impervious, to falsification via observation.  </p>

<p>And I think it likely that contention over the mental map is both an expression of deeper territorial imperatives and feeds back into them---eventually enough people with enough power decide that the Angolan guerrillas were 'terrorists damaging Chevron's property' rather than 'anti-Marxist freedom-fighters', and the question of who will own actual territory in Angola gets an answer different to what it might otherwise had been. </p>

<p>*I am inherently sceptical of trans-humanism...but then I look at humanity, including within, and tend toward thinking that it were worth a shot <i>faute de mieux</i>...but there's a bootstrapping issue there of the sort that Calvinism gets around by invoking 'grace'. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  3:20 PM by Gerald Fnord&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #29 from Clifton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #14, 19-22: In the realm of black humor, I've got a "World Championship" chart somewhere or other - I can't remember where I found it - with many of the world's wars throughout history listed in the form of a tournament play-offs chart.</p>

<p>The final game, yet to be scheduled, will pit Vietnam against Afghanistan for the world championship; U.S. and Russia will eventually have to compete for 3rd place. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  4:05 PM by Clifton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #30 from heresiarch</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Charlie Stross @ 17:</b> <i>"I'm afraid I take your position to be a touching display of faith in the intelligence of the Owners."</i></p>

<p>Fair point, though perhaps my touching faith is in the ability of riled proles to clearly <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/americas/brazil-fare-protests" rel="nofollow">articulate</a> their <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/26/us-soccer-fifa-confederations-analysis-idUSBRE95P04F20130626" rel="nofollow">displeasure</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  5:31 PM by heresiarch&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #31 from heresiarch, gnomed</title>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  5:45 PM by heresiarch, gnomed&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #32 from Bruce Cohen -Gnomed</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late Yesterday I had 3 comments in succession gnomed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  6:25 PM by Bruce Cohen -Gnomed&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #33 from Henry Troup </title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy Lebovitz @#22<br />
That is absolutely brilliant. I shall quote that whenever apropos. I've been recounting the history of the graveyard of empires in sundry places. But I hadn't thought of who might be the next in line.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013  8:39 PM by Henry Troup &lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #34 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>29<br />
i found a <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/and-i-also-shouldnt-just-embed-charts-from-spy/254387/" rel="nofollow">link</a> for the bracket chart.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2013 11:22 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #35 from janetl</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spy magazine had some very fine moments.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 27, 2013 12:29 AM by janetl&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #36 from Clifton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Spy Magazine, of course... which certainly seems on-topic. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 27, 2013  2:55 AM by Clifton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #37 from Doug</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the treats of that Spy chart is the bracket of "Poland vs Poland 992-1939 (OT)".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 27, 2013  4:55 AM by Doug&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #38 from Cally Soukup</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Cohen: Your gnomed post has been rescued. It's at 17. You had some problem with your namefield URL.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 27, 2013  5:40 PM by Cally Soukup&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #39 from janeyolen</title>
         <description>comment from janeyolen on 31.Aug.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have now taken down the name of everyone commenting on this as you are all clearly bad guys, bad hats, bastards, and bats, any of which automatically puts you on the list.</p>

<p>Me included, alas. Unless, of course, I am undercover.</p>

<p>Jane</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 31, 2013  4:25 PM by janeyolen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #40 from Raka</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>janeyolen @39: Being undercover protects you from being on the list yourself?  You evidently inhabit a finer class of dystopia than the ones I'm acquainted with.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September  4, 2013  6:01 PM by Raka&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Different worlds, same game -- comment #41 from Girl Detective</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god, I was *kidding* </p>

<p>Reality seems to be always two steps ahead of satire these days</p>

<p>"Education Secretary Rod Paige said Monday that the National Education Association, one of the nation's largest labor unions, was like ''a terrorist organization'' because of the way it was resisting many provisions of a school improvement law pushed through Congress by President Bush in 2001."<br />
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/24/us/education-chief-calls-union-terrorist-then-recants.html</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 11, 2013 10:30 AM by Girl Detective&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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