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September 2, 2013

Well, that didn’t suck
Posted by Patrick at 06:47 AM *

hugo2013.JPG To the right, my third Hugo Award for editing SF novels.

What I said, more or less:

I want to thank a long list of people for helping with my various editorial and publishing projects in 2012, but I can’t possibly read out the full list, so I’ll stick to thanking Tor’s publisher Tom Doherty and the many awesome writers whose novels I was privileged to help publish in 2012, including but not limited to John Scalzi, Jo Walton, David Weber, Hannu Rajaniemi, Steven Brust, Cory Doctorow, and the two-headed team of Cory Doctorow with Charles Stross.

Most of all, I want to thank Teresa Nielsen Hayden, my spouse, best friend, co-editor, and collaborator in pretty much everything. I’ve won a couple of previous Hugos, but as luck would have it, they were both presented at Worldcons that Teresa didn’t attend. I’ve been saying for some time that my one remaining major award ambition was to win one of these when Teresa was in the room. ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED.

Other winners here. Particularly chuffed over Scalzi’s Redshirts and the Campbell win for Viable Paradise grad Mur Lafferty. A good night. Hell yes.

(Aside from weighing a ton, it’s a pretty cool Hugo. Click on the image for a popup affording a closer view of the base, designed by Texas cast-bronze artist Vincent Villafranca.)

Comments on Well, that didn't suck:
#2 ::: Mris ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 08:20 AM:

Congrats!

#3 ::: John A. McColley ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 08:33 AM:

Well done, congrats!

#4 ::: Geri Sullivan ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 09:01 AM:

Hipity hip hooray!

#5 ::: dcb ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 09:01 AM:

Congratulations! And that base looks great.

#6 ::: Michael I ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 09:06 AM:

Congratulations!

#7 ::: Dave Keck ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 09:07 AM:

These pointy statues are a testament to that good taste of yours -- and, just as importantly, to that long-standing deep engagement with the field that is so much a part of who you are. Congratulations.

#8 ::: oldster ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 09:22 AM:

well done!

I read that list of authors you worked with in 2012 and thought--
awards are nice, but it would be an incredible prize just to work with those people.

Makes me think you must be doing something right!

#9 ::: Adam Lipkin ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 09:31 AM:

Congratulations! And this was one of the speeches that those of us watching on the stream got to see in its entirety, too.

#10 ::: Michael Weholt ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 09:33 AM:

Well played, sir! And I'm especially pleased your accomplice was there with you.

#11 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 10:38 AM:

Go Patrick!

#12 ::: Em ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 10:53 AM:

Congratulations! That is an awesome Hugo.

#13 ::: Anne Sheller ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 11:12 AM:

Go Team Nielsen Hayden!

#14 ::: Dave Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 11:14 AM:

Third editing Hugo, Congratulations!

Will you be bowing out for future rounds?

#15 ::: Mongoose ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 11:29 AM:

Congratulations!

#16 ::: Janet K ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 11:44 AM:

Congratulations!

#17 ::: Miramon ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 11:50 AM:

Grats! I've never met either of the NHs (will do so at VP XVII in a month or so), but I've always thought of TOR as the highest level brand in the genre, so this is certainly a well-deserved honor.

#18 ::: joann ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 11:51 AM:

Most hearty congratters!

#19 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 11:56 AM:

Congratulations!

#20 ::: Andrew M ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:10 PM:

Congratulations!

#21 ::: Brooks Moses ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:28 PM:

Congratulations, indeed! And I'll second what oldster @8 said -- and I think it also says something considerable about your editing skills that these authors find them valuable. (I recall several of them speaking highly of the value of good editing.)

Also, as a reader of books by many of those authors: Thank you.

#22 ::: Edmund Schweppe ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:28 PM:

Excellent! (Especially having TNH in the room this time.)

#23 ::: Clifton ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:37 PM:

Congratulations!

#24 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:38 PM:

Congratulations! (has Teresa come down from the ceiling yet?)

#25 ::: Cally Soukup ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:39 PM:

Congratulations! Are you shipping it home or carrying it?

#26 ::: Heather Rose Jones ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:41 PM:

Congratulations!

#27 ::: Michael Weholt ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:49 PM:

Cally Soukup #25: Are you shipping it home or carrying it?

I believe, traditionally, Hugos are sent home via semi-aimed magnetic rail guns, sometimes with the winners attached via bungee.

Though having never won one myself, I could have that wrong.

#28 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 12:59 PM:

I imagine Teresa is still incandescent with joy. Did anyone think to measure the candlepower?

I'm delighted. For both of you. But you knew that.

#29 ::: Andrew Wells ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 02:00 PM:

Well done!

#30 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 02:05 PM:

Congratulations!

NB: based on anecdata I strongly recommend asking the Hugo folks to ship it to you. If you must fly with your shiny, I especially recommend not packing it in a carry-on with any tubular metal objects with pistol grips and sighting mechanisms attached.

#31 ::: Bob Webber ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 02:18 PM:

Congratulations on another well-earned award.

#32 ::: Kevin Riggle ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 04:32 PM:

Saw this last night -- congrats!

#33 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 05:33 PM:

Adding my voice to the congratulatory chorus!

#34 ::: Chaomancer ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 05:39 PM:

Congratulations!

That is indeed an awesome base. All their base are belong to you?

#35 ::: elise ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 06:21 PM:

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED. Yes! I was grinning so big when it was announced, and imagining the both of you in paroxysms of delight.

#36 ::: Malaclypse ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 06:27 PM:

Congratulations!

#37 ::: Xopher Halftongue ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 06:34 PM:

Congratulations! (I'm singing this to that bit in My Fair Lady.)

#38 ::: Teka Lynn ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 06:41 PM:

Congratulations! (Sung, if you like, to the tune by Sylvia Night, though I don't know why anyone would want to.)

#39 ::: Laina ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 07:30 PM:

Congratulations, Patrick!

#40 ::: Megpie71 ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 07:46 PM:

Congratulations.

#41 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 08:12 PM:

Someone needs to knit a red shirt / sleeve for Scalzi's Hugo.

#42 ::: skzb ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 08:35 PM:

So very, very pleased about all of this.

#43 ::: Tam ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 10:33 PM:

Adding my congrats to the chorus. I'm delighted Theresa could be there to see it too!

#44 ::: Tam is abashed ::: (view all by) ::: September 02, 2013, 10:35 PM:

(And with apologies to Teresa, whose name I really should know how to spell.)

#45 ::: Wrye ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 01:00 AM:

Fantastic! Congratulations! ... huh. that makes... It's been...I've been reading and commenting here for about ten years. So...thank you guys for this space, as well. Even if it doesn't generate so many awards.

#46 ::: Pendrift ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 06:10 AM:

Yay! Congratulations!

#47 ::: Sandy B. ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 07:36 AM:

Shiny, pointy, congrats!

#48 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 08:23 AM:

Congratulations! Up on the screen, as you walked onto the stage, came the name "Patrick Neilsen Hayden". I wondered what you would make of that.

#49 ::: Victoria ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 09:55 AM:

Congratulations!

#50 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 10:40 AM:

I wanted to congratulate you in person after the Ceremony, but things looked pretty hectic.

#51 ::: Caroline ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 12:32 PM:

Congratulations, Patrick! So excited!

#52 ::: eric ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 03:26 PM:

Congratulations!

#53 ::: Cadbury Moose ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 05:30 PM:

Fully deserved!

What they tell you three times is true.

Congratulations from this moose too.

#54 ::: Elizabeth ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 06:02 PM:

Congratulations! Does this mean Jo serenaded you this year?

#55 ::: heresiarch ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 08:06 PM:

Well-earned!

#56 ::: heresiarch ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 08:50 PM:

Carrying the Hugo home! Why the idea. "Home" indeed. I would have thought it common knowledge, in these circles at least, that the Hugo is less a prize than a ritual weapon, used by the recipient (hereafter "sacrificial victim") as a bludgeon to force back the Unspeakable Horrors Beneath for another year before the sacrificial victim (hereafter "poor bloody fool") is consumed.

The notoriously heavy base takes on a whole new significance in this light, of course.

Some are thrown by this. After all, isn't Mr. Nielsen Hayden himself a multiple Hugo poor bloody fool? (Hereafter "selfless martyr.") To that I shall only offer this correction: I believe you are referring to Misters Nielsen Hayden mark one through three. The PNH clone line has been quite productive, I think it fair to say.

And here you thought previous selfless martyrs excusing themselves from contention was an act of humility and goodsportsmartyrship.

So I conclude with congratulations, and also condolences! And a hearty welcome to PNH mark four.

#57 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 09:35 PM:

Fragano, #48: Yes, you really did see that.

I am thinking about how to throw a small, carefully-calibrated shit fit over this. I don't want to shame LSC3; I want to get across to the community of Worldcon runners just how uncool it would be to do this to a finalist who's not as well-known as I am.

LoneStarCon 3 did an excellent job at something that Worldcons have tended to be terrible at: ensuring that the people reading out lists of finalists knew how to pronounce their names. Because it's incredibly demoralizing to be a newcomer to the field, honored for the first time by being a finalist, watching the Hugo ceremony with loved ones or family...and then have it made clear to the ENTIRE SF WORLD that $CELEBRATEDPRESENTER never heard of you in a million years and has no idea how to pronounce your name.

You know something? Spellings are just as important, for exactly the same reason.

It doesn't hurt me, but it sure as hell could hurt other people.

Also: TNH and I have proofread this stuff for about half of the last fifteen years of Worldcons. I don't know why LSC3 didn't ask. It's perfectly possible to do it in ways that don't tell us in advance who won.

Also: In my category? The slide showing the full list of nominees included "Tony Weisskopf." (It's Toni. She's only the publisher of one of the most important SF lines in existence, so no big.)

LSC3, you did a pile of things really well. And there's no excuse for this.

If we're going to go all glitzy with the Hugo ceremony, with live Internet video feeds and a stepped-up attempt to reach out to mainstream media (holy crap, the New York Times!), then we need to step up our basic competence game. Not just one year. Every year. Better systems. Smarter planning. No more amateur hour.

And I'll be talking about this in a more public place as soon as I have a little more distance on it. I'm actually more interested in getting responses and commitments from London and Spokane than I am in forcing LSC3 to beat their breast and rend their tunic.

#58 ::: Dave Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 09:56 PM:

Patrick Nielsen Hayden #57: These days, even the major newspapers aren't all that hot at spotting typos. Of course, we want to be better.

#59 ::: Chuck Taggart ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 11:02 PM:

Many, many congratulations, Patrick. :)

#60 ::: John A Arkansawyer ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 11:09 PM:

Fragano Ledgister @ 48: On the bright side, at least they got the punctuation right.

PNH @ 57: At least your typo was just (Just? JUST?) a typo. Turning "Toni" into "Tony" is more like gross factual error.

(I'm only making light of this now that Patrick has said he's not hurt by it. Otherwise, I'd keep my mouth shut.)

(You know, I'd finished that and was about to hit preview before I saw what I did there.)

#61 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: September 03, 2013, 11:19 PM:

Patrick... A bit off topic, but would you remind me who the young lady is whose book you'd bought literally just before the Tor party? Her first name is Ada.

#62 ::: Johan Anglemark ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 04:06 AM:

Many congratulations! Well deserved.

#63 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 06:05 AM:

Patrick @57: it won't be the first mortifying Hugo-related awards ceremony cock-up by toastmaster or announcers. Nor is it the only kind that matters. The weirdest things can screw people up ....

Anecdata:

2010, Australia. I'm on the ballot for best novella, with "Palimpsest". I'm sitting next to Cat Valente, who is on the ballot for best novel with "Palimpsest". Quite a coincidence, huh? Well, right before the last two awards were announced -- novella and novel -- the toastmaster(s) pause and go into this crowd-pleasing spiel about how what they're about to announce has never happened before, it's an unprecedented coincidence, it's astonishing, and so on.

Being kind of keyed-up, you can imagine what's going through my head: have two different fiction Hugos ever gone to the same title in the same year before?

And then, BINGO: Palimpsest (the novella) gets the rocket ship.

Which leaves just the one announcement left, for best novel, and at this point I'm pretty sure Cat's head was getting ready to explode ...

... And it turns out that the coincidence they trailed before the last two awards were announced was that there's been a tie for best novel, and no, not a tie for two identical titles, and no, "Palimpsest" is not one of the novels that tied for a Hugo in 2010.

I am not going to name the guilty parties, but it was Cat's first Hugo nomination, which is automatically stressful: in the novel category (which is even more stressful because you have to sit through everything else before you to get to hear the verdict -- and the whole point of an awards ceremony is to keep the audience on the edge of their seat for a couple of hours): and then they kinda-sorta trailered that she'd won. Only, it turned out, she hadn't.

Cringe-worthy. Truly cringe-worthy.

(I know they didn't meant to do it, but that crowd-pleaser right at the end was as scripted as the rest of the event, and someone should have spotted the other great howling coincidence on the ballot that year and thought better of it. Or just exhibited a bit of empathy. There's a fine line between titillating the audience and torturing the nominees, and in 2010 they crossed it.)

#64 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 08:37 AM:

Patrick #57: That's a very good point (and the effort that went into correct pronunciation was noteworthy). I did miss the sex change on Toni Weisskopf, which is a serious matter. It would, of course, have been more noticeable (and, presumably, more offensive) had she been the Hugo winner.

#65 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 08:39 AM:

The other aspect of the Hugo Ceremony...

Jay Lake's co-award winner telling us he was going to hold a big sign and he wanted us all to read it out loud.

"We love you, Jake."

#66 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 10:14 AM:

Argh.

It said, and *we* said:

"We love you, Jay!"

#67 ::: Christopher Davis ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 11:33 AM:

Charlie Stross, #63: Worse yet, that wasn't the first time there'd been a Best Novel tie, so they were wrong about it being "unprecedented"...making the (presumably unintentional) fake-out even more painful.

1993's Best Novel Hugo went to both Domesday Book and A Fire Upon the Deep.

#68 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 12:10 PM:

A bit off-topic (again)... Does anybody here have a photo of the Hugo Awards on their display?

#69 ::: David Langford ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 12:37 PM:

#57: I learned after Ansible had gone to press that LoneStarCon had misspelled the name of the Best Graphic Story winner both in their March nominations release and in the post-ceremony winner release. It's Brian K. Vaughan, not Vaughn. This has since been corrected on the front page of the LSC3 website, but I wonder about the engraving on his Hugo....

#70 ::: David Langford ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 12:51 PM:

#63, #67: Also, "... And Call Me Conrad" (This Immortal) tied with Dune in 1966.

Also also: Congratulations, Patrick!

#71 ::: Christopher Davis ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 02:24 PM:

David Langford (#70): Thanks; I thought there'd been another previous one, but I was already running late so I didn't have time to double check and just went with what I was sure of.

#72 ::: Lin Daniel ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 04:04 PM:

I did a swoop-by congrats to Patrick at the con, but did not know the significance of having Teresa there. YAY for the double win!

#73 ::: joann ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 04:14 PM:

pnh #57, apropos the NYT:

My Texas print edition had a (presumably edited) version of the results which discussed the winners for novel, short story, and a couple of other awards. It's like novella and novelette awards didn't exist.

#74 ::: Jennifer Baughman ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 05:10 PM:

Congratulations!

#75 ::: John A Arkansawyer ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 10:10 PM:

You know, I stopped to make fun of the errors, but I forgot to congratulate Patrick. So: Congratulations, Patrick!

#76 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 10:26 PM:

Serge Broom @61: Ada Palmer perchance? She was the one who composed "Sundown: Whispers of Ragnarok" that I just raved about on the Open Thread (not to mention the one who sang the role of Loki) and I am dead impressed with her, and if she just sold a novel then I am even more so.

#77 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 10:58 PM:

David Goldfarb @ 76... Hmmm... The young lady I spoke I spoke to knows quite a bit about Renaissance Italy, but made no mention of being involved in "Ragnarok". Which doesn't mean she wasn't, true.

#78 ::: Christopher Davis ::: (view all by) ::: September 04, 2013, 11:54 PM:

David Goldfarb #76 and Serge Broom #77: yes, you are both referring to the same person.

#79 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2013, 08:03 AM:

Christopher Davis @ 78... Thanks for clearing that up.

#80 ::: Mark Richards ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2013, 11:48 AM:

Belated congratulations, Patrick!

Re #57, it wasn't just the nominees. There were committee and staff names misspelled.

It was in the closing credits, so it's entirely possible you didn't see it, but "Ben Yallow"?

#81 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2013, 05:58 PM:

Mark Richards #82: Clearly, he was the Yallow Rose of Texas.

#82 ::: Carol Kimball is gnomed again ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2013, 08:13 PM:

I still have plenty of tea.

Last time I thought it might have been a pope mis-identifed as a Borgia taking revenge (just where do you recruit the gnomes?). No idea this round.

#83 ::: Jeremy Leader ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2013, 08:45 PM:

Thanks, Carol!

(I used my secrit magic incantation to see past the gnomes, "view all by").

And, after more Google searches on the subject than I should admit to doing while at work, I now understand David Goldfarb @79, but more than that I should not say.

#84 ::: Carol Kimball ::: (view all by) ::: September 05, 2013, 09:36 PM:

Oh, please, Powers That Be, do not kill Jeremy for divulging this valuable secrit!

#85 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 06, 2013, 07:12 PM:

I have just now unpublished six posts from this thread. They still exist in the database, in case their authors need copies of the texts. Apologies to the authors of most of the posts. Only the author of the first of those six posts is at fault.

There will be no further discussion of this in this thread. Sorry to have to do this.

#86 ::: Soon Lee ::: (view all by) ::: September 06, 2013, 07:34 PM:

Congratulations to Patrick & all the other winners.

(I've been catching up with watching what segments have been made available via Ustream (Hopefully, there is more to come?). This year's Hugo base really is "Shiny!".)

#87 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: September 06, 2013, 07:51 PM:

Charlie, #63: I'd never heard that story! That's absolutely horrifying, and you and Cat are totally correct to be appalled by it.

I personally have no memory of a "crowd-pleasing spiel about how what they're about to announce has never happened before, it's an unprecedented coincidence, it's astonishing, and so on" -- but I have an excuse, which is that I had just won my second Hugo for editing, and was in a state of such benign elevation that I probably would have grinned like an idiot through an announcement of impending nuclear war.

You novelists and novella writers really get the punishing combat duty -- you get to spend the entire ceremony on edge, instead of achieving either ELATION or *resigned acceptance* just before Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form. (Which, for us editors, is a fantastic opportunity to slip out to either excitedly text our loved ones, or take an attitude-adjustment break.)

#88 ::: Edmund Schweppe ::: (view all by) ::: September 07, 2013, 07:57 PM:

Soon Lee @86: Both the LoneStarCon 3 and official Hugo websites currently state that "LoneStarCon 3 has retained the master data for the broadcast and we expect to upload this within 1-2 weeks to enable fans around the world to appreciate the ceremony in full."

#89 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: September 09, 2013, 09:09 AM:

Patrick: The "best novel" award truly is the worst, in some ways. Sitting through two hours of torture just to find out if you've won (at 4:1 odds against). I did it for six consecutive years (none of them won) and I'm not sure I could do that again.

One year, I discovered I'd made it onto the best novel ballot because an author with a couple of nominations more than me declined it. As he was at the worldcon, I sidled up to PTerry and asked him: why? Answer: too much stress. He'd been through one Hugo award ceremony with his name on the ballot, and just didn't want to go through that again -- especially since he'd been diagnosed with angina. (Besides which, he was Terry Pratchett.) A shiny rocket ship wasn't exactly going to change his life, unlike a hungry, young first-timer ... unless the stress triggered a heart attack.

#90 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: September 12, 2013, 12:14 PM:

very belated congratulations (I've been ... recovering ...)

I started a long comment wrt #57 et al from my perspective as a long-time con-runner who got way over-involved in LSC3, but cut most of it because I wasn't close enough to this specific case to give facts instead of opinions & perspectives. I hope that this will at least cause the next few concoms to realize that there are things that look like small, unspectacular details but that must be done right; they're important enough that they should automatically be reviewed across department boundaries -- which is never easy to enforce.

I was lucky when I ran Events (33 years ago). My most visible error was in the trophy order with the Hugos, which were administered by one of the world's great proofreaders; this meant it got caught the day before the convention opened, so the trophy could be re-engraved in time. Lacking such a wizard, the many-eyes process can sometimes help.

#91 ::: Edmund Schweppe ::: (view all by) ::: September 13, 2013, 03:07 PM:

Following up to my #88, the 2013 Hugo Award video is now up at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/38546105; the Best Editor (Long Form) award is at approximately the 1:30 mark.

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