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Posted on entry Pray for us now and in the hour of our death. ::: April 05, 2003, 10:08 PM:
On the issue of imposing democracy by war:

Adam wrote: Italians, Germans, and Japanese who have lived in imposed Democratic regimes since the middle of the last century may provide some evidence that imposed social change is something you can do with war.

There were actually two wars last century after which allied forces tried to impose democracy on Germany. The first one failed; in fact, the Versailles treaty was the shovel with which the anti-democractic parties buried the Weimar Republic. It was not that the treaty was inherently unjust: but it created a strong resentment among Germans, no matter what their political tendencies were. And the USA, Great Britain, and France were seen as the reason for it.

The second one succeeded. Not because of the dearth of adult young men, as suggested elsewhere. But, unlike in 1918, nobody had the least desire to identify with the regime that was responsible for the war. In particular, all three branches of government and the press were firmly in the hand of lifelong democrats and Nazi victims (Adenauer had been a repeat prisoner of the Gestapo; Schumacher and Ollenhauer had spent the years between 1933 and 1945 in concentration camps and exile, respectively). Germany, essentially, became a democracy because it wanted to. Unlike 1918, there was also fairly little resentment against allied forces on which anti-democratic forces could feed (aside from the denazification programs). The Marshall plan, the humanitarian aid ("raisin bombers") for a Berlin besieged by Soviet forces -- all that cemented a strong and durable friendship between Germany and the Western Allies.

As an aside, it is probably also hard to judge by an outsider how much the German people had learned to loathe war by 1945; the phrase "never again shall a war start on German soil" was pretty much the political consensus, and has lasted to this day. It has its own place in the German Constitution, and is given teeth by the penal code. (Which is also, incidentally, why the German government cannot possibly supply forces to the war in Iraq without a UN resolution.)

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