Paul Lalonde@7: One of the greatest assets (some) governments and (some) employers have in their battle to keep workers oppressed is the taboo against discussing compensation. They know the compensations of every employee, and use this knowledge in negotiations, while employees are encouraged to not even fully understand their *own* compensation, let alone have information about the compensation of their peers.
Yeah, well, the normal system for having and understanding that information is known as a "union", innit.
One claim I came across on a libertarian site was that the admittedly-high US spending on health was actually funding some vast percentage of medical research, and that all the rest of the socialised-medicine world was happily and parasitically riding along on the US's coattails. Anyone got a potted refutation to hand?
I thought the whole point of silicone was that it wouldn't stick.
You know, I was going to put in an "(ouchie)" or something there, but I thought I'd better not stoop (!) that low, having posted such a link in the first place.
Teresa@38 Todd, there are lots of good things you can do with glass, but I don't think that's one of them.
Safer to stick to even-more-NSFW silicone.
Heresiarch@711This is the line I see being crossed by people advocating shunning of the Drews. Denied the opportunity to shun the Drews personally, they are trying to get other people to do it for them.
I don't think they're trying to do this (other than by posting addresses, perhaps) - they're merely expressing their opinions AFAICT. I myself think it's going to self-organise with or without any central attempts at encouragement - the Internet just lends itself to that sort of thing. And although you say upthread you think it unlikely to discourage future offenders, I'm not so sure an object lesson like this couldn't have a salutary effect if enough people hear about it, certainly on other adults who might have been contemplating losing their sense of proportion in similar ways.
Viorica @400 And while I agree that vigilantism is crossing the line, she deserves some sort of punishment.
I think she's going to get it. Plenty of people know about this now, and tracking her wherever she goes with the object of making sure her new neighbours are in the picture doesn't sound like a huge amount of work. And lots of geeks have memories of being bullied.
Leah @281: Ah right, substantial investment, I see. Bummer.
Leah @276: You don't mention what you're getting out of belonging to that community apart from feeling at home there, but it'd have to be quite something to make me put up with living in fear. It sounds like an appalling little high-school smugfest. Drop 'em! Or post a link, I have a talent for annoying annoying people.
Ooo, the mayor's helping to spread it around? I imagine those people are really going to need to think about moving soon, probably to Mexico if they don't want it to follow them.
246: The Meiers and their "we're not going to prosecute" stance pretty much ensures their community is more or less behind them. By taking the moral high ground, they won't be accused of petty fuding or mud slinging or any other host of things that would loose them support and sympathy.
I reckon they might want the Drews to have the chance to savour their responsibility for what they did unsoothed by any victim status they might accrue by being the targets of anyone's retribution, legal or otherwise.
Bruce Cohen @49
I was thinking of "Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief" in the sense of not applying your own political or moral agenda to the patient.
Yabbut, if you read on from there it sounds like it was particularly the application of the physician's genitalia to everyone in his path they were concerned about. Political and moral agendas, I dunno.
Having said that, and not wanting to divert the conversation too much, but I believe that, slightly modified, the Electoral College is highly preferable to a national direct election. So I can't fault Paul for that.
Wasn't the purpose of that something like "to protect the minority from the depredations of the majority", where "the minority" turns out upon cursory inspection to mean "the rich"?
I'd start with the Hippocratic Oath
Which bit? "I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy." Sounds like he's upholding it, not ignoring it.
Do you write poetry? We like new poets.
I like it - I think I found ML via a link to something Mike Ford had written. As for writing it...sometimes my fingers twitch when I look at the sonnets, but I reckon I'd be better off floating my maiden efforts into a somewhat shallower pool.
I thought that was obvious from the tone, but no.
short Adrian: "I made a mistake, and it's Greg's fault. His tone made me do it."
No, *my* tone, not yours. Why would my meaning be obvious from your tone? I'm trying to say that *I've* been misinterpreting *your* tone, and it's my fault. But then I thought it was obvious when I said "Sorry for riding your ass, anyway" that I was trying to back off and apologise. Must have been flagged as sarcasm/insincere/a red herring, I dunno.
Every. Single. Post.
You see, for *me*, #207 was different. It didn't have the full-on I-was-wrong surrender grovel you appeared to be hoping for, but I thought it was an attempt at being mollifying.
Could anyone else who's bothered to read this far have a look and tell me if it's just me? I like this place, don't want to wear out my welcome by riding the innocent asses of valued contributors nd nd p wth n vwls.
And how could my tone imply that anyone who likes War Porn or V For Vendetta is morally bankrupt when I said in an earlier post (#109) that the movie "Predator" is war porn, and I liked that movie?
You did see the "mistakenly" there, right? I'll try and provide an autopsy of my thought processes if I can find the time, but it'll mean going over the thread in some detail, and it might be a little stale by then.
I thought it'd been established that there were subcategories of Good (tongue-in-cheek?) War Porn and Bad (sincere?) War Porn. I'm not really on board for the whole War Porn thing, it's one of those conflations that looks to conceal as much as it reveals. Though it's not as bad as Islamofascism.
I await your continued spin, subsequent red herrings, and further comments on par with twenty decimal places. Because I doubt you'll give a straitht answer like "I was wrong".
I think I may have been mistakenly interpreting what I saw as your digs at Moore as implying that anyone who didn't see the scene your way was up to their elbows in the same moral "underdevelopment" as Moore himself.
I thought that was obvious from the tone, but no. Straight enough for you?
and instead, you manage to take something from my post that was NOT in double quotes and present it in double quotes in your post at 196.
Seems to me to have pretty much the same meaning as the part that you've thoughtfully bolded out. "I did not feel any shamanic ordeal, or any rebuilding, because I've already gone through my own".
Are we discussing anything of substance here?
You've done nothing but ride my ass this entire thread. Your "view all by" shows that you manage to take some pot shot at me in every post you've made here.
I was just...intrigued by how categorical you were about your opinion. Nobody else had that ironclad twenty-decimal-point love going around.
I never claimed my shamanic ordeals lead to any insight about Moore.
I thought the shamanic ordeals led to your interpretation of the torture scene, which in turn led to your insight about Moore. Certainly not a one-stage process.
And if me not revealing the mean, nasty, ugly things I've gone through is some sort of "data point" for you, then you have clearly not gone through any shamanic ordeals of your own to know how real people relate to those sort of experiences in their lives.
Oh, you're making me feel left out now. With an awkward mixture of pride and coyness?
But if you seriously think that anyone watching VfV must experience a shamanic ordeal transformation
It had never occurred to me that watching a film could induce a shamanic ordeal transformation in anyone, unless they were suspended (consentingly, of course) by fishhooks through their nipples all the way to the end of the closing credits. It's about whether torture could be plausible as a route to such a transformation. Clearly, not for you.
I think I may have been interpreting what I saw as your digs at Moore as implying that anyone who didn't see the scene your way was up to their elbows in the same moral "underdevelopment" as Moore himself.
Sorry for riding your ass, anyway.
right back at you, mister "to twenty decimal places"
I haven't made up my mind about anything - haven't even seen the whole film or read the whole comic, in fact (though I appreciate that hasn't stopped some people), and I'm not quite sure why you would think I had based on my sparse contributions to this thread so far. And really, if you're too up yourself to do more than vaguely allude to whatever curious set of experiences led you to your insight into Moore's (lack of) character, that's a perfectly adequate data point on its own.
I did see that you said "I did not feel any shamanic ordeal, or any rebuilding, because I've already gone through my own."
But I didn't know what you meant by that, so I asked.
I'll leave you to ponder whether the problem is that I'm not going to answer your question, or whether your question was ever valid.
Now you're just sounding petulant.
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