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Posted on entry The Prisoner's Dilemma ::: September 29, 2009, 12:28 PM:
Brooks Moses @21: Do you feel that part of the penalty of a jail sentence should be that nobody in governmental power has any incentive to look out for your welfare and to ensure that your punishment is in fact fair and just, rather than cruel and unreasonable due to mismanagement?

No. But I also don't think that revoking the rights of prisoners to vote should completely abrogate politicians obligations to those incarcerated.

Let's be clear, I only support the revocation of voting rights from prisoners that have committed serious felonies and only while they are serving their time. But they are not the only ones that have a stake in the people incarcerated. The families of felons and people with any kind of compassion, moral awareness, and interest in justice should also be cognizant of the conditions in prisons.

I don't know anyone currently in prison but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't care about voting for better prison conditions.

Still, I guess I'm concerned about the idea (precedent?) that comes from allowing felons full voting rights. Aside from locking them up, what exactly are we doing to show them that we as a society find their actions repugnant? Segregating them for a time seems a bit less serious if we know that political candidates may have to worry about getting the votes of felons to stay in office. And why wouldn't they vote? The polling stations and registrations would have to be brought to them. A thousand people or more voting in every election could be a sizeable block for local politics.

BM: Also, I would note that you're lumping "rights and privileges" into a single homogeneous mass, which I think is misleading your thinking. You would agree that a prisoner has the right not to be starved to death, not to be raped or murdered, and similar things, yes? If so, then I hope you can see that the question is one of which rights and privileges should be revoked, and can then reframe your position to explain why this particular one should be one of the ones that's revoked rather than one of the ones that's retained.

Because the point of segregating them from society is segregating them from society. I tried to phrase this above but let me try again: they've shown that they are not interested in playing by the societal rules and laws that we, as a people, have agreed upon.

Why should we suddenly assume that they have any beneficent interest in the political process as soon as they're locked up? We've allowed them to be judged by a jury of their peers and have found them to be not acting in society's interest by committing felonies and have decided to lock them away from the rest of us so that they cannot continue to do so. Giving them any outlet from which they can affect the outside population seems ridiculous to me.

So, when you say "We act to provide them with food, shelter, and medical attention," my response to that is: Yes, because we're a civilized society. In a sense we have stripped them of all rights, in locking them up. But that does not cease our obligation to them to keep them healthy because of our responsibility as human beings, not their rights.

Nicole @ 25: I think that the line can be roughly approximated by the yardstick of the purpose of revoking that right. Does it serve to neutralize the convict's proven danger to society, or does it serve purely to punish?

Well, I think I just tried to make the point of neutralizing a convict's danger to society, but I find your alternative . . . disagreeable? I'm not quite sure how to phrase that disagreement though.

I don't believe that the idea that we are punishing our prisoners for breaking laws is reprehensible.

We could call them "consequences" or "sanctions" or any of a number of different things, but that does not stop them all from being the same thing: what we agree should happen on the violation of our laws.

You suggest that punishing someone for committing a crime is bad, but I have no real issue with setting severe consequences, including the losses of one's right to vote.

ajay @35 says that one of the goals of imprisonment is rehabilitation. That's a noble goal. However, it would seem to me that if our goal is to rehabilitate someone, that should indicate that they have yet to be rehabilitated. Letting them vote again when they have been so judged (i.e. when they're released) seems reasonable to me, nor am I defending Florida's repugnant and disenfranchising mess of laws.

Additionally, I just want to agree with 7, 13, 27, et al. about for-profit prisons. Uhg. Absolutely disgusting.

pericat @29: There are a number of punishments available for criminals, depending on the type of crime, its severity, how committed, and so forth. Financial restitution, community service, restriction of personal liberty to a greater or lesser degree, are some examples. Which ones, or combinations of these are imposed usually depend on the nature of the offense.

I just want to reiterate that I am only talking about the most severe classes of crimes: murders, rapes, kidnapping and those people that talk during movies.
Posted on entry The Prisoner's Dilemma ::: September 28, 2009, 09:30 PM:
pericat @10: Voting is both a right and a responsibility. As I understand it, it takes more than being convicted of a crime for the state to be empowered to strip a convict of his or her rights as a human being or as a citizen. For the state to also strip a convict of his or her responsibilities as well is, practically speaking, seriously counterproductive.

That doesn't strike me as particularly convincing. Holding people for crimes for extended periods is also stripping someone of their rights to free conduct and free assembly. Prisoners are almost by definition stripped of their first, second, and fourth amendment rights.

We don't allow prisoners to carry guns, why would we allow them to vote?

Part of the penalty of the sentence is to have one's rights and privileges revoked because that person has shown his or herself unable to live as a member of our society.

I guess I understand where abi and pericat are arguing from, but I haven't yet been convinced of their position.
Posted on entry That Was Weird ::: August 24, 2009, 03:13 PM:
JMD @ 7: #5 Fuzzy -- I'm not going to answer that, because why should I give them the information they were looking for?

I think Fuzzy was wondering if they had actual information about you. Since it wasn't Reader's Digest, it could have been someone calling to confirm their information via deception as Clifton @ 4 suggested.
Posted on entry John Scalzi is right ::: July 08, 2009, 12:16 AM:
Bruce @ 120: This is what I call Geek Rule #1: Whatever can be done with a computer MUST be done with a computer.

That should be, Geek Rule #1: Whatever can be done faster, more efficiently and with fewer problems by a computer should be done by a computer. (And it's better for the environment, too!)

Bruce again: What compelling reason is there for them to change?

Money.

Right now a story from Scalzi might sell a few more magazines, especially since Scalzi himself controls a media outlet that can tout his works to hundreds of thousands of people that care about his work. Cory Doctorow, eBear and others have similar platforms. However, some of these writers won't submit to them due to their submission policy.

Perhaps by getting those boosts from the authors they'll even sell a few copies to the people that aren't 45+ or looking to get published. (Yes, it's a hyperbolic statement, but it's also mostly true.)

After that, maybe they'll be able to do a cost of living increase to their pay rates.

There's also the sad fact that pretty soon the "Big 3" won't be discovering many new talents. New talents are going to submit to cheaper, better paying places first. Sorry if that's upsetting to anyone.

I also find it hilarious that you think that "the Big Three have a working system in place, and they already receive far more submissions than they can use."

Great. They receive far more submissions than they can use. But if their real goal is to be a better magazine and provide better quality stories to their readers then they'll want to increase their number of submissions and thus be able to find more of the gems. If 99% of 1,000 stories "works", then increasing it to 99.9% of 10,000 or 99.99% of 100,000 would mean premium stories.

And don't forget, we all know that computers are better and faster at this stuff. It's a given, considering that this is what they're made to do.

And if you really want an absolutely compelling reason, then there should be an iron-clad one in #79: editors won't have to deal with human excrement smeared on submissions any more. Or even worry about it.
Posted on entry Palin and the Rape Kits of Wasilla ::: March 02, 2009, 06:20 PM:
Once again we see that being a Doctor doesn't require the ability to coherently form and convey an idea.
Posted on entry Bank of America: utter slime ::: February 07, 2009, 05:10 PM:
I just dealt with a customer service issue with BoA. Everyone that I dealt with was very, very polite, although they twice tried to sell me on a credit card I already had and it took four different contacts (two phone calls, two trips into the local branch) to resolve my problem.

However, trying to convince people to pay for their dead relatives is screwed up.
Posted on entry "Principles of the American Cargo Cult" ::: February 01, 2009, 08:58 PM:
@ #37 and #42:

My response to that is: "No, it just means that everyone is different. Similarities are never as interesting as differences."

Also: A subsection of that list defines what mainstream Christianity means to me. Just one single subsection.
Posted on entry Fired up! ::: January 20, 2009, 08:02 PM:
I was on the mall. It was colder than it looked. :)

We need to switch the inaugurations back to April.
Posted on entry Open thread 118 ::: January 16, 2009, 10:08 PM:
Caroline @ 16: I wasn't aware there were tickets to the parade for sale -- I thought it was just come and stake out a spot for free, if you could. I thought tickets were just for the actual ceremony, and could only be gotten through your elected representatives (for free).

If so, the national media has been suckered in too.

I think that the standing room is free, that the tickets are for reserved bleacher seating at specified locations.

And another friend of mine is going to be in the GLBT marching band, so I'm going to be there to cheer him on, w00t!
Posted on entry Open thread 118 ::: January 16, 2009, 04:43 PM:
Joann @ 7: No doubt, but I think there were other things I wanted to be watching just then.

I'm glad I didn't have any fixed plans. I wasn't planning on going, but then my boyfriend bought tickets to the parade (don't ask me how! His internet-fu is strong like that) so we're going to be on the mall, at sitting at the parade later. It'll be a lot of fun, albeit totally insane packed-like-sardines-into-a-city-not-meant-to-accommodate-so-many fun.
Posted on entry Open thread 118 ::: January 16, 2009, 04:39 PM:
I happen to really like the humorous conversational quality of some of Geico's advertising. I liked the artistic quality of the Absolut print advertising and a few of the Hagen Daas video ones. I like the salacious men's underwear advertising, especially when it's in a place that makes the odd juxtaposition of public with private so painfully clear (i.e. when it's on the NYC streets). I like Banksy's subversion of advertising when I see it (there was a billboard here in NYC that I never got a picture of that I suspected might be his).

I like movie trailers as well. Some trailers are works of art themselves. Pixar, for example, is quite good at them. Some of the other ones that I've seen that really impressed me are for Donnie Darko, the Watchmen, and Everything is Illuminated.

I hate it when the first chapter of an upcoming sequel is included in a book. It gives me a false sense of how much longer I have to read, and if I do read it, it forces me to suddenly drop out of a world that I've established a connection too. If I was going to buy the sequel, I will buy it. If not, then that chapter isn't going to be as convincing to me as the book that I just read.
Posted on entry Next Actions ::: January 12, 2009, 01:49 PM:
In three years, I was called for jury duty three times by the state where I was a resident but had to defer because I was in college at the time. Then, when I got home and lived there for another five years almost, I never got called again.

Which is sad, because I wouldn't have minded jury duty so much.
Posted on entry Belated Happy New Year ::: January 09, 2009, 12:23 PM:
Absolutely agreed. I'm always absolutely delighted when I find out that he's got a new post up.

Hooray Slactivist!
Posted on entry Meanwhile in Peru... ::: December 27, 2008, 10:35 AM:
I don't know if I'm laughing. That kid is going to have some seriously high expectations that he's going to have to overcome in his life.

Here's hoping that the walking on water bit goes okay.
Posted on entry Social Disease ::: December 26, 2008, 02:45 PM:
Another site that I belong to had similar problems, Fark, which serves hundreds of thousands of page views per day, and it was indeed being issued through their ads.

But, speaking of science fiction sites that are having issues, I haven't been able to reach Tor.com in the last two weeks, since traveling home to NM.

Normally I'd chalk that up to weird connection issues, but all my other sites work fine, and a few lines of each new post are appearing in my web based reader, but the links never work.

Good luck to Locus though . . . Fark is still having problems.
Posted on entry I find your lack of faith disturbing ::: December 25, 2008, 11:03 AM:
Nice . . . hahaha.

He just happened to have the costume handy, I guess?
Posted on entry Deep Thought ::: December 22, 2008, 12:51 PM:
For others not in the know, I'll spare you the difficulty of typing this into your Wiki search bar.

The Man Who Was Thursday.
Posted on entry Free Muntadar Zaidi now! ::: December 17, 2008, 04:10 PM:
I think that if we wait for Bush to do the right thing, we'll be waiting for a long time.
Posted on entry Unfortunate Headline ::: December 13, 2008, 12:30 AM:
Jim @ 37:

Speaking of resolutely clean minded, I just read that Atlanta Nights quote as "Hot little juice box love."

And then, flipping back to dirty, that conjured all sorts of strange images in my head.
Posted on entry How To Read an American Newspaper ::: December 08, 2008, 11:30 AM:
Lizzy L @ 12: Turn the above sentence around and what you get looks very much like what we've more or less had for the last 100 years or so.

We're likely to come out of this with a whole bunch of politically-important industries having a substantial ownership interest in the US government.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I think the government is primarily going to be buying not voting shares.

However, I think there's a certain truth and a certain misapprehension in that reversed statement. Yeah, the government is reversing the flow of money from the corporations giving money to the government to vice versa but as the government is (theoretically) public not private, there are huge differences between the first case and the latter case. I think that the people should be much more concerned about what is happening now because it's supposed to be our government.

But I'm too tired to figure out how to make that point more clearly.

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