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Posted on entry Waes thu Peter Jackson hael ::: December 18, 2003, 08:46 PM:
CHip, I have to disagree with you on your example of Dubrovnik as a fortied city that quickly collapsed in the early 90s and Minas Tirith because Dubrovnik was reduced using heavy modern artillery using chemical energy explosive warheads instead of pure kinetic energy. Additionally Minas Tirith had not been attacked, so I agree with you it would have been consistent with history for plenty of ornamentation that is easy to fall off but there had been a long standing threat to the city that the elites of Gondor knew about as they were only several days away from their most dangerous enemy's lair and they had lost the outer works of Osiligoth.

To me I lost a little bit of the willingness to stay engorged in the Middle Earth reality when I saw the walls crumble on the first shot.
Posted on entry Waes thu Peter Jackson hael ::: December 18, 2003, 02:18 AM:
I just got back from it and I loved the movie and I will see it soon on matinee. However I had a couple of serious problems beyond the complete lack of agricultural facilities anywhere in Gondor and they involved the military aspects of the movies.

Both Helms Deep and Minas Tirith were fortresses that were designed by their very nature to withstand seige and bombardment for long periods of time. Fortresses are designed so small garrisons can hold off massive beseiging armies. Midevil and early modern European history normally indicates that a prepared fortress with resolute defenders could withstand bombardment for weeks at a time and they rarely quickly fell unless good surrender terms were offered or massive trickery was used. However Minas Tirith started to fall apart as soon as it was hit with a single projectile. Helms Deep was tougher as its walls were only breached by gunpowder which is far more realistic, but neither fortress held up well to bombardment.

My second major complaint of the movies' military sense was the vast supremecy of calvary over infantry in most situations. In the Two Towers the calvary patrol that allowed Merry and Pippin to escape makes sense, infantry being surprised in relatively open ground will get slaughtered. However at both Helms Deep and Minas Tirith, calvary charged disciplined, well equipped infantry that was equipped with both pole and missile weapons and ran right over the infantry. As a friend of mine said at Two Towers "What the Orcs needed were a regiment of Swiss Pike" to hold the line.

Finally, where the hell were the logistics units? I never saw a food cart, I never saw a spare horse, I never saw an ambulance etc.

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