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Lucy de Thweng

Female Abt 1290 - Bef 1325  (~ 34 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Lucy de Thweng was born about 1290 in Kilton Castle, Cleveland, Yorkshire, England (daughter of Marmaduke de Thweng and Isabel de Ros); died before 1325.

    Family/Spouse: Robert de Lumley. Robert (son of Robert de Lumley and Mary Fitz Marmaduke) was born in in of Lumley in Little Lumley, Durham, England; died before 20 Jul 1325. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Marmaduke de Lumley was born on 4 Sep 1314 in of Lumley in Little Lumley, Durham, England; died on 26 Sep 1365 in Lumley in Little Lumley, Durham, England.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Marmaduke de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England (son of Marmaduke de Thweng and Lucy de Brus); died before 26 Feb 1323.

    Notes:

    Summoned to Parliament by writs 22 Feb 1307 to 18 Sep 1322.

    "[P]layed a leading role at the battle of Stirling in 1297, but in 1299 was taken prisoner and ransomed by the Scots. [...] In 1312 he joined Thomas, earl of Lancaster, in the attack upon Piers Gaveston, and in 1321, at the time of Lancaster's great rebellion, his loyalties were the subject of suspicion by the crown." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

    From Wikipedia:

    In 1297 Marmaduke achieved some fame at the Battle of Stirling Bridge by a heroic escape. Over 100 English knights had been trapped, together with several thousand infantry, on the far side of the river, and were being slaughtered by the Scots. Thweng managed to fight his way back across the bridge and he thus became the only knight of all those on the far side of the river to survive the battle. Following the rout, Thweng with William FitzWarin were appointed castellans of Stirling Castle by the English leader John de Warenne, 6th Earl of Surrey. The castle was quickly starved into submission, and Thweng and FitzWarin were taken prisoner to Dumbarton Castle.

    At the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, however, after the English defeat, Sir Marmaduke apparently made no attempt to escape. Instead he wandered over the battlefield until he located Robert the Bruce; only then was he prepared to surrender, and only to the victorious King. Robert recognised Sir Marmaduke and released him and Ralph de Monthermer, also captured, both without ransom, but not without first entertaining them at table.

    Marmaduke married Isabel de Ros in 1273. Isabel (daughter of William de Ros and Eustache fitz Ralph) was born in in of Ingmanthorpe, Kirk Deighton, Yorkshire, England; died in 1309. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Isabel de Ros was born in in of Ingmanthorpe, Kirk Deighton, Yorkshire, England (daughter of William de Ros and Eustache fitz Ralph); died in 1309.
    Children:
    1. 1. Lucy de Thweng was born about 1290 in Kilton Castle, Cleveland, Yorkshire, England; died before 1325.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Marmaduke de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England (son of Robert de Thweng and Maud de Kilton); died between 1282 and 1284.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1284
    • Alternate death: Aft 1294

    Notes:

    MP in 1294, according to Ancestral Roots; note, however, that this is after the death dates given by ODNB, CP, and RA.

    Pilgrimage to Santiago, 1262. Captured by Hugh le Despenser at the battle of Lewes. Summoned for service against the Scots in 1258 and the Welsh in 1264 and 1283.

    Marmaduke married Lucy de Brus about 1242. Lucy (daughter of Peter de Brus and Hawise de Lancaster) died after 29 Mar 1282. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Lucy de Brus (daughter of Peter de Brus and Hawise de Lancaster); died after 29 Mar 1282.
    Children:
    1. 2. Marmaduke de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England; died before 26 Feb 1323.
    2. Robert de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England; died before 1285.

  3. 6.  William de Ros was born in in of Ingmanthorpe in Kirk Deighton, Yorkshirem, England (son of William I de Ros and Lucy fitz Peter); died before 28 May 1310; was buried in Grey Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Ingmanthorpe, Yorkshire, England

    William married Eustache fitz Ralph in 1268. Eustache (daughter of Ralph fitz Hugh and Joan de la Haye) was born in in of Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England; died after 1300; was buried in Grey Friars, York, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Eustache fitz Ralph was born in in of Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England (daughter of Ralph fitz Hugh and Joan de la Haye); died after 1300; was buried in Grey Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1310

    Children:
    1. 3. Isabel de Ros was born in in of Ingmanthorpe, Kirk Deighton, Yorkshire, England; died in 1309.
    2. Ivette de Ros was born in in of Ingmanthorpe, Yorkshire, England.
    3. Lucy de Ros


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Robert de Thweng was born in in of Thwing, Bridlington, Yorkshire, England (son of Marmaduke de Thweng); died between 1245 and 1257.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 17 Jun 1246

    Notes:

    Also known by the alias "William Wither."

    From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

    In 1231 he became conspicuous for his opposition to the Roman and Italian clergy who had received papal provision to churches in England. With the assistance of the archbishop of York, an Italian had been intruded to the church of Kirkleatham, the advowson of which Robert and his wife had recovered in 1230 following litigation against the prior of Guisborough. Robert adopted the alias William Wither, literally 'William the Angry'; he placed himself at the head of an armed agitation against the foreigners and about Easter 1232 pillaged their corn and barns and distributed the spoils among the poor. In response to complaints from the pope Henry III ordered the arrest of various leading courtiers who were implicated in these disturbances, including Hubert de Burgh (d. 1243), the chief justiciar, who is said to have lent tacit support to the 'Withermen' out of anger at a papal inquiry into the legality of his marriage. Thwing is later to be found witnessing a charter of Hubert's son, John de Burgh, but in 1232 there is nothing to suggest that Hubert and Thwing were in any way close associates. Thwing himself was sent by the king for absolution in Rome. In 1239 he made a second visit to Rome, carrying with him a general letter of complaint from the English barons. Perhaps through the influence of Richard, earl of Cornwall, to whose household Thwing had attached himself, he obtained letters from Pope Gregory IX (r. 1227-41) protecting the rights of lay patrons against papal provision. Early in the following year Thwing set out with Earl Richard on crusade. In September 1240, from Marseilles, he was sent as an envoy to the emperor, Frederick II (r. 1212-50), with information about the pope's attempts to delay the crusade. As a result, he may never have reached the Holy Land. In 1244 he was accused of making a violent attack upon a clerk of the archbishop of York in the king's hall at Windsor. His lands were seized, but restored the following year.

    Robert married Maud de Kilton before Jan 1229. Maud (daughter of Roger de Kilton) was born in in of Kilton Castle, Cleveland, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Maud de Kilton was born in in of Kilton Castle, Cleveland, Yorkshire, England (daughter of Roger de Kilton).

    Notes:

    "[P]ossibly dau. of Roger de Kilton". [CP]

    Children:
    1. 4. Marmaduke de Thweng was born in in of Kilton in Brotton, Yorkshire, England; died between 1282 and 1284.

  3. 10.  Peter de Brus was born before 1201 in of Skelton, Yorkshire, England (son of Peter de Brus and Joan of Chester); died before 15 Nov 1240.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1247

    Notes:

    Richardson, Royal Ancestry, has this Peter (Piers) de Brus dying "7 Sept., before 1247, probably in 1240." He mentions nothing about him being a "Crusader."

    The Wallop Family says he died at Marseilles, 1247.

    Ancestral Roots, 8th ed. (2004) is very confused about this individual, varying his parentage and at least once conflating him with his father:

    Ancestral Roots, 88-28:
    28. HAWISE (or HELWISE) DE LANCASTER, m. PIERS (PETER) DE BRUS (136-26), d. bef. 1247, Crusader, Lord of Skelton, son of Piers de Brus and Joan le Grammaire. (CP V: 269; VCH Lanc. I: 357-366.)

    Ancestral Roots, 136-25 and 136-26:
    25. AGNES, m. (1) William de Roumare, d. 1151; m. (2) Piers (Peter) I de Brus, Lord of Skelton, d. Feb 1218/9, son of Adam de Brus, by Joan le Grammaire, dau. Richard le Grammaire of Knottington, co. York. (West Winter XIII.84; ES II/46; CP V: 269, VII 373.)
    26. PIERS (PETER) DE BRUS, d. bef. 1222, bur. Guisborough, Lord of Skelton, co. York, Crusader; m. abt. 1210/15, HAWISE (or HELWISE) DE LANCASTER (88-28). (CP V: 267; West Winter, XIV.145; VCH Lanc. I: 357-366; Bank I: 431-432; Farrar, EYC II:15, III: 87.)

    Ancestral Roots, 184B-8:
    8. SIR WALTER DE FAUCONBERGE, 1st Lord Fauconberge, lord of Rise & Withernwick in Holderness, d. 1/2 Nov 1304; m. by Nov, 1243, AGNES DE BRUS (136-27), d. abt. 1280, dau. & coh. PIERS (PETER) II DE BRUS (136-26), d. 1222, Lord of Skelton, co. York, and HAWISE (or HELEWISE) DE LANCASTER (88-28). (CP V: 267-269; Clay, 69.)

    Peter married Hawise de Lancaster before 1219. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 11.  Hawise de Lancaster (daughter of Gilbert Fitz Reinfrid and Hawise de Lancaster).

    Notes:

    Also called Helewise fitz Renfrid, Hawise Fitzgilbert.

    Children:
    1. 5. Lucy de Brus died after 29 Mar 1282.
    2. Agnes de Brus died between May 1276 and May 1279; was buried in Guisborough Priory, Yorkshire, England.
    3. Margaret de Brus died before 30 Jan 1307.
    4. Ladrana de Brus died before 1301.

  5. 12.  William I de Ros was born after 1192 in of Helmsley, Yorkshire, England (son of Robert de Ros and Isabel of Scotland); died in 1258; was buried in Kirkham Priory, Yorkshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Bef 1200, of Helmsley, Yorkshire, England
    • Alternate death: 1264

    Notes:

    Taken prisoner at the battle of Lincoln, 1217.

    William married Lucy fitz Peter before 24 Jan 1234. Lucy (daughter of Peter fitz Herbert and Alice fitz Robert) was born in in of Blaen Llyfni, Cathedine, Brecconshire, Wales; died after 29 Sep 1266. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 13.  Lucy fitz Peter was born in in of Blaen Llyfni, Cathedine, Brecconshire, Wales (daughter of Peter fitz Herbert and Alice fitz Robert); died after 29 Sep 1266.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1266

    Children:
    1. Lucy de Ros died after 1278; was buried in Grey Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.
    2. Robert de Ros was born in in of Helmsley, Yorkshire, England; died on 17 May 1285; was buried in Kirkham Priory, Yorkshire, England.
    3. 6. William de Ros was born in in of Ingmanthorpe in Kirk Deighton, Yorkshirem, England; died before 28 May 1310; was buried in Grey Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.
    4. Alice de Ros died before 30 Apr 1286; was buried in Friars Minor, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England.

  7. 14.  Ralph fitz Hugh was born in in of Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England (son of Hugh Fitz Ralph and Agnes de Gresley).

    Ralph married Joan de la Haye. Joan (daughter of Ralph de la Haye) was born in in of Burwell, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  8. 15.  Joan de la Haye was born in in of Burwell, Lincolnshire, England (daughter of Ralph de la Haye).
    Children:
    1. 7. Eustache fitz Ralph was born in in of Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England; died after 1300; was buried in Grey Friars, York, Yorkshire, England.