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John de Moels

Male Abt 1304 - Bef 1337  (~ 33 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  John de Moels was born about 1304 in of Cadbury, Somerset, England (son of John de Moels and Maud de Grey); died before 21 Aug 1337.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Maperton, Somerset, England
    • Alternate death: 12 Aug 1337
    • Alternate death: 21 Aug 1337

    John married Joan Lovel about 1321. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Muriel de Moels was born about 1322 in Dorset, England; died on 12 Aug 1369.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  John de Moels was born on 1 Mar 1269 in of Cadbury, Somerset, England (son of Roger de Moels); died on 20 May 1310.

    Notes:

    Summoned to Parliament by writ, 6 Feb 1299 to 16 Jun 1311.

    John married Maud de Grey before 1289. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Maud de Grey (daughter of John de Grey and Maud de Verdun).
    Children:
    1. 1. John de Moels was born about 1304 in of Cadbury, Somerset, England; died before 21 Aug 1337.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Roger de Moels was born after 1231 (son of Nicholas de Moels and Hawise de Newmarch); died before 17 Jun 1295.

    Notes:

    "He was an adherent of the King in the Barons' War. In 1267 he was one of the keepers of the Isle of Wight. On 2 March 1267/8 he had a grant of a weekly market and yearly fair at his manor of King's Carswell, co. Devon. In 1277 he took part in the Welsh campaign, and was one of the barons of West Wales guaranteeing the peace with Rhys ap Meredith. The castle and honour of Lampadervaur, with all the King's lands in co. Cardigan, were committed to him in March 1277/8. In 1282 he was again in the Welsh wars. On 6 October 1283 he obtained a pardon for the arrears in his account when he was bailiff in Wales, and in January 1284/5 he had a protection on going beyond the seas. He was appointed on various commissions. In 1293 he was keeper of the forest of Braden. The following year he was appointed marshal of the army sent against the Welsh, for that expedition, during pleasure." [Complete Peerage IX: 4-5.]

    Children:
    1. Roger de Moels was born in in of Lustleigh, Devon, England; died in Dec 1323.
    2. 2. John de Moels was born on 1 Mar 1269 in of Cadbury, Somerset, England; died on 20 May 1310.

  2. 6.  John de Grey was born about 1268 in of Wilton, Yorkshire, England (son of Reynold de Grey and Maud de Longchamp); died on 28 Oct 1323 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales.

    Notes:

    2nd Lord Grey of Wilton. Summoned to Parliament by writ 4 Mar 1309 to 18 Sep 1322. Fought at Bannockburn.

    Justiciar of North Wales and Keeper of the King's lands and castles in those parts.

    John married Maud de Verdun before 1275 and 1276. Maud (daughter of John de Verdun and Eleanor de Bohun) was born in in of Alton Castle, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England; died after 1293. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 7.  Maud de Verdun was born in in of Alton Castle, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England (daughter of John de Verdun and Eleanor de Bohun); died after 1293.
    Children:
    1. Roger de Grey was born in in of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 6 Mar 1353.
    2. 3. Maud de Grey
    3. Henry de Grey was born on 28 Oct 1281 in of Wilton, Herefordshire, England; died on 10 Dec 1342.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Nicholas de Moels was born before 1195 in of Cadbury, Somerset, England; died in 1264.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1263

    Notes:

    "Nicholas de Moels, whose parentage is unknown, appears to have been from an early age in the court of King John, and was an official actively employed in the King's service both in embassies and the field. In 1217 the manor of Watlington was granted to him 'for his sustenance in the king's service,' and similar gifts followed. In April 1223, he was sent to Poitou on an embassy from the King, and again in the following January. In the summer of 1223 he served in the King's expedition into Wales, and in the following year at the siege of Bedford. In January 1224/5 he was one of the ambassadors sent to Cologne to treat of a proposed marriage between Henry III and a daughter of Leopold VI, Duke of Austria. In July 1226 the land of Little Berkhampstead was granted to him, and this and other estates were later confirmed in fee. He also, by his marriage with a wealthy heiress, Hawise, one of the daughters and heirs of James de Newmarch, acquired Cadbury and other manors in Somerset and the neighbouring counties, thus becoming one of the greater landowners. In 1227 he was in Gascony on the King's service, and a joint ambassador to the Count of Flanders; in March 1228 was charged with negotiations as to the truce with France, and in November of that year, at Westminster, witnessed Henry's grant to the Bishop of Chichester of land in 'New Street,' now the site of Lincoln's Inn. In April of the following year, as miles noster familiaris, he was a plenipotentiary to treat of peace with Louis IX of France, and was again going to Gascony in the King's service. He was sheriff of Hants and custos of Winchester Castle from July 1228 to March 1231/2, sheriff of Devon, 1234-1236, of York, Easter 1239 to Michaelma 1241, and of Kent, March to October 1258. He was granted the custody of the Channel Islands in 1234, and was keeper the bishopric of Durham during part of the vacancy after the translation of Bishop Richard le Poer, 1237. At the Coronation of Queen Eleanor, in 1236, he and Richard Siward, milites strenui, carried the two royal sceptres. In 1242 he was ambassador to the King of France with Ralph FitzNicholas, and later in the year joined the English King in Bordeaux. In September 1243 Henry III, returning to England, left Nicholas de Moels as seneschal of Gascony. In the following year he inflicted a defeat on the King of Navarre. In 1245 he was appointed keeper of the castles of Cardigan and Carmarthen, and in the same year was constable of Pembroke, Haverford, Kilgarran and Tenby. In 1246 and 1247 he was in the wars of Wales and was seneschal of Carmarthen, and in February 1248/9 was added to the commissioners to deal with the King of Navarre. As 'Nicholas de Molis, king's clerk,' he had a grant of free warren in his demesne lands in Cadbury and Mapperton in January 1250/1. On 16 June 1252 he was sent into Gascony with Roscelin de Fos, Master of the Templars in England, as conservator of the truce between Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester, and Gaston, Viscount de Bearn. He was engaged in Wales in connection with Henry's futile expedition in 1257, and in 1263 received his last military summons to the muster at Hereford against Llewelyn. In January 1257/8 he was appointed constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports. He was constable of the castles of Rochester, Canterbury, and Winchester in 1258, of Sherborne in 1261, and of Corfe in 1263, and one of the King's serjeants in Windsor Castle 1263-64. He was on the King's side in the Barons' War, and was ordered, 4 July 1264, to deliver Windsor Castle to John, son of John, the custodian appointed by the Barons." [Complete Peerage]

    Nicholas married Hawise de Newmarch between 1230 and 28 Sep 1231. Hawise (daughter of James de Newmarch and Maud) was born in in of Cadbury, Somerset, England; died after 1243. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Hawise de Newmarch was born in in of Cadbury, Somerset, England (daughter of James de Newmarch and Maud); died after 1243.
    Children:
    1. Maud de Moels was born in in of Cadbury, Somerset, England.
    2. Agnes de Moels
    3. 4. Roger de Moels was born after 1231; died before 17 Jun 1295.

  3. 12.  Reynold de Grey was born in in of Shirland, Derbyshire, England (son of John de Grey and Emma de Cauz); died on 5 Apr 1308.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales

    Notes:

    Justiciar of Chester. "Summoned to Parl. 1290 or before" [Complete Peerage V, "Pedigree of Grey" chart.]

    "Sheriff of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, 1265-1266; Justice of Chester, Constable of Chester Castle, and Sheriff of Cheshire 1270-1274.; Justice of Chester and Keeper of Cheshire 1281-1299. Fought in the Welsh War of 1277 when he was a knight banneret and at the battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Despite the spelling difference, he is the Grey after whom Gray's Inn, one of the Inns of Court, is named.

    Reynold married Maud de Longchamp. Maud (daughter of Henry de Longchamp and Joan) was born in in of Wilton, Herefordshire, England; died before 21 Nov 1302. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 13.  Maud de Longchamp was born in in of Wilton, Herefordshire, England (daughter of Henry de Longchamp and Joan); died before 21 Nov 1302.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 21 Nov 1302

    Children:
    1. 6. John de Grey was born about 1268 in of Wilton, Yorkshire, England; died on 28 Oct 1323 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales.

  5. 14.  John de Verdun was born about 1226 in of Alton, Staffordshire, England (son of Theobald le Boteler and Rohese de Verdun); died before 17 Oct 1274.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: 21 Oct 1274

    Notes:

    Also called Sir John le Botiller; Sir John le Boteler; John le Botiller de Verdun.

    Ally of the King against Simon de Montfort. Went to Sicily, 1271, on crusade with Lord Edward (later Edward I).

    The Wallop Family claims that has was "slain in Ireland", a circumstance and place not mentioned in RA. CP says "He is said to have d. 21 Oct 1274" and footnotes this with: "Though the writ appears to have been issued, 17 Oct. [...] According to the Annals of Clonmacnoise, he and 13 knights were poisoned together in England."

    John married Eleanor de Bohun before 1267. Eleanor (daughter of Humphrey de Bohun and Maud of Avenbury) died after 10 Jun 1278. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 15.  Eleanor de Bohun (daughter of Humphrey de Bohun and Maud of Avenbury); died after 10 Jun 1278.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1276

    Notes:

    "Sometime after [10 Jun 1278], members of Eleanor's household petitioned the king, stating that she was mad and an imbecile, and requested a suitable wardship for her." [Royal Ancestry]

    Peter Stewart, 2 Dec 2020, post to soc.genealogy.medieval:

    There is no question that [Humphrey de Bohun, d. 1265, and his wife Eleanor de Briouze] did have a daughter named Eleanor, but she was the second wife of Robert de Ferrers, 6th earl of Derby, from June 1269 whereas the other Eleanor de Bohun, wife of John de Verdon, was widowed in 1274. The latter couple had a son named Humphrey—presumably after her father—born on 4 June 1267, and she had the Verdon and Bohun bearings on her seal. The Eleanor married to Robert de Ferrers was described as sister to Humphrey de Bohun, 3rd earl of Hereford (son of Humphrey who died in 1265 by Eleanor de Braiose) in the close roll for 1290 (Edward I, vol 3 p. 119: "Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford, and Eleanor de Ferrariis, his sister, acknowledge that they owe to Robert de Tibotot and Matthew de Columbariis, the king's butler, 200l.; to be levied, in default of payment, of their lands and chattels in cos. Hereford and Essex"). Two witnesses at the IPM of this Eleanor's son John, 1st lord Ferrers of Chartley, quoted in CP vol. 5 pp. 305-306 note (d), placed her as the granddaughter of Humphrey de Bohun who was clearly the 2nd earl of Hereford and 7th of Essex.

    The most likely answer seems to me that John de Verdon's wife Eleanor de Bohun was a paternal half-sister of Humphrey the husband of Eleanor de Braiose, i.e. a daughter of the 2nd earl of Herford by his second wife, Maud de Avenbury. This would account for her evident family connection as well as the chronology placing her apparently around 20 years younger than the daughters of the 2nd earl by his first wife, Maud de Lusignan.

    The double Verdon-Bohun marriages posited by [Mark S. Hagger, The Fortunes of a Norman Family, The Verduns in England, Ireland, and Wales, 1066-1316], including his Matilda who was actually named Margery or Margaret to John's son Theobald I, are somewhat downscale socio-politically from the Ferrers marriage of the 3rd earl's sister. Maybe Margery was also a near-contemporary half-blood aunt of the 3rd earl, another daughter of the 2nd earl by Maud de Avenbury. At any rate Hagger's placing her as a sister of the third earl would entail a second-cousin marriage between her son Theobald II de Verdon and Maud de Mortimer, both in that case great-grandchildren of William de Braiose and Eve Marshal.

    Children:
    1. 7. Maud de Verdun was born in in of Alton Castle, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England; died after 1293.