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Thomas Stanley

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Thomas Stanley was born in in of Elford, Staffordshire, England (son of John Stanley, Titular King of Man and Isabel Lathom); died on 13 May 1463; was buried in Elford, Staffordshire, England.

    Notes:

    Sheriff of Warwickshire and Leicestershire, 1427-28. Sheriff of Staffordshire, 1433-34, 1438-39. Knight of the shire for Staffordshire.

    Thomas married Maud Arderne before 1 May 1413. Maud (daughter of John Arderne and Margaret Pilkington) was born on 2 Jul 1396; died between 1430 and 1432. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Anne Stanley

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  John Stanley, Titular King of Man was born about 1350 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England (son of William de Stanley and Alice); died on 6 Jan 1414 in Ardee, Louth, Ireland; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Stanley, Staffordshire, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 28 Jan 1414, Ardee, Louth, Ireland

    Notes:

    "Deputy in Ireland for Robert de Vere, Marquess of Dublin, 1386-1387/8; Controller of the Household, 4 Mar 1389; Justiciary of Ireland, 1 Aug 1389-before 29 Aug 1391; Justice of Chester, 28 Apr 1394; Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, 10 Dec 1399-Apr/July 1401; appointed Knight of the Garter, about 1405. In 1405, Henry IV granted the Isle of Man to Sir John Stanley, which he ruled as a petty king until his death, and which passed on to his descendants, each ruling as King of Man and the Isles until the time of Thomas, 2nd Earl of Derby who changed the title to Lord. King's Lieutenant of Ireland, 8 June 1413-6 Jan 1414." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    From Wikipedia:

    Stanley's father was Master-Forester of the Forest of Wirral, notorious for his repressive activities. Both Stanley and his older brother, William (who succeeded their father as Master-Forester), were involved in criminal cases which charged them with a forced entry in 1369 and in the murder of Thomas Clotton in 1376.

    Conviction for the murder of Clotton resulted in Stanley being declared an outlaw. However, he was already distinguishing himself in military service in the French wars, and he was pardoned in 1378 at the insistence of his commander, Sir Thomas Trivet.

    In 1385 he married Isabel Lathom, heir to the extensive lands of Sir Thomas Lathom (great-great-grandson of Humphrey VI de Bohun, 3rd Earl of Hereford) in south-west Lancashire. The marriage took place despite the opposition of John of Gaunt and gave Stanley the sort of wealth and financial security he could never have hoped to have had as the younger son in his own family.[1] Stanley had four sons, John, Henry, Thomas and Ralph as well as two daughters.

    The year 1386 saw his first appointment in Ireland as deputy to Robert de Vere, Duke of Ireland. This occurred because of the insurrection created by the friction between Sir Philip de Courtenay, the then English Lieutenant of Ireland, and his appointed governor James Butler, 3rd Earl of Ormond. Stanley led an expedition to Ireland on behalf of de Vere and King Richard II to quell it. He was accompanied by Bishop Alexander de Balscot of Meath and Sir Robert Crull. Butler joined them upon their arrival in Ireland. Because of the success of the expedition, Stanley was appointed to the position of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Alexander to chancellor, Crull to treasurer, and Butler to his old position as governor. In 1389, Richard II appointed him justiciar of Ireland, a post he held until 1391. He was heavily involved in Richard's first expedition to Ireland in 1394–1395.

    Throughout the 1390s he was involved in placating possible rebellion in Cheshire. Between 1396 and 1398 he served as captain of Roxburgh. Stanley took part in Richard II's expedition to Ireland in 1399. However, on his return to England, Stanley, who had long proved adept at political manoeuvring, turned his back on Richard and submitted to Henry IV of England.

    Stanley's fortunes were equally good under the Lancastrians. He was granted lordships in the Welsh marches, and served a term as lieutenant of Ireland. In 1403 he was made steward of the household of Henry, Prince of Wales (later Henry V). Unlike many of the Cheshire gentry, he took the side of the king in the rebellion of the Percys. He was wounded in the throat at the Battle of Shrewsbury.

    In 1405 he was granted the tenure of the Isle of Man, which had been confiscated from the rebellious Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland. In this period he also became steward of the king's household, and was elected a Knight of the Garter. In 1413 King Henry V of England sent him to serve once more as lieutenant of Ireland. He died at Ardee, County Louth, in 1414, after being satirised by the O'Higgins of Meath for despoiling the lands and raiding the cows of Niall O'Higgins. He lasted but five weeks, according to the Four Masters, before succumbing "to the virulence of the lampoons". His body was returned to Lathom and buried at Burscough Priory near Ormskirk. This was the second such Poet's Miracle performed by the O'Higgins.

    John married Isabel Lathom before 1385. Isabel (daughter of Thomas de Lathom and Joan de Venables) died on 26 Oct 1414. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Isabel Lathom (daughter of Thomas de Lathom and Joan de Venables); died on 26 Oct 1414.

    Notes:

    Ormerod, both in his history of Cheshire and in Parentalia, gives this Isabel as a daughter of Thomas Lathom's first wife, also Isabel, daughter of Roger de Pilkington. But the Feet of Fines for Yorkshire dated Quindene of Easter, 50 Edw. III, 1376, contains the lines "remainder to Thomas son of the same Thomas de Lathum and the heirs male of his body; remainder to Isabel daughter of Thomas de Lathum and Joan and the heirs male of her body." Which might indicate that Thomas was a son of the first marriage, but clearly shows that Isabel was a daughter of the second.

    Children:
    1. 1. Thomas Stanley was born in in of Elford, Staffordshire, England; died on 13 May 1463; was buried in Elford, Staffordshire, England.
    2. John Stanley, Titular King of Man was born about 1386 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died on 27 Nov 1437.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  William de Stanley was born in in of Stanley, Staffordshire, England (son of John de Stanley); died in 1397.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Storeton, Cheshire, England
    • Alternate death: Jun 1398

    Notes:

    Hereditary forester of Wirral, Cheshire. Justice in Eyre for Cheshire.

    William married Alice. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Alice

    Notes:

    Said by Ormerod (v2, p. 365) to have been Alice de Mascy, daughter of Hamon de Mascy and Matilda de Tymperley, but according to CP:XII/2, p. 247, there is no satisfactory evidence of this, although it is plausible that a de Mascy married an earlier Stanley.

    Children:
    1. 2. John Stanley, Titular King of Man was born about 1350 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died on 6 Jan 1414 in Ardee, Louth, Ireland; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England.
    2. William de Stanley was born in 1368; died about 1428.

  3. 6.  Thomas de Lathom was born in in of Lathom, Lancashire, England (son of Thomas de Lathom and Eleanor de Ferrers); died before 20 Mar 1382; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Bef 21 Mar 1382

    Notes:

    Also called Oskatel de Lathom, Lathum.

    In his Parentalia, Ormerod notes, regarding this Thomas de Lathom: "From the Inquisition of 1383, it appears that he married Isabel, daughter of Roger de Pilkington; and from a later Inquisition of 6 and 8 March 1385, it appears that he married a second wife, Jane, daughter of Hugh Venables of Kinderton. The same Inquisition states that Sir Thomas was imbecile for three months before his death, on which event his widow Jane, then enceinte, sent his body for burial at Buscough Priory, without priest or other attendance and married her previous paramour, Roger Fazackerley, in conjuction with whom she claimed dower on Wrightington, which was put to award in 7 Richard II."

    Thomas married Joan de Venables. Joan (daughter of Hugh de Venables and Katherine de Hoghton) was born about 1330 in Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died after 18 Aug 1397. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Joan de Venables was born about 1330 in Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England (daughter of Hugh de Venables and Katherine de Hoghton); died after 18 Aug 1397.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1400

    Notes:

    "[Sir Thomas de Lathom's] 2nd wife, Joan Venables, was a notorious character who is said to have neglected and abused her husband while he lay dying, to have lived openly in the same house with her lover, Roger Fazakerley, and married him after consigning Sir Thomas to a speedy burial without ceremony or mourners." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz places her a a daughter of Hugh de Venables (d. 1310) and Agatha de Vernon, but Royal Ancestry (v. 5, p. 25) places her as a daughter of his son, as we show her here.

    Children:
    1. 3. Isabel Lathom died on 26 Oct 1414.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  John de Stanley was born in in of Stanley, Staffordshire, England (son of William de Stanley and Joan de Baumville); died after 1313.

    Notes:

    Hereditary forester of Wirral, Cheshire. Ormerod gives, as his wife, "Mabel, dau. of sir James de Hausket of Storeton Parva, knt." CP says "He is said to have m. Mabel, da. of Sir James Hawkset of Stourton Parva." According to Wikitree, the book The House of Stanley by Peter Edmund Stanley (Edinburgh: The Pentland Press, 1998) argues against this and suggests an alternative. We have not seen this book, but the Wikitree page for this John Stanley summarizes its argument as follows:

    "[T]his cannot be, as from 1300-50 Stourton Parva was held by heirs of Sir Phillip de Bamville (grandfather of John) and that there was no family surnamed Hauskett associated with Stourton Parva or Little Parva during this period.

    "The author further states that a charter dated 13 Feb 1310 (no further identification given) given at Sefton in Lancashire endows John with the manors of Stanleigh and Over Elkeston in Staffordshire to be held by the said John and his wife Emma. The witnesses were: Sir Robert de Lathom of Lathom and Knowsley, Sir Ralph Bykerstaffe (Sheriff of Lancashire), Alan Norris of Formby and Speke, Thomas de Osbaldeston, William Blundel and Roger de Haverburgh.

    "Stanley suggests Emma may have been a Molyneux because of the location of the Charter, but ultimately decides she was a daughter of Sir Robert de Lathom, because when John Stanley's grandson Sir John Stanley married Isabel de Lathom in 1385, a papal dispensation was obtained owing to the prohibitive degree of consanguinity 'third cousins once removed' (Ormerod)."

    Children:
    1. 4. William de Stanley was born in in of Stanley, Staffordshire, England; died in 1397.

  2. 12.  Thomas de Lathom was born in 1300 in of Lathom, Lancashire, England (son of Robert de Lathom and Katherine); died on 17 Sep 1370.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1301, of Lathom, Lancashire, England
    • Alternate death: Bef 24 Jan 1371

    Notes:

    Knight of the shire for Lancaster, 1324. Served with the king in the expedition to France, 1344-47.

    Thomas married Eleanor de Ferrers before 21 May 1329. Eleanor (daughter of John de Ferrers and Hawise de Muscegros) died after 1360. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 13.  Eleanor de Ferrers (daughter of John de Ferrers and Hawise de Muscegros); died after 1360.
    Children:
    1. 6. Thomas de Lathom was born in in of Lathom, Lancashire, England; died before 20 Mar 1382; was buried in Burscough Priory, Lancashire, England.

  4. 14.  Hugh de Venables was born in in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England (son of Hugh de Venables and Agatha de Vernon); died between 1367 and 1368.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Oct 1367

    Notes:

    Baron of Kinderton.

    Hugh married Katherine de Hoghton. Katherine (daughter of Richard de Hoghton and Sybil de Lea) was born in in of Houghton, Lancashire, England; died after Nov 1367. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  5. 15.  Katherine de Hoghton was born in in of Houghton, Lancashire, England (daughter of Richard de Hoghton and Sybil de Lea); died after Nov 1367.
    Children:
    1. 7. Joan de Venables was born about 1330 in Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died after 18 Aug 1397.
    2. Hugh de Venables was born before 1347 in of Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England; died in 1379.