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Isabel de Say

Female Abt 1132 -


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Isabel de Say was born about 1132 in of Clun, Shropshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: William fitz Alan. William (son of Alan fitz Flaald and Aveline de Hesdin) was born in in of Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died in 1160; was buried in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. William Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1154 in of Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died in 1210.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  William Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (1.Isabel1) was born about 1154 in of Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died in 1210.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1155, of Oswestry, Shropshire, England

    William married (Unknown) de Lacy about 1175. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 3. John Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died before 15 Mar 1240.


Generation: 3

  1. 3.  John Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born in in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died before 15 Mar 1240.

    John married Isabel d'Aubigny before 1223. Isabel (daughter of William d'Aubigny and Mabel of Chester) died before 1240. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 4. John Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1223 in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died before 10 Nov 1267.


Generation: 4

  1. 4.  John Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1223 in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died before 10 Nov 1267.

    Notes:

    "John Fitz Alan, feudal Lord of Clun and Oswestry, Salop, s. and h. of John Fitz Alan of the same, by his 1st wife, Isabel, 2nd sister and, in her issue, coh. of Hugh, and da. of William (d'Aubigny), Earls of Sussex, &c, abovenamed, suc. his father (whom his mother had predeceased) in 1240. To him, by writ dat. 27 Nov. 1243, was awarded (in right of his deceased mother) the Castle and Honour of Arundel, whereby (according to the admission of 1433 abovenamed) he must be regarded as de jure Earl of Arundel. He obtained possession, 26 May 1244, of his paternal estates in Salop on payment of £1000. By the title, however, of Earl of Arundel he never appears to have been known (either in his lifetime or afterwards), although he lived 24 years after the acquisition of that Castle and Honour. In an award dat. Friday after the Circumcision 1258, he is expressly called Dominus de Arundel (i.e. Lord of the Honour of Arundel), and in the Fine Roll, 10 Mar. 1261/2, he is called Baro noster, while in his Inq. p. m. he is described (merely) as Johannes filius Alani, and the endorsement says that he held a quarter of the Earldom of Arundel. He took part in the Welsh war 1258, and, though sometimes leagued with the Barons against the Crown, was, while fighting on the Royal side, taken prisoner at the battle of Lewes, in 1264, together with the King. He m. Maud, da. of Theobald le Botiller, by his 2nd wife, Rohese, da. and h. of Nicholas de Verdun, of Alton, co. Stafford. He d. 1267, before 10 Nov. Will dat. Oct. 1267. His widow m. Richard d'Amundeville, and d. 27 Nov. 1283. He was living 1286/7." [Complete Peerage I:239-40, as corrected by Volume XIV.]

    John married Maud de Verdun before 1240. Maud (daughter of Theobald le Boteler and Rohese de Verdun) died on 27 Nov 1283. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 5. John Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 14 Sep 1246 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 18 Mar 1272; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.


Generation: 5

  1. 5.  John Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born on 14 Sep 1246 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 18 Mar 1272; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 14 Sep 1246, of Clun, Shropshire, England

    Notes:

    Chief Butler of England.

    "John Fitz Alan, feudal lord of Clun and Oswestry, and (according to the admission of 1433 abovenamed) Earl of Arundel, only s. and h., b. 14 Sep. 1246. He did homage for his estates 10 Dec. 1267. He, also (as Courthope remarks), though '22 years at his father's decease, was never known as Earl of Arundel, and it is incredible that, if he had ever borne that title, as annexed to the Castle and Honour, the fact would have been omitted in the inquisition which finds him to have died seized (1272), 56 Hen. III, of that Castle and Honour held by the 4th part of a Barony.' He m. Isabel, da. of Roger de Mortimer, of Wigmore, by Maud, da and coh. of William de Briouze, of Brecknock. He d. 18 Mar. 1271/2, and was bur. in Haughmond Abbey, Salop." [Complete Peerage I:240]

    John married Isabella de Mortimer before 14 May 1260. Isabella (daughter of Roger de Mortimer and Maud de Briouze) was born on 14 Sep 1246; died before 1 Apr 1292; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 6. Maud Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point died before 17 Nov 1326.
    2. 7. Richard Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 3 Feb 1267 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 9 Mar 1302; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.


Generation: 6

  1. 6.  Maud Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) died before 17 Nov 1326.

    Maud married Philip Burnell before 5 Jun 1283. Philip (son of Hugh Burnell and Sibyl) was born on 1 Aug 1264 in of Holgate, Shropshire, England; died on 26 Jun 1294; was buried in Whitefriars, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 8. Maud Burnell  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1290 and 1294; died before 1338.

  2. 7.  Richard Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born on 3 Feb 1267 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 9 Mar 1302; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.

    Notes:

    Also called Richard de Arundel. Earl of Arundel.

    From Complete Peerage, 1:240-41:

    Richard fitz Alan, feudal Lord of Clun and Oswestry and [according to the admission of 1443], Earl of Arundel, only son and heir, born 3 February 1266/7, and was only 5 years old at his father's death. He had seizin of his lands 8 December 1287. According to Glover he was created Earl of Sussex (a) in 1289, when he was knighted and "received the sword of the county of Sussex" from Edward I "ut vocatur Comes;", but it seems more probable that this creation was as Earl of Arundel (b). At all events no more is heard of the former title (Sussex) as connected with this family, but only of the title of Arundel. On 12 February 1290/1 there is a grant to him as Richard Arundel, Earl of Arundel. In October 1292 he was summoned by a writ directed to the Earl of Arundel, and was summoned to Parliament 24 June 1295, by a writ directed Ricardo filio Alani Comiti Arundell, ranking him as junior to all the other Earls. He fought in the Welsh wars 1288, in Gascony 1295-7, and in the Scottish wars 1298-1300, being present at the siege of Carlaverock in 1300. He signed the Barons' letter to the Pope, 12 February 1300/1.

    (a) "The Earldom of Sussex must at this period have been a subject of contention between the De Warrens and Fitz Alans, for John de Warren, Earl of Surrey, was receiving, at the very time that this investiture occurred, writs directed to him as Earl of Sussex. John de Warren was perhaps the greatest noble of the time in which he lived, and his power and influence may have operated to induce Fitz Alan to abandon his claim upon the Earldom of Sussex and to adopt that [i.e. the Earldom of Arundel] by which his descendants have ever since been known." (Courthope, p. 29).

    (b) It is worthy of remark, in connection with the very doubtful right, either of his father or grandfather, to the Earldom of Arundel, that it was not till 1282, viz. sometime after their death and during this Earl's minority, that Isabel, Countess of Arundel, widow of Hugh (d'Aubigny), died. It would almost appear (possibly owing to the largess of her dower) that the Earldom was not dealt with during her lifetime. A somewhat parallel case occurs, later on, in the same family, when Richard, Earl of Arundel, who, in 1347, had suc. his maternal uncle the Earl of Surrey, did not assume the Earldom of Surrey till the death of Joan, widow of the afsd. Earl, in 1361.

    Richard married Alice di Saluzzo in Nov 1282. Alice (daughter of Tomasso di Saluzzo and Aluigia del Vasto) was born in in of Saluzzo, Cuneo, Piedmont, Italy; died on 25 Sep 1292; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 9. Alice de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point died after 12 Dec 1325.
    2. 10. Margaret de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point died before 1354.
    3. 11. Eleanor de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1284 in Arundel, Sussex, England; died in 1328; was buried in Beverley, Yorkshire, England.
    4. 12. Edmund Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 1 May 1285 in Marlborough Castle, Wiltshire, Engand; died on 17 Nov 1326 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.


Generation: 7

  1. 8.  Maud Burnell Descendancy chart to this point (6.Maud6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born between 1290 and 1294; died before 1338.

    Family/Spouse: John Lovel. John (son of John Lovel and Joan de Ros) was born about 1288 in of Titchmarsh, Northamptonshire, England; died on 24 Jun 1314 in Bannockburn, Stirlingshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 13. John Lovel  Descendancy chart to this point was born about Sep 1314 in of Titchmarsh, Northamptonshire, England; died on 3 Nov 1347.

  2. 9.  Alice de Arundel Descendancy chart to this point (7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) died after 12 Dec 1325.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Aft 31 Mar 1342

    Alice married Stephen de Segrave before 27 Jan 1314. Stephen (son of John de Segrave and Christian de Plessets) was born about 1285 in of West Hatch, Wiltshire, England; died before 12 Dec 1325 in Aquitaine, France; was buried in Chaucombe Priory, Chaucombe, Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 14. John de Segrave  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 4 May 1315; died on 20 Mar 1353; was buried in Chacombe Priory, Northamptonshire, England.

  3. 10.  Margaret de Arundel Descendancy chart to this point (7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) died before 1354.

    Family/Spouse: William le Boteler. William (son of William le Boteler and Beatrice) was born on 8 Sep 1298 in of Wem, Shropshire, England; died on 22 Dec 1361. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 15. William le Boteler  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1331 in of Wem, Shropshire, England; died on 14 Aug 1369.

  4. 11.  Eleanor de Arundel Descendancy chart to this point (7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1284 in Arundel, Sussex, England; died in 1328; was buried in Beverley, Yorkshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: Henry de Percy. Henry (son of Henry de Percy and Eleanor de Warenne) was born on 25 Mar 1273 in Petworth, Sussex, England; died on 2 Oct 1314 in Alnwick, Northumberland, England; was buried in Fountain Abbey, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 16. Henry de Percy  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1299; died on 26 Feb 1352 in Warkworth, Northumberland, England; was buried in Alnwick, Northumberland, England.

  5. 12.  Edmund Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born on 1 May 1285 in Marlborough Castle, Wiltshire, Engand; died on 17 Nov 1326 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 1 May 1285, Marlborough Castle, Wiltshire, England

    Notes:

    Also called Edmund Arundel. Earl of Arundel. An opponent of Gaveston, he became one of the Lords Ordainers, and one of those before whom Gaveston was tried before he was killed. Edmund Fitz Alan was also among the magnates who refused to help Edward II against Scotland, resulting in the disaster at Bannockburn. However, around the time his son Richard was betrothed to Hugh Dispenser the Younger's daughter Isabel, Fitz Alan began a rapprochement with the king. This would ultimately result in Fitz Alan's execution on the order of Roger Mortimer. According to a one account, a blunt sword was ordered, and his beheading took 22 strokes.

    "Though he was never canonised, a cult emerged around the late earl in the 1390s, associating him with the 9th-century martyr king St Edmund. This veneration may have been inspired by a similar cult around his grandson, Richard Fitz Alan, 11th Earl of Arundel, who was executed by Richard II in 1397." [Wikipedia]

    Just to drive home the point that association with the Despensers never works out for anybody, in 1344 his son Richard sought and obtained an anullment from his marriage to Isabel le Despenser, on the grounds that the betrothal had been inflicted on him in childhood and without his consent.

    Edmund married Alice de Warenne after 30 Dec 1304. Alice (daughter of William de Warenne and Joan de Vere) died between 1330 and 23 May 1338. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 17. Mary de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point died on 29 Aug 1396.
    2. 18. Aline de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point died on 20 Jan 1386.
    3. 19. Elizabeth de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point died on 11 Mar 1384.
    4. 20. Eleanor de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point died before 30 Mar 1347.
    5. 21. Richard Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1313 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 24 Jan 1376 in Arundel, Sussex, England; was buried in Lewes Priory, Sussex, England.


Generation: 8

  1. 13.  John Lovel Descendancy chart to this point (8.Maud7, 6.Maud6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born about Sep 1314 in of Titchmarsh, Northamptonshire, England; died on 3 Nov 1347.

    Notes:

    He fought at Crécy in 1346.

    John married Isabel before 1341. Isabel died on 2 Jul 1349. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 22. John Lovel  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1340 and 1341 in of Titchmarsh, Northamptonshire, England; died on 10 Sep 1408 in Wardour, Wiltshire, England.

  2. 14.  John de Segrave Descendancy chart to this point (9.Alice7, 7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born on 4 May 1315; died on 20 Mar 1353; was buried in Chacombe Priory, Northamptonshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: of Segrave, Leicestershire, England
    • Alternate death: 1 Apr 1353, Bretby, Repton, Derbyshire, England

    John married Margaret Marshal in 1334. Margaret (daughter of Thomas of Brotherton and Alice de Hales) was born about 1322; died on 24 Mar 1399; was buried in Christ Church Greyfriars, Newgate, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 23. Elizabeth de Segrave  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 25 Oct 1338 in Croxton Abbey, Melton Mobray, Leicestershire, England; died between 1364 and 1368.

  3. 15.  William le Boteler Descendancy chart to this point (10.Margaret7, 7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1331 in of Wem, Shropshire, England; died on 14 Aug 1369.

    Notes:

    He was summoned to Parliament 23 Feb 1368 and 6 Apr 1369.

    William married Elizabeth de Handesacre before 5 Jul 1343. Elizabeth (daughter of William de Handesacre and Eleanor) died after Apr 1361. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 24. Elizabeth le Boteler  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1345; died on 19 Jun 1411.

  4. 16.  Henry de Percy Descendancy chart to this point (11.Eleanor7, 7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born in 1299; died on 26 Feb 1352 in Warkworth, Northumberland, England; was buried in Alnwick, Northumberland, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 2 Feb 1300, Leconfield, Yorkshire, England
    • Alternate birth: 6 Feb 1301, Leconfield, Yorkshire, England
    • Alternate death: 27 Feb 1352, Warkworth, Northumberland, England

    Notes:

    Keeper of Berwick Castle; Keeper of the Coast of Yorkshire and Northumberland; Keeper of Bamburgh and Skipton Castles; Warden of the Scottish Marches; Justiciar of the East March.

    M.P. 1322-52, according to Ancestral Roots.

    Great-grandfather of Henry "Hotspur" Percy.

    "A powerful border lord, he was a justiciar and warden of the Scottish marches, participated frequently in raids, skirmishes, battles and sieges against the Scots, including the battle of Neville's Cross, where he commanded a division." [The Ancestry of Charles II]

    Henry married Idoine de Clifford about 1318. Idoine (daughter of Robert de Clifford and Maud de Clare) was born in in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died on 24 Aug 1365; was buried in Beverley Minster, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 25. Isabel Percy  Descendancy chart to this point died between 13 Sep 1349 and 25 May 1368.
    2. 26. Eleanor de Percy  Descendancy chart to this point died before 18 Oct 1361; was buried in Dunmow Priory, Little Dunmow, Essex, England.
    3. 27. Henry de Percy  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1322 and 1325 in of Alnwick, Northumberland, England; died about 18 May 1368 in Warkworth, Northumberland, England; was buried in Alnwick Abbey, Northumberland, England.
    4. 28. Maud Percy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1345 in Alnwick, Northumberland, England; died before 18 Feb 1379; was buried in Durham Cathedral, Durham, Durham, England.

  5. 17.  Mary de Arundel Descendancy chart to this point (12.Edmund7, 7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) died on 29 Aug 1396.

    Notes:

    Also called Mary Fitz Alan.

    Mary married John le Strange before 1354. John (son of John le Strange and Ankaret le Boteler) was born about 19 Apr 1332 in Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died on 12 May 1361. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 29. Ankaret le Strange  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1361; died on 1 Jun 1413.

  6. 18.  Aline de Arundel Descendancy chart to this point (12.Edmund7, 7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) died on 20 Jan 1386.

    Aline married Roger le Strange before Jul 1351. Roger (son of Roger le Strange and Maud) was born between 1326 and 1327 in of Knockin, Shropshire, England; died on 23 Aug 1382 in Kenwick's Wood in Ellesmere, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 30. Joan le Strange  Descendancy chart to this point died after 16 Oct 1390.
    2. 31. Lucy le Strange  Descendancy chart to this point died after 28 Apr 1398; was buried in Spilsby, Lincolnshire, England.

  7. 19.  Elizabeth de Arundel Descendancy chart to this point (12.Edmund7, 7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) died on 11 Mar 1384.

    Elizabeth married William le Latimer before 10 Aug 1353. William (son of William le Latimer and Elizabeth Botetourt) was born on 24 Mar 1330 in Scampston, Yorkshire, England; died on 28 May 1381; was buried in Guisborough Priory, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 32. Elizabeth le Latimer  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1357; died on 5 Nov 1395.

  8. 20.  Eleanor de Arundel Descendancy chart to this point (12.Edmund7, 7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) died before 30 Mar 1347.

    Eleanor married Gerard de Lisle after 3 Dec 1329. Gerard (son of Warin de Lisle and Alice le Tyeys) was born about 1304 in of Stowe, Northamptonshire, England; died on 9 Jun 1360. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 33. Warin de Lisle  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1333 in of Kingston Lisle, Berkshire, England; died on 28 Jun 1382.

  9. 21.  Richard Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (12.Edmund7, 7.Richard6, 5.John5, 4.John4, 3.John3, 2.William2, 1.Isabel1) was born about 1313 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 24 Jan 1376 in Arundel, Sussex, England; was buried in Lewes Priory, Sussex, England.

    Notes:

    "Steward of Scotland, 1326-1336; Justice of North Wales, 1334-1376; Sheriff of Carnarvonshire 1339-1343, 1346-1347; Admiral of the West, 1340-1341 and 1345-1347; Sheriff of Shropshire, 1345-1376; commanded the 2nd division at the battle of Crécy, 26 Aug 1346, and was at the fall of Calais, 1347; assumed the title of Earl of Surrey, 1361, upon the death of his maternal aunt, Joan, widow of John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Called "Copped Hat."

    A pair of memorial effigies depicting Richard Fitz Alan and his second wife Eleanor of Lancaster can be seen at Chichester Cathedral. They lie side by side, a lion at his feet and a dog at hers. In a note of tenderness that makes one wonder if the sculptor knew the couple, he has his right hand ungloved, and her right hand rests lightly upon his.

    These effigies were celebrated in 1956 by Philip Larkin in his poem "An Arundel Tomb," the last lines of which are quoted on Larkin's own Poet's Corner memorial stone in Westminster Abbey.

    Richard married Isabel le Despenser on 9 Feb 1321 in Havering-atte-Bower, Middlesex, England. Isabel (daughter of Hugh le Despenser and Eleanor de Clare) was born between 1312 and 1313. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 34. Edmund Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1329 in of Chedzoy, Devon, England; died before 12 Feb 1382.

    Richard married Eleanor of Lancaster on 5 Apr 1345. Eleanor (daughter of Henry of Lancaster and Maud de Chaworth) was born about 1318; died on 11 Jan 1372 in Arundel, Sussex, England; was buried in Lewes Priory, Sussex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 35. Joan Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point died on 17 Apr 1419.
    2. 36. Alice Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point died on 17 Mar 1416.
    3. 37. John de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point died on 15 Dec 1379 in In the Irish Sea; was buried in Lewes Priory, Sussex, England.
    4. 38. Richard de Arundel  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1346; died on 21 Sep 1397 in Cheapside, London, England; was buried in Church of the Austin Friars, London, England.