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Robert Fitz Picot de Say

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Robert Fitz Picot de Say was born in in of Sai, Orne, Normandy, France; died in 1098.

    Notes:

    Domesday tenant of Clun.

    "Robert de Say, also called Robert Fitz-Picot, was a Norman knight who arrived in Shropshire after the Norman invasion. Robert is most noted for the initial construction of Clun Castle, building it overlooking the lands he had seized from Edric the Wild after the invasion." [Wikipedia]

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Henry de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died after 1130.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Henry de Say Descendancy chart to this point (1.Robert1) was born in in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died after 1130.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate death: Abt 1140

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 3. Elias de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died in 1165.


Generation: 3

  1. 3.  Elias de Say Descendancy chart to this point (2.Henry2, 1.Robert1) was born in in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died in 1165.

    Notes:

    Also called Helias; Hellias; Ingram.

    "Helias de Say (died 1165), also called Hellias, was a Norman nobleman who lived in Clun near Shrewsbury, along the medieval Welsh Marches. He is believed to have inherited Clun Castle from his father, Henry de Say, in the reign of Henry I. Helias held the key fortification of Clun Castle during the years of the Anarchy. He was an important early benefactor of Haughmond Abbey. Upon his death, his only surviving child and heiress was Isabella de Say." [Wikipedia]

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 4. Isabel de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1132 in of Clun, Shropshire, England.


Generation: 4

  1. 4.  Isabel de Say Descendancy chart to this point (3.Elias3, 2.Henry2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1132 in of Clun, Shropshire, England.

    Family/Spouse: William fitz Alan. William (son of Alan fitz Flaald and Aveline de Hesdin) was born in in of Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died in 1160; was buried in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 5. William Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1154 in of Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died in 1210.


Generation: 5

  1. 5.  William Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (4.Isabel4, 3.Elias3, 2.Henry2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1154 in of Oswestry, Shropshire, England; died in 1210.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1155, of Oswestry, Shropshire, England

    William married (Unknown) de Lacy about 1175. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 6. John Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born in in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died before 15 Mar 1240.


Generation: 6

  1. 6.  John Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (5.William5, 4.Isabel4, 3.Elias3, 2.Henry2, 1.Robert1) was born in in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died before 15 Mar 1240.

    John married Isabel d'Aubigny before 1223. Isabel (daughter of William d'Aubigny and Mabel of Chester) died before 1240. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 7. John Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1223 in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died before 10 Nov 1267.


Generation: 7

  1. 7.  John Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (6.John6, 5.William5, 4.Isabel4, 3.Elias3, 2.Henry2, 1.Robert1) was born about 1223 in of Clun, Shropshire, England; died before 10 Nov 1267.

    Notes:

    "John Fitz Alan, feudal Lord of Clun and Oswestry, Salop, s. and h. of John Fitz Alan of the same, by his 1st wife, Isabel, 2nd sister and, in her issue, coh. of Hugh, and da. of William (d'Aubigny), Earls of Sussex, &c, abovenamed, suc. his father (whom his mother had predeceased) in 1240. To him, by writ dat. 27 Nov. 1243, was awarded (in right of his deceased mother) the Castle and Honour of Arundel, whereby (according to the admission of 1433 abovenamed) he must be regarded as de jure Earl of Arundel. He obtained possession, 26 May 1244, of his paternal estates in Salop on payment of £1000. By the title, however, of Earl of Arundel he never appears to have been known (either in his lifetime or afterwards), although he lived 24 years after the acquisition of that Castle and Honour. In an award dat. Friday after the Circumcision 1258, he is expressly called Dominus de Arundel (i.e. Lord of the Honour of Arundel), and in the Fine Roll, 10 Mar. 1261/2, he is called Baro noster, while in his Inq. p. m. he is described (merely) as Johannes filius Alani, and the endorsement says that he held a quarter of the Earldom of Arundel. He took part in the Welsh war 1258, and, though sometimes leagued with the Barons against the Crown, was, while fighting on the Royal side, taken prisoner at the battle of Lewes, in 1264, together with the King. He m. Maud, da. of Theobald le Botiller, by his 2nd wife, Rohese, da. and h. of Nicholas de Verdun, of Alton, co. Stafford. He d. 1267, before 10 Nov. Will dat. Oct. 1267. His widow m. Richard d'Amundeville, and d. 27 Nov. 1283. He was living 1286/7." [Complete Peerage I:239-40, as corrected by Volume XIV.]

    John married Maud de Verdun before 1240. Maud (daughter of Theobald le Boteler and Rohese de Verdun) died on 27 Nov 1283. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 8. John Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 14 Sep 1246 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 18 Mar 1272; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.


Generation: 8

  1. 8.  John Fitz Alan Descendancy chart to this point (7.John7, 6.John6, 5.William5, 4.Isabel4, 3.Elias3, 2.Henry2, 1.Robert1) was born on 14 Sep 1246 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 18 Mar 1272; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.

    Other Events:

    • Alternate birth: 14 Sep 1246, of Clun, Shropshire, England

    Notes:

    Chief Butler of England.

    "John Fitz Alan, feudal lord of Clun and Oswestry, and (according to the admission of 1433 abovenamed) Earl of Arundel, only s. and h., b. 14 Sep. 1246. He did homage for his estates 10 Dec. 1267. He, also (as Courthope remarks), though '22 years at his father's decease, was never known as Earl of Arundel, and it is incredible that, if he had ever borne that title, as annexed to the Castle and Honour, the fact would have been omitted in the inquisition which finds him to have died seized (1272), 56 Hen. III, of that Castle and Honour held by the 4th part of a Barony.' He m. Isabel, da. of Roger de Mortimer, of Wigmore, by Maud, da and coh. of William de Briouze, of Brecknock. He d. 18 Mar. 1271/2, and was bur. in Haughmond Abbey, Salop." [Complete Peerage I:240]

    John married Isabella de Mortimer before 14 May 1260. Isabella (daughter of Roger de Mortimer and Maud de Briouze) died before 1 Apr 1292; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 9. Maud Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point died before 17 Nov 1326.
    2. 10. Richard Fitz Alan  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 3 Feb 1267 in of Arundel, Sussex, England; died on 9 Mar 1302; was buried in Haughmond Abbey, Shropshire, England.