Making Light :: Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld :: comments http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#comments Language, fraud, folly, truth, history, and knitting. Et cetera. en Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:49:12 -0500 http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/?v=4.34-en Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld Seymour Hersh's much-anticipated New Yorker article about Rumsfeld repeatedly overriding the Pentagon's military planners, and personally micromanaging what has turned... Seymour Hersh's much-anticipated New Yorker article about Rumsfeld repeatedly overriding the Pentagon's military planners, and personally micromanaging what has turned... http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #1 from Erik V. Olson comment from Erik V. Olson on 31.Mar.03 I expect, that by the end of the week, some unsavory bbit of Mr. Hersh's past will be hammered all over the airwaves, and the words "Moore" and "Hersh" will quickly be linked forever. The administration will insist that all is going to plan, and the US media will carefully report that, and only that. Gen. Franks will be relieved of command, possibly Wallace as well, to get the heat off Rumsfield, and some other General will be sent in, with order to Take Baghdad now.

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 10:49 AM by Erik V. Olson</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18138 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18138 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:49:12 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #2 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 31.Mar.03 Check out Hersh's bio -- Pulitzer Prize winner, long career as one of America's most prominent and respected journalists. If he were a nogoodnik, someone would have noticed long before now.

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 11:03 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18141 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18141 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:03:29 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #3 from Maureen Speller comment from Maureen Speller on 31.Mar.03

Which is of course pretty much the line St Tony Blair was pushing before war got under way, in response to us peaceniks who would insist on suggesting that maybe going to war was a bad thing.

Thanks for posting the transcript details too. They're going to make interesting reading alongside the Hersh piece. It was noted on the UK news this morning that Rumsfeld had had a busy media weekend.

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 11:07 AM by Maureen Speller</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18142 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18142 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:07:10 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #4 from Maureen Speller comment from Maureen Speller on 31.Mar.03 "You?d agree with everything we?ve done if you had access to secret information we aren?t going to show you." ... is the quote missing from the top of my previous post. Sorry.

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 11:08 AM by Maureen Speller</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18143 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18143 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:08:26 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #5 from Lis comment from Lis on 31.Mar.03 "I expect, that by the end of the week, some unsavory bbit of Mr. Hersh's past will be hammered all over the airwaves"
Well, after Hersh's expose of Richard Perle a couple weeks ago, Perle announced he was going to sue Hersh for libel in the UK, where the libel laws are less friendly to writers. The general response in the press has been support for Hersh, mocking of Perle, and Perle has since resigned from his chairmanship role in the Defense Policy Board (though he's still a member in a non-leadership position).

So, this demonization of Hersh has just been tried and hasn't stuck yet.

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 11:35 AM by Lis</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18147 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18147 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:35:58 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #6 from Chuck Nolan comment from Chuck Nolan on 31.Mar.03 I heard someone say (or maybe I read it in a blog) that Perle resigned because only the Chairman of that board is subject to ethics rules regarding conflict of interest. As an unpaid member, he can't be investigated.

Substantiation, if anyone can?

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 12:06 PM by Chuck Nolan</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18151 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18151 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:06:43 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #7 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 31.Mar.03 Substantiation would be interesting. All I know is that the person who asked Perle to stay on the DPB was Donald Rumsfeld.

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 2:43 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18164 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18164 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:43:49 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #8 from Andrew Brown comment from Andrew Brown on 31.Mar.03 Well, if they dont hang together, they will deservedly hang separately.

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 3:12 PM by Andrew Brown</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18167 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18167 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:12:52 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #9 from Bruce Arthurs comment from Bruce Arthurs on 31.Mar.03 "It's not my fault. General Franks ate my homework."

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 4:02 PM by Bruce Arthurs</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18174 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18174 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:02:34 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #10 from Clark Myers comment from Clark Myers on 31.Mar.03 Interesting to see Marines in Woodland and briefing folks in Desert - no doubt for good reason but Mauldin's Willy and Joe had comments on similar issues.
Still, though some place the Clinton era blame elsewhere, I suspect based on what I truly believe (true believer eh Mr. Hoffer?) was Les Aspin's decision on armor support that the urge to go cheap (Dulles and brinksmanship) is as universal as the urge to edit somebody else's copy?

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 5:53 PM by Clark Myers</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18185 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18185 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:53:31 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #11 from Kathryn Cramer comment from Kathryn Cramer on 31.Mar.03 Too weird: Corporate downsizing meets right-wing expansionism in a special really long episode of Pinky and the Brain.

God help us all.

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 6:03 PM by Kathryn Cramer</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18187 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18187 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:03:04 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #12 from Jane Yolen comment from Jane Yolen on 31.Mar.03 And God help the poor grunts in the field. AND the Iraqis they will take out their frustrations on.

Jane

]]> <p>Posted March 31, 2003 7:15 PM by Jane Yolen</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18194 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18194 Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:15:50 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #13 from Maureen Speller comment from Maureen Speller on 1.Apr.03 Teresa, I printed out the article and the transcripts for Paul last night and he read them through. Apart from commenting on Rumsfeld's enviable ability to repeat himself almost word for word in separate interviews, he also had another interesting comment. Which is that Rumsfeld's phrasing, pauses, etc. reminded him strongly of someone, and he eventually realised it was Richard Nixon. I wouldn't know - I don't really remember Nixon and wasn't paying attention at the time - but I was struck by the comment.

]]> <p>Posted April 1, 2003 1:27 AM by Maureen Speller</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18209 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18209 Tue, 01 Apr 2003 01:27:47 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #14 from Darkhawk comment from Darkhawk on 1.Apr.03 I was considering rereading Pratchett's Jingo earlier for utterly unrelated reasons when I realised that I wasn't entirely certain I could handle dealing with Lord Rust[feld]. The parallels are far, far too close for anything other than wincing.

]]> <p>Posted April 1, 2003 2:10 AM by Darkhawk</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18215 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18215 Tue, 01 Apr 2003 02:10:20 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #15 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 1.Apr.03 "Rumsfeld's phrasing, pauses, etc. reminded him strongly of someone, and he eventually realised it was Richard Nixon."

You can get your very own personal sample of Rumsfeldspeak here: Ask Don Rumsfeld! (Be sure to click "Show Citations.")

]]> <p>Posted April 1, 2003 8:53 AM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18233 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18233 Tue, 01 Apr 2003 08:53:36 -0500 Seymour Hersh pins it on Rumsfeld -- comment #16 from Ben comment from Ben on 1.Apr.03 Rummie: "This has been planned, that was what his plan was. I haven't signed a new deployment order in days. ... "

Today's Washington Post: "The Pentagon has reacted to unexpectedly stiff Iraqi resistance by boosting U.S. forces in Iraq ahead of their scheduled deployment dates, a defense official said."

(from http://www.provenanceunknown.com/archive/000416.html)

]]> <p>Posted April 1, 2003 3:31 PM by Ben</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18276 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002516.html#18276 Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:31:23 -0500