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April 7, 2012

More to follow, but —
Posted by Teresa at 07:10 PM * 34 comments

Patrick and Avram are both on the Hugo Ballot.


Congratulations especially to Avram, whose first Hugo nomination this is.

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#1 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 07:21 PM:

I ran right out and purchased a supporting membership...well, so that I could vote for Jo. But I plan to vote for Patrick and Avram too.

#2 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 07:23 PM:

So is Jo Walton, for her novel Among Others, which is distilled awesomeness in every respect.

#3 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 07:28 PM:

Congratulations to both Patrick and Avram! (And Jo, and Neil, who comments here from time to time, and Scalzi, who's about occasionally as well.)

#5 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 07:54 PM:

Congratulations to you both! And see some of you at the Hugos. I'm not sure I'll have to lead the SFWA cortege with a balloon to the ceremonies again, but I'll be helping in some capacity.

#6 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 08:07 PM:

And Bear! Logging on from my iPad when I should be sleeping to mention her. Because she is that awesome.

#7 ::: Lizzy L ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 08:52 PM:

All good. Congratulations.

#8 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 09:27 PM:

This is all very good news. Huzzah!

#9 ::: Dave Bell ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 09:36 PM:

There are a surprising number of people that I know who are on the lists.

We have had conversations. I have not met all of them.

It's not the world I was expecting when I went to my first Worldcon

#10 ::: Xopher HalfTongue ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 10:29 PM:

Congratulations, all you nominees!

I was also pleased to see that Digger was nominated, and somewhat bemused to see that an acceptance speech from last year was nominated as BDP(S).

Scalzi is tickled pink about his nomination.

#11 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 10:57 PM:

Remembering that particular acceptance speech, I think it's a reasonable nomination.

#12 ::: Xopher HalfTongue ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 11:09 PM:

P J, I could quibble about it's being a dramatic presentation, since it sure looked to me like that was unscripted, spontaneous, and nakedly sincere. And in fact that's what made it so wonderful, IMO.

*rest of comment deleted because I don't want to be quite that much of a BOF this early in the game*

#13 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 11:23 PM:

Yes, but it was dramatic. (I don't think there's anything in the rules about it needing to be scripted....)

#14 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2012, 11:36 PM:

Congrats all round!

#15 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 12:08 AM:

I've known for weeks (about NYRSF's nomination, not the others), but was pledged to secrecy. I was told the info wouldn't be public till Sunday. Thank you all.

Congrats also to Seanan McGuire, who's all over the ballot!

#16 ::: Gray Woodland ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 03:06 AM:

Congratulations all round! That's quite a ballot there.

#17 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 04:30 AM:

A few Hugo observations before I go downstairs and rejoin the Eastercon throng.

(1) I'm not sure that Seanan McGuire is the first person to be a finalist in four different categories in the same year, but I'm pretty sure she's the first person to do it under two different bylines. As Seanan McGuire: co-editor of Best Fancast nominee SF Squeecast and author of Best Related Work nominee Wicked Girls. And as Mira Grant, author of Best Novella nominee Countdown and of Best Novel nominee Deadline.

(2) Terrific to see The New York Review of Science Fiction back on the ballot after its inexplicable absence for the last few years. Not only because of the Making Light connection (hi, Avram!) but also because it's an important piece of the infrastructure of our field.

(3) In 2010, Liz Gorinsky and I were both nominated for Best Professional Editor (Long Form), marking the first time in Hugo history that an editor and his-or-her assistant were both finalists. We're doing that again this year...but what may be less obvious is that this year is the first time an author and his personal assistant are both nominees in the Best Novel category, because George R. R. Martin is a finalist for A Dance with Dragons while one of the other finalists is Leviathan Wakes by "James S. A. Corey" -- a pseudonym for the writing team of Daniel Abraham and George's longtime PA, Ty Frank.

(4) Betsy Wollheim. About time. How many decades?

#18 ::: Janet K ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 07:34 AM:


#19 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 08:54 AM:

Patrick @ 17... Betsy Wollheim has been at it for 37 years.

#20 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 01:03 PM:

Congratulations to all the nominees.

#21 ::: Mary Robinette Kowal ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 01:21 PM:


#22 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 01:25 PM:

Mary Robinette Kowal @21:

Back atcha. Well done on your nomination!

#23 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2012, 01:27 PM:

Correction to my #17: Seanan McGuire is not the "author" of Best Related Work finalist Wicked Girls. It's a music album. She's the songwriter and performer.

I'm pretty sure nobody has ever before been a finalist on the same Hugo ballot for podcasting, performing music, and writing prose fiction.

#24 ::: Lee ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2012, 09:08 AM:

Patrick, #23: Oh, so that's how you get filk on the Hugos...

Congratulations all! I'll have more to say when I'm back from Boston in a few days, and typing on a real keyboard again.

#25 ::: Joshua Kronengold ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2012, 12:19 PM:

Wow, I'd seen our nomination, but not that Avram had made it up to editorial credits! Congrats, Avram!

#26 ::: C. Wingate ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2012, 03:01 PM:

I am the first to remark that Hugo could get a Hugo?

#27 ::: elise ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2012, 04:07 PM:

Hey, Patrick, I thought of you when the filk workshop at Minicon was engaged in filking "We all cheer for the Hugo nominees, Hugo nominees, Hugo nominees" to the tune of "Yellow Submarine."

Congratulations all around! Christopher Garcia was pretty pleased at his four nominations too. (He was one of the Minicon GoHs this past weekend.) He pointed out that there were three people on the list with four nominations each: himself, Seanan McGuire and James Bacon.

Congratulations on getting three nominations go to Catherynne M. Valente.

Congratulations on two nominations apiece goes out to Mary Robinett Kowal (hi!), George R.R. Martin, Ken Liu, Paul Cornell, Howard Tayler, Lynne M. Thomas, John Joseph Adams, Claire Brialey, John DeNardo, and Jonathan Strahan.

(Also, Brad Torgersen and E. Lily Yu both have a Hugo nomination and a Campbell Award nomination.)

And yay Avram!

D'you think Scorsese will come to the ceremony? ;-)

#28 ::: Bruce Cohen (Speaker to Managers) ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2012, 06:33 PM:

Congratulations to all, and best of luck in the final ballots.

#29 ::: Jon Baker ::: (view all by) ::: April 10, 2012, 06:12 PM:

Congratulations Avram, Patrick, Kevin, Jo, etc.!

I see Seanan McGuire is nominated in four categories: twice for fiction as Mira Grant, for a filk album under Best Related Work as herself, and as herself under Best Fancast. Some questions for the sports-reporter types:

1) how many people have been nominated for 4 categories in the same year? who were they?

2) is this the first time a filk album has been nominated as "Best Related Work"? I suppose it's connected to her success as a prose writer. There have been other writers who also were filkers, but I can't think of any who combined success in genre writing with regular publication of filk albums.

Leslie Fish has written a few short stories for anthologies, Roberta Rogow has written a few limited-circulation novels and stories. CJ Cherryh is/was a filker, but hasn't produced any albums/tapes that I know of, unless they were in the distant past. Randall Garrett certainly wrote a lot of filks as well as fiction, but I don't think he made any albums.

Hmm, that suggests something. There is a database of filk songbooks ( For those authors who also wrote filks, perhaps they should be loaded into ISFDB as creative genre output? If poetry and essays are included, it seems reasonable.

#30 ::: Serge Broom ::: (view all by) ::: April 11, 2012, 11:16 PM:

It really is a shame that "The Adjustment Bureau" didn't make it to the movie's final list. At least most of the other contenders deserved to make it too.

#31 ::: Michael I ::: (view all by) ::: April 12, 2012, 08:21 AM:

Jon Baker@29

According to discussion in the "Hugo Nomination Thoughts, 2012" (4/7/12) thread on Scalzi's site, there have been six people with four nominations. In addition to McGuire they are Mike Resnick, Michael Swanwick, Bob Eggleton in previous years and James Bacon, Christopher Garcia this year.

A list of multiple nominations through 2005 is here

#32 ::: Lori Coulson ::: (view all by) ::: April 12, 2012, 09:26 AM:

Jon Baker @29:

Mercedes Lackey was a filker before she was a published writer, and included songs in her very first published novel, Arrows of the Queen.

To the best of my knowledge, there is a cassette or CD for every Valdemar trilogy published.

#33 ::: Lee ::: (view all by) ::: April 13, 2012, 01:52 PM:

Jon, #29: The Hugo committee in general has been extremely hostile to filk, so yes, I think it's likely that this is the first time a filk album has ever made the ballot. There was an attempt to establish a "Music Performance" Hugo in the 1990s (which was being pushed by the filk community, but would have covered non-filk music as well), but it crashed and burned.

On a slightly different note, I would really like to see a "Best Video" Hugo broken out, because it's as unfair to compare fanvids to TV-show episodes as it is to compare the latter to movies. And there have been some really good original-work fanvids over the last few years; that field is taking off every bit as much as podcasting has done.

#34 ::: Bill Stewart ::: (view all by) ::: April 14, 2012, 12:37 AM:

Scalzi posted Links to the Hugo-nominated short stories over on Whatever, and modestly closed the discussion, since his appalling April Fool's joke of a story is nominated.

(Boy did I pick a bad year to space out and miss the deadline for getting the supporting Worldcon bid in so I could get the Hugo nominees :-) Lots of good writing out there this year.)

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