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March 2, 2021

Open thread 224
Posted by Patrick at 04:27 PM * 186 comments

For Teresa and me, March 1 has long been the anniversary of the day we moved to New York City, back in 1984.

This year, it was also the first anniversary of the announcement of the first known case of COVID-19 in New York City.

With any luck, we’ll live to mark future March 1sts as the anniversary of when Teresa got her first shot of the COVID-19 vaccine. And thanks to my being up-and-online freakishly early this morning, March 2, I unexpectedly got my own first shot today. We both have appointments for our second shots.

Signs and portents. Maybe we can make some light.

Comments on Open thread 224:
#1 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 06:42 PM:

Thanks for the new Open Thread, Patrick!

I was able to make a vaccine appointment this morning--for April 16. I'm hoping to be able to find one somewhat sooner, but just having one is a big relief.

#2 ::: Cassy B. ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 07:09 PM:

My husband's had his first shot; I'm hoping to eventually get mine, but I can't even make an appointment yet. Although in my state I'm eligible, in my county I'm not. Yet.

(My husband works IT, but he does it in a warehouse. And to give you some idea just how dangerous that environment is, he's already had COVID.)

So, socially isolating. I've gotten good at that in the last year...

#3 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 07:27 PM:

I'm hoping to get the shot sometime - I'm eligible, but it doesn't seem to be available within 20 miles of me.

#4 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 07:28 PM:

So glad you've both been able to get the vaccine! (Me too, since I've been working at a COVID-19 testing site [now also a vaccine site] since April 2020.)

#5 ::: Aquila ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 07:31 PM:

That's great news, Patrick.

Celebrating each and every vaccination is a new and healing good.

#6 ::: xeger ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 07:34 PM:

> Signs and portents

I hope this turns out to have no relationship at all to Babylon 5 -- that'd be entirely too much excitement.

#7 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 07:44 PM:

I forget whether I mentioned this, but Tom Galloway sent me a note that Wal-Mart in Texas was making appointments for shots. I originally thought I made one for Wednesday the 17th, but I messed up the process on the website and didn't. After calling them and confirming that I didn't have an appointment (I hadn't gotten a confirmation email) I got back on their site just past midnight to see if I could get an appointment for the next day to open up: this happened to be Friday the 19th.

Well, as things turned out I probably couldn't have kept that Wednesday the 17th appointment; but I did on the 19th. I was a little surprised that I was able to, what with everything going on in Texas that week, but it did happen.

No real side effects: just a little injection site pain, no worse than a flu shot. And I have an appointment for a second shot, four weeks after the first, which I may ask for in the opposite shoulder.

#8 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 07:50 PM:

I check the Worldometers site for US coronavirus daily — my bookmark has the page subtitle saved from when I first bookmarked it:
"United States Coronavirus: 24,137 Cases and 288 Deaths" (sigh)

The daily new case number has been steadily dropping since the peak in early January. Last week it seemed to have leveled off. This week it seems to have gone back to dropping: looks like the leveling-off was really a bump back upwards due to the Super Bowl.

#9 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 02, 2021, 08:45 PM:

So happy to hear you and Teresa are getting your anti-COVID jabs, Patrick. Every time I heard that someone I know is getting their vaccine, it's like one more star lights up in my personal sky. And y'all are very bright stars indeed.

Between the pandemic curtailing my roller derby activities and the BMI being a bullshit metric for obesity, I get to claim one (1) high-risk condition under Colorado's vaccine schedule, and get myself jabbed whenever phase 1B.4 rolls around. Until then--and probably for some time after, too, from what I hear so far about post-vaccination asymptomatic transmission--the spouse and I will continue isolating, as we have been fortunate enough to be able to do so thoroughly with our fully work-from-home lives.

I really miss derby. Our league does Zoom workouts once a week, but it's not the same. Also those workouts have really brought home to me how much my fitness has deteriorated. And I don't mean the weight gain. Just, wow my strength and endurance have taken a nose-dive. I feel very wimpy and sad about it.

#10 ::: Sumana Harihareswara ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 07:39 AM:

Yay and congrats!

I wrote up my NYC experience of getting the first Moderna shot, talking about eligibility in New York, booking the appointment, and how the process went.

#11 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 08:25 AM:

Sumana's writeup, linked above, is informative and useful.

I've talked about our getting vaccinated both here and on Twitter, and I'm not unaware that this is bound to trigger unhappiness in some people who would like to get vaccinated and can't, yet, whether because of supply issues or the rules of their particular location. One person on Twitter described themself as having "impfneid," which turns out to one of those wonderful German compound words, in this case meaning "vaccine envy." I totally get that! My view is that it's overwhelmingly in the public interest that everyone eligible should get vaccinated as soon as possible, using any loophole legally available to them -- if the rules in Little Rock, Arkansas specify that used-car salesmen and court recorders over the age of 25 are eligible, let's get vaccines into those people's arms.

Is it fair? Of course it's not fair. But the basic mistake was the previous administration's decision to devolve most responsibility for dealing with the pandemic to state and local jurisdictions, which in the United States inevitably means a patchwork of wildly diverse laws, rules, and attitudes. The new administration is doing a lot to ameliorate this awful decision, but it can't really be completely fixed. Meanwhile, far and away, the most important thing is to get as many people vaccinated as possible, in as little time as possible -- not just for their individual good, but also for the good of everyone around them.

Neither of us is yet 65, currently the age that conveys automatic eligibility in New York state, although Teresa will turn 65 before she gets her second shot. Both of us qualified due to what are ominously called "comorbidities", in my case the Type 2 diabetes that I was diagnosed with five years ago and which runs in generations of my mother's family. We have already taken damage from not having been able to get vaccinated earlier -- if we had been able to get our shots when the vaccines were first available, I would have been able to travel to Tucson to be with my mother in the wake of my father's death last month, and Teresa would have been able to attend her mother's memorial service yesterday.

#12 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 08:27 AM:

(I should note that my Little Rock, Arkansas example was entirely fanciful; I actually know nothing at all about the rules there regarding COVID-19 vaccine eligibility.)

#13 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 09:06 AM:

I managed to snag an appointment for next week, so I cancelled the April appointment. (I hope it made someone else as happy as getting it made me yesterday morning.)

I work in a public library; we've been open for browsing since October. We have a lot of precautions in place--mask mandate, time limits, plexiglass barriers--but it still makes me very nervous.

#14 ::: dcb ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 10:45 AM:

Very pleased to hear that our esteemed hosts have had their first COVID vaccinations.

And 'hear hear!' to making some light. (Thanks for the new Open Thread, Patrick)

Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little @9: sympathies. It's hard when you can't do your preferred form of exercise. I've been saying for the past year that I'll cope mentally until/unless they stop me going out to run (running on the treadmill is not the same). Thankfully, so far that's not happened, and we too are lucky enough to be able to work from home.

Our extant parents have had first vaccinations, which reduces the worry level a bit. We should be offered ours within the next 6 weeks, according to the UK timetable. Then of course we have to wait for the second dose and at least a couple of weeks after that for full effect, so we're not about to stop minimising being close to other people, particularly indoors. Looking forward to my running club rstarting to hold runs again in about 4 weeks and to my first in-person ultramarathon of the year a couple of weeks after that.

Keep on keeping safe, everyone, and here's to as many people as possible being vaccinated as soon as possible, worldwide.

#15 ::: stefan jones ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 11:14 AM:

Currently, Oregon has 45-65 year old folks getting theirs starting on June 1.

I'm fine with that. Get the older folks, teachers, and other school workers jabbed.

#16 ::: joann ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 11:17 AM:

Patrick #11:

Was the previous administration's decision to let the state governments deal with it all binding? (Lot of things I wasn't paying attention to when that happened, what with spousal surgery a week or two before ...) In the light of Gov. Abbott of Texas proclaiming total statewide pandemic anarchy as of next week (but allowing for individual businesses to require masks in an entirely unenforceable manner), I wonder if there shouldn't be a Presidential executive order saying, "Sorry, it's back to the Feds just now and we say be medically/scientifically appropriate."

Personally, I'm miffed as maggots just now. We got our first shots in mid-January (different manufacturers and providers); spouse got his second as soon as allowed; mine got delayed twice for snow and ice, but finally happened last Monday. We've both been feeling the thing Teresa mentioned in a tweet about finally feeling some hope. Until yesterday afternoon, when Abbott's completely egregious BS announcement happened.

It's worse than somebody's suggestion that it was like taking your shoes off for the final mile or so of a marathon; more like getting to the final mile and then they release the ravening lions. Or maybe you're fighting along in some battle, making good progress, and you stop shooting just because you can see the cavalry coming to the rescue--way off on the horizon--this does not, alas, mean that your enemy is going to take a breather.

#17 ::: Doug K ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 12:20 PM:

hooray for vaccines !

over at they are discussing how the German impf for vaccination is an exact cognate of English imp. Also, oaf and elf are the same word..

theoretically I am eligible as of Monday, CO is opening up for 60 and over. I'll have to start getting up early and surfing for appointments.

Nicole, I sympathize.. haven't been swimming indoors and not going to the gym, feels like old age and unfitness really caught up to me this past year.

My son is working at Mayo Clinic and got covid there, one week before his scheduled vaccination. Luckily it seems to have been a mild case and he's back at work and working out. He said the vaccine was worse than the disease. That is apparently common for young healthy people who already had covid, the shot then makes the immune system go a bit berserk.

#18 ::: Sumana Harihareswara ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 12:28 PM:

Folks who would like to exercise a little more frequently: I wrote up a post about three ways I'm able to work out in my apartment (I tried a lot of different things and this is what has worked for me). If you have the ability to do videocalls, and if you know at least one other people who wants to be less sedentary as well, the "1:1 or small group videocalls working out with a YouTube video" approach might be good to try; it has been really helpful for me.

#19 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 12:42 PM:

I was bringing up some music on Youtube for the start of my workday and what to my wondering eyes should appear but Sarah Palin shilling for some kind of investment scheme. The snippet I had to endure before I could click past it suggested that whatever she was selling was the cure for the economic woes of 2020. She was also dressed and staged in ways that suggested a person making a political speech on a stage: I guess that's her sales hook.

And to think I used to sorta kinda respect her.

#20 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 01:43 PM:

Doug K (17): Continually refreshing the vaccine appointment page is how I got (both of) mine. The necessary way to "refresh" the New York site is completely non-obvious, though. A coworker showed me how yesterday morning, and within about 15 minutes I had snagged a slot after trying unsuccessfully for days.

Good luck!

#21 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 01:50 PM:

I got my second shot last Saturday (mild fever and achiness -- much better than many, thankyouveddymuch!), an Karen gets hers on this coming Saturday -- we are remarkably grateful for this. I followed the spirit rather than the letter of the registration process -- I could have claimed health-care-worker status, but I haven't been seeing clients since last February. So I went by age-status. Hoping others can get the vaccine very soon -- the administration saying there will be enough shots by the end of May for all US adults doesn't mean they'll be properly distributed, and that's definitely going to be a slow-motion nightmare!

#22 ::: Diatryma ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 10:09 PM:

I really hope my mother's able to get the shot soon. I don't expect it necessarily, but oh, it would be good to be able to relax a little. Not a ton, not 'go lick strangers' or anything, but there's a grandkid, in-laws who aren't all that great at isolating but provide necessary childcare, us working with people, and also we're in Iowa, where things are not great. I'm just so ready to stop balancing risks.

I didn't mind my second-shot side effects, but they were short-lived, dramatic in the way fevers can be, and kinda novel. Good job, immune system. Plus, some of it can be passed to the very young kiddo, according to early science.

#23 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 11:11 PM:

Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little @9: sympathies on your changes; I was probably the last regular user of the local Y (it tried to stay open a little longer just for child care) and am Not Happy at the weight put on even with walking the local hills at the best speed I can manage. (I don't run -- none of the parts of the legs like it.) Having the nearest library close for renovations may have helped a tiny bit -- once outdoor pickups started I had to walk a bit further, and uphill -- but unless I can do something about the extra pounds I'm going to need to drop $$ on new formal pants whenever choral concerts start happening again, and I'm wondering what will happen on a ski slope or a ~ropes course.

Doug K @ 17: I wonder whether it's just young people? Given reports that the 2nd shot often gets a worse reaction than the 1st and that people who've had COVID may be OK with a single shot, I wonder whether everyone in that position should expect 2nd-shot effects.

Tom Whitmore @ 223::1029 : gah. Preview doesn't help if I don't actually think while I'm looking at it. (Following comment had the video link.)

#24 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: March 03, 2021, 11:30 PM:

Karen's having to travel after her second shot (to Florida) and I'm curious whether there's any indication of the long-haul effects being as stopped in their tracks as the severe disease by the vaccination. Since there are recent studies showing about 30% of the people who had even mild cases are showing some long-haul effects. Well, I suppose we'll find out.

#25 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 05:56 AM:

Tom, I cannot find it now, but I was reading something just the other day that said that there are early indications that, yes, the vaccines can be seriously beneficial to "long-haul" COVID sufferers.

#26 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 12:10 PM:

The Canadian government has just announced a change in policy: everyone will be able to get their first dose ASAP, and the second dose a few months later. This change will now have to trickle down through individual provinces' planning systems, to regions' health systems.

#27 ::: Xopher Halftongue ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 12:22 PM:

Patrick 25: Yes, I've been hearing that too, from experts on the Brian Lehrer show (I think).

I just heard yesterday that the J&J vaccine, which only protects 67% (IIRC) from COVID infection, is 100% effective in preventing hospitalization and death from COVID infection. Frankly, that's good enough for me.

But I'm going to get vaxed as soon as I can, with whatever vaccine is available.

#28 ::: Bill Stewart ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 12:46 PM:

Team Pfizer here (got my second shot last week.) I'd just turned 65, and my county opened up a big new injection site at the fairgrounds and was taking 65-and-ups, capable of 1000 a day, so my wife found me a slot. (She turns 65 later this year, so hasn't had hers yet.) First one hit me really hard, with a day of fever and exhaustion; second one didn't bother me much, though I still needed 12 hours sleep.

My mom also got her first shot (Moderna), so I'll be able to visit her this summer, and my sisters have both had it (teacher and healthcare).

It would have made more sense for them to get all the essential workers vaccinated before work-from-home 65s like me, because they're more likely to catch and transmit the plague, but they've now opened a few more big sites and are trying to do better outreach to the local Latino community.

#29 ::: Bill Stewart ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 12:47 PM:

And congratulations for having moved to NYC; looks like it worked for you!

#30 ::: stefan jones ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 01:15 PM:

My mother (84, Westchester county resident) will be getting her second jab on Saturday. My sister did a lot of calling last month, and found a local pharmacy with a supply. Her health system originally had her scheduled for a week from now.

* * *
I'm on Liz Danforth's Discord. Last spring she came home from a trip to Spain with COVID-19, one of the first cases in Arizona. She's largely recovered, and has been donating convalescent plasma. Apparently, people who have had the disease only need one dose. Having been infected is essentially the first dose.

#31 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 01:54 PM:

I had heard that Liz got it in the first wave. Thanks for letting me know she's recovered -- I just now realized, that's been an unclosed loop in my mind for nearly a year.

#32 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 03:37 PM:

I got my first shot (Pfizer) at Medgar Evers College on Saturday, qualifying on the basis of my weight. (Me: “Finally my fat ass is good for something!”) Some info for anyone else who lives in the right ZIP codes to qualify for that location:

  • The confirmation email I got had a Google Calendar appointment attached, with the location given as “Medgar Evers College, 231 Crown Street,” with the ZIP code and such, but when I clicked the link to load the address in Google Maps, it ignored the actual address in favor of just pointing me at the main Medgar Evers College administration building, which is a couple of blocks west of 231 Crown St. Try just typing in the address, without the name of the college.
  • No photography allowed!
  • It seems to be run by the US Air Force. The guy to whom I showed my ID upon entering (yeah, you’ll need to bring ID) was wearing a USAF uniform, but had a Space Force patch on his arm. “Are you Air Force or Space Force?” I asked. “Air Force, but showing support for Space Force,” he replied.
  • The lines looked long, but it moved pretty quickly.
  • I saw people there in wheelchairs; the location is wheelchair-accessible. I also saw someone standing on line with a folding chair; a staffer asked him if he wanted someone to hold his place in line while he sat somewhere else. He turned down the offer, but if you’ve got limited mobility, it seems likely that things are set up to accommodate you.
  • I had to present the forms I’d printed out at home, but I don’t think I had to fill out any other forms. Maybe I had to sign something? I didn’t have to provide any sort of documentation of my co-morbidity.
  • The medical technician had me look over the answers I’d given to a bunch of medical questions when I’d originally made the reservation — like, had I had any other vaccinations in the past 14 days, did I currently have COVID symptoms, etc — and verify that nothing had changed.

#33 ::: stefan jones ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 09:00 PM:

@Patrick #31: Liz just posted to her Patreon; lungs clear, slowly getting more energy, but still wondering about long-term effects.

(Two old Flying Buffalo alumni, Steve Crompton and Mike Stackpole, lost parents to COVID. Wretched year.)

#34 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 04, 2021, 10:40 PM:

Xopher @ 27: it has also been noted in multiple forums that the J&J vaccine was tested under more difficult circumstances, e.g. in areas where more-infectious versions of the virus had gotten around, so it's not clear how much less effective J&J is in the current world. (I've also read that it produced a similar reduction in cases severe enough to require hospitalization.) I'm still trying to get an appointment; this week's excuses for the shortage were an unexplained reduction in shipment size and the number of people needing second shots. Ghu, I hope some Democrat is good enough to kick Baker's charlie ass back into the private world; right now the big difference between him and Louis DeJoy seems to be that Baker is merely incompetent rather than outright malicious.

Speaking of J&J, it's been the subject of a Twitter storm: Epidemiologist’s tweet about Johnson & Johnson vaccine sets off a ‘pun party’. Tweet thread here in case the story is paywalled; since it starts with an observation that the J&J results graph is shaped like a johnson a lot of the comments are sophomoric or worse, but sometimes even low humor can be a balm.

#35 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 05:55 AM:

Avram -- Just to clarify, the Medgar Evers mass vaccination site is now open to all residents of Brooklyn, not just people in certain zip codes.

#36 ::: Cassy B. ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 09:38 AM:

I'd mentioned my husband got jabbed after having had COVID; what I didn't say was that he had a bad reaction to it. I didn't want to scare people off from getting jabbed. I should have known better; you guys are Fluorospherians....

He got jabbed with the first shot on a Friday; he basically had the flu (fever, exhaustion) for three days. Bad enough he took the following Monday off.

Still worth it.

His sister, a nurse who works the COVID floor on rotation at a major hospital, tells him that it's very, very typical for people who have had COVID to have a bad reaction on their first shot; the second shot is typically a piece of cake for them. And she speculates that those people who have a bad reaction to the shot who did not previously contract COVID... actually had it, non-symptomatically.

He's due for his second shot next week.

#37 ::: OtterB ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 10:41 AM:

My husband got his second shot a couple of weeks ago; he is 65, which made him eligible, and had been volunteering at one of the local hospitals before the pandemic, which let him schedule through them even though his volunteer gig is still suspended.

My younger daughter has intellectual disabilities, which makes her eligible in our state. I am 63 with diabetes and obesity, but not yet eligible on that account. I took her for her first shot last week - appointment at a clinic run by a sister organization to the one she gets employment support through. She was near the end of the day and they started a waitlist in case of leftover doses, and so I got my first shot as well. (So did the guy who had brought his mom for her shot, and his wife who had been waiting in the car. Pleased for them too.)

I drove home feeling like a weight had been lifted. Not just the concern for getting a shot, since it seemed clear that would happen before too much longer, but the hassle of trying to figure out how/when to get one.

We get our followup on March 27. My plan had been to wait until at least two weeks after that before I did anything we hadn't been doing, but I think I'm going to make an exception for the Easter Vigil (masked, distanced) one week after the second shot. That will be my first in-person church in over a year. And I will be grateful.

I may have my daughter start taking public transit home from work in late April or early May. She works on a cleaning crew for the public library and they went back to work in the summer when the library staff did. It's all still curbside pickup in our county, no public in the building, but they're doing extra sanitizing for the staff.

It's good to hear about other people getting vaccinated too.

#38 ::: John A Arkansawyer ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 12:17 PM:

PNH@11.5±.5: "(I should note that my Little Rock, Arkansas example was entirely fanciful; I actually know nothing at all about the rules there regarding COVID-19 vaccine eligibility.)"

Oh, how I wish I could say that!

Several acquaintances in the 65-75 range have their shots delayed because our governor decided not to follow CDC guidelines on that age range, while I just got my second, as a supposedly essential worker with an apparent complicating condition. I asked the folks at HR to look my stuff over a second time, to make sure I wasn't line-jumping. It still felt weird to get that shot. I took it all the same.

#39 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 01:42 PM:

Teresa definitely had some difficult reactions to her initial Moderna shot, which was this past Monday; she's really only back to normal today.

As Casey B. says above, there's some evidence that people who already had COVID-19 tend to have strong reactions to their first shot, rather than (like most people) to their second. So Teresa's reaction adds more evidence to our suspicion that we both had a mild case early in the pandemic -- we were basically flattened for a couple of weeks in March and April, constantly running fevers, but none of the more lurid symptoms. (We already had a pulse oximeter, and used it constantly.) Our GP, with whom we videoconferenced while this was going on (and whose subspecialty is epidemiology), felt that it was more likely than not that we had it.

On the other hand, I had basically no reaction to my initial Pfizer shot on Tuesday, aside from a barely-noticeable soreness in my left arm. And when we got ourselves tested in July, T opted to test for antibodies as well, and that test came back negative. Of course, that was over three months after the mystery two-week illness. And the antibody tests are notoriously indeterminate. So go figure. We'll likely never know.

#40 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 07:43 PM:

I had what I am convinced was COVID in early July; most of my doctors agree. The PCR test was negative, but that has a 20+% false negative rate. When I was tested for antibodies six weeks later, that was negative, too--but they don't always last very long.

Why am I so convinced it was COVID? Because I partially lost my sense of taste for a month. It was weird: I could taste basic things like bread and meat, but seasonings and spices were just gone. The day I first noticed, I had barbecued ribs for dinner. They smelled great, but they tasted like they didn't have any sauce on them. And onions didn't taste sharp (I love the sharpness of onions), they just tasted faintly green.

Since then, my tastebuds sort of fade in and out unpredictably. Sometimes I can't taste spiciness at all, or just barely, other times it comes through just fine.

Other than that, I had typical cold symptoms for about a week and extreme fatigue lasting for another week or so beyond that.

#41 ::: Mary Aileen is visiting the gnomes ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 07:44 PM:

My long post about COVID symptoms has been held for review.

I could share some Reese's cups with the gnomes?

#42 ::: Singing Wren ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 10:01 PM:

Interesting to hear about people’s reactions to the shots. My parents had COVID back in November, and were fine after their first shots (Pfizer), but hit hard by their second. Meanwhile, my uncle got hit hard by his first shot (Moderna) but was fine after his second. He hasn’t mentioned having had COVID during any of the family Zoom calls.

I’m still trying to figure out if I qualify under the employment rules for group 1c in my state. As I’m interpreting the rules, employees of my company’s parent company who have certain specific roles (listed on the state website) are eligible, but the rest of us are not. But if I find documentation that says any employee of a company in this industry is eligible, I’m signing up. (Apologies for the vagueness - I’m a software developer, and the market I’m in is niche enough that even this might be enough to identify my employer if you’re familiar with that sector.)

#43 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 05, 2021, 10:02 PM:

I'm VERY happy because a good friend who is in several high-risk categories is going in for the J&J single-dose shot tomorrow. Which she told in order to contextualize her "maybe" when I asked her whether she might be up for a bit of outdoor skating this weekend--she very wisely said she didn't want to commit to any physical activity while she didn't know how her body would react. I'll report back on how it goes for her, if she's OK with my sharing.

League workout kicked my butt again yesterday, but my butt was already pre-kicked by overdoing Wednesday afternoon's skating session. The small FB group that has been arranging such outings had this one at a cement pad close enough to my house that I decided to skate there and back too, which on reflection was probably a little much. (Some people in that group have been getting vaccinated too! Squee!)

#44 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 05:23 AM:

Sorry about our mysteriously-aggressive comment filters, Mary Aileen. Published your comment.

#45 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 10:23 AM:

Further discussion of relative efficacies, from NPR.

Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little @ 43: it's hard to know what is overdoing after a layoff without trying. A friend thought if one set of rehab exercises (after hip replacement) were good, two would be better -- and woke up very unhappily the next morning; I was extremely conservative last Fall after the Y fractionally reopened, restarting slow weights with 6 reps (had been doing 11) -- and found some muscles had weakened much more than others. Cheers for at least getting out; Boston finally warmed up enough last week that I could do archery without my fingers going numb.

#46 ::: Tony Zbaraschuk ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 10:30 AM:

Got my first jab last week here in Texas (Moderna). Sore arm for a few days. Then an upset stomach, but that was probably from the grandkids.

I am still in regular amazement over how fast multiple vaccines have been developed and deployed.

#47 ::: Magenta Griffith ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 11:57 AM:

I will get my second shot this evening at the Minneapolis Convention Center; huge building, and since they can't have conventions, it's being used for testing and vaccinations. I'm very hopeful today, mostly because of the shot. Also when I got the first shot, the high that day was -1 degrees and the low was -16. The high today will be 50 degrees.

#48 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 12:03 PM:

A friend in upstate NY had something like a cold that killed her sense of taste, last spring. She's sure it was the virus, but that was when you couldn't get tested easily.

#49 ::: Steve Wright ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 02:12 PM:

It's a week since I had my first (AstraZeneca) jab... it knocked me flat for a couple of days, and the injection site is still a little tender. But that's life, innit?

Since the process is being handled by the NHS in the Uk (and not farmed out to private companies owned by Tory donors), it was all pretty straighforward - my local surgery sent me a text message saying the shot was available, I phoned them up for an appointment, I turned up on the day, no problem. The jab was actually given by my mother's GP, who counts as an old friend of the family by now... she's lost at least a stone in weight since all this started, though. I know the NHS staff have been working to the limits since the pandemic hit, but the sight of her really did bring that home....

#50 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 03:11 PM:

Patrick (44): Thanks.

#51 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 03:23 PM:

CHip @45 - The problem with skating on my own, outside or at a rink or whatever, is I just enjoy it far too much. Like biking. I can go and go and go forEVer and not realize what a world of hurt I'm going to be in until I finally stop.

Whereas skating during formal practice has me watching the clock WAITING for it to be over, because the coaches are pushing me in a way I wouldn't have chosen to on my own. Which somehow only leaves me moderately sore the next day, and does good things for my endurance in general so that I can do longer sessions of skating on my own time without booby-trapping myself. Best of both worlds. ARGH I miss derby.

Probably heading back to the same concrete pad today (with or without my friend, depending on her vaccine reaction), but by car, so that I can listen to tunes out the rear hatch the way the neighbor kid and I used to do during high school, and also not wear myself out with the commute.

#52 ::: Rob Rusick ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 08:31 PM:

Mary Aileen @20: The necessary way to "refresh" the New York site is completely non-obvious, though. A coworker showed me how yesterday morning, and within about 15 minutes I had snagged a slot after trying unsuccessfully for days.

The NYS site I'm looking at has an 'Update' button — which looks obvious. What's the non-obvious way of refreshing (if we're talking about the same website)?

#53 ::: Rob Rusick ::: (view all by) ::: March 06, 2021, 08:37 PM:

I copied the link from a tab I had open, but the link itself took me to a 'See if you may be Eligible to Receive the COVID-19 Vaccine'.

The 'Update' button is on a 'Locate Providers' page which I got to from that page, and shows the same URL.

#54 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 07, 2021, 11:45 AM:

Rob Rusick (52): The Update button will not get you where you need to be. Neither will refreshing the page. What you need to do is fill out the preliminary information, choose a site, and click on the link to register, which brings up a new tab. When there is nothing available (or someone else clicks faster and grabs the appointment out from under you), close the tab and click the link again. If you try to refresh the registration tab, it takes you back to the very beginning. I'm not sure what the Update button does, but it doesn't help.

I had been trying for weeks to get an appointment. Once a coworker showed me this method, I had one in ten minutes.

#55 ::: Angiportus Librarysaver ::: (view all by) ::: March 08, 2021, 05:18 PM:

My story was similar to many of yours--waiting, confusion, and then, done. I've got 1 more to go. But I had some more stuff to deal with while waiting. Surviving parent, handing me a homemade useful item last fall, snuck into the middle of it a newspaper article on how vaccines are less effective for fat people, how being fat is a bad factor for medical treatments. This despite being informed earlier by me that recent science shows that diets and so on don't work. Asked later if I had read that, I replied, "Yes, and it was like finding a piece of glass in a piece of cake." I don't recall the full conversation that ensued but I pointed out that in today's culture, being female or nonwhite or several other unchosen qualities also leads to worse outcomes, and they can't be helped either, and we went around and around for a short while but I said whatever it was I said to cause the offender to shut up...for now, without the use of bad words or ad hominems.
This is someone who I usually have a lot of faith in and we are quite close. But there is foulness below decks in this family that was described elsewhere on the dysfunctional family threads, and it keeps floating up in the bowl every so often no matter how good of a flush job I think I've done. I sometimes think the reason some people have kids is to distract them from their own flaws, real or bogus, to have someone smaller than them to project crap on. Worried about anything? Find something wrong with the kid. Reason 65,536 not to breed.
For the record, the medical personnel of all levels that I have met in the past few years have been polite and helpful.
I hope everyone gets their shots soon so we can have the libraries open again.

#56 ::: Bill Stewart ::: (view all by) ::: March 08, 2021, 05:54 PM:

joann@16 - The vaccines do two things
- Make it much less likely that you'll get sick if exposed, and especially unlikely that you'll get badly sick if sick.
- Cut down on transmission through the population, so fewer people are exposed, R-values go down, outbreaks fizzle out, and then FAR fewer people are exposed.

Gov. Abbott is apparently unconcerned with the latter, and as 23&Me says I am 3.3% Neandertal, rather higher than the average person of Western European ancestry, I can tell him to go back in his cave.

#57 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 08, 2021, 06:24 PM:

Everyone in this comment thread and everyone reading this, and everyone all these people know, and every citizen of every country any and all of these people are citizens of, are direct descendants of Neanderthals. By which I mean, everyone on the planet.

Because the most recent common ancestor of everyone alive on planet Earth today almost certainly did not live significantly earlier than 3500 years ago.

Yes, including the most isolated populations you can possibly imagine.

Yes, them too.

Really, I have got to write an ML front-page post about this.

#58 ::: Lucy Kemnitzer ::: (view all by) ::: March 08, 2021, 06:28 PM:

No vaccines available in Santa Cruz, no guesses on when they will be available. I believe it's because all the vaccines we're getting are going to vulnerable communities and frontline essential workers, so I'm not grumbling. Wistful whimpering now & then, yes. Daydreaming what I'll do when I've had my shots, yes.

#59 ::: Jacque ::: (view all by) ::: March 08, 2021, 07:32 PM:

Patrick Nielsen Hayden @57: Really, I have got to write an ML front-page post about this.

::chinhands:: Yes, please!

#60 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 09, 2021, 01:55 PM:

Norton Juster, who wrote "The Phantom Tollbooth", has died at 91.

#61 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: March 09, 2021, 05:24 PM:

He didn't write much, but what he did was cherce. I love both The Phantom Tollbooth and The Dot and the Line.

#62 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: March 09, 2021, 05:35 PM:

I just put up a sidelight about Norman Juster. The Phantom Tollbooth was huge for me and my younger brother Benjamin alike. Benjamin named his eldest son Milo, and Milo, who is now like 30 or something, is evidently quite okay with the origin of his given name.

(I suppose he could have an interesting conversation with Avram Davidson's son Frodo...)

#63 ::: Bill Stewart ::: (view all by) ::: March 09, 2021, 07:37 PM:

I really don't remember anything specific about The Phantom Tollbooth, other than visual memories of what the book looked like and the name Milo and I think there was a big dog, but what I don't remember, I remember extremely positively.

#64 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 09, 2021, 10:02 PM:

And Roger Mudd has died, at 93 (!)

#65 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 09, 2021, 10:05 PM:

Adding here that the websites telling me where I might get it frequently use straight-line distances. (Magic Mountain may be 11 miles as the crows fly, but it's about twice that by road: you have to go east to the pass, then northwest to the place. It's odd looking up at a ridge and seeing something that you normally see from the other side, and knowing that you've got at least another 40 minutes to go.)

#66 ::: thomas ::: (view all by) ::: March 10, 2021, 12:41 AM:

As the Aeslin mice might say about mRNA vaccines
Hail the Jab! Hail the Very Long Four Letter Word!

There was an announcement yesterday that New Zealand has ordered enough of the Pfizer vaccine for everyone, now there's better evidence on the reduction in transmission.

#67 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 11, 2021, 10:53 PM:

Mary Aileen vs the gnomes: what kind of Reese's? There was a story a week or so ago that Reese has produced a cup with no chocolate at all -- just ?sugar?-hardened peanut butter for the shell.

UNHAPPY ANNIVERSARY: according to NPR (heard this morning), today is the first anniversary of W.H.O. finally waking up enough to declare a pandemic. It's also the anniversary of a venue that I was about to do a concert in declaring that it was closed for the foreseeable future -- hardly surprising, as the BioGen idiots had already broadcast the virus around greater Boston (a couple I know had had to go into quarantine at least a week before because he was a contact of a known case), but the first we-really-mean-this to hit me personally. 5 days later I was possibly the last regular user of the local Y (it tried to stay open for child care), and 6 days later the libraries closed and I started investigating ebook readers. (How very retro that seems....) What was everyone else doing, or having done to them, on that day, and what was the first personal impact? I certainly am in no position to complain -- the only vaguely personal losses I can think of are distant connections of my partner's -- but I've been reading the NYT collection of my-first-impact stories and wondering whether somewhere T. S. Eliot is snickering.

#68 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: March 11, 2021, 11:03 PM:

I had two major massage venues I worked with at the start of last year: a chiropractor with an internationally-traveling tech-based clientele, and the Ballard Senior Center. I decided in February 2020 that there was just too much potential for cross-contamination with those two client bases, and stopped working with both in early February. The writing on the wall was clear to me at that point. I'm sorry I was so right.

#69 ::: OtterB ::: (view all by) ::: March 12, 2021, 09:13 AM:

I just commented about this over on Scalzi's Whatever.

I date my plague year to March 12 when the Sweet Adelines International organization canceled their regional women's barbershop competitions for spring 2020, and my chorus canceled rehearsals for the next two weeks "at least." Hah. That was before we knew that indoor singing in groups was a very high risk activity. My chorus's last in-person rehearsal was on March 10, 2020. That's the same rehearsal date as the choir in Washington State that ended up with over half the choir infected and two deaths. We were lucky.

My office went 100% remote at the end of January 2020 for a major renovation of our space. We didn't expect it to last this long but at least we all had everything we needed at home and didn't have to scramble with no notice.

My daughter was hospitalized in late February 2020 with pneumonia. Later antibody testing tells us that it was probably not an early case of COVID. We'd wondered. I sat in her hospital room (where I was allowed to be, with no masks etc. required) scrolling spreading plague news on my phone. It was rather surreal.

#70 ::: OtterB paging the gnomes ::: (view all by) ::: March 12, 2021, 09:17 AM:

My previous comment is being held in the glass and steel tower. Would the gnomes like some pretzels?

A similar comment was held for moderation at Scalzi's Whatever, so it's probably got an inadvertent Word of Power in it.

#71 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 12, 2021, 07:13 PM:

March 12, 2020, was the second day that my library changed the rules--again--on how many people could be in the library at a time and how long they could stay. Museums and other venues in the region were announcing closings.

It was the Friday of that week, March 13, where we suddenly went from making plans for low-contact/no-contact checkout to "we're closing completely at the end of today." It was initially announced for a week. I knew it would be longer, because the other libraries in the area were all saying either "two weeks" or "until the end of March." But I had no idea *how* long it would be!

#72 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 12, 2021, 10:27 PM:

I don't remember the exact date I was first impacted. It was in late March that I took my second monitor home from the office and started working from home full time. My mother and nephew had been scheduled to come visit Texas in early April, and they cancelled the trip — in retrospect really the only possible choice, but at the time I remember hoping it might still happen.

For quite a while my local upscale market had sharply reduced hours, and a long line to get in. Neither of those have been the case for a while, but they do still have hand sanitizer dispensers at all entrances, social distancing markers on the floor, and a mask mandate (even though our abjectly stupid governor has lifted mask requirements from the state — good for them).

#73 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 12, 2021, 10:44 PM:

I don't have the exact date memorized, though I could find it easily if I needed to: There was a week in March 2020 when I stayed at a bed and breakfast in Berthoud, CO to get out of the house while the spouse was hosting his annual private gaming mini-con (and quite a few of his guests had quite reasonably canceled by then). That week, that Thursday, I made the hour(ish) drive to Brighton for roller derby scrimmage at the Wagon Wheel skating rink, like I did every week, and I was listening to short story podcasts in advance of Nebula voting. I recall that, on my drive there, I was listening to “Give the Family My Love” by A.T. Greenblatt, and contemplating explaining to my team why I looked like I'd been crying my eyes out.

I arrived to an empty parking lot and the realization I'd neglected to check the league InstaTeam board for any last-minute news. I brought my laptop over to the spot where I could pick up somebody's unlocked xfinitiwifi network, and I found the announcement that, out of an abundance of caution, league scrimmages and practices were canceled until at least July.

(Of course they have been canceled ever since, though for a while, late summer, when numbers were going down for a bit, we had some optimistic outdoor drop-in newbie practices. With masks on, of course. Most of us, anyway.)

So I did what any really stupid person denied her one social outlet of the week would do: I drove back to Berthoud, had a beer at a local microbrewery, then followed some of the patrons down the street to another bar for karaoke.

I will confess that this was only my first karaoke outing that weekend. The next night I went to another. At the time I thought it endearing that the KJ was wiping down the microphone after every singer. I even had the wherewithal that weekend to put up, with more good humor than I usually do because BOUNDARIES AND CONSENT MATTER DAMMIT, with nonconsensual hugs from drunken bar-goers congratulating me on "killing it" after I sang. Yeah. That's how smart I was.

I think the only reason I didn't catch the virus was, I was in a tiny, tiny town that, despite calling itself The Garden Spot of Colorado, isn't exactly the first place tourists think to go in CO, or at least not in March. Most mornings I was the only one at breakfast in that B&B. Imagine if I'd been in Vail instead!

Back in Boulder on Monday, the spouse and I, acknowledging the high-risk ways we'd spent our time apart, quarantined from each other as much as we could in a 2-bed 2-bath 1-kitchen condo unit for the next two weeks. Neither of us developed symptoms, then or since. Thank goodness.

And so I guess that's my "how it started" pandemic anniversary post.

#74 ::: Diatryma ::: (view all by) ::: March 12, 2021, 11:03 PM:

My pandemic has been atypical for the people I know socially: in a two-week period, I gave notice for a job I hated, fell into a COVID-support position at the hospital (same department, different people, so much better), conceived a child, and also the pandemic moved from 'watching the cat's posture change a bit, ummm' to 'oh no the barf meow'. I didn't stop going to work except for parental leave, nor did my excellent spousebeast (both at the hospital). I switched to overnight shifts partway through the summer, I had the whole pregnancy thing happening with concomitant anxiety, everything sort of piled on top of itself in term of effects so I never felt like it was just pandemic or just overnights, but also never felt like it was any of those at all, if that makes any sort of sense? My life improved markedly in almost every way from Oh No Barf Meow week, partly because the job I quit was so dramatically bad for me. I was more stressed, but that was pregnancy and worry that ____*. I completely lost any structure my weekends had, but then, I was on overnights, wasn't I. I put on a bridesmaid's dress and saw a Zoom wedding; I put on a face shield and went to a friend's in-person one. A few relatives have had COVID. No one's been hospitalized that I know of. People connected to friends have been, but among my own, the emotional damage has been worse than the illness.

*I can't come up with a way to say it here exactly. This isn't that conversation. It sucked.

I find that I am not hitting a wall but heading uphill in terms of emotions and resilience. I am so tired of wearing a mask. I am tired of performing okay with it because it's necessary and why complain. I am tired of wondering which businesses will still be there when I go downtown again someday, and tired of the guilt that clearly I just didn't support them well enough. I want a big dramatic Now This Is Over moment the same way we had a big dramatic Oh No Barf Meow moment, something like after the rain stops and everyone wanders around looking at storm damage and saying hi as they pass. We're not going to get it, but it would feel finished.

#75 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 12, 2021, 11:18 PM:

A few weeks ago, in a dream, having an "oh no, I'm not wearing a mask" moment. It was kind of odd; it's the only time that's happened.

#76 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: March 13, 2021, 12:44 AM:

One of my children had a birthday on March 13 that was the last normal-seeming event here before everything closed. Not long after that I was told, at work, that I wasn't coming back in the morning. I didn't go back for six weeks. I was much luckier than most: my employer covered everybody's paycheck even before government money was available for that.

The children being home was not onerous, but it was ironic. This was the school year in which all of them had chosen to move from homeschool to in-facility school, and yet, here they were again.

#77 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: March 13, 2021, 12:10 PM:

Nice to see you back. And congratulations on getting your first shots. I am getting my second tomorrow (apparently age is good for something) and I'm feeling ridiculously excited about it. The possibility of seeing/hugging my kids looms before me (I haven't seen the elder in well over a year).

Tomorrow is also Pi day. Danny has requested a pumpkin pie, which I am making tonight (in case the shot knocks me out). Happy 3.14159265359etc.

#78 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 13, 2021, 05:48 PM:

Diatryma @ 73: I want a big dramatic Now This Is Over moment Older fans may recognize my periodic fantasy: the moment when a guest on a podium ceremonially cuts off their mask and everyone follows amid cheers, as we all cut off our hospital bracelets at MidAmericon. Then I think easing into normality will be better, both to match the beginning (drips snowballing, like the garbage cans in What's Up Doc) and because I think it will be safer and smoother. Maybe a recognition ceremony, e.g. a Medal of Freedom for Fauci?

#79 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 13, 2021, 06:01 PM:

Oh, and Massachusetts has stopped dealing with some pissant software developer and gotten a Google queueing package that has already survived high loads in several states. I haven't seen reports of whether it can pop as well as push, and it only handles the state sites so I'm still going to heed a privately-written program that monitors CVS, but I'm register and so can hope that even if I don't crouch over a hot monitor at oh-dark-hundred repeatedly I won't be swept away when the state thinks it's done with my priority group (no comorbidities and no key occupation, but over 65) and opens to everyone. It's even possible some of my partner's family will be able to gather for my mother-in-law's 85th birthday 2.5 months from now -- no small blessing as she's been alone over 4 years.

#80 ::: Singing Wren ::: (view all by) ::: March 13, 2021, 07:23 PM:

My great-aunt passed away on New Year’s Day, 2020, at the age of 103. The family gathered in our hometown for her burial, and a couple of the second cousins (her grandchildren and great nieces and great nephews, all adults now) decided we needed to plan our own gathering, apart from parents and grandparents. We tentatively settled on going to San Diego (where the youngest of the second cousins live), and agreed to plan further at my grandma’s 100th birthday party in May.

In February I got a work issued laptop, replacing my previous desktop. This was useful the first week of March, when I caught my annual spring cold and was able to work from home while I recovered. Up until Friday at lunchtime, I planned to be back in the office the next week. That was when management announced we'd primarily be working from home for the next two weeks. So I went in that afternoon to get my external monitors and my docking station. After the first two weeks of that, the few people remaining in the office were sent home as well.

We still celebrated Grandma’s 100th birthday, but it was nothing like we’d originally planned. The local relatives wore masks and stood around the parking lot of her assisted living community, and an aide brought Grandma out in her wheelchair. One family at a time went to wish her a happy birthday. Some of the out of town relatives made FaceTime calls to my phone, so I was back and forth a lot so she could see them.

My dad was scheduled to have surgery right before Thanksgiving, so we made plans to celebrate separately. Mom thought this was overkill, but then Dad’s pre-surgery COVID test came back positive. He never had any symptoms, but Mom had the now-classic loss of smell and discovered how much of her cooking technique relies on smelling when things are ready. (The surgery got rescheduled for December and went fine.)

I’ve attended two baby showers and three major holiday gatherings over Zoom since this all started, and watched two live-streamed funerals. I’m currently hoping to be vaccinated in time to attend the burial for the second (late April), and the baptism of my brother’s first child (due this month). We'll see what actually happens.

It’s been a weird year.

#81 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 13, 2021, 08:16 PM:

My father-in-law died in early January of last year, and there was no gathering for him for quite a while...and then my brother-in-law wanted to delay it because he was busy covering the primary season...and then a gathering became impossible. Maybe we'll finally get around to having one this summer. And then maybe a wake for my birth mother's husband in the autumn.

#82 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 14, 2021, 09:28 AM:

All my sympathies to the people who haven't been able to say goodbye, or to observe major anniversaries/rites. So far I've been lucky: the only thing I've missed is the marriage of mother-in-law's youngest grandchild (of four) to his long-time girlfriend -- and all that was missed was the party (which we hoped will happen next Fall) as they did a socially-distanced legal form last May. The MiL got her first shot recently and has been ~Zooming with her first great-grandchild (with another to come), so we have hopes she'll survive this.

wrt capacity-control lines: I've seen people with tablets or phones doing what I think is the clicker thing at supermarket entrances, but it has been many months since I've seen an actual line of people waiting for permission to come in -- except at a local Trader Joe's. I wouldn't have thought they did that much more business per area than other stores, but don't know what their actual limits are; the store is on the ground floor of a substantial new apartment building, so people may have reverted to smaller pickups rather than one big load every week or more. (One of the other grocery stores I shop at actually shut down its N-items-or-fewer checkouts for a time; I don't know whether they found nobody was using them or were trying to actively discourage small purchases.)

On a happier date note: NPR reminds us that 50 years ago last Monday, a group of true patriots broke into an FBI office, lifting documents that exposed COINTELPRO, leading (after too long a delay) to the Church Committee and the beginning of constraints on central law enforcement. May we never see Hoover's like again.

And an amusing counterfactual (one of a handful in Craig Brown's 150 Glimpses of the Beatles, which is interesting (at least to my age) in short doses): if Paul McCartney had actually studied instead of relying on school being easy for him (which it generally was) he would have passed an exam and gotten moved up a class, and never have been willing to socialize with George Harrison (a year younger), who he introduced (says this book) to the Quarrymen.

#83 ::: joann ::: (view all by) ::: March 14, 2021, 11:34 AM:

March 13 was the day when my husband's lung surgeon cleared him to go back to "normal life". Well, we all know how normal *that* got.

We'd basically been semi-quarantining already since late January because of the flurry of tests, biopsy, and all the other appointments that go with suddenly discovering that something that hadn't been there now was.

Our last fun thing out together was dinner a night or two before the surgery.

I last socialized (lunch outside with friend) at the end of February. She runs a medical non-profit, so she was pretty clear on what was coming--she thought. Not so much in practice.

Since then, weekly grocery trips, several trips to Home Despot, about the usual level of takeout, many doctor's appointments for him (and a couple for me), and a weekly Sunday drive, object get the hell out of Dodge for a few hours. Not quite as many walks around the neighborhood as my body really needs.

Husband had already been planning to take all of March off from his part-time university job, and then maybe work from home for a bit, so dragged his work computer home and generally cleaned out his office before the surgery. He's been back only once since, to kick some ailing piece of network equipment into submission.

Now that I'm three weeks past my second shot, I plan to visit a bookstore for the first time in over a year. Last week, I rewarded myself for a medical thing by collecting a latte (and assorted baked goods) from a favorite coffeehouse and consuming them at my desk.

Sometime, the small chorus I direct will all be able to rehearse together safely indoors, but it will take time--more than half the members moved to this new urbanist "paradise" to be close to the grandkids.

#84 ::: David Dyer-Bennet ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 01:26 AM:

Got the J&J version a week ago (3/5); the arrival of J&J opened up a lot more appointments here in Minnesota, and I got notification email from the state's vaccine finder website, and was able to follow it up fast enough to get an appointment in just 2 days. I'm eligible in the local hierarchy based on sheer raw age.

This one had Army Reserve people doing all the line and traffic control. They seemed to be doing a great job, and I didn't see anybody try to object to the second masks they were handing out and telling people to put on, either.

The J&J was a less-preferred shot for me, but "whatever is available" was a highly-preferred shot. Looking into it some more once I knew I was getting it—the things that make the J&J look less good (at least to my eye) are mostly due to its being newer. Because, when it was being tested, the more transmissible variants were in the population. So a vaccine tested then is pretty inevitably going to look less good compared to one tested against just the older variants.

In the long run, I rather expect I'll need multiple vaccinations over months or years before we're anything like back to normal, and it might well become something like the yearly flu shot regimen. Which makes the initial vaccine less important, again.

So now that vaccination is real, Pamela and I and others are trying to figure out how much we're willing to open up any time soon. So far...not at all (I've got a week to go until I have much protection, and I'm the first on that since the J&J is faster that way). I think we might accept small social gatherings with other vaccinated people like sweeties we don't live with, when any of them are also vaccinated (this was not one of the issues with younger sweeties that had occurred to me!). Might pay some attention to CDC advice, depending on how good their arguments look (going to be less open than they advise, if we're not conforming).

This is over a year of vastly reduced in-person meetups. I feel like much of that year was wasted time (and wasted lives as people died of COVID) because of not merely incompetent but actively evil leadership. Not even only in the USA. And my big fear right now is that vaccinated people will rush out to start catching up and create a new big spike in infections. The win condition here is to reduce the pool of infections, darn it!

#85 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 12:05 PM:

And my big fear right now is that vaccinated people will rush out to start catching up and create a new big spike in infections. The science is still out on an aspect of this, and I haven't even heard of large-scale investigations as to whether or not a vaccinated person can catch enough of a case to become infectious -- some qualified-seeming people saying this is ridiculous while others point to a plausible mechanism. News this morning is a report concluding that 3 feet is enough separation between children in school, based on observation but with no clear explanation (in the mundane news) why it should be so. (There are still arguments about how susceptible children are to (a) catching COVID-19 at all, and (b) transmitting it.) We will watch, and maybe learn.

an addendum to my comment about Hoover: last night we watched a PBS special about Elizabeth Smith Friedman, who did a lot of the theoretical work that led to WWII codebreaking, and I was reminded that Hoover seriously set back the work to mop up Nazi spying in South America by jumping on the network prematurely. (For details, see Liza Mundy's The Code Girls.) The glory-grabbing afterward was expectable but the sheer stupidity was not.

#86 ::: Mary Frances ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 01:19 PM:

You have no idea how excited I was to see this thread, and how delighted I am to read about all the people being vaccinated. I'm just thrilled. I got my first shot (Pfizer) two weeks ago, and am waiting for my second--Illinois seems to have gotten its delivery system revved up and ready--and it's genuinely lovely to read about how many people are being protected. Thank you. May the trend continue.

#87 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 02:01 PM:

Just saw this twitter thread (with link to report) about asymptomatic transmission post vaccination. TL;DR - at least with Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, initial studies show the chance of asymp. trans. is much reduced.

Had to reschedule my annual physical due to weather. Oodles of snow got dumped on Colorado over the weekend, and transportation is still iffy, so the hospital and related facilities are closed today. Upshot is, my new date is after the date when Colorado's 1.B4 vaccine phase starts (March 19, with availability to all adults "mid-April"), so I've messaged my GP asking about whether we can do that during my appointment too.

#88 ::: Russell Letson ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 03:16 PM:

Thanks to a fortunate alignment of conditions (eagle-eyed friends, living in a distribution-hub town, being Old and patients of a pretty well-organized medical outfit), we are fully Pzizer'd and, three weeks on, theoretically as plague-proof as is possible to be. We even had our first in-person social interaction (with aforementioned Old & immunized eagle-eyed friends) in a year--pie on pi day. I'd almost forgotten what normal socializing is like.

We are cheered every time we hear of those who manage to get jabbed (and chagrined at how slow the going seems to be in many places). We, like OtterB, felt the lifting of a weight, even though we realize that it has merely shifted.

What's just as distressing is the range vaccination-resistant thinking all around, even when it falls short of Plandemic-style delusion. Partly because I had the time on my hands and partly because it's what I learned to do as a feature writer, I spent a lot of time following the research, the reports, the speculations, and the model-making, so I had an idea of where I was paying my money and taking my chances. It's a puzzlement how much strange ideation goes on. I have on-line friends and acquaintances who, faced with ambiguity or conflicting possibilities, opt for certainty of the wrong kind.

Oh, and happy to see a new thread here and the familiar virtual faces.

#89 ::: Jacque ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 04:12 PM:

Strangest thing for me has been how...normal? lockdown has been, given how much of my life happens online? I don't miss going into the office, like, at all. I also don't miss the progressively compounding clusterf*ck that was the last administration. Whatever else might be said about the current regime, at least they're not actively trying to kill us all? And, have to say, props to my employer for doing stuff right. They even gave us WFHers a snow-day for that blizzard Nicole mentions in her @86. I am looking forward to going for walks while not fighting down rage at the maskholes with their naked faces hanging out. And also random jaunts to the grocery store without having to do a risk assessment calculation.

#90 ::: Russell Letson ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 04:52 PM:

We're Pfizer'd, not Pzizer'd. Apparently the vaccine does not protect us from the dreaded cross-finger typo. (Though if the vial containing your vaccine *is* labeled "Pzizer," suspect that an eBay vendor has worked its way into the supply chain.)

#91 ::: Kip Williams ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 05:36 PM:

A year ago, the Irish jam session I'm in (here in Western NY) canceled their annual St. Patrick's Day party, and shortly after, canceled everything else as well.

That was my major recurring thing. The Shakespeare group stopped its monthly meetings as well. Apart from that and a monthly small session, I didn't go out much anyway.

I heard that I could visit my Dad (in hospice at a rest home in MI), so I drove up there just in time for a new outbreak in the area to cause them to tighten the rules again. I saw him through his window, and drove two days back home again.

Been meeting weekly with a violinist friend to play duets. Most times we play at her place, where they can empty the large garage. We play at a distance, masked.

I'll get vaccinated next month. Tonight, the Irish group is going to see how much of a holiday party we can have via Zoom.

#92 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 07:51 PM:

My workplace gave me three snow days last month. And they've made a real commitment to hiring of both people of color and women, and to encouraging women to take leadership roles. You'd hardly believe they started up in Texas.

#93 ::: Joyce Reynolds-Ward ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 09:52 PM:

I'm 63 years old, mildly overweight, have asthma and am on inhaled cortisteroids to manage it. Currently staying in a small rural Oregon county on the other side of the state from Portland.

My 69-year-old husband has gotten the first Moderna vax, much more quickly than others his age in Portland have been doing.

My 34-year-old son (who does not live with us but in Portland) has Crohn's Disease, is on a immunosuppresent biologic to manage it, has gout, asthma, and irritable bowel disease as well. And is autistic. He has a housemate in her late 60s who has gotten her first shot.

According to Oregon, both my son and I are not eligible for the vaccine until June 1st, the next-to-the-last tier. So far Oregon hasn't updated its schedules after Biden's speech.

So it appears that in mid-April, I'll have a fully-immunized spouse while I'll be lucky to even know when I can get an appointment (unless thanks to the efficiency of local health care--not snark, it's for real--I can get in for a shot before June. The problem is that doses here get scheduled quickly, and we have been shorted in doses before).

I keep hearing that Oregon is doing a good job. But then I look at people elsewhere who are in similar circumstances who are getting shots much sooner and I've gotta wonder. Especially since the odds are good that I'll be able to get vaxxed sooner here--unless the state of Oregon forces our small county to hold to the statewide schedule after they've vaxxed all who are willing in the previous tiers.

No advice, please. I'm just whining. On the other hand, my circumstances are that I can sit tight--it's just annoying because my spouse will be under fewer restrictions than I will be. And please don't suggest vaccine location services. I am NOT risking a trip to Idaho, even if I could somehow persuade those damn locators to look further than 50 miles away or who don't send me to Walmart 70 miles away--which is a notorious hotspot with lousy mask protocol.

I could lie, I suppose. But even though I know others who have done it, I'm really reluctant to do so.

Sigh. Congrats to all of you who can get your shots, though. That's how we're going to beat it.

#94 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: March 15, 2021, 10:26 PM:

I have read that my state (Alaska) currently leads the nation in vaccine delivery. Last Thursday, IIRC, vaccination was opened to all persons over 16. However, my 17-year-old and I are still waiting, because this town is getting X doses per week to distribute and the demand is more like 10X. I can't seem to get to the sign-up pages for any of the open-air vaccination clinics before they fill up.

My husband is in a neurological rehabilitation ward on the mainland, and got the shot the day the announcement went out.

#95 ::: Cassy B. ::: (view all by) ::: March 16, 2021, 08:29 AM:

Got my shot yesterday! My friend the pharmacist had one extra dose, and called me to see if I wanted it. I practically teleported to her pharmacy. One Moderna dose down; one to go. Arm sore; light headache the next day (which answers the question of whether I caught it asymptomatically when my husband had it; if I'd had COVID I'd be feeling MUCH worse today.)

Others may beware the ides of March; I'm going to celebrate it!

Good wishes to all here still waiting.

#96 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 16, 2021, 07:29 PM:

One of my co-workers got on our Slack today offering to help people schedule their appointments. Thanks to him, Katie was able to go to an HEB supermarket today and get her first — Moderna, like mine. As I've mentioned, I'm scheduled for my second in three days.

#97 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: March 17, 2021, 02:09 AM:

Just when I thought my computer woes at work were over, Outlook lost the ability to read its own data file, again, after an update, again. This time it was a push update. Thanks, Windows 10!

I told my boss that I will begin researching a combination of programs that I can use to replace Outlook, and if this happens for a third time I will begin using them. I will miss the fast functionality of Outlook running in combination with the rest of the Office suite, but this is too much.

Hopefully tech support (local, not Microsoft!) will be able to resolve the issue soon.

#98 ::: Cassy B. ::: (view all by) ::: March 17, 2021, 08:55 AM:

About a month ago, Outlook started displaying the "from" line for all inquiries coming from filling out webforms on the company website as from (my company) as opposed to from (inquiring email address) as before. The tech firm still hasn't figured out why. (The "from" line in the open email says "from (inquiring email address) via (my company)" just as before; older emails display properly. What this means is that I now have hundreds of identical-looking emails in my email box every day; the only way to find a specific inquiry from a specific company is to use the search function. Which is annoying and slow and means that things are being dropped on the floor. Yet all the OLD inquiries display properly.

In contrast, the backup gmail account to which the inquiries are simultaneously cc'd displays the "from" as the inquirer, just as before.

'Tis a puzzlement. An irritating, irritating puzzlement. I'm leaning on the gmail account to keep track of what's coming in even as I have to use (for archival purposes) the Outlook account to send replies.

#99 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: March 17, 2021, 11:46 AM:

I am leaning toward:

Calendar: We have one on the company website, which somebody else is responsible for not me; the paper one is for visitors and cleaners, and I can probably just keep it up by hand.

Directory and emails: We have another program that keeps a database of people we contact regularly, and it has an email composition feature; I just haven't had the time to learn how to use it, and of course it doesn't mesh seamlessly with Word et al. We got it relatively recently and I had been using Outlook in parallel with it just because Outlook was already there, but I could migrate entirely to the new software and just stop using Outlook for this stuff.

Saving received emails: Logging in directly with our ISP isn't...terribly bad? Like, if their server is down I can't see anything, but they actually have a lot of the same features as Outlook, just slower, including customized archival folders.

Task scheduling: This is the thorny devil. I have not found anything that works nearly as well. I need something that will remind me in 2 years and 3 days to do the biennial thing if that's what I need, and also continually remind me every Monday to do the Monday things, and furthermore track short-term one-off tasks, plus include extensive instructions in case somebody has to do my job on short notice. I am leaning toward just getting an old-school accordion file with dated tabs and teaching people how to use it.

#100 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: March 17, 2021, 01:18 PM:

I don't know why I am so sentimental about this, but I am feeling sad over an announcement that a bit over a month from now, even calls made on a local exchange will have to be dialed using the area code. I realize that Alaska is lagging far behind many other states in this regard, but it feels, somehow, like losing roots. Like the edges of our community have been frayed, just a bit.

(I suppose there is also a blandly unmentioned cost increase involved, because all calls will thereafter be long distance.)

#101 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 17, 2021, 02:25 PM:

I don't think it will change costs - it's just that they run out of numbers and new ones get a different area code. L.A. has been doing this for years.
Yes, it's annoying to dial 10 digits (well, 11) to get someone in the next block, but it's better than getting wrong numbers all the time. ("Steven?" "Hello, I'd like to speak to Steven, please.")

#102 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 18, 2021, 01:04 AM:

It never rains but it pours:

10AM Monday: Boston Medical Center leaves vmail: do I want an appointment? (BMC started public queueing for all Boston residents a few weeks ago, unlike ~private hospitals that have been dealing only with previous patients -- or my regular chain-practice, which has apparently been getting trivial amounts of vaccine despite having probably hundreds of thousands of regular clients.)

4PM Monday: I finally check my vmail; after a long time on hold, I get a friendly scheduler who tells me I can get shot at 10AM Tuesday. I find this a bit disturbing: BMC is on the edge of a depressed area, has clinics in marginal areas, and has been trying to make sure that minorities don't get left behind; I'm surprised that appointments so soon are available so late in the day. (There were also early-morning appointments available at a clinic, which should have been good for first-shift workers.) But I suspect that turning this one down just means a slot will go unused, so I take it.

10AM Tuesday: the directions are inaccurate and the street by the site is being torn up, but I get a shot (Moderna) and an appointment for the 2nd dose.

4PM Tuesday: I get email from the state-sponsored chain of large-scale vax sites saying I'll get email Wednesday with a link for an appointment. I click the link that is supposed to say "no thanks."

small hours Wednesday: I get email with a link to make an appointment; I click another "no thanks" link, and hope somebody else gets an appointment.

~10AM Wednesday: the charlie in the corner office announces that next Monday front-line people (e.g. grocery clerks) and people over 60 will be able to get vaxxed, spreading from 65+ or >1 medical condition currently. I deduce that most of the 400K people who e-queued for the mega-sites last Friday (in the first ~16 hours it was possible) weren't currently eligible, as we're only getting ~150K doses/week and some of those are going to hospitals (e.g. BMC), CVS (huge pharmacy chain), etc. This means my partner will also get a shot soon.

Joyce Reynolds-Ward @ 92: I am baffled at Oregon's choices of what conditions don't put people in higher-priority groups, but not surprised that different states make differently-strange choices; here's hoping Oregon can step up distributing and administering doses to match the expected availability (enough for everyone by May 1).

#103 ::: dcb ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2021, 12:20 PM:

Got my first vaccine dose (Oxford-AstraZenica) this morning. No complaints - very slick operation, out within a few minutes of entering the building. Of course I felt the injection, but I can barely see the mark where the needle went in, and no side-effects so far other than the arm feeling a bit sore for an hour or so after the vaccination. I had been going to run a 50K today, but as it was a virtual race I was able to move it and run last Saturday instead. So today I simply needed to get up at 0600 and get out the house in time to do my 2.5-hour run ending at the vaccine clinic appointment - then a gentle run home (less than a mile) afterwards.

Best of luck to everyone still waiting for theirs.

#104 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2021, 01:45 PM:

Item missed from my INRBIP: this all happened just a couple of days after I'd postponed jury duty, on the grounds that they wanted me to show up before I could expect to have gotten vaccinated. Probably just as well as my 2nd shot is scheduled for the day after I was to show up; the reminder letter was voluble about precautions, but spending so long in a closed room doesn't appeal even if the number of people in the pool is way down. I'll be going downtown in mid-September, when taking public transit is plausible (and might not even require a mask).

wrt which, it occurs to me that I was suggesting the wrong stfnal reference. "All around, without any fuss, the masks were coming off" has a certain something -- although not much, considering the places that are already dropping mask requirements; cf the Texas AG suing Austin for continuing to require masks in the city.

@dcb: you ran 2.5 hours to your appointment? I'm impressed, even if the way home was short.

#105 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2021, 09:58 PM:

Got my first shot today! They had a big double-wall tent with built-in HVAC set up in the parking lot next to the Harbormaster Building, and my oldest and I were in and out in 20 minutes. That included 15 minutes of mandatory sit-down time, just in case we were among the very rare people who have immediate bad reactions.

#106 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2021, 11:13 PM:


#107 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 21, 2021, 10:43 PM:

Happy Birthday to our hostess Teresa!

#108 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 22, 2021, 10:05 PM:

Ah, shit. Another mass shooting in the U.S. This one's in Boulder. John and I are fine, we live a good 3 miles or so across town and were not anywhere near that particular retail plaza today. Am running around various online social spaces reassuring friends to that effect; am also fielding text messages from friends and family. It's a hell of a way to reconnect with folks.

Thoughts going out to those affected.

I hope Jacque checks in. She lives near me, and I'm reasonably sure her day-to-day doesn't take her to that area of town, but, still, I'll be happier when I hear from her.

#109 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 22, 2021, 10:06 PM:

Thanks - I *was* a bit worried, but I know it's not a small place with only two supermarkets.

#110 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 22, 2021, 10:15 PM:

@108 Heh. True that. It's not even the only King Soopers - there are no less than 2 closer to my house than, or at least as close as, the Table Mesa location where the shooting happened. (Plus we've been doing our groceries exclusively delivery and curbside. Yet another pandemic silver lining: I expect the number of customers in the store at the time was lower than it would have been in the "before times.")

#111 ::: Jacque ::: (view all by) ::: March 23, 2021, 10:05 AM:

Hey, everyone. Yeah, I'm over across town, closer to Nicole. But that's the neighborhood where I (and as it happens, also my boss, who is a tiny bit freaked out) grew up. Shopped at that grocery store, know the neighborhood well. The house I grew up in is three-four blocks from there. I just got up, so haven't seen any new information since about 6pm last evening.

#112 ::: Jacque ::: (view all by) ::: March 23, 2021, 10:09 AM:

Also, CZEdwards of this parish, & also a Boulder County resident, has stuff to say on Twitter.

#113 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 23, 2021, 11:39 AM:

Jacque and Nicole, thanks for checking in. I'm glad you're both okay, and CZEdwards, too.

#114 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 23, 2021, 08:50 PM:

Glad you're OK, Jacque. Thanks for checking in.

A roller derby acquaintance on FB told me that our former league photographer was there. He got out OK, but still, he was there.

#115 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 24, 2021, 11:35 PM:

Me @ 113:

A roller derby acquaintance on FB told me that our former league photographer was there. He got out OK, but still, he was there.

Shit. I just learned that he wasn't just shopping there - he was working there. So he witnessed a bunch of horror, his employment situation is in chaos, and three of the victims were his co-workers.

The league's organizing to reach out to him and send emotional and material support.

In completely unrelated news, except for being similarly filed under "this week sucks," I've learned that my hips have been secretly self-destructing all my life. The relevant phrase is "femoroacetabular impingement" and I am oscillating between very grumpy and identify crisis about it. At least it's early days. Got an anti-inflammatory prescribed and physical therapy scheduled. But apparently my competitive derby years are numbered more tightly than I'd originally assumed, and it makes me just that much more angry at the pandemic for wasting two of them.

#116 ::: Kip Williams ::: (view all by) ::: March 25, 2021, 11:38 AM:

I saw those news items about DFT's 757, and realized that it's the stuff of manly poetry:


I saw a reporter from a cable show
Who said, A jumbo jet rusts on the concrete
Surrendered to effects of sun and rain and snow
Its nose and chin thrust like a bully replete.
Wings that once bore dreams now sagging low.
Helpless wreckage sinking in its tracks
Silhouette's a lie; the heap's a dump,
One engine gone, its twin entwined with sacks

Upon its brow, the logos gold declare
"We lift aloft the name of Donald Trump!
His wealth a flame, his fame beyond compare."
A low-paid guard now shoos punk kids away
From relict hulk containing mostly air.
Stripes on patchy tarmac point at its decay.

#117 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 25, 2021, 03:42 PM:

Carrying on the poetry with an old favorite updated for current events:
this is just to say
i have blocked
the suez
which you
probably needed
for international
forgive me
im sideways
and my ship ass
is big

-- Rhiannon Shaw (borrowed from my partner's social-media feed)

#118 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: March 25, 2021, 05:19 PM:

CHip (116): I've seen two other versions of that poem used to parody that series of events. @fadeaccompli (whom I first met here on ML) did one of them, which started an amazing poetry thread.

#119 ::: Robert Glaub ::: (view all by) ::: March 25, 2021, 06:29 PM:

I have been pre-approved for a home mortgage of up to $300K.

#120 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 25, 2021, 10:21 PM:

Congratulations! (I think)

It probably feels something like when I got pre-approved for a car loan - right when I was starting to look for one.

#121 ::: Doug ::: (view all by) ::: March 26, 2021, 01:24 PM:

An acquaintance in a different part of social media writes —

Dear fellow translators: The typical upfront expense for translations is the greatest hurdle that translations face in the publishing space, especially in light of the fact that advances are no longer the norm for even full, English-original manuscripts. What — if any — creative approaches have some of the rest of you come up with in the interest of trying to expand the reach of translations in the difficult Anglophone market?

Emphasis added. Is this, in fact, a fact?

Speaking only for myself, I take a Dim View of doing unpaid work. I was also surprised to hear, from someone who has sold more than a dozen translations in mysteries and literary fiction that advances are not usual. Hence my question.

#122 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 26, 2021, 01:36 PM:

120: list
Carrolyxy on The point
Yipsgf on It's a big rock.
LorenaBlairnen on Portal fantasies, and cycles of desire
Yipequ on A brief note on linguistic markers
Tsebyl56245afsdfsaf5621 on Phil Foglio, Girl Genius, and me
Bryanyir on Varieties of insanity known to affect authors
Bryanuhn on Cycling, mindfulness, and urbanism
Laopyb on Finding Books to Read

#123 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 26, 2021, 06:07 PM:

Beverly Cleary has died. (at 104!)

#124 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 26, 2021, 07:12 PM:

link for 123

#125 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2021, 02:53 PM:

Is anyone actually in touch with Abi, Teresa, or Patrick? It's becoming abundantly obvious that ML needs a moderator / spam weeder who is actually present on a daily basis. I've volunteered to do this in the past, but emails from me to them in the past have not been refused...they've simply been ignored. I have no idea whether my messages to them have even been read.

#126 ::: John A Arkansawyer ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2021, 03:49 PM:

CHip@116: On Twitter, one Thinkwert had this to say:

I have blocked
the canal
that was in

and which
you were probably
for the global economy

Forgive me
it went sideways
so fast
and out of control

#127 ::: Angiportus Librarysaver ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2021, 05:34 PM:

I guess I heard about it when it was still over in China, before 2020 even began, and I thought "Sure hope that doesn't get over here." Well, next thing I knew it did. In this sector too. xkcd did a cartoon on it, and that's how you know something has Arrived. I forget which one or I'd link to it. A lot more since, of course. So the quarantine started and next thing I knew this place [old/disabled] was on lockdown and our morning coffee hour and bull session was canceled--that I really miss. And the libraries closed, which I miss just as much or even more.
You know things are really getting crazy when you say to a 95-year old relative that you have never been thru anything like this and they say they haven't either.
Same relative who is good at sewing provided me with masks, thank goodness, and I naturally do not touch people anyway. But it was a weird year, to have to worry about this all the time even if it was in the back of the mind, to wonder if one would even be around to see the end of the year.To sit around in one's retirement and realize how much worse the medical providers and other workers had it, how who knew when the world would recover. In September the now-traditional wildfire smoke event added to the fun.
In Nov. that thing invaded our building, courtesy of a caretaker who was involved with one of the residents, and another resident died and 2 were in the hospital a few days. One bright spot was that another pestilence was voted out.
And there still wasn't a vaccine. I've always been good at getting my shots and now I couldn't. But this late-winter they began arriving and I am pleased to announce that I got my 2nd one yesterday and am part of the immune herd--of course I will continue to mask up and be careful. I'm so glad to be unscathed and still have all my friends alive, inc. family. But who knows what will slither into our midst next?
Hey, at least we don't have a ship with a canal jammed into it.
I wonder what xkcd will do with *that* one.

#128 ::: Buddha Buck ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2021, 09:25 PM:

Angiportus Librarysaver @127:

Congratulations on your 2nd shot. I get mine tomorrow.

As for XKCD, I suspect we'll find out on Monday.

#129 ::: TomB ::: (view all by) ::: March 27, 2021, 10:56 PM:

Because of the spam I went back and reread the Toni Weisskopf gets almost everything wrong about the Futurian Exclusion, but we like her anyway thread. Talk about foreshadowing. It is another year before the puppies attack. In Teresa's main post she writes:

The worst rifts are always unforeseen.
I was also struck by Teresa's comment:
I've been thinking for a while now that the great right-wing noise machine has been deliberately inciting a chronic sense of outrage and resentment, especially via talk radio during those long miserable suburban commutes that no one consciously signed up for but almost everyone got.
Ironically the white flight to the suburbs was not good for family life. American conservatives have been sold a bill of goods over and over again by their corporate leaders, so of course they had to blame the liberals.

It will be interesting to see if this changes because of the pandemic and large numbers of middle class workers finding they can work from home.

#130 ::: Cadbury Moose ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2021, 06:03 AM:

David Goldfarb @ #125

I think the problem is that all three have RL problems to deal with at the moment, and ML is very much not a priority.

Patrick and Teresa both lost a parent in the last month or so, and Abi has a long-running (family?) problem to deal with as well.

The best solution might be to close all the threads except the current Open thread 224 and the Dysfunctional Families one in order to reduce the attack surface.

(Apart from the side effects of doing that, it also requires one or more of the moderation team/owners to do that, which is difficult.)

#131 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2021, 11:19 AM:

TomB@129: ISTM that blaming white flight to the suburbs is a bit simplistic; suburbs go back to before (e.g.) the civil rights movement of the 1960's. It may be more accurate to say that Gresham's Law also applies to public discourse, but slowly; it took decades for slimeballs to realize how much money there was in stirring up unjustified outrage in the media. (There were previous cases, such as Father Coughlin, even before the suburbs became major; however, the ones I've heard of tended to burn out -- perhaps not as quickly as McCarthy (who IIRC wasn't much on media), but none of them as long-lasting as he-whose-name-rhymes-with-flush.) Or the tipping point might be the combination of failures, revenge, and outright delusion that put a "grade-B movie-star governor" into the White House, leading to the Fairness Doctrine being abolished.
         However, it was interesting to go back and look at that commentary, and realize that Weisskopf had her head in a strange place (to be polite) even then. I find myself wondering why DisCon III invited her in the first place. It's not as if her views, or the quality of work under her name, were not known; one wonders whether there was a sort of Grand Compromise to invite both her and Malka Older (who I think treated Arisia very shabbily, but I'm sure others see it differently).

Cadbury Moose @130: the latest Dreadful Phrases thread isn't as active as this one (and probably not as Dysfunctional Families, but I have not been reading that), but it is still getting posts and IMO should not be sealed; there will always be assaults on (and praiseworthy episodes in) the English language.
         And I see Avram Grumer (who IIRC is the "Avram" who posted recently about getting vaccinated) is also listed as moderator; perhaps there's one person with keys and not having a bad case of life?

#133 ::: TomB ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2021, 02:05 PM:

CHip@131: Sure, nothing is simple. Maybe if instead of correcting me, consider it's more complicated than that. What I liked about Teresa's comment is there are lots of things "that no one consciously signed up for but almost everyone got". The American Dream turned out to be a fantasy, and not a very good one. Hey, we have a toolkit for analyzing not very good fantasies.

#134 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2021, 02:52 PM:

Cadbury Moose: I realize they all have life going on, and I'm not blaming them for it. What I'm suggesting as a simpler solution is for somebody to give me the keys to the kingdom.

#135 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: March 28, 2021, 11:54 PM:

David Goldfarb -- you're not, like, wearing a long goatee these days?

#136 ::: xeger ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2021, 12:24 AM:

David Goldfarb @ 134 ...
Uh ... you haven't adopted a new pet recently, have you?

#137 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2021, 12:24 AM:

My wife has decided opinions about facial hair on men: I am therefore going to be clean-shaven for the foreseeable future.

#138 ::: Xopher Halftongue ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2021, 10:40 AM:

David 137: I suspect you may have missed the point. Your 134 carries tones of "I alone can save you, if you swear your utter fealty! And as for those who have opposed me, I WILL MAKE YOU ALL PAY! Bwah-hah-hah!"

Not that you intended any such interpretation, or would in fact make people pay, just that it sounded rather like a supervillain speech.

#139 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2021, 12:29 PM:

Xopher, I was thinking "Grand Vizier", but that works too.

#140 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2021, 02:35 PM:

Some good has come out of this spam - I had an enjoyable time rereading the thread TomB links, though there was a bittersweet element to it, because some of the commenters in that thread are not with us anymore.

(My husband and I seem to have acquired vaccine appointments via the service, though I have a question about mine, as the Safeway where my appointment is seems to use a stricter set of eligibility requirements than the state does. The live support from Vaccine Fairy volunteers is excellent; I have a chat window up with them right now.)

#141 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 29, 2021, 02:41 PM:

Looking back I still don't see it, but with three different people saying they do, I'll accept that I expressed myself badly.

Would it help if I noted that I'd be fine with someone else such as Xopher getting the keys to the kingdom instead of me? My position here is that if I'm going to complain I'd better be prepared to volunteer to help.

#142 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: March 30, 2021, 01:29 PM:

We just booked an appointment for Inge to get her first shot in a couple of days. She's eligible because she's receiving chronic home care. Her chronic immune deficiency isn't yet a factor in the Ottawa Publich Health algorithm. I'm not yet eligible, even as her caregiver. So, to quote Nanki-Poo: "Modified rapture!"

#143 ::: Diatryma ::: (view all by) ::: March 30, 2021, 07:47 PM:

What pinged my nope-sense was 'keys to the kingdom' specifically.

#144 ::: Joyce Reynolds-Ward ::: (view all by) ::: March 30, 2021, 09:56 PM:

And I got my vaccine appointment today! It's next week, but still...hurray! Took a joyful ride on the horse in celebration. She's happy to get out of the field because she's in with a yearling and a two-year-old--full sisters, and the elder is bullying the younger. Upon her return my girl took a big chomp out of the bully and made her move, then ambled off for salt and water, the other two sedately following behind her. I suspect that she's taken to ruling the pasture with a stern twenty-one years, I don't think she puts up with much young horse hijinks anymore.

#145 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: March 30, 2021, 10:14 PM:

@Diatryma: Well, what I really want is the key to the shed where they keep the weed-whacker. If there were a way to close off that shed from the control room I'd accept that and be happy about it. But there isn't. (And I promise I wouldn't use the weed-whacker on anyone other than spammers.)

#146 ::: Michael I ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2021, 08:40 AM:

First vaccine shot last Friday through one of Maryland's mass vaccination sites. Second shot on April 16.

(No particular side effects to the first shot except a very small bit of soreness. Apparently side effects are often worse for the second shot.)

#147 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2021, 11:57 AM:

You're getting the Pfizer shot, Michael I -- in general, the Moderna produces a stronger reaction to the second shot where Pfizer doesn't. That's because the second dose of Moderna is stronger than the first dose. Slightly different models. (I can tell it's Pfizer because it's a 3-week lag between shots rather than 4 weeks.)

Of course, YMMV,

#148 ::: Xopher Halftongue ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2021, 02:54 PM:

I want to know where they keep the disemvoweller, and whether they keep it fully charged.

#149 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2021, 04:14 PM:

I thought it was solar-powered. With a built-in charger for the battery backup.

#150 ::: Erik Nelson ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2021, 08:20 PM:

What's up with all the word salad spam we are getting lately?

And what is its payload?

#151 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2021, 09:12 PM:

In some cases, the payload is a link that you see if you mouse over the person's name. In others, they're trying to embed links in the text, but this *always* seems to fail, due to poor formatting or something. That seems weird to me.

#152 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: March 31, 2021, 09:22 PM:

I saw one where the payload was embedded as text with reverse square brackets around it. There seem to be several sites with sort-of-consistent names from each one - all the "bryan" ones are from one site. Like they can track back from that to see which drops work.

#153 ::: dcb ::: (view all by) ::: April 01, 2021, 05:54 AM:

Mine (UK) was Oxford/Astra-Zenica and I'm expecting to be offered my second dose for 12 weeks after the first - which will coincide with my running a 100-mile race. Not a sensible combination, so I'm going to start phoning after 9 weeks to see if I can arrange it for 11 weeks, pretty please, giving me a week to recover from any side-effects and avoiding stressing the immune system two ways at the same time, which would not be sensible.

Joyce Reynolds-Ward @144: I wish I had the cat equivalent of your older horse at the moment. We have three 7-month-old semi-feral kittens that we adopted a few months back and two of them keep arguing (with chases and swipes and growls and snarls - including at 6am just outside our bedroom! We could do with an older animal to keep the peace.

#154 ::: Tony Zbaraschuk ::: (view all by) ::: April 01, 2021, 09:08 AM:

Local man reports getting second dose of the Moderna vaccine, and feeling just fine about it. (Small twinges at the site of the injection Do Not Count.)

#155 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: April 01, 2021, 12:29 PM:

For both me and Karen, the reaction happened about 12 hours after getting the second Moderna shot. My effects lasted about 12 hours after that; hers, about 24. It's a delayed reaction.

#156 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: April 01, 2021, 04:24 PM:

I got the second Pfizer shot on Tuesday. Wednesday morning I realized that my lymph nodes were swollen and painful. I then realized that I was exhausted; I took four hour-plus naps during the day. My temp was slightly elevated by evening, but never reached 100F. Today I am less tired and my lymph nodes are calming down. Not bad at all!

#157 ::: Charlie Stross ::: (view all by) ::: April 01, 2021, 04:32 PM:

Huh, vaccines ...

Allocation is centrally controlled and strictly by assigned group, here in Scotland. I got my first shot (AstraZeneca) on February 28th; I'm expecting the second about 12 weeks later, so mid-to-end of May. Meanwhile, Feorag is about 18 months younger and just below the 55 year old cut-off when they assigned people to groups, so is still awaiting hers -- should have been in the past couple of weeks, but there's a vaccine famine right now (UK gov was going to import 10M doses from India when Modi said "nope" due to an outbreak in Mumbia, leading to shortages for a 2-4 week period).

My first AZ shot didn't hurt but left me feeling like I was just on the edge of coming down with flu for about 24 hours (without actually starting a fever), then sandbagged/brain fogged for another 48 hours. Still better than getting the real thing, though.

#158 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: April 01, 2021, 11:43 PM:

Some sad news: Sylvain St-Pierre of Montreal, a nice guy and one of the mainstays of MonSFFA, passed away from COVID a couple of days ago.

#159 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: April 02, 2021, 02:42 AM:

Spouse done been jabbed today. Mr. Pfizer dunnit, in Longmont, with a needle. He reports a fascinating soreness to the arm ("It hurts to mess with it, but you can't stop messing with it, you know?") as his sole side-effect thus far.

Mine is Monday, so I cancelled my Tuesday PT appt. just in case I am not as fortunate with side-effects.

And as of RIGHT NOW, Apr 2, everyone in Colorado ages 16 and up is eligible.

Joel Polowin @158 - Ah, crud, that sucks. I'm so sorry. And angry too. And sorry.

#160 ::: Robert Glaub ::: (view all by) ::: April 02, 2021, 11:27 AM:

Got my second dose at the VA last week.

#161 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: April 02, 2021, 11:15 PM:

I now have appointments to get the vaccine - first one is Monday morning.

#162 ::: SunflowerP ::: (view all by) ::: April 03, 2021, 06:57 AM:

Nicole @140: 'Some good has come out of this spam - I had an enjoyable time rereading the thread TomB links, though there was a bittersweet element to it, because some of the commenters in that thread are not with us anymore.'

I was glad that one turned up; I'd wanted to revisit it (in connection with Baen's Barfight) but hadn't yet managed to track it down.

Typically, I use spam posts as a mechanism for discovering fine old posts - it's less daunting than a concerted attempt to read the whole archive would be. The recent floods of slimy pink stuff, though, have made that largely impractical, which cheeses me off no end.

David Goldfarb @145: 'Well, what I really want is the key to the shed where they keep the weed-whacker. If there were a way to close off that shed from the control room I'd accept that and be happy about it. But there isn't. (And I promise I wouldn't use the weed-whacker on anyone other than spammers.)'

I initially thought your 'keys to the kingdom' phrasing was an intentional quip - the sort made by someone generally known as a person who wouldn't abuse the power. (Takeover-plotting Grand Viziers have for many years now had a readily-available resource to remind them to avoid such self-indulgences... to which I see at least one Fluorospherian has contributed.) It can be correctly inferred from this that I, at any rate, take you to be a non-abuser (I imagine those who reacted to your phrasing are of similar mind, and were just running with the gag).

Basically, you're volunteering for gnome duty. We certainly are in dire need of weed-whacker operators. Are you on Twitter? IME, that's a reasonably-reliable place to ping the ML moderators and get a response.

#163 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: April 03, 2021, 08:03 PM:

I follow John Scalzi's Twitter regularly, but that's about the limit of my Twitter activity. And much as I love the community here I'm not willing to create a whole new social media account just for that purpose.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, SunflowerP: I got the impression that Diatryma at least didn't share it, regardless of what xeger and Xopher and Joel might have been thinking.

#164 ::: Juli Thompson ::: (view all by) ::: April 03, 2021, 10:48 PM:

@David Goldfarb, I, like SunflowerP in #162, took it for a lighthearted quip.

I have a Twitter account. Would you like me to politely invite our hosts to view your offer?

#165 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: April 04, 2021, 01:58 PM:

NYT reports the death of playwright Arthur Kopit, author of Oh Dad, Poor Dad, Mamma’s Hung You in the Closet and I’m Feelin’ So Sad and of the much-punchier Indians, which I co-(*)-tech-directed a college production of when I was a freshman. I kept hearing about interesting work of his and never seeing it; maybe I'll be able to fix that after theaters reopen.

(*)The other tech director went on to design sets (like many who tech directed in that theater) and is now an established ~architectural designer; I never thought of myself as an artist.

#166 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: April 04, 2021, 07:07 PM:

Juli@164: I think that would be a fine thing to do. Thank you.

#167 ::: dcb ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2021, 03:40 AM:

David Goldfarb: I am sure the keys to the kingdom/weed-whacker shed (delete as applicable) would be safe in your hands!

#168 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2021, 01:59 PM:

In case I was unclear, I was joking -- I was amused by the implications of the "keys to the kingdom" phrase.

#169 ::: Juli Thompson ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2021, 07:18 PM:

David Goldfarb @ 166 - Done. I can’t PM Patrick, I suspect he wisely only allows that from people he knows. I tried to be brief and polite. I hope it works!

#170 ::: Juli Thompson ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2021, 07:22 PM:

Child #2 and I got our second shots Saturday - Pfizer. I had no side effects either time, other than brief soreness in my arm. She had fever and body aches for most of Sunday. Child #1, who lives separately, just got notified of her dates for the Moderna shots. I am very, very relieved, and will be able to sleep soundly once she gets them both.

#171 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2021, 09:51 PM:

I got Pfizered on Monday morning. No side-effects other than a mild soreness in the arm, and then only when I move it in certain positions. I'm braced for somewhat worse when I get my second, but Juli Thompson @ 170 is reassuring.

Since the Safeway was in her neighborhood, I stopped by the house of a dear friend for some chat on her porch. She and her spouse are fully vaccinated, two shots plus two weeks. I look forward to actually having them over to visit again in the near future!

#172 ::: Diatryma ::: (view all by) ::: April 06, 2021, 10:45 PM:

I'm going to a game night in a week or so, adults fully vaccinated, baby present, there's a dog-- I don't even know what I'm going to do with this. The baby hasn't seen very many faces at all. This won't double the total number, but it'll be a big chunk. Just... social, with people, and talking, and not through a computer, how does this work.

#173 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: April 07, 2021, 10:59 PM:

gah. lost track of tabs. strange April Fool's described here.

In the meantime, vax continue to look up; my partner will be as-immune-as-Canby in 5 weeks, and so able to celebrate her mother's 85th birthday in person, hopefully with both sisters. I go for my 2nd next week, having booked at the beginning of a 2-day block I can afford to lose just in case of reaction.

#174 ::: OtterB ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2021, 09:15 AM:

Saturday will mark two weeks from the second Moderna shot for me and daughter the younger, who has intellectual disabilities and lives with us. My husband was fully vaccinated a month or two earlier (team Pfizer). Daughter the elder had her first shot Tuesday - her state opened up availability to all adults on Monday and she kept hitting "refresh" until she got an appointment. I am relieved. She is maid of honor in a friend's wedding in mid-May - rescheduled from spring 2020 - and was going anyway, and I feel MUCH better that she will be fully vaccinated before then.

One of my cousins is hosting a family reunion out of state over Memorial Day weekend. I had originally said we would not be coming, but when the CDC loosened recommendations on travel for the fully vaxed, we opted to go. I have made plane reservations. I have creeping anxiety about airports, flying, and All The Family. (They are not toxic, and at least one of my favorite cousins and my two surviving aunts will be there. It's just leaping from not-much-contact into all-the-contact.)

#175 ::: C Wingate ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2021, 04:46 PM:

We have three out of five in the household with at least one shot (eldest son is in line and youngest doesn't have a photo ID yet). We are running the gamut of American vaccines, with me getting the Pfitzer, Byrd the Moderna, and number 2 offspring had the J&J, which really knocked him for a loop.

#176 ::: Xopher Halftongue ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2021, 05:43 PM:

I got my second Moderna jab today. No symptom so far (~6 hours later), not even a sore arm.

But my doctor sideeyed me and said "I hope you don't have any plans for tomorrow." So I'm not counting on a productive Friday.

#177 ::: David Goldfarb ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2021, 07:14 PM:

I got my second Moderna shot three weeks ago, and I had a very sore arm but no other side effects worth mentioning. I might have gotten tired and gone to bed a little earlier than I otherwise would have, but then again I might have just been tired from activity. I certainly didn't have the rough time that some people have reported. So cheer up, Xopher, you could be one of the lucky ones in that regard.

#178 ::: SunflowerP ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2021, 08:17 PM:

I see that the number of people spotting and marking spam has dropped off. I don't demand of anyone that they take it on - it's boring and, given the recent high volume of it, time-consuming - but I do want to encourage more people to take part. The more of us doing it, the less boring and time-consuming it is for any one person; and when someone (existing moderator or newly-appointed gnome) armed with a weed-whacker/the keys to the kingdom finally comes along to rid us of the kudzu, having as much of it as possible already flagged will make their job exponentially less overwhelming.

A quick tutorial for anyone willing but uncertain: Add 'sees spam' to your name in the 'Type your name here:' field (try not to forget to remove the addition next time you're posting a non-spam-spotting post). Fill in the other fields as usual. Put '@[post number(s) of spammy post(s)]' in the 'Write here:' field. (Snark about the spam is optional - it takes more time, but can relieve the boredom.) Preview and post.

#179 ::: John A Arkansawyer ::: (view all by) ::: April 08, 2021, 11:33 PM:

I can't think of anywhere else to ask this and hope for an answer: In The Last Hot Time, are the Glasa gang and Glassisle related?

I just thumbed through The Well conference on that book and was sorry to see the <hidden> link explaining Kitsune's motivation had disappeared. I think I remember it--in a word, Cunfvn--but I wouldn't've minded the reassurance.

#180 ::: Singing Wren ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2021, 04:56 PM:

Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning. Like with the first shot, the muscle where I got the shot is sore when I move it in certain positions, which is better than some flu shots and most tetanus shots I’ve had.

I felt a little tired the day after my first shot, but I consider that inconclusive since I'd also slept badly the night before (including a midnight text from my brother with his daughter’s birth announcement). Today I started feeling tired about 5.5 hours after getting the shot. This one I am willing to attribute to the shot since I slept well last night and had plenty of energy at lunchtime. We'll see how I feel over the weekend.

The timing worked out about as well as it could for me - I was able to get my first dose on the day eligibility opened for my age group, and two weeks from today I will be traveling (by plane) to attend my grandmother’s burial. (Her funeral was one of the virtual ones I mentioned in my previous post.) I wish I was traveling for happier reasons, but so it goes.

#181 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2021, 09:05 PM:

Husband (who works in a hospital) and I (who have been working at a COVID-19 testing and vaccine site for the past year) got vaccinated back in December/January. He had Pfizer, I had Moderna. Like a lot of folks upthread, I got my butt kicked (briefly) by the 2nd dose of Moderna--dizziness, fever & body aches starting the morning after, lasted less than 12 hours. My kids have had one jab each, one with Pfizer, one with Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) and I'm not sure what the youngest got.

#182 ::: Jenny Islander ::: (view all by) ::: April 09, 2021, 11:21 PM:

My oldest and I are getting our second jabs tomorrow! Instead of a giant pop-up tent by the harbor, we'll be lining up at the Bingo hall.

#183 ::: Elaine ::: (view all by) ::: April 10, 2021, 09:49 AM:

I am happy to see some posts at what was once one of my favorite Internet sites. I got my second jab eight days ago and am starting to feel much less anxious when I have to leave the house.

#184 ::: stefan jones ::: (view all by) ::: April 10, 2021, 11:07 AM:

All-eligible date for Oregon is April 19th, but I'm not confident that enough doses will be available that I'll get shots this month, or even in May.

#185 ::: Joel Polowin ::: (view all by) ::: April 10, 2021, 03:09 PM:

I'm now eligible, by virtue of age, to be vaccinated at a local pharmacy. I filed my registration as soon as I found out, which was a few hours after the announcement on April 1st. I got a confirmation of my registration but haven't heard anything about how long I'm likely to have to wait. The other day, I saw that my usual pharmacy was open late to do vaccinations.

Our provincial premier just announced that people living in "hot spots" -- areas where the disease is most out of control -- will be eligible regardless of age, since those areas also have the lowest vaccination rates. I don't know to what degree those areas are less vaccinated by choice vs. by lack of useful access. There are correlations between political affiliation and vaccine refusal in Canada too.

#186 ::: CHip ::: (view all by) ::: April 10, 2021, 03:52 PM:

John Arkansawyer @ 179: I wouldn't put anything past Ford, but I'm not sure the names were his -- he came to Bordertown quite late -- so they could be coincidence. It has been too long since I read LHT; must remedy this.

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