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March 19, 2004

In other news, Sammy “The Bull” Gravano thinks we’re way too hung up on this “murder” thing. A well-known conservative pundit disses liberals for being interested in “conspiracy theories”:
Liberals have always loved conspiracy theories because raising the specter of foul play and dirty tricks is an easy and convenient justification for ignoring their own political and policy failures.
You can understand why this particular writer is interested in cutting off talk about “foul play and dirty tricks,” seeing as he’s Oliver North.

As commenter Bruce Arthurs remarks:

I dunno, but when someone who actually took part in a secret conspiracy at the highest levels of government says conspiracy theories are bunk…
Yeah, imagine suspecting that people in the White House might be illegally conspiring with terrorists, drug dealers, and hostile foreign powers. Liberals sure are nuts. [12:38 PM]
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Comments on In other news, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano thinks we're way too hung up on this "murder" thing.:

Roger ::: (view all by) ::: March 19, 2004, 01:12 PM:

The link to the report doesn't go beyond the title page. Here's a link that seems to work:

Jon H ::: (view all by) ::: March 19, 2004, 02:41 PM:

"Yeah, imagine suspecting that people in the White House might be illegally conspiring with terrorists, drug dealers, and hostile foreign powers. "

But, you see, that was different. It was morning in America, and it hadn't had its coffee yet.

julia ::: (view all by) ::: March 19, 2004, 03:06 PM:

and after they were so continent about the Clinton paranoia...

Shame on us.

Marlena ::: (view all by) ::: March 19, 2004, 03:12 PM:

Thanks, Ollie, for that nice long list of conspiracy theories. What a handy reference. It's missing all the rebuttals, of course, but no matter. I can overlook that.

Steven ::: (view all by) ::: March 19, 2004, 04:32 PM:

What has boggled my mind for the past couple of years, is how the heck did Oliver North ever get back enough credibility to appear regularly on the news and report on factual things. It's not just that he won't shut up. It's that there are potentially many people in positions of power who reviewed his credentials, and then said, "He seems like a stand up guy. Let's hire him."
But then again, considering most of the interviews I've ever had, it's the most plausible thing I can think of.

David Moles ::: (view all by) ::: March 19, 2004, 05:56 PM:

Steven, what you're missing is the sizable faction that thinks North is a hero for lying to Congress himself and sparing Ronnie the trouble. Not to mention for saving the Western Hemisphere from Communism.

Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: March 19, 2004, 11:59 PM:

He tried to undermine the Constitution of the United States. His actions may not fit the legal definition of 'treason', but I think he's a traitor.

Wacky country we live in.

Robert L ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2004, 01:56 AM:

North did more than try to undermine the Constitution; he schemed with the government of Iran to hold on to the hostages (people who put their lives on the line and endured torture as representatives of this country) for longer, so that the Republicans could win the election. I'm not in favor of capital punishment; North is. By his own standards, he should have gone to the chair.

However, I must admit I watched him with fascination during the Iran-Contra hearings. The guy should be polishing an Oscar in his prison cell. He does have charisma, as well as an "aw shucks, I'm just a lowly Lt. Col." act that a lot of people just ate up. Heck, folks, there's nothing to worry about. Next thing you know, people will be getting all worked up and starting to believe this administration knew about 9/11 beforehand or some other kind of wacky idea...

Robert L ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2004, 02:14 AM:

Actually, reading North's piece is interesting; he tars the Democrats by lumping well-documented "conspiracy theories" with more fringe beliefs (e.g., about JFK's assassination). Those wacky Democrats are trying to push zany theories like the flat Earth, phlogiston, and the wacky belief that LBJ faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident...

Ray Radlein ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2004, 02:43 AM:

It's the old Star Trek trick: You know, the one where Kirk talks about "all the classic authors -- Shakespeare, Homer, and Pragnol of Rebumar VII."

Thersites ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2004, 04:06 AM:

I'm worried that we're at the point at which rality has in fact lapped satire.

julia ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2004, 05:44 AM:

I especially enjoyed the part where Col. North announced that he would cheerfully die if his president wanted him to and then ratted him out to congress for hours and hours and hours.

Ken Houghton ::: (view all by) ::: March 20, 2004, 08:45 PM:

"During the 1980 election, Democrats claimed that Ronald Reagan made a secret pact with Iranian fundamentalists, in order to prolong the hostage crisis and cause Jimmy Carter's support to further hemorrhage."

Gosh, guess they missed that one, too, eh?

bryan ::: (view all by) ::: March 21, 2004, 04:04 PM:

See you're just upset because Bush's defintion of a progressive policy and yours is somewhat differing:
scroll all the way down do you see?

Dave Bell ::: (view all by) ::: March 21, 2004, 06:12 PM:

I'm maybe a fool, but since that web-site invites comments, I commented.


However, I did perhaps make a mistake in resorting to words of more than one syllable. I applied reasoned argument. I fear that I resorted to my amateurish rhetoric. Worst of all, I even used a semi-colon.

So I doubt they understood me.

Kip W ::: (view all by) ::: March 22, 2004, 09:05 PM:

Ollie North. His supporters see this mature, noble Boy Scout. He looks the part, from the nose up. Something about his jaw, though, looks like Joe McCarthy, or maybe the Ewell guy who spits on Atticus Finch in the movie version of To Kill a Mockingbird. I always expected that if Walt Kelly were to draw him, he'd make him a jackal.

It was a pleasure to vote against him. Well, sort of nerve-wracking: what if he'd won? I meant to steal one of his yard signs after it was over, as a souvenir of the guy who had nothing but contempt for the institution he was trying to join.

Xopher finds more comment spam. ::: (view all by) ::: June 10, 2004, 02:53 PM:

Shields are down, Captain...