Ellen Bertram

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• Alternate birth: Aft 1340
• Alternate death: 24 Sep 1403

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Or Helen.

Family/Spouse: Robert de Ogle. Robert (son of Robert de Ogle and Isabel de Fernielaw) was born about 1331; died in Nov 1355 in Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Robert Ogle was born on 8 Dec 1351 in Callerton, Castle Ward, Northumberland, England; was christened on 8 Oct 1353 in Ponteland, Northumberland, England; died on 31 Oct 1409 in Ogle, Castle Ward, Northumberland, England; was buried in Hexham Priory, Northumberland, England.

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• Alternate death: 21 Nov 1363

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Joint Sheriff of Northumberland 1343-44. Was thanked for his bravery at Neville's Cross.

Robert married Margaret de Felton before 11 May 1328. Margaret (daughter of William de Felton and Constance) died after May 1341. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: 1334

Robert married Agnes. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Bef 11 May 1328

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Constable of Beaumaris, Roxburgh, and Linlithgow. Sheriff of Northumberland 1312; constable of Bamburgh 1316. Fought at the battle of Falkirk, 22 June 1298.

He was married twice, first to Constance de Pontop and second to another woman named Constance whose origins are unknown. John Watson (citation details below) has shown that his daughter Margaret who married Robert Bertram was a daughter of the second Constance.

William married Constance after 1300. Constance died before 5 Apr 1327. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Roger married Alice Gubium. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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A History of Northumberland, Volume XII, by Madeleine Hope Dodds (1926, citation details below) gives this Robert de Felton as a son of a "John l'Estrange of Litcham, Norfolk". Chris Phillips is dubious:

From: "Chris Phillips"
Subject: Early Feltons (was: The Grey sisters of Heton)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:13:30 +0100

[quoting his own post of 17 June]

> The vol. 12 pedigree also shows a father for Robert and William:
> "Robert (of Felton), to whom his father granted in 1260/1 half
> the manor of Litcham, saving the manor house" [citing Eyton,
> Shropshire, vol.x, p.274]. Robert has a sister "Alice, to whom
> her father granted half the manor of Litcham and the advowson."
> The father of Robert and Alice is shown as "John L'Estrange of
> Litcham, Norfolk" [citing the Hunter Blair article, p.76].

A bit more searching shows that this suggestion, that the father of William and Robert de Felton was Robert, son of John Lestrange, is actually rather a bizarre one.

The text accompanying the "revision" of the pedigree in the History of Northumberland turns out to be lifted, more or less word-for-word, from the article by Hunter Blair in Archaeologia Aeliana, 3rd series, vol.20. The basis of the claim is:

(1) that on heraldic evidence the Feltons of Northumberland were closely connected, "either by blood or by marriage" with the Stranges of Knockin, and that "therefore they took their name from Felton (now West Felton) near that place".

(2) John L'Estrange about 1260/1 gave his daughter Alice half his manor of Litcham, Norfolk, with the advowson of the church, and the other half to his son Robert [citing Eyton, vol.10, p.274, a reference I haven't seen]. Hunter Blair continues "It seems to me either that Robert was surnamed of Felton, which appears the more probable, or else that Alice had married a Felton, of which I can find no proof."

What makes this bizarre is that, as far as I can see, the John L'Estrange who made a grant to his son Robert and daughter Alice about 1260/1 -- if that date's correct -- must have been John Lestrange III of Knockin (d. bef. 26 March 1269)* [Complete Peerage, vol.12, pt 1, pp.350,351].

[* John Lestrange II was already dead, and the son and heir of John Lestrange IV was not born until around 1254.]

John Lestrange III did have a son Robert (d. on or before 12 October 1276) [CP vol.12, pt 1, p.341], but this Robert is well documented as the ancestor of the Lords Strange of Blackmere. He was succeeded first by his son John (d. 1289), then by another son Fulk (b. c.1267). I can't see any indication that Robert called himself "Robert de Felton", or that he had sons called Robert or William.

Instead, the Complete Peerage explains the Strange connection by saying that Robert, the presumed elder brother of William de Felton, married Hawise (elsewhere called Maud), a daughter of John Lestrange IV [CP vol.5, p.290]. The later inquisition post mortem of Thomas de Felton (1381) is abstracted by CP as "the only authority for the pedigree", and says that John Lestrange gave the manor of Litcham to Robert de Felton and Maud his wife, and their heirs male (with reversion to the Stranges), and that Roger Lestrange in 1381 was s and h of Roger, s and h of John, s and h of John, s and h of the John who made the gift - that sequence implies the gift was made by John IV.

The CP scheme looks reasonable enough, although from the CP account it looks as though there's nothing in the sources to specify Hawise's relationship to the John Lestrange who made the grant. It is a bit odd that Robert's wife is called Hawise in the contemporary records but Maud in Thomas's inquisition post mortem. The other point is that It would leave the Feltons of Edlingham without a descent from the Stranges, so the similarity of the Felton and Strange coats of arms would have to be explained by the Feltons being tenants, rather than descendants of the Stranges.

Apart from that, the only clue to the Feltons' ancestry I've seen is provided by Blomefield (Norfolk, vol.10, p.10), who says that the Robert who held Litcham in the 1290s was presumably the same man who was knighted with the Prince of Wales about the same time, who was described as "Robert, son of Robert, son of Pagan". This seems to be connected with the extracts from the Dictionary of National Biography, quoted by Ian Fettes, according to which the common ancestor was "Pagan of Upper Felton, Northumberland" (though the Strange link indicates West Felton in Shropshire as the place of origin). However, if I've understood correctly, according to the DNB, Robert and William (usually assumed to be brothers) were first cousins, the sons of William and Robert respectively, who were the sons of Pagan. Obviously more information is required to sort this out.

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Update: In Octpber 2016, John Watson conjectured from heraldic and property evidence that this Robert de Felton married a Maud le Strange, daughter of John le Strange and Joan de Somery, and that Maud was the mother of this Robert's son William. Following Watson's hypothesis entails adding only Maud and her parents to this database; if Watson is mistaken, TNH is still descended from all four of Maud's grandparents along other lines.

Robert married Maud le Strange. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Bef 10 Feb 1303

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Fought against Llewelyn in 1277. Knight of the shire for Northumberland in 1290.

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• Alternate death: 1275
• Alternate death: Bef 20 Nov 1275

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Drowned in the Severn, on horseback.

John married Joan de Somery about 1253. Joan (daughter of Roger de Somery and Nichole d'Aubigny) died in 1282 in Knockin, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Between 28 Oct 1264 and 27 Oct 1265

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Hodgson's History of Northumberland calls him "Robert."

"He was probably one of the barons who rebelled against Henry III and marched against him, for he seems to have become pecuniarily embarrassed and quit-claimed to the monks of St. Alary's, Newminster, the rent they were accustomed to pay for the Forum, they having given him five marks in his great necessity, and his mother quitclaimed to them her dower due from the same place." [Ogle and Bothal, citation details below.]

"His namesake, Roger Betram of Bothal, being now dead (shortly before 27 July 1262--Fine Roll, 26 Hen. III, m. 6), the addition [to his surname] 'de Mitford' was no longer necessary." [Complete Peerage II:160, note (i) to the entry on Sir Roger Bertram of Mitford.]

Roger married Laderma. Laderma died after 28 Oct 1264. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1190

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Constable of Montgomery Castle 1236; Sheriff of Shropshire and Staffordshire 1236; Justiciar of Chester 1240.

"John Lestrange III, son and heir. In 1213 he attended upon the King to pay a debt on behalf of his father, and in 1214 he was serving in Poitou. In 1219 he was conducting an enquiry into forest matters at Shrewsbury. In 1225 he was directed to assist in conducting to Gloucester the fifteenth collected in Staffs and Salop. On 25 May 1231 the King granted to him and his heirs the manor of Wrockwardine. In 1232, and frequently thereafter, he was appointed to see that the truce with Llewelin was observed on both sides. In 1235 he was Constable of Montgomery. On 24 October 1236 he was appointed Sheriff of Salop and Staffs. Late in 1240 or early in 1241 he was appointed Justice of Chester. In 1248 he was about to go on pilgrimage to Pontigny. In 1249 he had a grant to himself and his heirs of a market and fair at Knockin. In March 1257/8 and again in August 1260 he was summoned to Chester, in October 1261 to London, and in January 1262/3 to Hereford and in May to Worcester, in connection with the disturbances in Wales. He is said to have married Lucy, daughter of Robert Tregoz. He died before 26 March 1269." [Complete Peerage XII-1:350-1]

John married Lucy de Tregoz. Lucy (daughter of Robert de Tregoz and Sibyl de Ewyas) died after 1294. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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"He [John Lestrange] is said to have married Lucy, daughter of Robert Tregoz." [Complete Peerage XII/1:350-1]

CP uses the "is said to have married" formulation, above. Richardson's Royal Ancestry, in the entry TREGOZ 3 (Sir Robert de Tregoz m. Juliane de Cantelowe), says "they had one son, John, Knt. [Lord Tregoz], and allegedly one daughter, Lucy (said to be wife of John le Strange, of Knockin, Shropshire." But having her be the daughter of that particular Robert de Tregoz doesn't work chronologically at all; this alleged Tregoz descent is only plausible if we make her the daughter of his father, Robert de Tregoz who m. Sibyl de Ewyas.

(Note that AR8 shows this Lucy's parentage the same way we do.)

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• Alternate death: 1272
• Alternate death: Bef 27 Aug 1273

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Fought at Evesham on the King's side, according to the CP entry on his son-in-law Ralph Basset. Earlier, according to The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, he was taken prisoner with the King at the battle of Lewes.

Roger married Nichole d'Aubigny before 22 Nov 1232. Nichole (daughter of William d'Aubigny and Mabel of Chester) was born in of Barrow-on-Soar, Leicestershire, England; died about 1240. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Bef 20 Jan 1247

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Also called Colette.