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John de St. John

Male - Bef 1316


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  John de St. John was born in of Lageham, Surrey, England (son of Roger de St. John); died before 27 Jun 1316.

    Notes:

    Summoned to Parliament by writ, 29 Dec 1299 1 16 Aug 1315. In 1300 he was first commissioner in Oxfordshire to inquire into breaches of Magna Carta.

    Family/Spouse: Margaret. Margaret died before 1316. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Nicholas de St. John was born between 1276 and 1286.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Roger de St. John was born between 1215 and 1222 (son of John de St. John and Emma); died on 4 Aug 1265 in Evesham, Worcestershire, England.

    Notes:

    Slain at Evesham fighting on the side of Simon de Montfort.

    Children:
    1. 1. John de St. John was born in of Lageham, Surrey, England; died before 27 Jun 1316.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  John de St. John was born before 1196 (son of Roger de St. John and Cecily de Lucy); died before 23 Jan 1230.

    John married Emma. Emma died after Nov 1265. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Emma died after Nov 1265.
    Children:
    1. 2. Roger de St. John was born between 1215 and 1222; died on 4 Aug 1265 in Evesham, Worcestershire, England.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Roger de St. John (son of John de St. John); died before Jun 1214.

    Roger married Cecily de Lucy. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Cecily de Lucy (daughter of Reynold de Lucy and Amabel Fitz William).
    Children:
    1. 4. John de St. John was born before 1196; died before 23 Jan 1230.


Generation: 5

  1. 16.  John de St. John was born between 1149 and 1153.

    Notes:

    He was a supporter of the Empress during the civil war.

    Children:
    1. 8. Roger de St. John died before Jun 1214.

  2. 18.  Reynold de Lucy (son of Richard de Lucy and Rohese de Boulogne); died about Jan 1199.

    Notes:

    "Reynold de Lucy, ancestor of this family, was probably a near kinsman of the great justiciar Richard de Luci. He was associated with the county of Cumberland as early as 1158. From 1168 to 1175 he was in charge of the Honour of Peverel of Nottingham; and was keeper of Nottingham Castle when it was taken and burnt by Earl Ferrers in the rebellion of 1174. In 1181 he was in Ivry. In 1187, he escorted Henry II's granddaughter, daughter of Henry the Lion of Saxony, from Southampton to the Continent. He was present at the Coronation of Richard I in September 1189." [Complete Peerage]

    That Reynold / Reginald de Lucy was a son of Richard de Lucy the justiciar has been shown by Rosie Bevan and Peter G. M. Dale in their paper "Reginald de Lucy, Son of Richard de Lucy, King's Justiciar: New Perspectives" (citation details below), in which they transcribe a copy of the original charter of gift by Richard de Lucy to the church of Holy Trinity, London of 20 shillings rent from his vill of Newington, Kent, for the soul of his wife Rose, witnesses to which include "Geoffrey de Lucy and Reginald his brother." This copy was "found in a folio entitled A Collection of Deeds and Seals comprising copies of charters and seals commissioned by the English antiquary, Elias Ashmole", and the authors carefully document its provenance and connection to the original, which probably perished in the fire in Elias Ashmole's rooms in Middle Temple in 1679.

    Bevan and Dale also opine that the 1199 death date given for Reginald / Reynold de Lucy may actually be that of his son Reginald, and that this Reginald may have died earlier.

    Reynold married Amabel Fitz William before 1162. Amabel (daughter of William Fitz Duncan and Alice de Rumilly) died before 1201. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 19.  Amabel Fitz William (daughter of William Fitz Duncan and Alice de Rumilly); died before 1201.

    Notes:

    Lady of Copeland.

    Children:
    1. Richard de Lucy was born in of Egremont, Cumberland, England; died in 1213; was buried in St Bees Priory, Cumberland, England.
    2. Cecily de Lucy died after 1230.
    3. 9. Cecily de Lucy


Generation: 6

  1. 36.  Richard de Lucy was born between 1105 and 1110 in Luce, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France (son of Aveline Goth); died on 14 Jul 1179 in Lesnes Abbey, Kent, England; was buried in Lesnes Abbey, Kent, England.

    Notes:

    Or de Luci; de Lusci; de Luscy. Called "The Loyal."

    Sheriff of Essex, 1154; Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire, 1155-1157; Chief Justice of England under Henry II.

    Died as a cloister member, having resigned his office after Easter 1179.

    Richard married Rohese de Boulogne between 1130 and 1135. Rohese (daughter of William of Boulogne) was born in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England; died before 30 May 1151; was buried in Holy Trinity Church, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 37.  Rohese de Boulogne was born in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England (daughter of William of Boulogne); died before 30 May 1151; was buried in Holy Trinity Church, London, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1153

    Notes:

    "Richard de Lucy's only known wife was Rose, who died sometime before Queen Maud's death in 1152. Queen Maud and her son and heir, Eustace, witnessed a notification by Richard that he had, 'granted to the canons of Holy Trinity, London, in frank almoin, 20s. yearly rent from Niweton [Newington] for the soul of Roheis his wife, who is buried in their church...'" ["A Rose by Any Other Name: Another Daughter of Richard de Lucy," citation details below. Notwithstanding this, King Stephen's wife Maud actually died in 1151.]

    Children:
    1. Alice de Lucy died before 1219.
    2. Maud de Lucy was born in of Diss, Norfolk, England; died after 1170.
    3. Aveline de Lucy died before 1219.
    4. Godfrey de Lucy
    5. 18. Reynold de Lucy died about Jan 1199.
    6. Rose de Lucy
    7. Geoffrey de Lucy was born in of Newington, Kent, England; died before 1179.

  3. 38.  William Fitz Duncan (son of Duncan II Canmore, King of Scotland and Athelreda of Dunbar); died before 1154.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1154

    William married Alice de Rumilly before 1138. Alice (daughter of William Meschin and Cecily de Rumilly) was born in of Skipton-in-Craven, Yorkshire, England; died in 1187. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 39.  Alice de Rumilly was born in of Skipton-in-Craven, Yorkshire, England (daughter of William Meschin and Cecily de Rumilly); died in 1187.

    Notes:

    Lady of Skipton.

    Children:
    1. 19. Amabel Fitz William died before 1201.