John de St. John

Family/Spouse: Emma. Emma died after Nov 1265. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Roger de St. John was born between 1215 and 1222; died on 4 Aug 1265 in Evesham, Worcestershire, England.

Roger married Cecily de Lucy. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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He was a supporter of the Empress during the civil war.

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"Reynold de Lucy, ancestor of this family, was probably a near kinsman of the great justiciar Richard de Luci. He was associated with the county of Cumberland as early as 1158. From 1168 to 1175 he was in charge of the Honour of Peverel of Nottingham; and was keeper of Nottingham Castle when it was taken and burnt by Earl Ferrers in the rebellion of 1174. In 1181 he was in Ivry. In 1187, he escorted Henry II's granddaughter, daughter of Henry the Lion of Saxony, from Southampton to the Continent. He was present at the Coronation of Richard I in September 1189." [Complete Peerage]

That Reynold / Reginald de Lucy was a son of Richard de Lucy the justiciar has been shown by Rosie Bevan and Peter G. M. Dale in their paper "Reginald de Lucy, Son of Richard de Lucy, King's Justiciar: New Perspectives" (citation details below), in which they transcribe a copy of the original charter of gift by Richard de Lucy to the church of Holy Trinity, London of 20 shillings rent from his vill of Newington, Kent, for the soul of his wife Rose, witnesses to which include "Geoffrey de Lucy and Reginald his brother." This copy was "found in a folio entitled A Collection of Deeds and Seals comprising copies of charters and seals commissioned by the English antiquary, Elias Ashmole", and the authors carefully document its provenance and connection to the original, which probably perished in the fire in Elias Ashmole's rooms in Middle Temple in 1679.

Bevan and Dale also opine that the 1199 death date given for Reginald / Reynold de Lucy may actually be that of his son Reginald, and that this Reginald may have died earlier.

Reynold married Amabel Fitz William before 1162. Amabel (daughter of William Fitz Duncan and Alice de Rumilly) died before 1201. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Lady of Copeland.

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Or de Luci; de Lusci; de Luscy. Called "The Loyal."

Sheriff of Essex, 1154; Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire, 1155-1157; Chief Justice of England under Henry II.

Died as a cloister member, having resigned his office after Easter 1179.

Richard married Rohese de Boulogne between 1130 and 1135. Rohese (daughter of William of Boulogne) was born in of Carshalton, Epsom, Surrey, England; died before 30 May 1151; was buried in Holy Trinity Church, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Bef 1153

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"Richard de Lucy's only known wife was Rose, who died sometime before Queen Maud's death in 1152. Queen Maud and her son and heir, Eustace, witnessed a notification by Richard that he had, 'granted to the canons of Holy Trinity, London, in frank almoin, 20s. yearly rent from Niweton [Newington] for the soul of Roheis his wife, who is buried in their church...'" ["A Rose by Any Other Name: Another Daughter of Richard de Lucy," citation details below. Notwithstanding this, King Stephen's wife Maud actually died in 1151.]

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• Alternate death: 1154

William married Alice de Rumilly before 1138. Alice (daughter of William Meschin and Cecily de Rumilly) was born in of Skipton-in-Craven, Yorkshire, England; died in 1187. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Lady of Skipton.

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• Alternate birth: 1078, Normandy, France

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"Kinswoman and co-heiress of William Goth." [Royal Ancestry]

"Sister of William Goth. The latter was an allodial lord along the River Sarthe, temp. William I." [Henry James Young, citation details below]

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• Alternate death: Abt 1159

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Killed in the battle of Monthechin.

Duncan married Athelreda of Dunbar about 1090. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Also called Ethelreda, Octreda.

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• Alternate death: Abt 1135

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"The most important member of a tightly knit family group was Ranulf's younger brother William le Meschin (d. 1129x35). William went on the first crusade, where he is mentioned, as 'William son of Ranulf le vicomte' at the siege of Nicaea in 1097 (Ordericus Vitalis, Eccl. hist., 5.59). In Cumbria William le Meschin was first given charge of Gilsland, which he failed to hold against the Scots, and then Egremont (the barony of Copeland). He built the castle at Egremont, and close by on the coast he founded the priory of St Bees, a further daughter house of St Mary's, York. William le Meschin married Cecily de Rumilly, the daughter of Robert de Rumilly and heir to the barony of Skipton in Craven, west Yorkshire, thus creating a substantial cross-Pennine estate. William and Cecily were the founders of the priory of Embsay, which later removed to Bolton in Wharfedale. In addition to the two baronies of Egremont and Skipton, William le Meschin acquired tenancies in several counties, the more significant held of his brother in Lincolnshire (where the Lindsey survey of 1115 - 18 provides detailed record) and in Cheshire. William remained closely linked with Ranulf, whom he survived by just a few years, dying before 1135. An elder son, Matthew, having predeceased him, William's heirs were successively his younger son, also called Ranulf le Meschin, and three sisters, Amice, Alice, and Matilda, who in the course of a total of seven marriages comprehensively dismembered the estate." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

"William le Meschin, Lord of Copeland, br. of Ranulph, 1st Earl of Chester, yr. s. of Rannulf, Vicomte of the Bessin, m. Cicely de Rumilly, Lady of Skipton, da. and h. of Robert de Rumelli, of Harewood and Skipton, co. York (see ped. of Lisle in vol. viii, between pp. 48 and 49), and had 3 daughters and coheirs. (1) Alice, Lady of Skipton, who m., 1stly, William fitz Duncan, s. of Duncan II, King of Scots. See Clay, Early Yorks Charters, vol. vii, pp. 9—10. They had one s., William, 'the Boy of Egremont', who d. in the King’s ward after 1155, leaving his 3 sisters his coheirs: (i) Cicely, as in the text; (ii) Amabel, Lady of Copeland (called in the Pipe Rolls and elsewhere, Comitissa de Couplanda, who m. Reynold de Lucy (see vol. iii, pp. 247-8, sub Lucy); (iii) Alice de Rumilly, Lady of Allerdale, who m., 1stly, Gilbert Pipard, Sheriff of cos. Gloucester and Hereford, and 2ndly, Robert de Courtenay, Sheriff of Cumberland and d. s.p. (see vol. ix, pp. 527-8, sub Pipard). Alice, Lady of Skipton, m. 2ndly, Alexander FitzGerold. (2) Avice, Lady of Harewood, who m., 1stly, William de Courcy III, 2ndly, William Paynell, of Drax, co. York, and 3rdly, William de Percy of Rougemont, in Harewood, co. York (see vol. x, p. 319, sub Paynel, and p. 439, sub Percy). (3) Maud, m. 1stly, Philip de Belmeis, of Tong, Salop., and 2ndly, Hugh de Mortimer, of Wigmore, co. Hereford (see vol. ix, p. 271, note sub Mortimer (of Wigmore), and vol. xii, part 2, pp. 930—1, sub Zouche.)" [Complete Peerage I:353, footnote (d), as thoroughly corrected in Volume XIV.]

William married Cecily de Rumilly. Cecily (daughter of Robert de Rumilly) was born in of Skipton, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: 1105

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Also called Geoffrey of Boulogne, and his descendants called themselves "of Boulogne". Although Kim Anderson's and Richard Joscelyne's "The Parentage of Geoffrey fitz Eustace (c. 1045-1105)" (Foundations 10:98, 2018) makes a plausible case that he was a legitimate son of Eustache II by his first wife, Godgifu, the consensus appears to remain that he was a son of Eustache by an undocumented mistress. Notably, Eustache II gave his own name to his first son by his second wife, Ida of Verdun, who was definitely younger than this Geoffrey.

Peter Stewart notes (SGM, 9 Feb 2023) that "Geoffrey of Carshalton named his son William (despite the child's maternal grandfather being also a Geoffrey), and William's son & heir was named Faramus. This pattern of extraneous names does not suggest nostalgia for a denied paternal heritage."

Was Godfrey the crusader the same Geoffrey that married Beatrice de Mandeville? This claim pops up in many places; people doing personal genealogical research are most likely to encounter it in David H. Kelley's essay in Ancestral Roots, eighth edition (line 158A). The short answer: No.

Both were sons of Eustace II, albeit by different mothers. The claim that they were a single person doesn't hold up. Todd A. Farmerie: "Murray's analysis takes the sole argument in favor of this connection, that the names Geoffrey and Godfrey were, at the time, synonymous, and shows it to be false. This leaves us with two men with the same father but different names, ending up in different places and conflicting family histories -- one with documented children, the other remembered as unmarried and childless -- without the slightest reason to suggest that they were anything but siblings other than personal preference." Additionally, Boulogne and Bouillon are completely different places. Godfrey/Geoffrey's Boulogne is the one on the north coast of France, now called Boulogne-sur-Mer. The region surrounding it, Boulonnais, became an earldom in the ninth century and was later brought to the crown of England by Maud of Boulogne's marriage to Stephen of Blois.

Geoffrey married Beatrice de Mandeville before 1084. Beatrice (daughter of Geoffrey I de Mandeville and Adeliza de Balts) was born in of Rycote, Oxfordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate birth: 1031
• Alternate birth: Abt 1031

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King of the Cumbrians; King of Scots.

Also called Mael Coluim mac Donnchada.

"In 1057 various chroniclers report the death of Macbeth at Malcolm's hand, on 15 August 1057 at Lumphanan in Aberdeenshire." [Wikipedia]

"He defeated and killed Macbeth, King of Scots at Lunfanen, 15 Aug 1057." [Royal Ancestry]

"MALCOLM III, King of Scots, was killed by Morel of Banborough at Alnwick, Northumberland 13 Nov. 1093. He was initially buried at Tyenmouth, but his son, King Alexander I, later removed his body to Dunfermline, Fife." [Royal Ancestry]

Malcolm married Ingibjorg Finnsdottir. Ingibjorg (daughter of Finn Arnesson and Bergljot Halvdansdottir) died before 1058. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Bef 1070

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Also called Ingebiorg of Orkney.

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• Alternate birth: Between 1040 and 1048
• Alternate death: Abt 1075

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Earl of Northumberland; Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale. Visited Rome, 1061.

"Gospatric, earl of Northumbria (d. 1073x5), magnate, was the son of Maldred, whose father, Crinan, named in one source as Crinan 'the thegn', is usually identified with the lay abbot of Dunkeld of that name, who was father of Duncan I, king of Scots, and was killed in battle in 1045. That identification cannot be regarded as certain, but there is no doubt that Maldred was a man of high status, who married Ealdgyth, the daughter of Earl Uhtred of Northumbria and his wife, Ælfgifu, daughter of King Æthelred II, and that Ealdgyth was Gospatric's mother." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

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Sometimes also called Ranulph le Meschin, but that seems to have originally been applied to his son, as "meschin" means "younger" or "junior." Vicomte de Bessin; Count of Bayeux.

"The Bessin is an area in Normandy, France, corresponding to the territory of the Bajocasses tribe of Gaul who also gave their name to the city of Bayeux, central town of the Bessin. [...] The Bessin corresponds to the former diocese of Bayeux, which was incorporated into the Calvados département following the French Revolution." [Wikipedia]

Ranulph married Margaret d'Avranches. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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The ODNB calls her "Matilda, daughter of Richard, vicomte of the Avranchin."

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Also spelled Romelli, Rumelli, etc.