Robert Ogle

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Between 1379 and 1383
• Alternate birth: Abt 1380
• Alternate birth: Abt 1383, of Ogle, Castle Ward, Northumberland, England
• Alternate death: Abt 1437

Notes:

Knight of the shire for Northumberland, 1419-21, 1425, and 1435.

Sheriff of Norhamshire 1403; Sheriff of Northumberland 1417-18; Constable of Berwick-upon-Tweed, Norham, Roxburgh, and Wark Castle; Steward of the Bishop of Durham's liberty of Norhamshire and Islandshire. Knighted about 1410.

"[Robert Ogle who d. 1409] settled on his second son, John, the Bertram barony of Bothal, being his grandmother's inheritance. This was disputed by the elder brother, Robert [b. abt 1383], who, after their father's death in 1409, laid siege to Bothal Castle with 200 armed men and archers and captured it. John petitioned in parliament for restitution and recovered possession. The barony remained in his family until a failure of male heirs in the 1470s, when it reverted to the senior line." [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]

"In 1419, the castle of Wark, being then in his charge, was taken by William Halliburton, and the garrison put to the sword, but it was retaken by Sir Robert Ogle who led a party into the castle by means of a drain, and the Scots were put to death for their cruelty to the English. The Scotch account says this was an act of treachery, for while they were treating for peace ladders were placed at the back of the castle by which they entered and killed twenty-three noble Scotchmen with many others. He was then still a member of Parliament and had commissions to make redress of all trespasses against the tenor of the truce." [Ogle and Bothal, citation details below.]

Robert Ogle (1379-1436) = Maud Gray
Robert Ogle (d. 1469) = Isabelle Kirkby (d. 1477)
Owen Ogle (d. 1487) = Eleanor Hilton
Ralph Ogle (d. 1513) = Margaret Gascoigne
Anne Ogle (b. 1509) = John Delaval (1512-1572)
Robert Delaval (1542-1607) = Dorothy Grey (1554-1591)
John Delaval (1590-1652) = Elizabeth Selby
George Delaval (1613-1694) = Margaret Grey (d. 1709)
Edward Delaval (1664-1744) = Mary Blake (1664-1711)
Anne Delaval (1692-1765) = Ralph Milbanke (d. 1745)
Ralph Milbanke (1725-1793) = Elizabeth Hedworth (1726-1767)
Ralph Milbanke (1748-1825) = Judith Noel (1751-1822)
Anne Noel-Byron, 11th Baron Wentworth (1792-1860) = George Gordon, Lord Byron (1788-1824)
Ada King, Countess of Lovelace (Ada Lovelace) (1815-1852)

Robert married Maud Gray about 21 May 1399. Maud (daughter of Thomas III Gray and Joan Mowbray) was born in of Heaton Castle, Wark-on-Tweed, Northumberland, England; died after 22 Aug 1451. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Elizabeth Ogle

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Bef 8 Oct 1353, Callerton, Castle Ward, Northumberland, England
• Alternate death: 31 Oct 1410

Notes:

From Ogle and Bothal, citation details below:

In 1388, James, earl of Douglas, suddenly entered England and advanced as far as Brancepeth in Durham. Ou returning he lay three days before Newcastle, during which several skirmishes took place. The Scots then marched to Ponteland, took the castle there and then marched on to Otterburn where they encamped and entrenched themselves. The English, under Sir Henry Percy, surnamed Hotspur, after a forced march of thirty-six hours, attacked them on the 19th of August; Sir Henry had divided his forces into two parts, one was to attack, and the other, under Sir Maurice, called Sir Maw with the Red Mane, and Sir Robert Ogle, was to chase. Just however, as the English had carelessly thought they had gained a victory they were charged by the earl of Douglas, who fell, but the Scots rallying defeated the English, Sir Henry Percy and his brother, Sir Robert Ogle, and many others being taken prisoners. Sir Robert Angle of Bothal and Ogle, as he has been called, is described in the ballad of the battle as follows: —

The felde was his all yf yt he were take
The Vmfrevyle, Grey, Ogle and Redmayne
Held the felde hole yt might so for his sake
And knew nothyng witherwarde he was gayn.

From Complete Peerage X:26-7:

Sir Robert de Ogle, knight, grandson and heir, being son and heir of Robert de Ogle and Ellen Bertram, was born at Callerton, and baptised at Ponteland, 8 December 1353. Having sued his mother in Chancery in 1373 for his maintenance for 5 years, he proved his age in 1374, and had a writ of livery of the lands of his paternal grandfather and grandmother 4 February 1374/5. In January 1375/6 he had licence for divine service in the oratory in the chapel near Ogle Castle. He served under Sir Thomas de Felton in the expedition to Brittany in 1380, and was knighted before 12 March 1385/6. He took part in the battle of Otterburn in August 1388, and was appointed on various commissions in Northumberland in 1392. In 1393 he indented as Keeper of Berwick and the East March, 30 April to May. With his wife Joan he had an indult, December 1396, for a portable altar, and in February 1397/8 was chief commissioner to audit the accounts of the officials of Waldby, late Archbishop of York, who died deeply in debt to the King. He was one of six summoned from Northumberland to attend the King in Council at Westminster on 16 August 1401. He married, before 6 September 1372, Joan, 3rd daughter and coheir of Sir Alan de Heton. He died 31 October 1409 (j). His widow died 12 October 1416.

(j) Writ dated 8 Nov 1409; inquisition made 17 Apr following. On the other hand, his M.I. at Hexham; and--depicting the arms--and his will, dated there 7 Feb "1410", respectively show his death in 1410 and 1411, modern style. He desired to be buried at Whalton, but was actually interred at Hexham. He had younger sons: (i) John, upon whom, taking the name of Bertram, Bothal was settled by his grandmother, and, after her death, by his father, Feb 1405/6; (ii) Alexander, upon whom his father and mother settled the Hepple inheritance. Alexander predeceased his mother (dspm). Robert made a settlement on his daughters Margery and Elizabeth as early as 29 Sep 1374. A daughter called Margaret (query the said Margery) m. Robert, son of Nicholas de Raymes.

Robert married Joan Heton before 6 Sep 1372. Joan (daughter of Alan Heton) was born about 1358 in Chillingham, Glendale, Northumberland, England; died on 12 Oct 1416. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1362

Notes:

According to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, his mother was his father's second wife Isabel de Fernielaw, not Joan Hepple as stated in several sources.

From Complete Peerage X:26:

Robert de Ogle, son and heir apparent by 1st wife. As "donsel" of the diocese of Durham he had licence to choose a confessor, August 1349. In August 1351 he was attorney for his father to take seisin of Thirnham. He married Ellen, daughter and heir of Sir Robert Bertram, of Bothal, chivaler, by his 1st wife, Margaret (living in May 1341), daughter and coheir of Constance, wife of William de Felton (f). He died v.p., being slain in the attack on Berwick, November 1355.

(f) Ellen's age is stated variously in the inquisitions of her father, Nov 1363, as 22 or 26.

Robert married Ellen Bertram. Ellen (daughter of Robert V Bertram and Margaret de Felton) was born after 1336 in of Bothal Demesne, Morpeth, Northumberland, England; died between 29 Jul 1403 and 29 Sep 1406. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Aft 1340
• Alternate death: 24 Sep 1403

Notes:

Or Helen.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: of Chillingham, Glendale, Northumberland, England

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 1306, Ogle, Castle Ward, Northumberland, England

Notes:

From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

"[H]ead of a Northumberland family that had held Ogle in the barony of Whalton since the mid-twelfth century. Because for seven generations the eldest son was named Robert there are difficulties attributing exploits to the correct individual. Robert Ogle or his father, Robert (b. c. 1280), acted as messenger for stocking Mitford Castle in August 1318. Similarly one or other was pardoned in 1329 by Edward III for acts committed in the late rebellion (of Henry, earl of Lancaster). [...]

In 1335 he was a commissioner of array both in Northumberland and in the regalian liberty of Hexhamshire, where he was bailiff. This was revoked in May in respect of Newcastle, where the community had agreed with the king to serve at sea against the Scots. Meanwhile Robert was amassing land throughout the county. In May 1341 Edward III granted him as 'king's yeoman' licence to crenellate his house at Ogle, with free warren in all his demesnes. The same year he was one of the commissioners to assess and levy the ninth in Northumberland. Whether he was responsible for an assault on the army of David II, king of Scots, that was laying siege to Newcastle in November 1341, has been doubted. In May 1344 he was commissioned to array the men of Northumberland against the Scots, renewed in April 1345.

It may have been this Robert Ogle, or more likely his son with Isabel Fernielaw, Robert (III), who participated in the defence of Cumberland in 1345 with the bishop of Carlisle and Sir Thomas Lucy, and served as seneschal of Annandale for William de Bohun, earl of Northampton and constable of Lochmaben. It was the elder Robert who was thanked by Edward III for his part in the battle of Neville's Cross on 17 October 1346 and commissioned to bring down to the Tower of London Scottish prisoners captured there. These included the earl of Fife, Henry Rameseye, and Thomas Boyd, whom he was reputed to have captured personally. Conjointly with Robert Bertram, father-in-law to his son, he was also to deliver John Douglas, brother to the earl. [...] On 10 December 1346 Robert Ogle senior was ordered to attend a council at Westminster to consider business concerning the state of England and war in Scotland.

In 1355 he was in charge of Berwick, under Lord Greystoke, where his son, Robert, was killed in the attack whereby the Scots captured the town but not the castle.

Robert married Isabel de Fernielaw. Isabel was born in of Fairnley, Northumberland, England; died before 10 May 1331. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

According to an email from John Watson quoted on Jim Weber's site, Isabel de Fernielaw -- who is given in CP merely as "sister of John de Fernielaw" -- was probably also a sister of Thomas de Fernielaw, Chancellor of York, and all three siblings were probably the issue of one Robert de Fernielaw.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 21 Nov 1363

Notes:

Joint Sheriff of Northumberland 1343-44. Was thanked for his bravery at Neville's Cross.

Robert married Margaret de Felton before 11 May 1328. Margaret (daughter of William de Felton and Constance) died after May 1341. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

One of the captors of Sir Gilbert Middleton, sometime after 14 Dec 1317, for which he received a royal grant of 50 marks a year until the king should grant him some of the lands now forfeited by Middleton. These grants were completed by late 1318, sometime after 5 Sep.

Received license to crenallete Chillingham, 1344.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 1295

Notes:

Possibly died of the plague, which raged at Hexham in that year.

Robert married Margaret Gubium about 1305. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1334

Robert married Agnes. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 11 May 1328

Notes:

Constable of Beaumaris, Roxburgh, and Linlithgow. Sheriff of Northumberland 1312; constable of Bamburgh 1316. Fought at the battle of Falkirk, 22 June 1298.

He was married twice, first to Constance de Pontop and second to another woman named Constance whose origins are unknown. John Watson (citation details below) has shown that his daughter Margaret who married Robert Bertram was a daughter of the second Constance.

William married Constance after 1300. Constance died before 5 Apr 1327. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

"Sir John de Oggill was leagued with the rebel barons against Henry III, and so was probably at the siege of Northampton and the battles of Lewes and Evesham, and, according to an escheat of 49 Henry III., his lands were 'extended' (?). He, however, soon recovered his estates, which, whilst his father was alive, could not have been great, ancl moreover he and Gilbert de Oggill were, 51 Henry III, jurors upon an inquest taken at Stannington, respecting lands forfeited in this county by the celebrated Simon de Montfort, earl of Leicester, the leader in the revolt, and he was then a knight, as also in the same king's reign, when he, Sir John Widdrington, and Sir Hugh Gubium witnessed a charter at Ellington, and he also appears as a witness in 1272 concerning Whittonstal." [Ogle and Bothal, citation details below.]

John married Annabella Selby. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Sheriff of Northumberland in 1294.

Hugh married Joan Morrell. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Roger married Alice Gubium. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

A History of Northumberland, Volume XII, by Madeleine Hope Dodds (1926, citation details below) gives this Robert de Felton as a son of a "John l'Estrange of Litcham, Norfolk". Chris Phillips is dubious:

From: "Chris Phillips"
Subject: Early Feltons (was: The Grey sisters of Heton)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:13:30 +0100

[quoting his own post of 17 June]

> The vol. 12 pedigree also shows a father for Robert and William:
> "Robert (of Felton), to whom his father granted in 1260/1 half
> the manor of Litcham, saving the manor house" [citing Eyton,
> Shropshire, vol.x, p.274]. Robert has a sister "Alice, to whom
> her father granted half the manor of Litcham and the advowson."
> The father of Robert and Alice is shown as "John L'Estrange of
> Litcham, Norfolk" [citing the Hunter Blair article, p.76].

A bit more searching shows that this suggestion, that the father of William and Robert de Felton was Robert, son of John Lestrange, is actually rather a bizarre one.

The text accompanying the "revision" of the pedigree in the History of Northumberland turns out to be lifted, more or less word-for-word, from the article by Hunter Blair in Archaeologia Aeliana, 3rd series, vol.20. The basis of the claim is:

(1) that on heraldic evidence the Feltons of Northumberland were closely connected, "either by blood or by marriage" with the Stranges of Knockin, and that "therefore they took their name from Felton (now West Felton) near that place".

(2) John L'Estrange about 1260/1 gave his daughter Alice half his manor of Litcham, Norfolk, with the advowson of the church, and the other half to his son Robert [citing Eyton, vol.10, p.274, a reference I haven't seen]. Hunter Blair continues "It seems to me either that Robert was surnamed of Felton, which appears the more probable, or else that Alice had married a Felton, of which I can find no proof."

What makes this bizarre is that, as far as I can see, the John L'Estrange who made a grant to his son Robert and daughter Alice about 1260/1 -- if that date's correct -- must have been John Lestrange III of Knockin (d. bef. 26 March 1269)* [Complete Peerage, vol.12, pt 1, pp.350,351].

[* John Lestrange II was already dead, and the son and heir of John Lestrange IV was not born until around 1254.]

John Lestrange III did have a son Robert (d. on or before 12 October 1276) [CP vol.12, pt 1, p.341], but this Robert is well documented as the ancestor of the Lords Strange of Blackmere. He was succeeded first by his son John (d. 1289), then by another son Fulk (b. c.1267). I can't see any indication that Robert called himself "Robert de Felton", or that he had sons called Robert or William.

Instead, the Complete Peerage explains the Strange connection by saying that Robert, the presumed elder brother of William de Felton, married Hawise (elsewhere called Maud), a daughter of John Lestrange IV [CP vol.5, p.290]. The later inquisition post mortem of Thomas de Felton (1381) is abstracted by CP as "the only authority for the pedigree", and says that John Lestrange gave the manor of Litcham to Robert de Felton and Maud his wife, and their heirs male (with reversion to the Stranges), and that Roger Lestrange in 1381 was s and h of Roger, s and h of John, s and h of John, s and h of the John who made the gift - that sequence implies the gift was made by John IV.

The CP scheme looks reasonable enough, although from the CP account it looks as though there's nothing in the sources to specify Hawise's relationship to the John Lestrange who made the grant. It is a bit odd that Robert's wife is called Hawise in the contemporary records but Maud in Thomas's inquisition post mortem. The other point is that It would leave the Feltons of Edlingham without a descent from the Stranges, so the similarity of the Felton and Strange coats of arms would have to be explained by the Feltons being tenants, rather than descendants of the Stranges.

Apart from that, the only clue to the Feltons' ancestry I've seen is provided by Blomefield (Norfolk, vol.10, p.10), who says that the Robert who held Litcham in the 1290s was presumably the same man who was knighted with the Prince of Wales about the same time, who was described as "Robert, son of Robert, son of Pagan". This seems to be connected with the extracts from the Dictionary of National Biography, quoted by Ian Fettes, according to which the common ancestor was "Pagan of Upper Felton, Northumberland" (though the Strange link indicates West Felton in Shropshire as the place of origin). However, if I've understood correctly, according to the DNB, Robert and William (usually assumed to be brothers) were first cousins, the sons of William and Robert respectively, who were the sons of Pagan. Obviously more information is required to sort this out.

*****

Update: In Octpber 2016, John Watson conjectured from heraldic and property evidence that this Robert de Felton married a Maud le Strange, daughter of John le Strange and Joan de Somery, and that Maud was the mother of this Robert's son William. Following Watson's hypothesis entails adding only Maud and her parents to this database; if Watson is mistaken, TNH is still descended from all four of Maud's grandparents along other lines.

Robert married Maud le Strange. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]