Lora de Douvres

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Also called Lorette, Laurette, de Dover, de Chilham.

Lora married William Marmion before 7 Jun 1248. William (son of Robert Marmion and Avice Fitz Hugh) was born in of Quinton, Gloucestershire, England; died before 1277. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. John Marmion was born in of Quinton, Gloucestershire, England; died before 7 May 1322.

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• Alternate death: Bef 1253

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Also called Richard de Chilham. Constable of Wallingford Castle, 1216.

Richard married Rohese de Douvres about 1214. Rohese (daughter of Foubert de Douvres) died before 11 Feb 1261. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: betb 1264 and 1265

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• Alternate birth: 1167

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Nicknamed "Lackland".

"With regard to the birthdate of John, there have been disagreements as to the exact date and year, because of discrepancies in the sources. This was recently discussed in detail in Lewis (2002), where the conclusion was reached that 1166 was more likely than 1167. A statement in the early thirteenth century that John received that name because he was born about the time of the feast of St. John (27 December) would, if true, indicate that date as a plausible date of birth [Ex chronico anonymi canonici, ut videtur, Laudensis, RHF 13, 678-9]. However, that source only indicates a birth on about that date ('circa festum S. Johannis natus fuit'), not on it." [Stewart Baldwin, The Henry Project]

For at least part of his upbringing, he was raised in the remarkable household of his father Henry II's justiciar Ranulph de Glanville, along with, among others, the Walter brothers, nephews of Glanville's wife Bertha de Valognes. Theobald Walter would become, under John, chief butler of England and Ireland and the founder of enduring lordships in Munster and Leinster. Hubert Walter would become archbishop of Canterbury, Ranulph de Glanville's successor as justiciar of England, and then, in John's kingship, chancellor of England. Also raised and educated in the same household was Geoffrey fitz Peter, who would become John's justiciar.

John married (Unknown daughter of William de Warenne). [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate birth: 4 Mar 1133, Le Mans, Sarthe, Pays-de-la-Loire, France

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Also called Henry Fitz Empress; Henry Fitz Geoffrey.

Henry married Eleanor of Aquitaine, Queen Consort of France; Queen Consort of England on 18 May 1152 in Bordeaux Cathedral, Bordeaux, Gironde, France. Eleanor (daughter of William X of Aquitaine and Aénor de Châtellerault) was born in 1122; died on 1 Apr 1204; was buried in Fontévrault Abbey, near Chinon, Anjou, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1124
• Alternate death: 31 Mar 1204, Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France

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Also called Alienor, Helienordis. Duchess of Aquitaine.

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• Alternate birth: 1118

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Earl of Surrey.

"Slain when the rear guard of the French king's army was cut to pieces in Laodicea." [Royal Ancestry]

Peter Stewart, on soc.genealogy.medieval, 5 Sep 2019:

In CP vol xii part 1, p. 497 William [III de Warenne] is stated to have died on 19 January 1147/8 "when the rearguard of the French King's army was cut to pieces in the defiles of Laodicea". This was the battle at Cadmos mountain, when Louis VII had to fight his way to safety after being separated from his guard including William, Gaucher II of Châtillon & Montjay and Evrard III of Breteuil, who were killed.

However, the battle took place ca 7 January, certainly before 19th which was the date given without citing any authority by George Watson in The Genealogist (1895), referenced in CP as "G. W. Watson in Genealogist, N.S., vol. xi, p. 132, and authorities there cited". Odo of Deuil, who was present, said that the battle took place on the day after the king's army set off from Laodicea, and they had stayed there only a few days after arriving on 3 or 4 January.

Jonathan Phillips in his chronology in The Crusades, 1095–1204, second edition (2014), p xvii, placed the battle definitely on 7 January, but other historians have estimated 6 or 8 of the same month.

William married Ela of Ponthieu. Ela (daughter of Guillaume III Talvas and Helie of Burgundy) was born in of Alencon, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 4 Oct 1174. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: 10 Dec 1174
• Alternate death: 1178

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Also called Ala; Ela Talvas; Adela Talvas; Ela d'Alencon.