Ralph Neville

Ralph married Mary Ferrers before 1411. Mary (daughter of Robert Ferrers and Joan Beaufort) was born about 1394; died on 25 Jan 1458. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. John Neville was born about 1418 in of Oversley, Alcester, Warwickshire, England; died on 17 Mar 1482.

Notes:

Aside from being the maternal grandfather of Edward IV, he was also the paternal grandfather (through his son Richard Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury (1400–1460), and Alice Montacute) of the "Kingmaker," Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick (1428-1471).

Ralph married Margaret Stafford after 19 Jun 1382. Margaret (daughter of Hugh de Stafford and Philippe de Beauchamp) died on 9 Jun 1396; was buried in Brancepeth, Durham, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1331
• Alternate birth: Between 1337 and 1340

Notes:

"John (de Neville), Lord Neville, son and heir (a), had writs of livery of his father's lands in England and Scotland, after doing homage, October 1367. He was a captain under his father at the battle of Nevill's Cross, 17 October 1346, and was knighted about April 1360. His life of public service was as active as his father's. He served in Aquitaine, 1366 and the following years, and numerous commissions issued to him, December 1367 onwards. In 1368 (September, October) he was joint ambassador to France. K.G. 1369. In 1369 and 1371 trier of petitions in Parliament; Admiral of the North, July 1370, and in November following joint commissioner to treat with Genoa; steward of the King's household, 1372. In July 1372 he sailed for Brittany on an expedition protracted for want of reinforcements. He was then for several years engaged in Scotland and the Marches. In December 1377 he had a patent of the keepership of Bamburgh Castle for life; and in 1378 licence to castellate Raby and Sheriff Hutton in 1382. He was made keeper of Fronsac Castle, on the Dordogne, 3 June, and Seneschal of Gascony in June 1378. Returning to England, he became Warden of the Marches (as above), and in 1381 conservator of the peace, co. Durham and Sedbergh; joint commissioner to treat of peace with Scotland, May 1383 and March 1386/7. In July 1385 he was under orders to accompany the King to Scotland." [Complete Peerage]

"He was presumably of age when a recognizance was made to him in January 1351/2. His age of 40 and more at his mother's death on 13 Jan. 1373/4 supports this conclusion." [The Ancestry of Charles II, citation details below.]

John de Neville and Maud Percy were great-grandparents of Edward IV and Richard III, making them the most recent common ancestors of TNH and Elizabeth II:

John de Neville (1330-1388) = Maud Percy (d. 1379)
Ralph de Neville (1364-1425) = Joan Beaufort (1379-1440)
Cecily Neville (1415-1495) = Richard of York (1411-1460)
Edward IV (1442-1483) = Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492)
Elizabeth of York (1466-1503) = Henry VII (1457-1509)
Margaret Tudor (1489)-1541) = James IV (1473-1513)
James V (1512-1542) = Mary of Guise (1515-1560)
Mary, Queen of Scots (1542-1587) = Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley (1545-1567)
James VI and I (1566-1625) = Anne of Denmark (1574-1619)
Elizabeth of Bohemia (1596-1662) = Frederick V of the Palatine (1596-1632)
Sophia of Hanover (1630-1714) = Ernest Augustus, Elector of Brunswick-Lüneberg (1629-1698)
George I (1660-1727) = Sophia Dorothea of Celle (1666-1726)
George II (1683-1760) = Caroline of Ansbach (1683-1737)
Frederick, Prince of Wales (1707-1751) = Augusta of Saxe-Gotha (1719-1772)
George III (1738-1820) = Charlotte of Mecklenburg (1744-1818)
Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn (1767-1820) = Victoria of Saxe-Coburg (1786-1861)
Victoria (1819-1901) = Albert of Saxe-Coburg (1819-1861)
Edward VII (1841-1910) = Alexandra of Denmark (1844-1925)
George V (1865-1936) = Mary of Teck (1867-1953)
George VI (1895-1952) = Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (1900-2002)
Elizabeth II (1926- )

boldface: monarchs of England, Great Britain, or the United Kingdom
italic: monarchs of Scotland
boldface & italic: James IV and I, king of both

TNH is therefore 19th cousin once removed to Elizabeth II, no doubt sharing that distinction with literally hundreds of millions of other people.

John married Maud Percy before 1362. Maud (daughter of Henry de Percy and Idoine de Clifford) was born about 1345 in Alnwick, Northumberland, England; died before 18 Feb 1379; was buried in Durham Cathedral, Durham, Durham, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 18 Feb 1379

Notes:

Richardson's RA has them married "before 1362." The Ancestry of Charles II says their marriage contract was dated July 1344.

Notes:

Earl of Stafford. Privy councillor, 1377. Sheriff of Cheshire, 1385. He was summoned to Parliament 8 Jan 1371 and from 6 Oct 1372. He died on the Isle of Rhodes while returning home from a pilgrimage to Jerusalem.

Hugh married Philippe de Beauchamp before 1 Mar 1351. Philippe (daughter of Thomas de Beauchamp and Katherine de Mortimer) died before 6 Apr 1386; was buried in Stone Priory, Staffordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

"Ralph (de Neville), Lord Neville, 2nd but 1st surviving son, was aged 40 and more at his father's death. He was taken prisoner with his younger brothers at Berwick in 1319. He had begun his long career of public service and official work already in 1322, when he was constable of Warkworth Castle, and serving in the Marches under the Earl of Carlisle. In 1324 he was appointed with the Earl of Angus to escort the envoys of Robert Bruce to York, to treat of peace, and in 1325 commissioner to keep the truce in Northumberland. At the time of his father's death he was already steward of the King's household. In the following January he indented to serve Sir Henry Percy, and in July was commissioned to take over the keepership of the Forest beyond Trent. He was present at the surrender of Berwick Castle to Edward III, July 1333, and again with the King in Scotland in 1334 (June-October) and in the summer of 1335; joint commissioner, 1333 and 1334, to Edward Baliol's Parliament, to demand confirmation of covenants, and in 1334 Warden of the Scottish Marches, some time sole and some time with Percy; in the same year chief of the justices in eyre of the Forest (Notts and Yorks) for that turn; in 1335 he was made keeper of Bamburgh Castle for life, and by Mar. 1336/7 was a banneret. In July 1338 and June 1340 he was appointed on the Council of Prince Edward as Keeper of the Realm, and (by the Bishop) overseer of the keepers of the temporalities of the see of Durham during his absence on the King's service. He commanded the first division at the victory of Durham, or Nevill's Cross, 17 October 1346, where King David of Scotland was taken prisoner; and took part in the naval success against the Spaniards off Winchelsea, 29 Aug. 1350." [Complete Peerage]

Unmentioned by CP, but he was educated at Oxford. He was the first layman to be buried at Durham Cathedral, in recognition of his role in the victory at Nevill's Cross.

Ralph married Alice de Audley after 14 Jan 1327. Alice (daughter of Hugh de Audley and Isolde le Rous) was born about 1300; died on 12 Jan 1374; was buried in Durham Cathedral, Durham, Durham, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 2 Feb 1300, Leconfield, Yorkshire, England
• Alternate birth: 6 Feb 1301, Leconfield, Yorkshire, England
• Alternate death: 27 Feb 1352, Warkworth, Northumberland, England

Notes:

Keeper of Berwick Castle; Keeper of the Coast of Yorkshire and Northumberland; Keeper of Bamburgh and Skipton Castles; Warden of the Scottish Marches; Justiciar of the East March.

M.P. 1322-52, according to Ancestral Roots.

Great-grandfather of Henry "Hotspur" Percy.

"A powerful border lord, he was a justiciar and warden of the Scottish marches, participated frequently in raids, skirmishes, battles and sieges against the Scots, including the battle of Neville's Cross, where he commanded a division." [The Ancestry of Charles II]

Henry married Idoine de Clifford about 1318. Idoine (daughter of Robert de Clifford and Maud de Clare) was born in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died on 24 Aug 1365; was buried in Beverley Minster, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1303, Clifford Castle, Herefordshire, England

Notes:

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 11:11:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Looking for primary source documents on Idonia [Imania] de Clifford
Reply-To: Douglas Richardson

Dear Steve ~

The correct name of Henry de Percy's wife is Idoine de Clifford. "Idonia" or "Idonea" are the Latin forms of her name and should be avoided.

The parentage of Idoine de Clifford is hardly elusive as you imagine. There are no less than five separate visitations/medieval sources which name Idoine, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, as a Clifford, or the daughter of Lord Clifford:

1. Archaeologia Aeliana 3 (1844): 40 (Chronicles of Alnwick Abbey: "Iste Henricus disponsavit idoneam filiam Domini de Clyfford et genuit ex ea Anno Domini 1320 Henricum quartum et tertium Dominum de Alnewyk et alios plures filios et filias inter quos erat Thomas qui postea fuit Episcopus Norwicens ...").

2. Atkinson, Cartularium Abbathiæ de Whiteby 2 (Surtees Soc. 72) (1881): 690-696 (Percy ped.: "The fourth Henry Lord Percy ... gat on Idonea Clyfford Henry, William, Richard, Maude, Alianour Fitzwater, Roger, and Margarett that was maried to the Erle of Angus Sonne and his heire.").

3. Flower, Vis. of Yorkshire 1563-4 (H.S.P. 16) (1881): 241-244 (Percy ped.: "Henry 4 Lord Percy. = Ida doughter of the Lord Clyfford.").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

books.google.com/books?id=pjMEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA242

4. Harvey et al., Vis. of the North 3 (Surtees Soc. 144) (1930): 18-20 (Percy ped.: "Henricus Percy = Idonea Clifforde").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees144text.pdf

5. Harvey et al., Vis. of the North 4 (Surtees Soc. 146) (1932): 17-24 (Lassels ped.: "Idonæ [Clifford] mar: to Henry lord Percy").

This item is available online at the following weblink:

www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees146text.pdf

Given that we know that Sir Henry Percy was born in 1300 or 1301, and given that Henry's son and heir, also named Henry, was born about
1322-5, the birth of Idoine de Clifford would necessarily have to fall about 1300-1310. Given the chronology, Idoine de Clifford can be placed as a daughter of Robert de Clifford (died 1314), 1st Lord Clifford, and his wife, Maud de Clare, which Robert and Maud were married in 1295. Idoine de Clifford was surely named for her father's maternal aunt, Idoine de Vipont (died 1333), wife of Roger de Leybourne, Knt., and John de Cromwell, Knt., Lord Cromwell.

For interesting references to Idoine, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, see the following weblinks:

books.google.com/books?id=1MUwhOPhfKcC&pg=PA116&dq=Idoine+Percy

books.google.com/books?lr=&id=8AMhAAAAMAAJ&dq=Idoine+Percy&q=Idoine&pgis=1#search_anchor

books.google.com/books?id=RzUdAAAAIAAJ&q=Idoine+Percy&dq=Idoine+Percy&lr=&pgis=1

books.google.com/books?id=cu8i2yausLcC&pg=PA124&dq=Idoine+Percy&lr=

The tomb at Beverley Minster, Yorkshire which is now attributed to Idoine de Clifford, wife of Sir Henry de Percy, bears shields with various coats of arms, among them Clifford.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:15:21 AM UTC-7, The Hoorn wrote:

So far, I have been unsuccessful in locating any primary or contemporaneous records, documenting the parentage of Idonia [Imania] de Clifford, as the daughter of Lord Robert Clifford (killed in battle Bannockburn 24 Jun 1314) and Matilda de Clare. Idonia was also the wife of Sir Henry Percy (1301-1352).

I would sincerely welcome any assistance.

Thanks!

Notes:

Earl of Stafford. Steward of the Royal Household, 6 Jan 1341 to 29 Mar 1345, when he assumed the position of Seneschal of Aquitaine. King's lieutenant in Gascony, 1350 and onward. One of the 26 founding members, and the fifth knight, of the Order of the Garter. As a young man he supported the plot to free the young Edward III from his mother's lover, Roger Mortimer; he was subsequently a close member of Edward III's retinue for the rest of his life. He was also a notably competent soldier and diplomat in the Hundred Year's War.

Fought at Crécy.

Summoned to Parliament by writ 29 Nov 1336 to 25 Nov 1350.

"He [...] sensationally abducted Margaret de Audley, 2nd Baroness Audley, daughter of Hugh de Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester and Margaret de Clare, who was worth at least £2314 a year, more than ten times his own estates. Her parents filed a complaint with King Edward III of England, but the King supported Stafford's actions. In compensation, the King appeased Hugh and Margaret by creating Hugh the 1st Earl of Gloucester. [Wikipedia]

Ralph married Margaret de Audley before 6 Jul 1336. Margaret (daughter of Hugh de Audley and Margaret de Clare) was born about 1323; died after 28 Jan 1348; was buried in Tonbridge, Kent, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Between 1318 and 1322
• Alternate birth: Bef 1325
• Alternate death: 7 Sep 1349
• Alternate death: Bef 1 Mar 1351

Notes:

Hereditary Chamberlain of the Exchequer. Hereditary Sheriff of Worcestershire. Marshal of England, 1344-69. Sheriff of Warwickshire and Leicestershire, 1344-69.

He was a founding knight of the Order of the Garter, 1348. Fought at Crécy and at the siege of Calais. Accompanied Gaunt into France, 1369.

Thomas married Katherine de Mortimer after 22 Feb 1325. Katherine (daughter of Roger de Mortimer and Joan de Geneville) died on 4 Aug 1369; was buried in St. Mary's, Warwick, Warwickshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]