Maud de Pateshulle

Maud married Walter de Fauconberge about Dec 1330. Walter (son of John de Faucomberge and Eve de Bulmer) was born before 1319 in of Skelton, Yorkshire, England; died on 29 Sep 1362; was buried in Guisborough Priory, Yorkshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Thomas Fauconberge was born on 20 Jul 1345 in Upleatham, Yorkshire, England; died on 9 Sep 1407.
2. Roger Fauconberge was born before 1348 in of Groval near Beverley, Yorkshire, England; died between 10 Dec 1391 and 14 Jan 1392.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1291, of Pattishall, Towcester, Northamptonshire, England
• Alternate birth: Abt 1291, of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England
• Alternate birth: Between 1291 and 1293, of Pattishall, Towcester, Northamptonshire, England
• Alternate death: Bef Sep 1349

Notes:

Served in Wales with the earl of Hereford, Feb 1316; also served, then and later, against the Scots. Fought at Boroughbridge, 16 Mar 1322. Summoned to the Great Council at Westminster, May 1324, and to other councils in 1335, 1338, and 1342, but never to Parliament. License to crenallate his Bletsoe house in Jun 1327.

John married Mabel de Grandison before 1313. Mabel (daughter of William de Grandison and Sibyl de Tregoz) was born in of Ashperton, Ledbury, Herefordshire, England; died after 1350; was buried in Grey Friars, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Or Patshull.

Simon married Isabel de Stonegrave after Jan 1287. Isabel (daughter of John de Stonegrave and Ida Wake) was born before 1273 in of Stonegrave, Helmsley, Yorkshire, England; died before 20 Feb 1301. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Abt 1324
• Alternate death: Bef 1325

Notes:

Or Elizabeth.

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1243, of Ashperton, Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
• Alternate death: 17 Jun 1335

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1st Baron Grandison 1299?1335, Knight, Deputy Justiciar of North Wales 1284?1293, Deputy Warden of the Channel Islands 1294?1296.

He served in the household of Edmund "Crouchback", Earl of Lancaster. He fought in the Scottish wars and was at the seige of Caerlaverock. He was an executor of Edmund's will and of that of his widow Blanche of Artois.

Summoned to Parliament by writs dated from 6 Feb 1299 to 10 Oct 1325.

William married Sibyl de Tregoz before 1286. Sibyl (daughter of John de Tregoz and Mabel Fitzwarine) was born about 1272; died on 21 Oct 1334 in Dore, Herefordshire, England; was buried in Dore Abbey, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 22 Oct 1334
• Alternate death: 27 Oct 1334

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Knight of the shire for Bedfordshire, July 1290.

John married Agnes. Agnes died after 1294. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Bef 25 Apr 1295

Notes:

Or Steynegreve, Steingreve, Stayngreve, Stayngrive. CP spells it Steyngreve.

John married Ida Wake before 1273. Ida (daughter of Baldwin Wake and Ela de Beauchamp) died after 26 Jun 1278. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Alternate death: Bef 20 Apr 1295

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• Alternate death: Between 29 Dec 1257 and 15 Jul 1259
• Alternate death: 31 Aug 1263

Notes:

Seigneur of Grandson, on Lake Neuchatel, now in Switzerland. Châtelain of Moudon c. 1255.

Pierre married Agnès de Neufchâtel about 1225. Agnès (daughter of Ulric III de Neufchâtel and Jolante of Urach) was born between 1207 and 1209; died after 15 Apr 1283; was buried in Priory Church of Saint-Jean Baptiste, Grandson, Jura-Nord Vaudois, Vaud, Switzerland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1282

Notes:

The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz (citation details below) has her as a daughter of Gertrud, first wife of Ulrich III. Richardson says parentheically that Agnès's mother might have been "Yolande, daughter of Egino IV of Urach". David Williams says that Agnès was "almost certainly" a daughter of Yolande, whose name he spells Jolante, and he makes a good case based on chronology and onomastics.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Bef 1247
• Alternate death: 12 Aug 1300

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Served in the wars with Wales, Gascony, and Scotland. Summoned to Parliament by writs, 26 Jan 1297 to 10 Apr 1299.

John married Mabel Fitzwarine. Mabel (daughter of Fulk IV Fitzwarine and Clarice de Auberville) died before 24 May 1297. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Or Maud.

Notes:

Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1258 and 1264; of Northamptonshire, 1259-1261. In Aug 1258 he was chosen in Bedfordshire to report the excesses of royal officials.

In Northampton Castle with Simon de Montfort the younger in 1264, while it was besieged by royalist forces; joined in the defense of Kenilworth castle, 1266. Lands seized; later pardoned.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1256

Simon married Beatrice Foliot. Beatrice (daughter of Jordan Foliot) was born in of Grimston, Nottinghamshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 10 Feb 1282

Notes:

Or Baldwin le Wake.

Baldwin married Ela de Beauchamp. Ela (daughter of William de Beauchamp and Idonea de Longespée) died before 1265. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 10 Jan 1267

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1140, of Grandson, Switzerland
• Alternate death: Aft 1235

Notes:

Many genealogical sources identify this Ebel de Grandison, who was husband of a daughter of Amadeus I of Geneva, as a son of another Ebel de Grandison (claimed to have died about 1173) and his wife Jordane, the older Ebel a son of Barthélemy de Grandison who died about 1158, and whose wife is said to be unknown.

David Williams (citation details below) points out that model traces back to the research of the 19th-century Swiss historian Louis de Charrière, who postulated that Barthélemy's son Ebel could not have lived much beyond 1177 and that therefore the Ebel who appears in documents after that date must have been a son. This hypothesis was rejected in the mid-20th century by Swiss historian and genealogist Olivier Dessemontet, who argued that evidence for an additional Ebel was nonexistent, and further pointed out that Charrière had based his argument on his misunderstanding of a particular Latin text. Williams's piece, cited below, takes stock of the de Grandison pedigree in light of this and argues convincingly that Jordane was the wife of Barthélemy, not of Barthélemy's son Ebel, and that Barthélemy's son Ebel and supposed grandson Ebel were in fact a single individual who lived from about 1144 to the mid-1230s.

Ebel married (Unknown daughter of Amadeus I of Geneva). (Unknown (daughter of Amadeus I and (Unknown second wife of Amadeus I of Geneva)) died after 1234. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Traditionally called Beatrice, although there appears to be no evidence that this was her name.

Notes:

Count of Neufchâtel.

Ulric married Jolante of Urach between 1202 and 1203. Jolante (daughter of Egino IV of Urach and Agnes von Zähringen) was born about 1188; died in 1218. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1200, of Lydiard Tregoz, Wiltshire, England
• Alternate death: 4 Aug 1265, Evesham, Worcestershire, England

Notes:

Closely associated with Henry III. Summoned for service in Wales 1258-1264.

"Robert de Tregoz, whose family came from Troisgots in the Cotentin; until 1204 he held land in Normandy as well as in many English counties." [The Blackmans of Knight's Creek, citation details below.]

The Wallop Family says he was slain at the battle of Evesham, as does AR8 255A:29 (which appears to have originally been prepared by Richardson). But Richardson's RA says merely that he died "shortly before" 24 Sep 1268, three years after the battle.

Robert married Juliane de Cantelowe before 1 Aug 1245. Juliane (daughter of William II de Cantelowe and Milicent de Gournay) died after 6 Aug 1285. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1208
• Alternate birth: Abt 1210

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Drowned in the Ouse while attempting to escape, at the Battle of Lewes.

Fulk married Clarice de Auberville. Clarice (daughter of Robert de Auberville and Clarice de Gestling) was born in of Iden, Sussex, England; died after 8 Oct 1250. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

The predominant view of Clarice de Auberville, reflected in Royal Ancestry, Leo van de Pas's Genealogics, etc., is that she was the second wife of the Fulk Fitzwarine who married, first, Maud de Vavasour, and that this Fulk Fitzwarine, generally numbered "III" by later historians and genealogists, died in 1258.

But in 2003, John P. Ravilious put forward a strong argument that Fulk III died in or just before 1235, that Maud de Vavasour was his only wife, and that Clarice de Auberville was in fact the first wife of his son Fulk "IV", who later married Constance de Toeni and drowned at the battle of Lewes. Mabel Fitzwarine who married William de Crevequer and John de Tregoz was Clarice's daughter by Fulk IV rather than Fulk III. Fulk V was, as in the model more commonly accepted, son of Fulk IV by Constance de Toeni.

Ravilious's argument is based on several grounds and can be read in its entirety here. (It should be noted that the proportionally-spaced font used by Google Groups makes a hash of Ravilious's charts; this can be rectified by copying the text of the charts from the browser window and pasting them into any word processor or text editor capable of displaying them in a monospaced font, for instance Courier or Monaco.) A shorter post amplifying on one aspect of Ravilious's argument is here. It would be best to read Ravilious's argument in its entirety, but we note that among his evidence is a contemporary record in the Close Rolls in which, on 22 Nov 1235, Henry III grants to Hubert Hues a market that "was formerly held by Fulk fitz Warin, deceased." Fulk III had been closely involved with Henry and his court in previous years, and other records show clearly that this Fulk was the Fulk to whom the market had previously been granted (in 1219 and again in 1220); it is unlikely that the king or his court was confused about which Fulk they were referring to, or whether he was alive.

But the argument that Ravilious considers strongest is worth quoting in its entirety. Ravilious quotes a 1249 record of the King's Bench given in Janet Meisel's Barons of the Welsh Frontier: The Corbet, Pantulf and Fitz Warin Families, 1066-1272 (University of Nebraska Press, 1980), p. 50:

"Fulk Fitz Warin acknowledges that he gave, conceded and by his charter confirmed to Mabil, his daughter, for homage and her service, his entire manor of Lambourn with all appurtenances, to have and hold for herself and the heirs of her body of Fulk and his heirs freely, quietly, etc., saving religious service, as is described in his charter."

Ravilious comments:

"Fulk 'III' FitzWarin (husband of Maud le Vavasour) was born in 1178 or before; in 1249, if he was still alive and married to Clarice d'Auberville, he would have been somewhere between 70 and 80 years of age. At that time he would have had a son and heir aged about 40 or more (Fulk 'IV'), and would be granting the significant manor of Lambourn, Berks. to his young (say 16-19 year old) daughter -- and Fulk 'IV' 's half sister -- Maud on her marriage to William de Crevequer, something that Meisel found to be incredible. It is far more believeable, and likely, that the 1249 grant was by Fulk 'IV' (aged 40 or more) to his young daughter -- Maud (by HIS wife, Clarice d'Auberville)."

We're unaware of anyone refuting Ravilious's arguments or explaining why the commoner model of this family is more plausible, so despite the fact that most sources still show Clarice as the second wife of Fulk III instead of the first wife of Fulk IV, we're going with Ravilious's model.

Notes:

Justice in eyre for Wiltshire, Hampshire, Bedfordshire, and Buckinghamshire, 1218. Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire Jan 1224 - Sep 1228.

Walter married Margery de Argentein. Margery (daughter of Richard de Argentein and Emma de Broy) was born in of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, England; died after 20 Aug 1232. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also called Margery de Argentom. VCH Bedford erroneously calls her a daughter, rather than granddaughter, of Robert de Broy.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1229

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• Alternate birth: of Grimston, Nottinghamshire, England
• Alternate birth: Abt 1150, of Norton, Yorkshire, England
• Alternate death: Bef 5 Mar 1236

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• Alternate death: Bef 18 Dec 1241, The Near East

Notes:

Sheriff of Yorkshire, 1239. Constable of Scarborough Castle. Accompanied Simon de Montfort on crusade in 1240.

Hugh married Joanne de Stuteville before 29 May 1229. Joanne (daughter of Nicholas II de Stuteville and Devorguilla of Galloway) died before 5 Apr 1276. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 6 Apr 1276

Notes:

"In c. 1266, as widow for the second time, she ignored both husbands on her seal and had herself represented riding side-saddle carrying just her father's shield." [Peter Howarth, citation details below.]

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• Alternate birth: Abt 1186, of Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
• Alternate death: Aft 28 Dec 1260

Notes:

Baron of the Exchequer. Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire 1235-37.

"He joined the baronial host at Stamford in 1215, and entertained them at Bedford as they marched on London. He was among the baronial leaders excommunicated by name in Dec. 1215. [...] He was taken prisoner at Lincoln by the royal forces in May 1217, but made his peace before the end of the year." [Royal Ancestry]

William married Idonea de Longespée about Jan 1220. Idonea (daughter of William I Longespée and Ela of Salisbury) died after 1266. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1270

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Also called Ida de Longespee, but not to be confused with her sister Ida de Longespee.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Abt 1159

Barthelemy married Jordane. Jordane died after 1157. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Count of Geneva.

Amadeus married (Unknown second wife of Amadeus I of Geneva) between 1137 and 1147. (Unknown died after 1169. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

AR8 and The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz give her surname as "de Domene."

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Count of Neufchâtel. Magistrate of Erlangen.

Ulric married Berta. Berta died in 1192. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Possibly Berta von Grenchen-Grammont.

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Count of Urach.

Egino married Agnes von Zähringen. Agnes (daughter of Berchtold IV von Zähringen and Heilwig von Froburg) died on 10 May 1239. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: of Tregots, Normandy, France
• Alternate death: Bef 29 Apr 1215

Notes:

Bailiff of Cotentin 1180; Sheriff of Wiltshire 1191-2; Keeper of Salisbury and Clarendon Castles; Warden of Gavray, Neaufle, and Similly Castles.

From Complete Peerage 12/2:16-18:

Observations.--There can be little doubt that the families of Tregoz, centred in East Anglia and south-east England in the 12th century, were related, and it is very probable that the Tregoz lords of Ewyas Harold, co. Hereford, were also connected with these families. The name comes from Troisgots: Manche, arr. St. LÙ, cant. Tessy-sur-Vire.

Robert de Tregoz [...] was active in Normandy during the reigns of Richard I and John. He was with the King there in 1190 and during the years 1194-99, being called the King's Steward in 1194; and was bailiff of the Cotentin in 1195 and 1197, and under John. An agreement made between King Richard and the Count of Flanders in 1197 was witnessed by Robert, who in 1200 was at the determination of the bounds between Evreux and Neufbourg after the peace between King John and Philip Augustus. During the years 1200-04 he was warden of the castles of Gavray, Neaufle and Similly, and custodian of the lands of Simon Pevilene; and in November 1204 he went on royal business to Flanders. He remained faithful to the English Crown after 1204, and his escheated lands in Trègots, Favarches and St. Romphaire were granted by Philip Augustus to Miles de Lèvis, November 1218. Robert went to the continent on royal business with William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, in the spring of 1205. He was also active in England, holding many offices during the reign of Richard I. The castle of Salisbury was in his care, 1190-94, and again in 1198 and 1199; he was keeper of the royal houses at Clarendon, 1190-93, and sheriff of Wiltshire in 1191. He farmed Gastard, in Corsham, Wilts, 1191-94, was granted money from Warminster in 1193, and farmed the lands of Geoffrey Hose in Wilts, 1197-1200. He also farmed Bristol, 1196-99. Robert answered for the lands of Alan de Hairun in 1200, was granted estates, in payment of the King's debts to him, at Pencombe, co. Hereford, in 1205, and in the following year he received the manor of Chelworth, Somerset.

He married, possibly in 1198, Sibyl, daughter and heir of Robert de Ewyas, lord of Ewyas Harold, co. Hereford, by Pernel (Petronilla), his wife (living 28 October 1204.) He died some time before 29 April 1215. Sibyl married, 2ndly, before 13 February 1216/7, Roger, son of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford Castle, co. Hereford. She died shortly before 1 July 1236.

Robert married Sibyl de Ewyas about 1198. Sibyl (daughter of Robert de Ewyas and Pernel Scudamore) died in 1236 in Ewyas, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1 Jul 1236
• Alternate death: 1 Jul 1236

Notes:

Or Ewias.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1185, of Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire, England

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Steward of the royal household to Henry III. "[N]amed by Roger of Wendover among the evil counsellors of King John of England, apparently for no better reason than that they were consistently loyal to an unpopular master." [Wikipedia]

William married Milicent de Gournay before Jul 1215. Milicent (daughter of Hugh de Gournay and Juliane de Dammartin) died before 1233. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1260

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Countess of Gloucester; Countess of Evreux.

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• Alternate birth: Bef 1178, of Lambourn, Hungerford, Berkshire, England
• Alternate death: Aft Oct 1250
• Alternate death: Between 1256 and 1257
• Alternate death: 1258

Notes:

Subject of the medieval romance Fouke le Fitz Waryne, possible basis for at least part of the Robin Hood legend.

"This Fulk had been outlawed, but was pardoned, 15 Nov. 1203, his castle of Whittington being restored to him, 17 Oct. 1204." [Complete Peerage]

Ravilious has this particular Fulk dying over two decades before many other sources do; his reasoning is set forth here.

Fulk married Maud le Vavasour before 1 Oct 1207. Maud (daughter of Robert le Vavasour and (Unknown) de Birkin) died before 1226. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Antiquities of Shropshire by the Rev. R. W. Eyton [Vol. VII, p. 73]:

Maud le Vavasour was daughter of Robert, granddaughter of William, and sister of John le Vavasour. I think her mother was a daughter of Adam fitz Peter, Lord of Birkyn; for it appears that "Robert le Vavasour gave his share (it was a fourth) of the Vill of Bolton with Matilda le Count, his daughter, in frank marriage to Theobald Walter, and that the said Matilda afterwards gave it to Roger de Burkyn, her Uncle." (Sallay Register, Dugd. MSS. D. 2.)

It is not difficult to say why Maud le Vavasour is called Matilda le Count in the above extract. The names Vavasour and Count are treated as equivalent. It is less easy to determine why the Fitz Warin Chronicle calls the same person Maude de Caus. I, however, suggest an explanation.--

The real Maud de Caus, for there was such a person living at the time of Maud le Vavasour's marriage, was probably her Grandmother. She was daughter and sole heir of that Robert de Chaus who figures in 1165 as a great Derbyshire Feudatory (Liber Niger, I. 225), and who was hereditary Warden of the Forests of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. Maud de Caus was wife, first of Adam fitz Peter, Lord of Birkyn, and secondly of Ralph fitz Stephen. By her first husband she had issue John de Birkyn, who, on her death in 1224, succeeded to her great inheritance. I think that Roger de Birkyn above-mentioned, and * * * de Birkyn wife of Robert le Vavasour, were also children of Maude de Caus by her first husband.

Maud le Vavasour, thus supposed to be her Granddaughter, had two children by her first husband, Theobald Walter. These were Theobald Walter (II.) and Matilda. Matilda was entrusted by King John to the guardianship of Gilbert fitz Reinfrid; but in 1220 King Henry III. apprises William de Lancaster (Gilbert fitz Reinfrid's son), that Theobald fitz Theobald was now to have charge of his Sister (Pat. 4 Hen. III, m. 5). This Writ, coupled with another of July 1221 (Claus. I. 463), shows that in 1220-1 Theobald Walter (II.) attained his majority.

Notes:

"Fought in Ireland, 1210; attended the King at the siege of Bytham Castle, 1221; Warden of the Sea Ports from Portsmouth to Sandwich, 1228." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz]

Robert married Clarice de Gestling. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]