Maud de Verdun

Maud married John de Grey before 1275 and 1276. John (son of Reynold de Grey and Maud de Longchamp) was born about 1268 in of Wilton, Yorkshire, England; died on 28 Oct 1323 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Roger de Grey was born in of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; died on 6 Mar 1353.
2. Maud de Grey
3. Henry de Grey was born on 28 Oct 1281 in of Wilton, Herefordshire, England; died on 10 Dec 1342.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 21 Oct 1274

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Also called Sir John le Botiller; Sir John le Boteler; John le Botiller de Verdun.

Ally of the King against Simon de Montfort. Went to Sicily, 1271, on crusade with Lord Edward (later Edward I).

The Wallop Family claims that has was "slain in Ireland", a circumstance and place not mentioned in RA. CP says "He is said to have d. 21 Oct 1274" and footnotes this with: "Though the writ appears to have been issued, 17 Oct. [...] According to the Annals of Clonmacnoise, he and 13 knights were poisoned together in England."

John married Eleanor de Bohun before 1267. Eleanor (daughter of Humphrey de Bohun and Maud of Avenbury) died after 10 Jun 1278. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1276

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"Sometime after [10 Jun 1278], members of Eleanor's household petitioned the king, stating that she was mad and an imbecile, and requested a suitable wardship for her." [Royal Ancestry]

Peter Stewart, 2 Dec 2020, post to soc.genealogy.medieval:

There is no question that [Humphrey de Bohun, d. 1265, and his wife Eleanor de Briouze] did have a daughter named Eleanor, but she was the second wife of Robert de Ferrers, 6th earl of Derby, from June 1269 whereas the other Eleanor de Bohun, wife of John de Verdon, was widowed in 1274. The latter couple had a son named Humphrey—presumably after her father—born on 4 June 1267, and she had the Verdon and Bohun bearings on her seal. The Eleanor married to Robert de Ferrers was described as sister to Humphrey de Bohun, 3rd earl of Hereford (son of Humphrey who died in 1265 by Eleanor de Braiose) in the close roll for 1290 (Edward I, vol 3 p. 119: "Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford, and Eleanor de Ferrariis, his sister, acknowledge that they owe to Robert de Tibotot and Matthew de Columbariis, the king’s butler, 200l.; to be levied, in default of payment, of their lands and chattels in cos. Hereford and Essex"). Two witnesses at the IPM of this Eleanor's son John, 1st lord Ferrers of Chartley, quoted in CP vol. 5 pp. 305-306 note (d), placed her as the granddaughter of Humphrey de Bohun who was clearly the 2nd earl of Hereford and 7th of Essex.

The most likely answer seems to me that John de Verdon's wife Eleanor de Bohun was a paternal half-sister of Humphrey the husband of Eleanor de Braiose, i.e. a daughter of the 2nd earl of Herford by his second wife, Maud de Avenbury. This would account for her evident family connection as well as the chronology placing her apparently around 20 years younger than the daughters of the 2nd earl by his first wife, Maud de Lusignan.

The double Verdon-Bohun marriages posited by [Mark S. Hagger, The Fortunes of a Norman Family, The Verduns in England, Ireland, and Wales, 1066-1316], including his Matilda who was actually named Margery or Margaret to John's son Theobald I, are somewhat downscale socio-politically from the Ferrers marriage of the 3rd earl's sister. Maybe Margery was also a near-contemporary half-blood aunt of the 3rd earl, another daughter of the 2nd earl by Maud de Avenbury. At any rate Hagger's placing her as a sister of the third earl would entail a second-cousin marriage between her son Theobald II de Verdon and Maud de Mortimer, both in that case great-grandchildren of William de Braiose and Eve Marshal.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1200, of Boxted, Suffolk, England
• Alternate death: 19 Jul 1230, Poitou, Aquitaine, France

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Also called Theobald Walter. Second Chief Butler of Ireland.

"Theobald Butler, or le Botiller, only s. and h., aged 6 years in 1206. He had livery of his estates 2 July 1221 and 18 July 1222. He was sum. cum equis et armis to attend the King into Brittany, 26 Oct. 1229, as Theobaldus Pincerna. Was Lord Justice [I.], 1247. He m., 1stly, Joan, sister and in her issue coh. of John du Marais, da. of Geoffrey Du M., Justiciar [I.]. He m., 2ndly (shortly after 4 Sep. 1225, when the King requests such marriage), Rohese, only da. and h. of Nicholas de Verdon, of Alton, co. Stafford, which Rohese was heiress of Croxden, &c., and Foundress of Grace Dieu Monastery, co. Leicester. He d. 19 July 1230, in Poitou, and was bur. in the Abbey of Arklow. His widow d. before 22 Feb. 1246/7." [Complete Peerage II:448]

Theobald married Rohese de Verdun after 4 Sep 1225. Rohese (daughter of Nicholas de Verdun and Clemencia) died before Feb 1247. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 10 Feb 1247
• Alternate death: Bef 22 Feb 1247

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Founded Grace-Dieu Priory in Leicestershire, sometime between 1235 and 1241.

Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage points out that omitted from her husband's CP entry is the fact that Rohese was the widow of William Perceval de Somery, who died before 20 Jun 1222, when she and Theobald le Boteler married.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: Abt 1200

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Earl of Hereford and, from 27 Aug 1236, Earl of Essex.

Hereditary Constable of England; Constable of the Exchequer 1228; Constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports 1239-41; Sheriff of Kent 1239-41; Warden of the Marches of Wales 1245; a crusader in 1250; Privy Councillor 1258; Justice of Assize at Cardiff 1261; Chief Captain of the Army in Wales 1263; Constable of Haye, Huntingdon, and Tregruk Castles.

"After his father's death William Brewer had custody of Caldicot [Monmouth] and of Walton in Surrey, but Humphrey had livery of Caldicot Castle and all lands held in chief the next year, the King having taken his homage. He joined the Earl of Cornwall in his quarrel with the King in 1227. In 1228/9 he had an acquittance for 15 1/5 fees of the moiety of the fees of Trowbridge. At the coronation of Queen Eleanor in 1236 he was Marshal of the Household. He had livery of his mother's lands 9 Sep. 1236. In 1237 he went on a pilgrimage to Santiago. He was appointed constable of Dover Castle 27 Feb. 1238/9, which he surrendered 4 Nov. 1241, and during these years was sheriff of Kent. He stood sponsor at the baptism of Edward I in 1239. In 1242 he was in the expedition to France, but returned because of the King's foreign favourites. In 1244 the cause of the Welsh rising is assigned to his having kept in his hand the inheritance of the wife of David, s. of Llewelyn, Prince of Wales. He joined in the remonstrance to the Pope in 1246, and was present at the Great Council of 1248. In 1250 he was among those who took the Cross. On 13 Sep. 1251 he had licence to make his will. He was present at the sentence of excommunication against the transgressors of the charters (1253). He had a protection 15 Nov. 1253 for as long as the King remained in Gascony, and was with him there in 1254, but withdrew (having the King's permission) after failing to obtain satisfaction in a matter concerning his jurisdiction as constable. On 18 Dec. 1253 he and his eld. s. Humphrey had licence to hunt hare, fox, cat and other wild beasts in the forests of Bradon and Savernake, Wilts. In 1257 he was appointed to keep the marches between Montgomery and the land of the Earl of G1oucester, and had a protection 22 Oct. on staying in Wales in the service of Prince Edward. In 1258 he was one of the 24 councillors to draw up the Provisions of Oxford, being chosen among the Barons' twelve, and was thereafter one of the fifteen chosen to advise the King on all points; he was also one of the twelve elected by the Barons to represent the community in three annual parliaments, and was one of the 24 who were concerned in treating of aids. In 1259 he was the King's representative (with the Count of Aumale) for the preservation of peace between France and England; was concerned with Llywellyn ap Gruffydd in the matter of the truce; and was one of the commissioners who ratified the treaty between France and England in July. On 10 Aug. 1260 he was sent to treat for peace with Llywellyn, and on 25 Aug. 1262 was one of the commissioners to meet Llywellyn's commissioners at the Ford of Montgomery. He had a grant of the custody of the lands of the late Earl of Gloucester 18 July 1262. In the struggle of 1263/4 he took the side of the King; was one of the keepers of the City of London, 9 Oct. 1265, and one of the plenipotentiaries for the Dictum of Kenilworth." [Complete Peerage 6:459]

Humphrey married Maud of Avenbury. Maud died on 8 Oct 1273 in Sorges, Gascony, France; was buried after 8 Oct 1273 in Sorges, Gascony, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Buried: 1290, Llanthony Priory, outside Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

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Her parentage is not established. Douglas Richardson calls her "presumably" a sister of Walter, Osbert, and Master Giles de Avenbury. Complete Peerage notes that "[a] Walter de Avenbury paid 4,000 marks in 1250 for the custody of the land and heir of Richard de Anesy, and in 1273 a Walter de Avenbury was late collector of the 20th in Hereford."

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Between 4 Aug 1205 and 14 Feb 1206
• Alternate death: Between 4 Aug 1205 and 29 Sep 1205
• Alternate death: Bef 12 Feb 1206

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Also called Theobald fitz Walter; Theobald Butler. Chief Butler of England; first Chief Butler of Ireland. Sheriff of Lancashire 1194; justice itinerant 1197.

He was raised in the remarkable household of his uncle, the justiciar of England Ranulph de Glanville, along with his brother Hubert Walter (who would become justiciar of England, chancellor of England, and Archbishop of Canterbury); Geoffrey fitz Peter (who would succeed Hubert Walter as justiciar); and, for a few years in the early 1180s, the future king John.

He was not the founder of Cockersand Abbey in Lancashire as reported in CP II; this is corrected in CP XIV. He did, however, found the Abbey of Nenagh. co. Tipperary, 1200; the Abbey of Wotheny, co. Limerick, 1205; and the monastery of Arklow, co. Wicklow.

"Theobald Walter or Fitz Walter, s. and h. of Hervey Walter, of West Dereham, Norfolk (owner of large estates in Norfolk and Suffolk), by Maud, da. and coh. of Theobald de Valoignes, accompanied John, Count of Mortain, Lord of Ireland (afterward King John), in 1185 into Ireland, who conferred on him vast estates in that Kingdom, including (before 1189) the fief of Arldow, &c., and (in or before May 1 192) the important office of Butler [I.], a dignity which, of itself, probably comprised (even if it did not comprise more than) Baronial rank and position for himself and his successors. He is said subsequently to have obtained the valuable monopoly of the prisage of wines [I.], and is styled Theobald Butler certainly as early as 1199. Returning to England, he obtained from Richard I, in 1194, a grant of the Wapentake of Amounderness with the Lordship of Preston, Lancs. He was Sheriff of Lancashire, personally or by deputy 1194-99. In 1197 he was one of the Justices Itinerant. He founded the Abbey of Nenagh, co. Tipperary 1200; the Abbey of Wotheny, co. Limerick (1205), and the monastery of Arklow, co. Wicklow. He m., in or shortly before 1200, Maud, da. of Robert le Vavasour with whom he acquired the manors of Edlington, co. York, Narborough, co. Leicester, &c. He d. between 4 Aug. 1205 and 14 Feb. 1205/6, and was bur. at Wotheny Abbey afsd. His widow m., in 1207, before 1 Oct., Fulk Fitzwarin." [Complete Peerage 2:447-48, as corrected by Volume 14.]

Theobald married Maud le Vavasour before 1201. Maud (daughter of Robert le Vavasour and (Unknown) de Birkin) died before 1226. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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From Antiquities of Shropshire by the Rev. R. W. Eyton [Vol. VII, p. 73]:

Maud le Vavasour was daughter of Robert, granddaughter of William, and sister of John le Vavasour. I think her mother was a daughter of Adam fitz Peter, Lord of Birkyn; for it appears that "Robert le Vavasour gave his share (it was a fourth) of the Vill of Bolton with Matilda le Count, his daughter, in frank marriage to Theobald Walter, and that the said Matilda afterwards gave it to Roger de Burkyn, her Uncle." (Sallay Register, Dugd. MSS. D. 2.)

It is not difficult to say why Maud le Vavasour is called Matilda le Count in the above extract. The names Vavasour and Count are treated as equivalent. It is less easy to determine why the Fitz Warin Chronicle calls the same person Maude de Caus. I, however, suggest an explanation.--

The real Maud de Caus, for there was such a person living at the time of Maud le Vavasour's marriage, was probably her Grandmother. She was daughter and sole heir of that Robert de Chaus who figures in 1165 as a great Derbyshire Feudatory (Liber Niger, I. 225), and who was hereditary Warden of the Forests of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. Maud de Caus was wife, first of Adam fitz Peter, Lord of Birkyn, and secondly of Ralph fitz Stephen. By her first husband she had issue John de Birkyn, who, on her death in 1224, succeeded to her great inheritance. I think that Roger de Birkyn above-mentioned, and * * * de Birkyn wife of Robert le Vavasour, were also children of Maude de Caus by her first husband.

Maud le Vavasour, thus supposed to be her Granddaughter, had two children by her first husband, Theobald Walter. These were Theobald Walter (II.) and Matilda. Matilda was entrusted by King John to the guardianship of Gilbert fitz Reinfrid; but in 1220 King Henry III. apprises William de Lancaster (Gilbert fitz Reinfrid's son), that Theobald fitz Theobald was now to have charge of his Sister (Pat. 4 Hen. III, m. 5). This Writ, coupled with another of July 1221 (Claus. I. 463), shows that in 1220-1 Theobald Walter (II.) attained his majority.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Apr 1232

Notes:

Despite various online claims to the contrary, he was not the Nicholas of Verdun renowned as a goldsmith and enameller. (Among other things, Bertram of Verdun had no children by his first wife Maud de Ferrers.)

Nicholas married Clemencia. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate birth: 1176
• Alternate birth: Abt 1176, of Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England

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Earl of Hereford. Hereditary Constable of England. Sheriff of Kent, 1200.

Magna Carta surety; as such, excommunicated by Innocent III 16 Dec 1215. Fought for Louis of France at the battle of Lincoln, where he was taken prisoner 20 May 1217, subsequently released and his forfeited lands restored. Left on the Fifth Crusade 1219; died in Palestine the following year.

Henry married Maud de Mandeville. Maud (daughter of Geoffrey fitz Peter and Beatrice de Say) died on 27 Aug 1236. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Countess of Hereford and Essex. Also caled Maud fitz Geoffrey. But despite being the daughter of two people not named "Mandeville," she was primarily known as Maud de Mandeville. See below.

Douglas Richardson, 29 Oct 2011, post to soc.genealogy.medieval:

Henry de Bohun's wife was known as Maud de Mandeville.

For instances of Maud, Countess of Essex and Hereford, being styled Maud de Mandeville in contemporary records, see Cal. Charters Rolls 1 (1903): 196; Davis, Rotuli Hugonis de Welles Episcopi Lincolniensis 1209 - 1235 3 (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 9) (1914): 32; Hassall, Cartulary of St. Mary Clekenwell (Camden 3rd Ser. 71) (1949): 126; Duchy of Lancaster, Descriptive List (with Index) of Cartæ Miscellaneæ, Lists and Indexes, Supplementary Series, No. V, vol. 3 (1964): 85; Mason, Beauchamp Cartulary Charters (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 43) (1980): 187 - 188.