Griffin Warren

Notes:

Possibly, arguably probably, a descendant of the Warenne family also known as Whitchurch. Todd A. Farmerie discusses the patchiness of the evidence here. We give the commonly-believed ancestry of this Griffin Warren, but caveat emptor, and do please read Farmerie's post. Further input would be welcome.

Family/Spouse: Margaret Corbet. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. John Warren was born in of Ightfield, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died on 4 Feb 1413.

Griffin married Maud le Strange. Maud (daughter of Fulke le Strange and Eleanor Giffard) was born in of Blackmere, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell has the daughter of Fulke le Strange and Eleanor Giffard marrying "Bryan de Cornwall of Kynlet," with no mention of Griffin Warren. Elsewhere (p. 267), he has Gruffith Warren marrying "Matilda le Strange, daughter of a Lord Strange of Blackmere."

John married Helen Chorleton. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also called Elena Charleton.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 24 Jan 1324
• Alternate death: 1 Feb 1324
• Alternate death: 23 Jan 1325

Notes:

Seneschal of Aquitaine, 26 May 1322. Field commander for Edwards I and II in Scotland and France. Summoned to Parliament by writ 4 Mar 1309.

"Fulk Lestrange, 1st Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere), so created by writ of summons to Parliament 4 March 1308/9; served in Edward I's and Edward II's Scottish campaigns 1298-1323; Seneschal of Aquitaine 1322; married Eleanor (predeceased her husband), daughter of John Giffard, of Brimsfield, Glos. 1st Lord (Baron) Giffard, and died by 23 Jan 1323/4." [Burke's Peerage]

Fulke married Eleanor Giffard before 1301. Eleanor (daughter of John Giffard and Maud de Clifford) was born in 1275 in of Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England; died before 23 Jan 1324. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1325

Notes:

Eleanor (predeceased her husband), daughter of John Giffard, of Brimsfield, Glos. 1st Lord (Baron) Giffard. [Burke's Peerage]

Griffin married Winifred Broxton. Winifred (daughter of William Broxton) was born in of Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Also called John Charleton.

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 13 Oct 1276

Notes:

"Robert Lestrange; acquired Chawton after death of his brother Hamon, and Wrockwardine in the latter's lifetime; married Eleanor, daughter and coheir of William de Blancminster (modern Whitechurch, Salop) and predeceased her 12 Oct 1276." [Burke's Peerage]

Crusader about 1270, according to AR.

Robert married Eleanor Blancminster about 1250. Eleanor (daughter of William Blancminster and Eve Fitzwarine) was born in of Whitchurch, Shropshire, England; died after 1276. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1300
• Alternate death: Abt 1304
• Alternate death: 1306, Ercall Magna, Shropshire, England

Notes:

This family of Whitchurch in Shropshire is also called Blanchminster, Blauminster, Blancmostiers, Whitchurch, de Albo Monasterio, and "the Warennes of Whitchurch."

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 29 May 1299, Boyton, Wiltshire, England

Notes:

From Complete Peerage V:639:

Sir John Giffard, of Brimpsfield, Badgeworth, Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, and Rockhampton, co. Gloucester, Elston, Orcheston St. George, Sherrington, Ashton, and Broughton Gifford, Wilts, son and heir of Sir Elis Giffard, of Brimpsfield, &c. (who died shortly before 2 May 1248) (c1), by his 2nd wife, Alice, sister of Sir John Mautravers, of Lytchet Matravers, Dorset (a). He was aged 16, or 16 and more, at his father's death (b1). With several other barons, he seized the Bishop of Hereford, 11 June 1263, and took him to Eardisley Castle. On 18 August following, he was among those who made a treaty with Edward, the King's son. He had just been appointed, 7 August, by the advice of the Magnates of the Council, Keeper of the castle of St. Briavel and the forest of Dean, during pleasure, and he was pardoned, 18 September following, for all trespasses committed by reason of non-observance of the Provisions of Oxford. He was appointed joint Keeper of the counties of Gloucester, Worcester, and Hereford, 24 December 1263. In 1264 he belonged to the baronial party, and in April, being in command at Kenilworth, he surprised and destroyed Warwick Castle, taking the Earl and Countess prisoners. On 14 May following he was at the battle of Lewes, where he was taken prisoner early in the day, but he had already captured William la Zuche. He was one of those prohibited, 16 February 1264/5, from taking part in the tournament at Dunstaple, and ordered to attend a Council on the morrow of Ash Wednesday [19 February] following. He changed sides together with the Earl of Gloucester and others, and was in the King's army at the battle of Evesham, 4 August 1265. In consideration of his services at this battle, he was pardoned, 9 Oct. 1265, for having adhered to Simon de Montfort at the battle of Lewes, and for all other trespasses committed up to the said 9 October. He was one of the commissioners empowered, 24 April 1274, to make a truce at the ford of Montgomery, in a month from Easter [29 April], between Llewelyn ab Gruffyd, Prince of Wales, and Humphrey de Bohun of Brecknock. On 6 November 1281 he had licence to hunt wolves, with his own hounds, throughout all the King's forests in England. He was appointed Keeper of the castle of Llandovery, co. Carmarthen, 9 April 1282, and of that of Builth, co. Brecknock, 14 October following, both during pleasure. On 18 November 1283 the King granted him, in fee, the commote of Iscennen, co. Carmarthen, to hold by the service of a knight's fee: and, on 8 February 1289/90, the castle of Dynevor in that county, for life, as a refuge for himself and his men: he was ordered to deliver this castle to Walter de Pederton, 29 July 1297. He was present at the assemblies held at Berwick in October and November 1297, to discuss the various claims to the Crown of Scotland. He was Captain of Podensac in Gascony, which town he surrendered to the French, in 1294/5. He was summoned for Military Service from 18 July 1257 to 7 May 1299, to attend the King at Shrewsbury, 28 June 1283, to attend the King at Salisbury, 26 January 1296/7, to a Military Council, 20 August 1297,and to Parliament from 24 June 1295. to 10 April 1299, by writs directed Johanni Giffard, or Gyffard, occasionally with the additionde Brimmesfeld', whereby he is held to have become Lord Giffard.

He was affianced, at the age of 4 years, to Aubrey de Caumville (who was about the same age), but he did not marry her (b2). He married, 1stly, Maud [c2], widow of Sir William Lungespee, of Amesbury, Aldbourne, and Trowbridge, Wilts, Canford, Dorset, Bicester, Oxon; Brattleby, co., Lincoln, &c. (who died between 23 December 1256 and 3 January 1256/7], and daughter and heir of Sir Walter de Clifford, of Clifford co. Hereford, Cortham, Salop, &c., by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ab Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales. She, who was living 1 December 1281, died s.p.m., not long afterwards. He married, 2ndly, in 1286, Margaret, widow of Sir John de Neville, of Hallingbury, Wethersfield, Great Totham, Great Wakering and Langharn, Essex, Alphington, Devon, &c. who died shortly before 20 May 1282. He died at Boyton, Wilts, 29 May, and was buried 11 June 1299 in Malmesbury Abbey. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 1 August 1299, and on 5 August she was assigned the manors of Stonehouse, Stoke Gifford, Elston, and Broughton Gifford. She died shortly before 13 December 1338.

(c1) In 1221 this Elis stated that "Osbertus Giffard, antecessor suusqui venit ad conquestum Angl' tenuit manerium de Bimesfeld' . . . et post eum Elias flius suus . . . et post eum Elias filius illius Elieet pater suus." At least one generation is here omitted. The Elis living in 1221 was son and heir of Elis III, by Maud, daughter of Morice fitz Robert fitz Hardinge, of Berkeley: which Elis III owed 100 marks 'pro fine terre sue' in 1166 and died before Michaelmas 1190, when William le Mareschal owed 140 marks for the custody of the lands of Elis Giffard. Elis III was son and heir of Elis II (who became a monk in Gloucester Abbey), by Berta (living 1167), sister of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford and Glasbury, and daughter of Richard fitzPonce. In 1130 Elis II rendered account of 100 marks of silver for the relief of his father's lands, being son and heir of Elis I, by Ala, his wife. Before 1096 Elis I had succeeded his father Osbern Giffard, the Domesday tenant of Brimpsfield, Stoke, Rockhampton, Elston, Orcheston, etc.

(a) John Mautravers gave the manor of Ashton and the advowson of the church of St. Peter at Codford, Wilts, to Elis Giffard in free marriage with Alice his sister, to hold to them and their heirs of their bodies, by the service of a knight's fee.

(b1) "Elias Giffard". He held the manor of Winterburne (now Elston), of the King in chief, as the head of his barony; the manor of Sherrington pertaining to that barony; and that of Ashton, held ofJ ohn Mautravers in free marriage. Heir [name cut away] his son aged 16 [rest cut away]. The proof of age of this heir, John Giffard, is undated and defective, but it states that he was born on the day of St. Wulstan (19 Jan).

(b2) So the proof of age mentioned above. She was probably the Aubrey de Canville, a nun of Polesworth, who was elected Abbess in Dec 1276 or in the following month. The marriage was contracted at Arrow, co. Warwick, and she must have been a daughter of Thomas de Camville, of Arrow, and a descendant of Aubrey Marmion, Lady of Arrow, wife of William de Caumville.

John married Maud de Clifford before 10 Mar 1271. Maud (daughter of Walter IV de Clifford and Margaret ferch Llywelyn) was born in of Clifford, Herefordshire, England; died between 1282 and 1285. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1 Dec 1281
• Alternate death: 1282

Notes:

"He [John Giffard] married, 1stly, Maud, widow of Sir William Lungespee, of Amesbury, Aldbourne, and Trowbridge, Wilts, Canford, Dorset, Bicester, Oxon; Brattleby, co., Lincoln, &c. (who died between 23 December 1256 and 3 January 1256/7), and daughter and heir of Sir Walter de Clifford, of Clifford co. Hereford, Cortham, Salop, &c., by Margaret, daughter of Llewelyn ab Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales. She, who was living 1 December 1281, died s.p.m., not long afterwards." [Complete Peerage V:639-44]

[footnote in CP to the above:] Maud Lungespee notified the King that John Giffard had abducted her from her manor of Canford, Dorset, and taken her against her will to his castle of Brimpsfield, and there detained her. John appeared before the King, and professed himself ready to prove that he did not abduct her against her will, and offered a fine of 300 marks for the marriage already contracted, as it was said, between them, provided she made no further complaint against him. On 10 March 1270/1 the King ordained that if she were not content, the said fine should be void,and John should stand his trial at a month from Easter. And as she was too unwell to appear before the King, commissioners were sent to inquire into the truth of the matter, and to certify the King thereof. John and Maud, and her Ist husband, William Lungespee, were all descended from Richard fitz Ponce. Why John Giffard should have referred to himself as being of the race of Le Lungespee as in the proof of age mentioned above he is said to have done--is not explicable; unless, indeed, the sobriquet was derived from the family of Clifford.