Gerard de Camville

Abt 1150 - 1215  (~ 65 years)

• Name	Gerard de Camville
  Birth	Abt 1150	of Brattleby, Welton, Lincolnshire, England   [1, 2]
  Gender	Male
  Alternate death	1214  [3]
  Alternate death	Bef Jan 1215  [4]
  Death	Jan 1215  [5, 6]
  Person ID	I11127	Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of AP, Ancestor of DDB, Ancestor of DGH, Ancestor of DK, Ancestor of JMF, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of LD, Ancestor of LDN, Ancestor of LMW, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK, Ancestor of UKL, Ancestor of XYZ
  Last Modified	1 Feb 2024

  
  

  Father	Richard de Camville,   b. of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England d. 1176, Apulia, Sicily
  Mother	Alice
  Family ID	F972	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Nichole de la Haye,   b. of Brattleby, Welton, Lincolnshire, England d. 20 Nov 1230, Swaton, North Kesteven, Lincolnshire, England
  Marriage	Bef 1185  [4, 6]
  Children	+ 1. Richard de Camville,   b. of Avington, Berkshire, England d. Mar 1217
  Family ID	F4698	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	1 Feb 2024

  
  

• Notes

  Sheriff of Lincolnshire 1189, 1199-1205. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography says (without citing specific evidence) that he was the son of Richard de Camville's first wife, Alice/Adeliza. John P. Ravilious argues otherwise: "[G]iven the chronology of the career of Gerard de Camville and of his son Richard (who was probably born ca. 1170/1180 based on his marriage to Eustache Bisset), I don't see any particular reason to attribute Gerard's birth to a period before 1145." But Douglas Richardson wrote on SGM, 9 Jan 2016, that "Contemporary records indicate that Richard de Camville had four sons, Gerard, Walter, William, and Richard, and two daughters, Maud and Isabel. Of these children, it would appear that the son Richard and the daughter Isabel (wife of Robert de Harcourt) were the only children by Richard de Camville's 2nd wife, Milicent de Rethel. This is deduced by the fact that Milicent de Rethel's lands at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire (which she had by grant of her kinswoman, Queen Alice) were held after Milicent's death by the younger Richard de Camville. When the younger Richard de Camville died in 1191, he was succeeded briefly by his son and heir, John. It appears that John de Camville soon died without issue, and the lands at Stanton Harcourt reverted to his father Richard's sister, Isabel de Harcourt or her representative. Had Milicent de Rethel been the mother of the elder Richard de Camville's other sons, Stanton Harcourt would have fallen to them, ahead of Isabel Harcourt. The succession at Stanton Harcourt suggests that the younger Richard de Camville and Isabel de Harcourt were full sublings, and the only children of Milicent de Rethel by the elder Richard de Camville." And Todd Farmerie, on 10 Jan 2016, backed up Richardson's argument: "It is not how Richard came to possess Stanton that suggests he was the only (surviving, with issue) son of Richard by Milicent, it is what happened at young Richard's demise. If there was another son of Richard by Milicent, that hypothetical son would have been heir to Richard. The fact that Stanton went to Isabel is strong evidence that none of the other Camville lines derive from the same parents. (Just as a reminder, there is a quirk to English inheritance law at this period, whereby only full-blood relationships qualify. Half-brothers, whether on the Camville or Marmion sides, would not be heirs of Richard unless specified as a reversion in the original grant.) The assumptions in this conclusion are 1) that Isabel inherited Stanton, rather than having been granted it by John, heir to her brother Richard, and 2) that when Milicent granted it to Richard, she did not set up a reversion that preferred Isabel to another (hypothetical) full sibling. As far as I know, neither of these is formally excluded but parsimony would favor the most straightforward reconstruction, that Isabel inherited from John, and thus she did not have any other full siblings."

  
  

• Sources

  [S1183] John P. Ravilious, 18 May 2006, post to soc.genealogy.medieval., date only. [S142] Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families by Douglas Richardson. Salt Lake City, 2013., place only. [S1183] John P. Ravilious, 18 May 2006, post to soc.genealogy.medieval. [S76] The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Oxford University Press, 2004-ongoing. [S336] The Victoria County History of Northamptonshire. Portions online, linked from medievalgenealogy.org.uk., year only. [S7287] Women in Thirteenth-Century Lincolnshire by Louise J. Wilkinson. Woodbridge, Suffolk: A Royal Historical Society Publication, published by the Boydell Press, 2007.