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(Unknown earlier wife of Adelbert of Babenberg)

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  • Name (Unknown earlier wife of Adelbert of Babenberg)   [1, 2
    Gender Female 
    Person ID I3853  Ancestry of PNH, TNH, and others | Ancestor of AP, Ancestor of DDB, Ancestor of DGH, Ancestor of DK, Ancestor of EK, Ancestor of GFS, Ancestor of JTS, Ancestor of LDN, Ancestor of LMH, Ancestor of TNH, Ancestor of TSW, Ancestor of TWK, Ancestor of WPF
    Last Modified 5 Dec 2020 

    Family Adalbert von Babenberg,   b. Abt 980,   d. 26 May 1053  (Age ~ 73 years) 
    Children 
    +1. Ernest von Babenberg,   d. 10 Jun 1075, Homburg an der Unstrut, Langensalza, Thuringia Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 5 Dec 2020 
    Family ID F2330  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • She may possibly have been named Mathilde.

      In 1988 Charles F. H. Evans (citation details below) showed that Ernst von Babenberg is unlikely to have been a son of his father's last wife, Froiza Orseolo, sister of Hungarian king Peter Orseolo and a descendant of the Orseolo and Candiano doges of Venice, as claimed by W. H. Turton and G. Andrews Moriarty. Relying on the work of German historian Karl Lechner, Evans said Ernst was a son of his father's earlier marriage to Glismod, claimed by some to have been a Carolingian descendant.

      On 27 Mar 2018 Peter Stewart (citation details below) wrote: "This supposed connection of Glismod (a sister of bishop Meinwerk of Paderborn) to the Babenburgs has been debunked—it was suggested by Karl Lechner in 1963 based on a bit of vague evidence and rationalising away contradictory evidence. There is no Glismod in the appropriate Babenburg tomb at Melk, and no mention of her anywhere that would even slightly support that had been a wife of Adalbert of Austria. His marriages are not certain—by September 1041 at the latest he was married to king Peter Orseolo's sister Froiza/Frowila, who was subsequently named as his widow. She may have been the mother of Ernst, but it is usually thought that this was a prior wife whose name may have been Mathilde (variously proposed, without firm evidence, as daughter of Ratpoto count of Cham or of Udalirch count in the Schweinachgau)."

  • Sources 
    1. [S5096] Peter Stewart, 27 Mar 2018, post to soc.genealogy.medieval.

    2. [S5095] Charles F. H. Evans, "No Descent from the Candiano Doges of Venice." Complete Works of Charles Evans ed. Steven Edwards. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, 2003.