Alice

Family/Spouse: Richard de Camville. Richard (son of (Unknown) de Camville and (Unknown) de Vere) was born in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died in 1176 in Apulia, Sicily. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1214
• Alternate death: Bef Jan 1215

Notes:

Sheriff of Lincolnshire 1189, 1199-1205.

The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography says (without citing specific evidence) that he was the son of Richard de Camville's first wife, Alice/Adeliza.

John P. Ravilious argues otherwise: "[G]iven the chronology of the career of Gerard de Camville and of his son Richard (who was probably born ca. 1170/1180 based on his marriage to Eustache Bisset), I don't see any particular reason to attribute Gerard's birth to a period before 1145."

But Douglas Richardson wrote on SGM, 9 Jan 2016, that "Contemporary records indicate that Richard de Camville had four sons, Gerard, Walter, William, and Richard, and two daughters, Maud and Isabel. Of these children, it would appear that the son Richard and the daughter Isabel (wife of Robert de Harcourt) were the only children by Richard de Camville's 2nd wife, Milicent de Rethel. This is deduced by the fact that Milicent de Rethel's lands at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire (which she had by grant of her kinswoman, Queen Alice) were held after Milicent's death by the younger Richard de Camville. When the younger Richard de Camville died in 1191, he was succeeded briefly by his son and heir, John. It appears that John de Camville soon died without issue, and the lands at Stanton Harcourt reverted to his father Richard's sister, Isabel de Harcourt or her representative. Had Milicent de Rethel been the mother of the elder Richard de Camville's other sons, Stanton Harcourt would have fallen to them, ahead of Isabel Harcourt. The succession at Stanton Harcourt suggests that the younger Richard de Camville and Isabel de Harcourt were full sublings, and the only children of Milicent de Rethel by the elder Richard de Camville."

And Todd Farmerie, on 10 Jan 2016, backed up Richardson's argument: "It is not how Richard came to possess Stanton that suggests he was the only (surviving, with issue) son of Richard by Milicent, it is what happened at young Richard's demise. If there was another son of Richard by Milicent, that hypothetical son would have been heir to Richard. The fact that Stanton went to Isabel is strong evidence that none of the other Camville lines derive from the same parents. (Just as a reminder, there is a quirk to English inheritance law at this period, whereby only full-blood relationships qualify. Half-brothers, whether on the Camville or Marmion sides, would not be heirs of Richard unless specified as a reversion in the original grant.) The assumptions in this conclusion are 1) that Isabel inherited Stanton, rather than having been granted it by John, heir to her brother Richard, and 2) that when Milicent granted it to Richard, she did not set up a reversion that preferred Isabel to another (hypothetical) full sibling. As far as I know, neither of these is formally excluded but parsimony would favor the most straightforward reconstruction, that Isabel inherited from John, and thus she did not have any other full siblings."

Gerard married Nichole de la Haye before 1185. Nichole (daughter of Richard de la Haye and Maud de Vernon) was born in of Brattleby, Welton, Lincolnshire, England; died on 20 Nov 1230 in Swaton, North Kesteven, Lincolnshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 1230

Richard married Eustache Basset in 1200. Eustache (daughter of Gilbert Basset and Egeline de Courtenay) died before 1215. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Bef 21 Sep 1252

Idoine married William Longespée after Apr 1216. William (son of William I Longespée and Ela of Salisbury) was born before 12 May 1205; died on 7 Feb 1249 in Mansourah, Egypt. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]