Robert de Ferrers

Notes:

Earl of Derby.

Family/Spouse: Margaret Peverel. Margaret (daughter of William Peverel and Oddona) was born in of Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Earl of Derby.

"He was one of the adherents of the younger Henry on his rebellion in April 1173, and sacked and burnt Nottingham in May or June 1174. He made his submission to the King at Northampton, 31 July 1174, surrendering his castles of Tutbury and Duffield. The King took him, with other prisoners, to France in August following, and imprisoned them at Caen. [...] He died on Crusade, at the siege of Acre, in Palestine, in 1190, before 21 October. His wife survived him, and was, perhaps, living as late as 5 February 1227/8." [Complete Peerage]

His wife has long been given as Sybil, a daughter of William de Braose and Bertha of Hereford. But Complete Peerage XIV notes that the charter which was the sole evidence for this was a forgery.

Family/Spouse: (Unknown wife of William de Ferrers). (Unknown died after 5 Feb 1228. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Petronille married Hervey de Stafford before 1215. Hervey (son of Hervey Bagot and Millicent de Stafford) was born in of Stafford, Staffordshire, England; died before 12 May 1237; was buried in Stone, Staffordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

"Sheriff of Notts and Derby, for 7 weeks, February-March 1194. About that time, before the King's return to England, he supported the justiciar against John, Count of Mortain, and, with the Earl of Chester, besieged Nottingham Castle. Shortly afterwards he took part at Richard's second Coronation, 17 April, being one of the four Earls who bore the canopy. After the King's death, he was at the Council of Northampton, which declared for John as Richard's successor: he was present at the Coronation, 27 May 1199. On 7 June 1199, the King restored and confirmed to him the third penny of all the pleas pleaded per vicecomitem de Dereby, unde ipse Comes est, as amply as any of his predecessors had had the same, to hold, to him and his heirs for ever, and with his own hand girded him with the sword as an Earl. On the same day the King gave him Higham with the hundred and a half, and the park of that town, and Newbottle and Blisworth, as his right and inheritance which descended to him as right heir of the land which was of William Peverel, to hold, to him and his heirs for ever, by the service of a knlght's fee. And the Earl quit-claimed the residue of the land which was of William Peverel to the King, and paid 2,000 marks for his charter. He was present at the Coronation of Henry III, 28 October 1216. On 30 October the King granted him the castles of Peak and Bolsover, co. Derby, with the homages, and on 16 January 1216/7 the manor of Melbourne in that co., to hold till the King was 14 years of age. He assisted the Regent to raise the siege of Lincoln Castle, 20 May 1217, and with his brother-in-law, the Earl of Chester, commanded the royal forces which took and razed the castle of Montsorel. In June 1218 he went on Crusade. He was warned, 26 June 1222, to surrender the castles of Peak and Bolsover before Michaelmas. Sheriff of co. Lancaster and Keeper of the honour of Lancaster, 30 December 1223 to 2 January 1227/8. He accompanied the King in the expedition to Brittany and Poitou, April to October 1230. On 19 January 1230/1 he was given the custody of all the lands of the Normans in England which were of his fee. He was at the Council of London, February 1231/2. He was summoned for Military Service against the Scots 15 May 1244, by writ directed W. de Ferar' comiti Derebi." [Complete Peerage]

Died of the complications of gout.

William married Agnes of Chester in 1192. Agnes (daughter of Hugh of Chester and Bertrade de Montfort) died on 2 Nov 1247. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 1282

Family/Spouse: Alice Corbet. Alice (daughter of Thomas Corbet and Isabell de Valletort) was born in of Caus, Westbury, Shropshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: Aft 1278

Family/Spouse: Thomas de Furnival. Thomas (son of Gerard de Furnival and Maud de Lovetot) was born after 1200 in of Sheffield, Yorkshire, England; died about 1240 in Damietta, Egypt. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Bertha married Ralph le Bigod after 1240. Ralph (son of Hugh II le Bigod and Maud Marshal, Marshal Of England) was born after 1208 in of Stockton, Norfolk, England; died before 28 Jul 1260. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Richardson's Royal Ancestry gives her as an unnamed daughter of William de Ferrers and Agnes de Chester, but an SGM post from him on 11 Aug 2018 (citation details below) establishes via a "charter dated c. 1230-41 of John de Vipont published in Prescott, Register of the Priory of Wetherhal (Cumberland and Westmorland Antiq. & Arch. Society Records 1) (1897): 328–330" that she was named Sibyl.

Family/Spouse: John de Vipont. John (son of Robert de Vipont and Idoine de Builly) was born in 1210 in of Appleby, Westmorland, England; died before 25 Jul 1241. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Alternate death: 28 Mar 1254, Evington, Leicestershire, England

Notes:

Earl of Derby. Constable of Bolsover Castle. He died of injuries sustained when he was thrown from a chariot crossing a bridge at St. Neots in Cambridgeshire.

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So to start with, Sir William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, born 1193, helpfully had two daughters named Agnes de Ferrers.

The first Agnes de Ferrers, by Sir William's first wife Sybil Marshal, was born about 1222 and married William de Vescy (b. bef. 16 May 1205).

The second Agnes de Ferrers, by Sir William's second wife Margaret de Quincy, was born about 1252 and married Sir Robert de Muscegros (b. abt. 1252).

But that's not all!

Sir William also had two daughters named Joan de Ferrers.

Again (you're starting to get the idea by now), the first Joan de Ferrers, by Sir William's first wife Sybil Marshal, was born about 1233 and married, first Sir John de Mohun (b. abt. 1227, d. bef. 1254), and second, Sir Robert de Aguillon (b. 15 Feb 1235/36).

The second Joan de Ferrers, by Sir William's second wife Margaret de Quincy, was born in 1245 and married Thomas de Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley (b. 1245).

This second pair of Joans is made even more hilarious by the existence of yet a third Joan de Ferrers, contemporary to the other two, born abt. 1256 to a completely different William de Ferrers, the one born c. 1225, of Bere Ferrers, Tavistock, Devon.

I'm sure they all got together regularly to laugh about how aggravating this would be to people seven hundred years in the future.

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As a final piece of genealogical curiosa, Eleanor de Ferrers, youngest daughter of William de Ferrers by his first wife, married Roger de Quincy, father of William de Ferrers' second wife Roger de Quincy, thus rendering Eleanor de Ferrers and Margaret de Quincy one another's stepmothers.

William married Sybil Marshal before 14 May 1219. Sybil (daughter of William Marshal and Isabel de Clare) was born about 1204; died before 1238. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

William married Margaret de Quincy before 1239. Margaret (daughter of Roger de Quincy and Helen of Galloway) was born before 1223; died before 12 Mar 1281. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]