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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Orabel fitz Ness died before 30 Jun 1203.

    Notes:

    Countess of Mar. Also called Orabel de Leuchars.

    Orabel married Robert de Quincy before 1155, and was divorced before 1174. Robert (son of Saher I de Quincy and Maud de Senlis) was born in of Tranant, East Lothian, Scotland; died after 20 Aug 1201. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Saher de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1155 in Winchester, Hampshire, England; died on 3 Nov 1219 in Damietta, Egypt; was buried in Acre, Palestine.

    Orabel married Adam of Kilconquhar about 1175. Adam (son of Duncan I) was born about 1145; died between 1195 and 1199. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 3. Duncan of Kilconquhar  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1175; died after 1236.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Saher de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (1.Orabel1) was born in 1155 in Winchester, Hampshire, England; died on 3 Nov 1219 in Damietta, Egypt; was buried in Acre, Palestine.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: of Grantchester, Cambridgeshire, England

    Notes:

    Earl of Winchester. Also spelled Saier, Saer.

    Magna Carta surety.

    Steward of the King 1205-7; Constable of Fotheringay Castle 1215; Judge in the King's Court 1211, 1213-14; Keeper of Canford and Hedingham Castles 1214.

    Died in the Fifth Crusade. His heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family. The rest of him was buried in Acre. [Royal Ancestry]

    Saher married Margaret of Leicester before 1173. Margaret (daughter of Robert de Breteuil and Pernel de Grandmesnil) died on 12 Jan 1235. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 4. Robert de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point died after 20 May 1217 in London, England; was buried in Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, London, England.
    2. 5. Hawise de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point died after 1263; was buried in Earl's Colne Priory, Halstead, Great Bromley, Essex, England.
    3. 6. Orabel de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 7. Roger de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1195; was christened in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England; died on 25 Apr 1264.
    5. 8. Robert de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1200 in of Wakes Colne, Essex, England; died in Aug 1257.

  2. 3.  Duncan of Kilconquhar Descendancy chart to this point (1.Orabel1) was born about 1175; died after 1236.

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 9. (Unknown heir of Duncan of Kilconquhar)  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1200 and 1210; died before 1240.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Robert de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) died after 20 May 1217 in London, England; was buried in Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, London, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 1232

    Notes:

    First of his name. Not to be confused with his younger brother Robert de Quincy (1200-1257).

    "The circumstances of his death by misadventure -- he was accidentally poisoned through medicine prepared by a Cistercian monk -- are fully described by Giraldus [Brackley Deeds]. His heart was bur. with that of his mother at Brackley." [Complete Peerage]

    Robert married Hawise of Chester between 1197 and 1200. Hawise (daughter of Hugh of Chester and Bertrade de Montfort) was born in 1180; died before 19 Feb 1243. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 10. Margaret de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1217; died before 30 Mar 1266 in Hampstead, Middlesex, England; was buried in Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, London, England.

  2. 5.  Hawise de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) died after 1263; was buried in Earl's Colne Priory, Halstead, Great Bromley, Essex, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Aft 1273

    Hawise married Hugh de Vere after 11 Feb 1223. Hugh (son of Robert de Vere and Isabel de Bolebec) was born about 1210 in of Castle Hedingham, Essex, England; died before 23 Dec 1263; was buried in Earl's Colne Priory, Halstead, Great Bromley, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 11. Isabel de Vere  Descendancy chart to this point died before 7 Jan 1291; was buried in Cowick Priory, Exeter, Devon, England.
    2. 12. Lora de Vere  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 13. Robert de Vere  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1240; died before 7 Sep 1296; was buried in Earl's Colne Priory, Halstead, Great Bromley, Essex, England.

  3. 6.  Orabel de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1)

    Notes:

    Also called Arabella. Predeceased her husband.

    Orabel married Richard de Harcourt before 1219. Richard (son of William de Harcourt and Alice Noel) was born about 1202 in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died about Jan 1258. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 14. William de Harcourt  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died before 5 Jul 1270.
    2. 15. William de Harcourt  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1227 in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died between 1270 and 19 Apr 1271.

  4. 7.  Roger de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born about 1195; was christened in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England; died on 25 Apr 1264.

    Notes:

    Earl of Winchester. In right of his first wife, hereditary Constable of Scotland. "At his death he was probably the greatest Anglo-Scottish landowner of his day" [Oxford Dictionary of National Biography].

    From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:

    "Little is known of Roger de Quincy before 1219. He was probably the son whom Saer delivered to King John in 1213 as a Scottish hostage for the security of the Anglo-Scottish treaty of 1212. He emerged onto the political stage in 1215 when, along with Saer and the leaders of the baronial rebellion against John, he was excommunicated by Innocent III (r. 1198–1216), but did not figure prominently in the civil war that followed the king's death. [...]

    "Roger de Quincy did not hold the prominence in politics that his father had commanded in England [...] but his wealth secured him an important role. In 1239 and 1246 he joined in written remonstrances from the English nobility to Gregory IX (r. 1227–41) and Innocent IV (r. 1243–54) concerning papal interference in English affairs. Association with the stirrings of dissatisfaction with the government of Henry III expressed in the parliaments of 1248 and 1254 led to identification with the baronial opposition in 1258. At the Oxford parliament Quincy was elected by the barons to the twelve-member commission charged with attendance at the three annual parliaments provided for under the provisions of Oxford, and was appointed also to the committee that arranged the financial aid promised to Henry. In 1259 he led a delegation to St Omer to intercept Richard, earl of Cornwall (d. 1272), and forbid him to return to England until he had sworn to observe the provisions of Oxford. This appears to have been Roger de Quincy's last major act, for he played little part in subsequent events which culminated in open conflict between the king and his baronial opponents, and died on 25 April 1264, eighteen days after Henry had precipitated the country into civil war."

    Family/Spouse: Helen of Galloway. Helen (daughter of Alan fitz Roland and (Unknown daughter of Roger de Lacy)) died after 21 Nov 1245; was buried in Brackley, Northamptonshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 16. Elizabeth de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point died before 4 May 1303.
    2. 17. Ellen de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1222 in Winchester, Hampshire, England; died before 20 Aug 1296.
    3. 18. Margaret de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1223; died before 12 Mar 1281.

    Family/Spouse: Eleanor de Ferrers. Eleanor (daughter of William de Ferrers and Sybil Marshal) died before 26 Oct 1274; was buried on 26 Oct 1274. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  5. 8.  Robert de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born before 1200 in of Wakes Colne, Essex, England; died in Aug 1257.

    Notes:

    Second of his name. Not to be confused with his older brother Robert de Quincy (d. 1217). Took the cross in 1250.

    Robert married Ellen of Wales before 5 Dec 1237. Ellen (daughter of Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth and Joan of England) died before 24 Oct 1253. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 19. Joan de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point died on 25 Nov 1283.
    2. 20. Hawise de Quincy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1250; died before 27 Mar 1285.

  6. 9.  (Unknown heir of Duncan of Kilconquhar) Descendancy chart to this point (3.Duncan2, 1.Orabel1) was born between 1200 and 1210; died before 1240.

    Notes:

    Alex Mindwell Findlater (citation details below) suggests from heraldic evidence that he may have married a daughter of Bernard Fraser (abt 1190-abt 1249), a brother of this Gilbert Fraser.

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 21. Adam of Kilconquhar  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1235; died before 1273 in Acre, Palestine.


Generation: 4

  1. 10.  Margaret de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (4.Robert3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born before 1217; died before 30 Mar 1266 in Hampstead, Middlesex, England; was buried in Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, London, England.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: Abt 1209

    Notes:

    Identified by Wightman as Margaret de Quincy, but his report of her parentage is wrong.

    "Margaret de Quincy, 2nd Countess of Lincoln suo jure (c. 1206 – March 1266) was a wealthy English noblewoman and heiress having inherited in her own right the Earldom of Lincoln and honours of Bolingbroke from her mother Hawise of Chester, received a dower from the estates of her first husband, and acquired a dower third from the extensive earldom of Pembroke following the death of her second husband, Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke. Her first husband was John de Lacy, 2nd Earl of Lincoln, by whom she had two children. He was created 2nd Earl of Lincoln by right of his marriage to Margaret. Margaret has been described as 'one of the two towering female figures of the mid-13th century'." [Wikipedia]

    Margaret married John de Lacy before 21 Jun 1221. John (son of Roger de Lacy and Maud de Clare) was born about 1192 in of Pontefract, Yorkshire, England; died on 22 Jul 1240; was buried in Stanlaw Abbey, Wirrall, Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 22. Maud de Lacy  Descendancy chart to this point died before 10 Mar 1289.
    2. 23. Edmund de Lacy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1230; died on 2 Jun 1258; was buried in Stanlaw Abbey, Wirrall, Cheshire, England.

    Margaret married Walter Marshal in Jan 1242. Walter (son of William Marshal and Isabel de Clare) died on 24 Nov 1245 in Goodrich Castle, Herefordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 11.  Isabel de Vere Descendancy chart to this point (5.Hawise3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) died before 7 Jan 1291; was buried in Cowick Priory, Exeter, Devon, England.

    Family/Spouse: Oliver de Dinham. Oliver (son of Geoffrey de Dinham) was born about 1234 in of Hartland, Devon, England; died on 26 Feb 1299; was buried in Cowick Priory, Exeter, Devon, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 24. Josce de Dinham  Descendancy chart to this point was born between 1273 and 1275 in of Hartland, Devon, England; died on 30 Mar 1301.

    Isabel married John de Courtenay after 6 Oct 1240. John (son of Robert de Courtenay and Mary de Revières) was born in of Okehampton, Devon, England; died on 3 May 1274; was buried in Ford Abbey, Dorset, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 25. Hugh de Courtenay  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 25 Mar 1251 in of Okehampton, Devon, England; died on 28 Feb 1292 in Colecombe, Devon, England; was buried in Cowick Priory, Exeter, Devon, England.

  3. 12.  Lora de Vere Descendancy chart to this point (5.Hawise3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1)

    Family/Spouse: Reginald de Argentein. Reginald (son of Giles de Argentein and Margery Aguillon) died before 3 Mar 1308. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 26. John de Argentein  Descendancy chart to this point died before 20 Oct 1318.

  4. 13.  Robert de Vere Descendancy chart to this point (5.Hawise3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born about 1240; died before 7 Sep 1296; was buried in Earl's Colne Priory, Halstead, Great Bromley, Essex, England.

    Notes:

    Earl of Oxford. His heart was buried at Grey Friars Abbey, Ipswich.

    "He joined the rebellion of Simon de Montfort and was knighted by him before the battle of Lewes, 14 May 1264. He was captured at the battle of Kenilworth, 31 July 1265 and later released." [The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, citation details below.]

    Robert married Alice de Sanford before 22 Feb 1252. Alice (daughter of Gilbert de Sanford and Lorette la Zouche) died before 9 Sep 1312 in Canfield, Essex, England; was buried in Earl's Colne Priory, Halstead, Great Bromley, Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 27. Joan de Vere  Descendancy chart to this point died about 23 Nov 1293; was buried in Lewes Priory, Sussex, England.
    2. 28. Alphonse de Vere  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 1262 in of Aston Sanford, Buckinghamshire, England; died before 20 Dec 1328; was buried in St. Albans Abbey, Hertfordshire, England.

  5. 14.  William de Harcourt Descendancy chart to this point (6.Orabel3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died before 5 Jul 1270.

    Family/Spouse: Alice la Zouche. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 29. Orabel de Harcourt  Descendancy chart to this point died before 18 May 1278.

  6. 15.  William de Harcourt Descendancy chart to this point (6.Orabel3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born before 1227 in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died between 1270 and 19 Apr 1271.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Bef 5 Jul 1270

    Notes:

    He joined Simon de Montfort in the rebellion against Henry III.

    William married Hillary de Hastings about 1256. Hillary (daughter of Henry Hastings and Ada of Huntingdon) died after 1294. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 30. Richard de Harcourt  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 9 Dec 1256 in of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England; died before 1 Mar 1293.

  7. 16.  Elizabeth de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (7.Roger3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) died before 4 May 1303.

    Notes:

    Also called Isabella.

    Family/Spouse: Alexander Comyn. Alexander (son of William Comyn and Margaret of Buchan) was born in of Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland; died before 6 Apr 1290. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 31. Elizabeth Comyn  Descendancy chart to this point died before 17 Feb 1329; was buried in Hexham Priory, Northumberland, England.
    2. 32. Alexander Comyn  Descendancy chart to this point died in 1308.
    3. 33. Marjory Comyn  Descendancy chart to this point

  8. 17.  Ellen de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (7.Roger3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born about 1222 in Winchester, Hampshire, England; died before 20 Aug 1296.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate birth: of Brackley, Northamptonshire, England

    Notes:

    Also called Helen; Elena; Elene.

    Ellen married Alan la Zouche before 1242. Alan (son of Roger la Zouche and Margaret Biset) was born in of Molton, Devon, England; died on 10 Aug 1270. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 34. Roger la Zouche  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1241 in of Ashby de la Zouche, Leicestershire, England; died before 15 Oct 1285.
    2. 35. Oliver la Zouche  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1250 in of South Charford, Hampshire, England; died between 1316 and 1327.
    3. 36. Margaret la Zouche  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1251 in Winchester, Hampshire, England.

  9. 18.  Margaret de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (7.Roger3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born before 1223; died before 12 Mar 1281.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: 1294

    Margaret married William de Ferrers before 1239. William (son of William de Ferrers and Agnes of Chester) was born about 1193 in of Tutbury, Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England; died on 24 Mar 1254 in Evington, Leicestershire, England; was buried on 31 Mar 1254 in Merevale Abbey, Warwickshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 37. Joan de Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point died on 19 Mar 1310; was buried in Abbey Church of St. Augustine, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England.
    2. 38. Robert de Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1239; died about 1279; was buried in St. Thomas Priory, Staffordshire, England.
    3. 39. William de Ferrers  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1240 in of Groby, Leicestershire, England; died before 20 Dec 1287.

  10. 19.  Joan de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (8.Robert3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) died on 25 Nov 1283.

    Family/Spouse: Humphrey de Bohun. Humphrey (son of Humphrey de Bohun and Maud of Eu) was born in of Havering, Essex, England; died on 27 Oct 1265 in Beeston Castle, Cheshire, England; was buried in Combermere Abbey, Cheshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  11. 20.  Hawise de Quincy Descendancy chart to this point (8.Robert3, 2.Saher2, 1.Orabel1) was born about 1250; died before 27 Mar 1285.

    Hawise married Baldwin Wake before 5 Feb 1268. Baldwin (son of Hugh Wake and Joanne de Stuteville) was born about 1238 in of Liddell, Cumberland, England; died on 5 Feb 1282. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 40. Hugh Wake  Descendancy chart to this point was born in of Winterbourne Stoke, Berkshire, England; died before 18 May 1312.
    2. 41. John Wake  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1268; died about 10 Apr 1300.

  12. 21.  Adam of Kilconquhar Descendancy chart to this point (9.(Unknown3, 3.Duncan2, 1.Orabel1) was born about 1235; died before 1273 in Acre, Palestine.

    Other Events and Attributes:

    • Alternate death: Between 1272 and 1273

    Notes:

    Died on the Ninth Crusade.

    Adam married Marjory of Carrick between 1260 and 1266. Marjory (daughter of Neil and Isabel) was born about 1252; died before Nov 1292. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 42. (Unknown half-sister of Robert de Brus, King of Scotland)  Descendancy chart to this point


 

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