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January 15, 2003

Among the comments posted to this post was this thoughtful contribution:
Teddy Bare had hanky panky with a chick who wound up dead, Biden plagarized, Clinton got head from a ditzy Jew broad and lied to the people, KKK bigwig Byrd bandied the white N*gger around, Condit got caught hanky panky with a ditzy jew chick who wound up dead.
From someone calling themselves “Army E8”, email address “roknokr@aol.com”, IP address 205.188.209.16.

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Avram ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 02:44 AM:

The beginning has a singsong rhythm to it. It's actually almost poetic. Reminds me a little of Jim Carroll's "People Who Died". Let's see...

Teddy Bare had hanky panky with a chick who wound up dead,
Clinton told a lie about the ditzy broad who gave him head,
Klansman Byrd shot off his mouth about "white niggers" all around,
Gary Condit screwed a Jewish chick who wound up in the ground.

Couldn't fit Biden in there.

ChuckEye ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 03:59 AM:

I was hearing the same song in my head... Glad I'm not the only one...

Cowboy Kahlil ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 05:51 AM:

I shoulda known.... while I'm busy commenting on the schmuck from your previous entry, you're one step ahead, publicizing what you can about the poster.

I wonder if any AOLers can find more info from his AOL profile?

Jon Meltzer ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 06:37 AM:

Actually, it's The Nails' classic "88 Lines about 44 Politicians ... uh, Women"

http://www.angelfire.com/me2/zelsparkbench/song338.html

D. Potter ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 09:18 AM:

[roknokr] has no profile. (Not much else, either.)

Erik V. Olson ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 09:22 AM:

Hmm. He claims an AOL account. Let's see...

$whois -h whois.arin.net 205.188.209.16

OrgName: America Online, Inc
OrgID: AMERIC-59

NetRange: 205.188.0.0 - 205.188.255.255
CIDR: 205.188.0.0/16
NetName: AOL-DTC
NetHandle: NET-205-188-0-0-1
Parent: NET-205-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: DNS-01.NS.AOL.COM
NameServer: DNS-02.NS.AOL.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 1998-04-18
Updated: 1998-04-27

What do you know. He is AOL. I certainly belive his posting is in contrast to AOL's ToS.


julia ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 09:25 AM:

I think I got a visit from your young friend as well.

Myke ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 10:52 AM:

I agree that what the guy said is nasty, but I thought we didn't think "Army E8 deserves that much energy"?

So he says stupid stuff. The world is full of folks who do that. Some of them make for amusing quotations.

Alicia ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 12:10 PM:

I absolutely heard the tune of "88 lines about 44 women" in your song and would love to read a full version of "88 lines about 44 politicians."

I am also glad you left the post up for people to read someone's alternate view, as much of a joke as he seems to be. It reminds me there are all kinds of people in the world, and many of them vote without a full understanding of the issues at hand. *sigh*

Erik V. Olson ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 02:19 PM:

Myke writes:

So he says stupid stuff. The world is full of folks who do that. Some of them make for amusing quotations.

Maybe this is the problem. We just let them go on. Sometimes, we laugh at them. But, other than that, they can say the most obnoxious things, and they walk away.

So, others do so. Then more. Soon, the whole political discourse turns into, well, I suggest you check your AM dial.

Maybe we shouldn't walk away anymore. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.

Myke ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 02:32 PM:

I definitely see your point, but I think the social consequence (ostracization) is plenty.

But I am, admittedly, a free speech absolutist.

Anyway, what I don't want to see is the same budding rancor that caused the comment section of this forum (which I really enjoy) to get stripped in the first place. So I subscribe to the theory of ignore-him-paying-attention-only-encourages-him.

Army E8 ::: (view all by) ::: January 15, 2003, 09:30 PM:

No none can say I lied. I can also say the complete message was not transposted. Of course if the truth is not to be discussed then post your requirements in advance and the worthy will avoid your little fest.

By the same token, Livingston resigned, Gingrich resigned, De Lay resigned.

Republicans resign, Democrats hang on fairly well protected by the media.

I for one cannot understand the consternation.

I am a retired Army E8 with 21 years of honorable serviced in defense of our country!

Jon Meltzer ::: (view all by) ::: January 16, 2003, 12:11 PM:

Time to devowel ...

Daryl McCullough ::: (view all by) ::: January 16, 2003, 12:54 PM:

Actually, it reminds me of the song "Pepper" by the band whose name I don't like to say:
http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~harel/cgi/page/htmlit?Pepper.html


Another Mikey took a knife
while arguing in traffic
Flipper died a natural death
he caught a nasty virus
Then there was the ever-present
football player rapist
They were all in love with Diane
They were doing it in Texas
Polly caught a bullet
but it only hit his leg
well it should have been a better shot
and got him in the head

They were all in love with dyin'
They were drinking from a fountain
That was pouring like an avalanche
coming down the mountain

Kevin J. Maroney ::: (view all by) ::: January 16, 2003, 02:44 PM:

I'm just trying to figure out the alternate universe he's describing, where Newt Gingrich resigned over a scandal and where Tom DeLay resigned at all. It's a weirdly specific universe.

I'm also trying to imagine a universe where the fact that Monica Lewinsky is Jewish is in any way important even to the pure scandalmongers. Alas, tthat's a much easier world to picture.

Jon Meltzer ::: (view all by) ::: January 16, 2003, 05:40 PM:

DeLay, Lott ... they all look alike.

David de la Fuente ::: (view all by) ::: January 17, 2003, 03:18 AM:

I wish Army E8 and all the other worshipping servicemen would address Bush's ducking of his National Guard commitment. Do they not care that their noble profession is debased by a bunch of chickenhawk politicians using them for crass, craven political gain? It astounds me that Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, Chambliss and all the rest get a free pass while Clinton, who at least had the guts to admit he was against Vietnam, gets pilloried. There is no justice.

gttim ::: (view all by) ::: January 17, 2003, 02:38 PM:

Avram nailed it. Jim Carroll's "People who died." I am quite sure other songs fit the pattern, however.

slacktivist ::: (view all by) ::: January 17, 2003, 10:29 PM:

Gingrich resigned, but certainly not because of his below-radar scandals. And he later got promoted to Sunday morning spokesman.

DeLay didn't resign -- and if he meant Lott, he didn't resign either, he just got shuffled to more of a behind-the-scenes puppet-master-ish post to make room for the slightly more telegenic Dr. Frist.

And E8 was never discharged or censured for antisemitism, he retired.

Cowboy Kahlil ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2003, 12:10 AM:

21 years serviced. And the Soviets folded first. Hooeyboy, we sure lucked out, considerin' those odds.

And consider the odds if Bush had actually seen action.

Oh well, we survived and that's what's important.

Grant Barrett ::: (view all by) ::: January 19, 2003, 06:19 PM:

A "rock knocker" is a geologist, a type of drum stick, or a drummer.

For what it's worth.

Larry Kestenbaum ::: (view all by) ::: January 20, 2003, 08:59 AM:

Just a few weeks ago, I got a somewhat more threatening letter which asked "What business does a Jew have in placing the name of my uncle on their website? ... This is your final warning." See the whole correspondence here.

Since it was email, rather than a comment posting, I didn't include his address, but it was also an AOL account.

Onager ::: (view all by) ::: January 21, 2003, 03:38 AM:

Ever notice how postings like E8's always seem heavy on the 50 cent words and stilted formal prose? The Truth - not to be discussed - worthy - fest - consternation; who talks like that? Heck who, outside of a North Korean propagana poet, a William Pierce character, or Skelletor, even thinks like that? All that was missing was a " you'll rue the day!"
Still, I suppose they've got to get some use out of that complimentary Readers Digest Theasaurus set.

And then there are the factual inaccuracies. Sure "no none" can say he lied, they can simply say he appears to live in an alternate universe where Tom DeLay resigned after finally getting caught hot-tubbing with the wrong Betty Bowers clone. In this universe the Exterminator is still very much in power.