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November 14, 2009

Scraps. Bad. [Update: Doing better. See below.]
Posted by Teresa at 07:28 PM * 186 comments

I just heard from Velma Bowen. She says it looks like Scraps—Soren de Selby—may be having another stroke. They’ve called 911 and are waiting for the ambulance to arrive.

I asked her whether there was anything we could do. She said “Prayer.” I asked her whether there was anyone she wanted me to tell, and she said “Everybody.”

I could use some help with the telling. Mention Velma in your prayers, too.

If there’s more news, I’ll add it here.

7:52: They’re at New York Methodist Hospital.

Velma reports that Scraps is compos mentis and furious (no details on that), and that his blood pressure is somewhat low. For all of which we are grateful.

9:36: Velma texts to say CAT scan soon; also, Howard is there, and he says “Due diligence to figure out what’s the matter.” I add, Howard knows this stuff.

I further add, IMO, things are sounding better than they might, but Scraps clearly needs to be in the hospital.

11:11: Velma says not to sit up all night. She’ll call if there’s news, and I’ll keep updating.

1:19: Helen, who’s also been at the hospital, says:

Howard and I just got back from the hospital. Soren did not have a stroke. At 7pm Soren had a seizure which lasted about 2 minutes, Velma called 911 and he was taken to the hospital. At 9:50 pm Soren had a second seizure while in the hospital which lasted for 2 and a half minutes.

He was given medication to relax him and to stop the seizures. His blood pressure was on the high side while we were there. A CAT scan showed some abnormalities but those could be contributed to residual artifact from the stroke. He is probably going to be held 24-48 hours for observation, given anti-seizure medications, and then referred to his primary doctor for followup.

As Cousin Linkmeister observed, “it seems very odd to think ‘phew, seizure,’ but when the alternative is stroke, I guess that’s the appropriate response.”

2:08: Velma posts:

It’s a bit after 2am, and I’m home. Soren’s in a room at Methodist, and the plan is to saturate his system with anti-seizure meds, have a neurosurgeon take a look at the CAT scans, and see what happens. He’ll be in the hospital at least until Monday or Tuesday.

He has speech, though he’s somewhat disoriented by the hospital setting, and he’s unhappy and drugged-drowsy.

Thank you all for prayers, good thoughts, and spreading the word. I’m going to follow his mother’s directions and go to bed. I’ll try to be more coherent in the morning.

3:09 PM: Velma texted: “Keeping Scraps till Tuesday @ earliest. EKG will be tomorrow.” Patrick had a conversation with her about whether that’s an EKG or EEG. Velma said NYMH staff had initially been saying EEG, but now were saying EKG. She couldn’t tell whether they’d changed their plans or were simply misspeaking.

Comments on Scraps. Bad. [Update: Doing better. See below.]:
#1 ::: Vicki ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 07:43 PM:

Shit!

*deep breath*

You know how to reach me but if not, 411 will remind you.

#2 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 07:46 PM:

Aw, W#E$%^&*().

#3 ::: elise ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 07:47 PM:

Prayin' as directed.

#4 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 07:49 PM:

No! I'll be thinking of them.

#5 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:03 PM:

This is the thing Scraps most fears. Whatever else is happening right now, he's scared.

We just went grocery shopping with him last night. They're supposed to be coming over for Thanksgiving. He and Velma were over last weekend for dinner and hanging out.

#6 ::: Ken Houghton ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:06 PM:

Hope it's better than expected. Luck to all who need it.

#7 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:10 PM:

Praying.

#8 ::: beth meacham ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:16 PM:

Sending light and healing to him. I hope it's not.

#9 ::: Pendrift ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:16 PM:

Oh no. *prayers*. How can we help, from near or far? Is the Donate button here still working?

#11 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:21 PM:

Pendrift: yes, it is.

#12 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:27 PM:

Praying as hard as I can. Hang in there, all.

#13 ::: Rikibeth ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:34 PM:

Caught the tweet, posted it on my LJ. I'm not good at praying, but I'll try.

#14 ::: Lois Fundis ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:38 PM:

Prayers and good wishes on their way!

#15 ::: Paula Helm Murray ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:40 PM:

I tried to respond to a friend on LJ and got told my post has some bad unicode.

I'm praying for all I'm worth on this. I've seen the ill effects of stokes both in a beloved great uncle and my friend Pat Taylor. I know it's possible to recover from one, but repeated strokes are very bad.

I've already had a very bad 24 hours. Heavy sigh.

#16 ::: Mary Aileen ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:42 PM:

Oh, no. He has my prayers.

#17 ::: Kevin Riggle ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:42 PM:

Dammit.

Coming back from the airport a couple days ago, I saw a couple on the T who reminded me a lot of Scraps and Velma, though I don't think it was them -- about their ages, and he'd obviously had a stroke and was recovering. Despite that they seemed very happy, and I sent positive thoughts skyward for all of them. Words are inadequate at this latest development, but -- keep us posted.

#18 ::: Judy Bemis ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:44 PM:

darn it.

prayers started, candles lit

#19 ::: Andrew Willett ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:44 PM:

Aw, fuck. Fuck.

Word spread; mojo being mustered.

#20 ::: Dan Layman-Kennedy ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:51 PM:

Sending what good thoughts I can up your way. This is the last thing anyone needs.

#21 ::: Darice Moore ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:51 PM:

Oh no. Lighting a candle here...

#22 ::: Jane Hawkins ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:55 PM:

I got the special green candle out of the case upstairs. Tamara Vining is due here soon. When she arrives, I will light the candle and we will pray for both of them.

Please, please, please -- hang in there, Soren.

#23 ::: Don Fitch ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 08:59 PM:

Hoping prayer (and a candle) from an agnositic will help.

#24 ::: Bether ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:01 PM:

Praying. I do not know either Scraps or Velma, but they are clearly much-beloved, and multiple strokes are no damn good. I hope, I hope for the best.

#25 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:02 PM:

According to texts from Velma, he is bitching mightily and he wants to go home. And his BP is slightly low.

Jane: thank you, I texted your comment straight to Velma at the hospital.

#26 ::: Yatima ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:03 PM:

Aww hell no. Crying, and I've never met them. Sending Soren all my qi.

#27 ::: Edgar lo Siento ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:04 PM:

Whoa! Prayed for.

#28 ::: beth meacham ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:10 PM:

Low BP and bitching sounds good to me. Shut up, Scraps,and let people make sure you're ok.

#29 ::: Melissa Mead ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:10 PM:

Oh no. Praying.

#30 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:13 PM:

Being angry and unreasonable can also be a sign of head injury, but the low blood pressure is good news.

Of course, it could just be that he's back in New York Methodist Hospital. I'd grouse too.

#31 ::: Harry Connolly ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:20 PM:

Best wishes to him.

#32 ::: Bruce Cohen (Speaker To Managers) ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:27 PM:

Damn, that's about the worst news I can think of. Prayer isn't my thing, but I'm certainly going to be thinking positive thoughts in Scraps' direction.

#33 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:27 PM:

Sending good thoughts. Bright blessings for a swift recovery and for it not to have been anything too bad.

#34 ::: Avram ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:31 PM:

TNH @30, if I were having a stroke on top of recovering from an earlier one, I'd be pretty angry too.

Goddamn.

#35 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:36 PM:

Not a praying man, but intense hopeful thoughts and good wishes directed his way.

#36 ::: Ellen Datlow ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:39 PM:

Damn! My love going out to them both. I hope hope hope he's out of there as quickly as possible.

#37 ::: sdn ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:46 PM:

oh god. i know you'll update so i'll keep checking back.

#38 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:47 PM:

Best of luck to him. I'm not the praying sort, but good thoughts are heading in his direction.

#39 ::: Mary Frances ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:52 PM:

Praying hard.

#40 ::: Summer Storms ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 09:57 PM:

I'm another who's never met either of them, but praying here as well.

#41 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 10:08 PM:

Saw the Twitter shouts and have retweeted the news and the Donate Button link. Am keeping my mental candle lit. And am hitting refresh somewhat compulsively, here and there.

#42 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 10:13 PM:

Good luck, best wishes, etc.

#43 ::: Cathy ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 10:15 PM:

Best wishes for both Scraps and Velma.

#44 ::: albatross ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 10:25 PM:

He's in my prayers, too, FWIW.

#45 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 10:30 PM:

Thoughts and good wishes from here as well. Not a praying sort, either, but still there's power in the sending of light. Hoping for you both to take care of yourselves as well!

#46 ::: D. Potter ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 10:31 PM:

Just got back from church (and shopping). I'll say a rosary round for him.

#47 ::: heresiarch ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 10:50 PM:

Crossing fingers, sending positive thoughts. Best wishes for all y'all.

#48 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 10:55 PM:

My best wishes.

#49 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 11:01 PM:

For those who don't know Scraps de Selby and Velma Bowen, and those who do:

deSelbyBowen.com.

Susan Palwick, Kathryn Cramer, Scraps, TNH, PNH, in 1988. This would have been when Scraps and Patrick and I shared an office at the publishing house where we worked as literary criticism reference series editors. The three of us are having our usual reaction to having our pictures taken without warning.

Scraps and Velma, this past July, at a KGB reading. The photo's by Ellen Datlow.

Another photo of Scraps from the same occasion. Even without the cane, I'd know this was a post-stroke photo -- there aren't enough quirks and crotchets in his facial muscles.

Photos from a happier occasion: Kat and Jamie's wedding.

Piano bar photos. Scraps and Velma love the piano bar scene. (They aren't the only ones. Photo #3, the one labeled "Andrew," is Andrew Willett.)

One of Soren's earliest daytrips after the stroke. Helen, in the black and silver sweater, is up at the hospital with Velma right now.

#50 ::: Joel Nelson ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 11:07 PM:

I just got back from fellowship after church. I prayed in the name of Jesus that God heal, strengthen, and provide for both Scraps and Velma. May God bless them both!

#51 ::: JKRichard ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 11:10 PM:

I'm emotionally swamped here...but I'll lend some positive thoughts to Scraps and Velma.

-Jeff

#52 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 11:19 PM:

Those are some wonderful photos. Thank you for sharing them.

#53 ::: Karen Summerly ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 11:23 PM:

Here by Elise's LJ post. Sending good thoughts and good wishes to both Soren and Velma. May it turn out to be minor and fixable. Or even a false alarm.

#54 ::: Lee ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 11:27 PM:

GoodThoughts being sent.

#55 ::: Joyce Reynolds-Ward ::: (view all by) ::: November 14, 2009, 11:38 PM:

Prayers being said. Damn.

#56 ::: Lizzy L ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:00 AM:

Oh, no.

Prayers, can and will do.

#57 ::: Harriet Culver ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:17 AM:

Prayers ascending for Scraps, and Velma!

#58 ::: Tracie ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:27 AM:

I'm praying for you, Scraps and Velma.

#59 ::: Randolph ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:35 AM:

Sympathies.

#60 ::: Clifton Royston ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:39 AM:

oh gosh, oh gosh. sending them both good white light.

#61 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:46 AM:

Warm aloha thoughts to Soren, Velma and his other helpers.

#62 ::: RedStapler ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:51 AM:

Oh no!

I just saw him last week and marveled at how well he's recovering.

My thoughts and love are with them.

#63 ::: JB Segal ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:52 AM:

My thoughts are with Velma and Soren...

#64 ::: pericat ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:56 AM:

We'll be thinking of Scraps, and Velma, and pushing for a speedy, healthy, happy outcome.

#65 ::: Judge ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 12:58 AM:

Dammit.

#66 ::: slfisher ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:07 AM:

God damn it. He was just starting to get over the last one.

#67 ::: skzb ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:12 AM:

My thoughts and hopes are with him.

#68 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:14 AM:

Dammit, not again! I don't have anybody to pray to these days, but I do hope things work out for the best.

#69 ::: Helen ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:19 AM:

Howard and I just got back from the hospital. Soren did not have a stroke. At 7pm Soren had a seizure which lasted about 2 minutes, Velma called 911 and he was taken to the hospital. At 9:50 pm Soren had a second seizure while in the hospital which lasted for 2 and a half minutes. He was given medication to relax him and to stop the seizures. His blood pressure was on the high side while we were there. A CAT scan showed some abnormalities but those could be contributed to residual artifact from the stroke. He is probably going to be held 24-48 hours for observation, given anti-seizure medications and then referred to his primary doctor for followup.

#70 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:45 AM:

#69: Thanks for the update. Seizures are nothing to sneeze at, but I imagine that beats a stroke.

#71 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:45 AM:

Helen, It seems very odd to think "phew, seizure," but when the alternative is stroke, I guess that's the appropriate response.

#72 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:46 AM:

Helen, It seems very odd to think "phew, seizure," but when the alternative is stroke, I guess that's the appropriate response.

#73 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:56 AM:

Thank you, Helen. I'll re-post that to the front page.

#74 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:59 AM:

Helen, was that "contributed" supposed to be "attributed"?

#75 ::: Lenny Bailes ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 02:03 AM:

Tuning in late after spending all day writing in a coffee house. Good wishes and healing beams sent in the direction of our friend Scraps.

#76 ::: Velma ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 02:08 AM:

It's a bit after 2am, and I'm home. Soren's in a room at Methodist, and the plan is to saturate his system with anti-seizure meds, have a neurosurgeon take a look at the CAT scans, and see what happens. He'll be in the hospital at least until Monday or Tuesday.

He has speech, though he's somewhat disoriented by the hospital setting, and he's unhappy and drugged-drowsy.

Thank you all for prayers, good thoughts, and spreading the word. I'm going to follow his mother's directions and go to bed. I'll try to be more coherent in the morning.

#77 ::: ebear ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 02:08 AM:

Prayers, check. I don't believe in them, but I hear they work anyway, so I send 'em.

#78 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 02:29 AM:

Prayers, or good thoughts, or light, or what have you. We're adding our mite out here in the west, thinking of Soren and of Velma. May this resolve quickly and he be home where he wants to be.

Dammit.

#79 ::: Lucy Huntzinger ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 02:51 AM:

Signal received. Hoping for the best for him, always.

#80 ::: kate ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 03:10 AM:

Damn. Seizure's better than the alternative, but...

Prayin' as I am able.

#81 ::: Rob Hansen ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 03:36 AM:

Bloody hell! That was a scare they really didn't need. I sincerely hope the siezure is a one-off event. My best wishes to them both.

#82 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 05:11 AM:

Hey Lucy, Rob, Mad. Just woke up. Good to see you.

#83 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 05:13 AM:

Patrick points out that I've got my dates wrong, and that by the time that photo of Kathryn's was taken, he and Scraps and I had left Chelsea House and were working at Tor.

#84 ::: Julia Jones ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 05:16 AM:

Praying for Scraps and for Velma.

#85 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 05:49 AM:

Prayers, yes, though by the time I woke up and saw this, some of it's thanksgiving as well.

#86 ::: Raphael ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 06:18 AM:

Oh dear. Best wishes. Best of luck.

#87 ::: Tania ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 06:19 AM:

Damn. My thoughts and demands (no wishes here) for a speedy recovery are going his way.

#88 ::: Dave Bell ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 06:39 AM:

Something similar happened to my mother, a long time ago. The doctors didn't communicate so well, but eventually it came out that she had suffered a stroke, and then seizures attributable to the damage from the stroke.

35 years ago, and she's still around.

This ain't good, but it's not a "Call House" weirdness. At least, the hoofbeats aren't likely to be passing zebras.

#89 ::: Helen ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 07:51 AM:

In response to #74 from Teresa

Yes, attributed. Lack of sleep and worrying makes my typing and thinking skills less than perfect. My apologies.

#90 ::: Mez ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 09:15 AM:

Hell, Bugger, Damn & Double-Damn! ... and a sort of Cripes, maybe dodged the bullet this time, having seen update.

Back from spending ~5 hours with my friend who had a stroke in August — his partner was driving up to the Central Coast to see and help her aged father, which she used to do every fortnight, but that's been disrupted — I've been using Soren's recovery as an example of what sort of progress and recovery can happen; they'd be similar ages. He's at screamingly-restless stage on bedrest and confinement to one room ~120 hours because he recently had a blood clot in his lung — very painful. It's put back his good progress with physio- and occupational therapy.

So hearing of Soren's setback too seemed like a chilling echo of this.

I don't pray, and am out of incense, but a neighbour gave me the first 3 gardenia flowers from her garden because I was well enough to come past her place for the first time in weeks. I'll put them as an offering by my little group of great-souled ones from several religions, and send thoughts while I'm still awake here.

Hopin yous all keep well and strong.

#91 ::: Nix ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 09:15 AM:

Best of luck. Good thing it seems to be 'only' seizures (which can be really nasty and can lead to strokes and haemorrhages themselves, so good thing antiseizure meds are being given).

(it seems to be the day for awful news. I just learned yesterday that my mother has a huge 8x12cm malignant tumour in her pancreas. Not metastasised and apparently resectable, but still, she's not immortal anymore.)

#92 ::: Jo Walton ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 09:17 AM:

I didn't see any of this until now. Good wishes to Scraps and hugs and all good things.

This sort of thing makes me feel so helpless.

That 1988 photograph is so weird. You all look so young and thin and black and white and far away.

#93 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 09:22 AM:

Mez: glad to hear you were able to win those gardenias.

Nix: prayers for your mother as well.

#94 ::: Magenta Griffith ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 09:37 AM:

Thinking healing thoughts towards both Soren and Velma.

Looking through the list, we represent an amazing spectrum of religious beliefs and non-beliefs, and yet we seem to get along pretty well. I wish the rest of the world was more like Making Light.

#95 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 10:00 AM:

Whew. I'm wishing strength to both of you.

#96 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 10:06 AM:

Glad to see that things are improving.

#97 ::: Mark ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 10:46 AM:

Magenta, I think I can muster an 'amen' to that.

Look, God. You know we haven't been on the best of terms....

#98 ::: Jörg Raddatz ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 10:56 AM:

Bad that it happened.
Good that it was not as bad.
Please recover soon.

#99 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 11:28 AM:

Magenta: as my brother-in-law said one year when saying grace for Thanksgiving dinner: "Lord, there are wars being fought over smaller differences than we have here in this room."

#100 ::: Moshe Feder ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 01:15 PM:

I just belatedly got this upsetting news thanks to Gary. I'm relieved to hear it isn't in fact another stroke, but I can just imagine how pissed off and frustrated Scraps must be to be back in the hospital. Ironically, I just wrote to him and Velma a few days ago inviting them to join me for dinner today. My thoughts are with both of them and I'm hoping that Scraps will be home again soon.

#101 ::: LDR ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 02:16 PM:

My sympathies. Even if it's not as bad as it could be, it's obviously still the opposite of fun.

#102 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 04:30 PM:

No fun, no, but a relief still. I hope the seizures don't cause their own problems or exacerbate the ones he already has.

#103 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 04:34 PM:

I'd think EEG rather than EKG. First, because an EKG wouldn't tell them anything about what's going on with Scraps' brain, and second because an EKG can be done on the fly with a piece of portable equipment. An EEG requires a lot more setup, so scheduling it a day in advance is more reasonable.

The only reasons I could think for running an EKG are a) it's routine; they do it on everyone who comes through, or b) something odd turned up in his blood work, and they'd like to rule out cardiac as a source of the anomaly.

#104 ::: Jane Hawkins ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 04:42 PM:

Seizures alone usually don't cause damage, except when people hurt themselves falling. I anxiously await information about why he seized but that isn't a rare problem following strokes.

#105 ::: green_knight ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 04:58 PM:

Adding my best wishes to the list.

#106 ::: fidelio ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 05:10 PM:

As many others have said already, seizures aren't great news, but beat the worse alternative by a mile, maybe two or three miles even. Thousands of people, millions even, live with that annoyance and get good things done, and may it be the same for Scraps.

#107 ::: LauraJMixon ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 05:20 PM:

Thanks for these updates. I'm keeping Scraps and Velma in my thoughts.

#108 ::: siriosa ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 05:24 PM:

Nonononononono. Widow's mite sent. Candles lit. Light flowing all over the city, for Soren and my friend who has a tiny cancer tumor in her breast.

Strength and courage to Velma and those who're helping her and Soren.

#109 ::: A.J. Luxton ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 05:43 PM:

Ack! I don't know Scraps, but send support from the lurker section.

#110 ::: Lois Fundis ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 06:29 PM:

Glad to hear it's not another stroke and that meds are likely to help.

Am especially glad that Soren will probably be home in time for Velma's birthday! (Hers is the same day as mine, which is why I remember it. It's a granfalloon, but sometimes it comes in handy.)

Prayers and good wishes continuing meanwhile.

#111 ::: Caroline ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 06:46 PM:

Dear Whoever is in charge of anything:

Please let Scraps be okay. And while you're at it, please let Velma be okay too.

Amen.

Very sincerely yours,
Caroline

#112 ::: Bryan Moeller ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 10:37 PM:

I just found out....

Hope and more hope for y'all.

#113 ::: Nina A ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2009, 11:34 PM:

Just saw this. Damn. Sending good thoughts.

#114 ::: MacAllister ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 12:12 AM:

Thank you so much for the updates, Teresa. Even those of us who don't know Scraps and Velma know how much they mean to so very many people. Still thinking good thoughts for everyone.

#115 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 01:29 AM:

Pretty much ditto everything Mac just said.

(And best wishes in siriosa's friend's direction, too.)

#116 ::: Mary Dell ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 11:12 AM:

FWIW, My sister became epileptic in the years after her stroke, apparently as an after-effect; she's been on anti-seizure meds for a long time and once they found the right drug, the seizures went away and have stayed away for decades.

Best hopes and prayers for Scraps.

#117 ::: LMB MacAlister ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 01:49 PM:

Glad to hear things are looking up, and that he's in good enough shape to be upset about being in the hospital. Hope the news is even better from the EEG--that the weird waves are gone.

Thanks for your updates, Teresa, Helen, Velma. I'll continue to pray.

#118 ::: LauraJMixon ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 02:41 PM:

Hi, have we heard any further word on how Scraps is doing today? When do they expect the results of his test back?

#119 ::: cynsa ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 05:42 PM:

Hugging *hell* out of you both, scraps and velma. Relieved it wasn't another stroke, but suck all just the same. Hoping for a quick recovery and no recurrence.

Further news?

#120 ::: Bruce Arthurs ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 05:59 PM:

Just got back from TusCon this afternoon, so I hadn't heard the news earlier.

Best wishes and thoughts for Scraps and Velma.

#121 ::: Jacque ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 06:08 PM:

Scraps and Velma: May difficulties today be disguised blessings to come.

#122 ::: Lin Daniel ::: (view all by) ::: November 16, 2009, 11:18 PM:

*hugs* and prayers to all!

#123 ::: janeyolen ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 05:30 AM:

Any new word?

Hugs to everyone.

Jane

#124 ::: Velma ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 08:51 AM:

EEG yesterday afternoon; we didn't get results before I headed home, so I'm back there today. They said that he'd "probably" be discharged today; my bet is tomorrow or Thursday at the earliest.

He's groggy, and unable to focus, and still having spasms in his right leg, particularly as he falls asleep. The main drugs he's on are Keppra (IV at first, to saturate his bloodstream, then pills for maintenance, and Baclifin, to help with the spasticity.

Emotionally, he is scared and depressed, and frustrated. I am feeling oddly flat much of the time.

#125 ::: David Harmon ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 09:00 AM:

Velma #124: I am feeling oddly flat much of the time.

Um, that would be exhaustion! Try to get some sleep when you can, and once he's home, do your best to recharge.

I'm still wishing you the best.

#126 ::: dcb ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 09:04 AM:

Velma,

I don't know either of you personally, but sympathies, best wishes and good luck for a speedy recovery from this latest.

And what Davis Harmon said @ 125: get some rest when you can.

#127 ::: vian ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 09:19 AM:

Velma, people all over the planet are praying for you both. All blessings to you and Scraps.

#128 ::: Paul ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 10:57 AM:

I've been way out-of-the-loop for too long. Ive spent the last few hours catching myself up on postings re what happened with/to Soren last year, only to be faced with this recent news.

I'm sending gobs of "get better" thoughts. Please make sure that Velma takes care of herself, too. Let it be that Soren is home with her on her birthday. Make it a Happy one.

I'm so sorry can't be of more assistance.

The truest aspect of God is the love of family and friends which surrounds you.

#129 ::: Pixelfish ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 01:48 PM:

I've saved a few good thoughts for Scraps and Velma. Here's hoping for a better future.

#130 ::: KeithS ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 03:00 PM:

Very late to the thread here, but I hope everything turns out well.

#131 ::: Gavin Edwards ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 05:09 PM:

Oh no. Hope this passes quickly and all is well soon. Sending out good thoughts for both Scraps and Velma.

#132 ::: Epacris ::: (view all by) ::: November 17, 2009, 10:54 PM:

So good to hear it's not as bad as first thought. Good thoughts go out for Soren & Velma.

All Good Wishes to siriosa's friend, too. Seen these turn out both well & ill, so a fearful/hopeful time.

#133 ::: Epacris ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 12:10 AM:

Too fast with the clicky-bit again!

Also crossing available body parts for Mez's friend. Hope he will be up & improving lickety-split. Keep yourself well as well – there's a lot on your plate. One small bite at a time.

#134 ::: Velma ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 09:47 AM:

He's now in a single room, with a technician watching him 24/7, for suicidal ideation. When I left him last night, he was wired up for an overnight EEG, and unthrilled by it. He has also informed me that he has fallen out of love with me.

Meanwhile, my divorce (amicable, and long overdue) from Mark has been granted, and I am now a single woman.

Happy birthday to me.

#135 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 10:03 AM:

Happy birthday, Velma, and may this be the last such a one for you. I know last year's really sucked too.

Hold fast. We're praying for you.

#136 ::: fidelio ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 10:48 AM:

May every day after this one be better, Velma.

#137 ::: Pendrift ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 10:52 AM:

Velma, while I don't know you personally, I'm sending good wishes your way. Thank you for the update.

For your birthday, here's one of my favorite quotes, attributed to Dorothy Bernard:
Courage is fear that has said its prayers.

We're thinking of you.

#138 ::: Paul ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 10:54 AM:

He has also informed me that he has fallen out of love with me.

*croggle* You did NOT need to hear that.

Just at first blush, I would advise you not to believe this. It is born of despair, and comes not from the Scraps you know and love, but the one who believes himself to be the prisoner of a body that is betraying him with no end currently in sight, for him or for you.

My disbelief is not come to lightly. Having just freshly read the accounts from the last year, and seen the clear indication that his determination to get better was more-than-partly fueled by his love for you; it is easy to see how this set-back would be discouraging on all fronts.

But, oh god, I know how it must hurt.

#139 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 11:00 AM:

Hang in there, Velma.

#140 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 11:02 AM:

Velma, I wish you the happiest birthday possible under the circumstances.

And I don't know Scraps as well as you do, but I agree with Paul. I'm sending good energy your way.

#141 ::: Jon Meltzer ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 11:19 AM:

If you'll take some unsolicited advice from a stranger: this is classic depressive behavior. He's trying to push you away not because he doesn't love you but because he loves you too much to have you see him the way he's emotionally feeling now. The hospital is doing the right thing by watching him and they shouldn't let him out until he stabilizes emotionally. Stay strong.

#142 ::: Craig R. ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 11:34 AM:

Velma --

My prayers for both of you.

In re: Soren's declaration to you, it may be born of depression or desperation, or it may be that he feels badly enough about his prospects of survival that he is trying to cushion its affect on you, by his trying to put distance between you two.

Those who are profoundly depressed are not always making really good choices when an event disrupts things.

#143 ::: Dan Layman-Kennedy ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 12:02 PM:

Velma,

Others have said wise and true things here, to which I can only add this, a passage which has been giving me comfort and perspective for a long while. (It was one of the readings at our wedding, going on a dozen years ago.)

"My wife said to me the other day, after a knock-down-drag-out fight about interior decoration, 'I don't love you anymore.' And I said to her, 'So what else is new?' She really didn't love me then, which was perfectly normal. She will love me some other time - I think, I hope. It's possible.

"If she had wanted to terminate the marriage, to carry it past the point of no return, she would have had to say, "I don't respect you anymore.' Now - that would be terminal.

"One of the many unnecessary American catastrophes going on right now, along with the religious revival and plutonium, is all the people who are getting divorced because they don't love each other anymore. That is like trading in a car when the ashtrays are full. When you don't respect your mate anymore - that's when the transmission is shot and there's a crack in the engine block."

- Kurt Vonnegut, Fates Worse Than Death

#144 ::: C. Wingate ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 12:28 PM:

re 124: I was on Keppra once, for about a week. I couldn't get up to the full dosage because it made me into a zombie. I also ended up having trouble with Dilantin, but it wasn't so abrupt. There are a bunch of different anticonvulsants so they should at least try others if there are big problems with grogginess.

#145 ::: Karen Summerly ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 01:04 PM:

What fidelio said: May every day after this one be better--for you and for Soren.

I don't know Soren, but I agree with everyone here who believes that he does still love you, but is in too much emotional pain to be clear or careful about it, right now. I hope that will change for the better very soon.

May you have what you need, today and each day. May a moment of joy or peace find you, even in the midst of this. And then another moment of joy or peace.

#146 ::: abi ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 01:11 PM:

I'd like to add my voice to those saying to treat Soren's comment with care. It's hard to do when you're feeling so vulnerable, I know. For what it's worth, the community has your back.

Right now, hold fiercely on to the fact that you love him.

#147 ::: siriosa ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 01:19 PM:

I concur with the lay diagnoses of Velma's and Scraps's symptoms: exhaustion and depression respectively.

When my partner had cancer, my mantra was often "I can bear this." Also: "One foot in front of the other." There was so much that needed doing, so much processing that had to happen. I dedicated myself to living the moments I got so as to minimize regret.

Another thing I liked to say: "In 100 years, everybody I know is going to be dead. I already know how this comes out."

This moment here, horrifying or tender, exhilarating or eviscerating, is the only one any of us has. What we do with it is the substance of our lives.

Light light light light light.

#148 ::: Paul ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 01:20 PM:

abi #146 Right now, hold fiercely on to the fact that you love him.

YES!

#149 ::: Tom Whitmore ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 01:54 PM:

Having been through some bouts of depression, I'd like to put in that I can only love someone as much as I can find it in me to love myself. Where Scraps has gone in this -- he may have lost a lot of self-love, to the point where it's interfering with his ability to see (or feel worthy of) his love for you, Velma. I know neither of you well enough to say this is what's going on for sure. I think you know him well enough to know. And holding onto your love for him can act as a splint to keep him strong enough until his love re-grows.

#150 ::: Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little ::: (view all by) ::: November 18, 2009, 02:30 PM:

{{{Velma}}}

Hang in there. Both of you.

#151 ::: Angiportus ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 10:14 AM:

My very belated commiseration and concern. All that I could say, others have said better. Hope that all will turn out right.

#152 ::: Lois Fundis ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 01:14 PM:

Is it possible that Soren's new meds are contributing to the depression-like symptoms? (In addition to the just-being-back-in-the-hospital blues, that is.) Perhaps Velma or someone should ask his doctors about that.

Still sending out thoughts and prayers that things will work out OK for them both.

#153 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 01:46 PM:

What abi said @#146!

#154 ::: Velma ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 05:21 PM:

We're home.

My birthday was not as bad as it could have been, even sitting in the hospital room with Soren. Ellie came to keep us company, and brought me a delicious cupcake; Teresa came, and spent the afternoon and evening with us, and snuck out to bring me a flourless chocolate cake with candles and ribbons; and then she and Patrick took me home with them, plied me with delicious food and rye, showed me some footage from Leonard Cohen's recent shows in London, hugged me fiercely, and then made sure I got home safely. And in the middle of that, Soren called, to say that he would be released today.

Ellie came back to the hospital today, as I was showering Soren (and trying unsuccessfully to get all of the glue from the EEG out of his hair). We did final paperwork, got prescriptions (Levetiracetam, Baclofen, and Lexapro, for those of you keeping track), dropped them off, went for lunch, then Ellie went in pursuit of wine, cheese, and potatoes, while Soren and I picked up the prescriptions and came home.

I am still exhausted, and feeling flat and wary, but . . . well, we'll see. I know that I love him, and want to spend the rest of my life with him, and that's a basic fact of my universe. Let's see what we can build on that foundation.

#155 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 05:38 PM:

Velma @ 154... Friends. They're wonderful to have, eh? Have more cake too.

#156 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 06:00 PM:

Velma, that sounds like a pretty good foundation to me. And I've been on Lexapro for years, and my bad days are still bad, but nowhere near what they were without it. I've been accused of being CHEERFUL sometimes. It's a good drug.

#157 ::: Stefan Jones ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 06:34 PM:

Hang in there! Hospitals are miserable places and getting him home may make a huge difference.

#158 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 06:40 PM:

I'm glad you're both home and I expect Soren will start feeling better when he's out of the hospital and more stable on his meds.

#159 ::: Mez ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 09:18 PM:

Velma: Sometimes there is cake!


My most recent natal anniversary celebration was memorable. It was in the little private interview room outside ICU — we felt awkward in the general waiting room, where other family groups were, as normal, rather more sombre. Tea and orange cake. One slice each, cut up the rest, put it on plates with napkins, and, just before leaving, lined them up on the ICU nurses' desk. A very small thing to show our gratitude for their care.

So glad to hear things seem to be improving again.

#160 ::: siriosa ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2009, 11:01 PM:

@Velma

Hurrah for home turf. Everything's better if you've got your own bed. Yay for friends, and yay for solid solid solid foundations.

Holding you all in the light.

#161 ::: Madeline Ashby ::: (view all by) ::: November 20, 2009, 12:04 AM:

Velma, I don't know you, but when I heard your news I thought of this piece in the NYT. Since I know you have just ever so much time to read, I'll snip the bit I want to share:

“I don’t love you anymore. I’m not sure I ever did.”

His words came at me like a speeding fist, like a sucker punch, yet somehow in that moment I was able to duck. And once I recovered and composed myself, I managed to say, “I don’t buy it.” Because I didn’t.

Maybe this will be helpful and maybe it won't, but it's the best I've got and figured I should share.

#162 ::: Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: November 20, 2009, 06:25 AM:

He's ill, he's had a highly unpleasant relapse, he's on drugs, he was in the hospital, he's upset and angry, and lashing out....

I remember when my father destroyed several discs in his back--he yelled at me for two weeks, I yelled back, and the arguments went on until he went into the hospital for back surgery.... surgery which the prognosis was 50/50 if he's be able to walk after it. The pain was so bad, though, that he was willing to take the risk, simply to lessen the pain.

#163 ::: Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: November 20, 2009, 06:26 AM:

He's ill, he's had a highly unpleasant relapse, he's on drugs, he was in the hospital, he's upset and angry, and lashing out....

I remember when my father destroyed several discs in his back--he yelled at me for two weeks, I yelled back, and the arguments went on until he went into the hospital for back surgery.... surgery which the prognosis was 50/50 if he's be able to walk after it. The pain was so bad, though, that he was willing to take the risk, simply to lessen the pain.

#164 ::: scraps ::: (view all by) ::: November 20, 2009, 04:53 PM:

And I'm back in hospital again. I'm hoping that I'm sent home tonight. I'm having bloody stools. Sigh.

#165 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: November 20, 2009, 07:23 PM:

I saw that on Velma's LJ, Soren. I hope they find the problem and get you back home.

#166 ::: beth meacham ::: (view all by) ::: November 20, 2009, 08:57 PM:

Hey, Scraps. I hope you get sprung soon. Those drugs can do a number on your digestive system. Hugs!

#167 ::: geekosaur ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 01:40 AM:

Thing to keep in mind is that everyone responds differently to different antidepressants. I'm one of the odd ones for whom Lexapro causes problems but the original Celexa works reasonably well (citalopram has two enantiomers, only one of which is active; Lexapro is just the active one).

And, well, problems can be serious problems. I have heard some horror stories, one of which was in my own family (a distant relative by marriage). Considering some of the weird dreams I've had, I sometimes wonder what evil visions some people see under the influence of a poorly chosen antidepressant that lead to psychosis.

#168 ::: Velma ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 01:57 AM:

He's home, with a colonoscopy in his immediate (well, not during the weekend) future. We get to monitor, and call his GP to schedule invasive alien procedures next week.

I am very tired.

#169 ::: Linkmeister ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 02:03 AM:

Velma, you and Soren hang in there. As many of us know, the prep for that damned procedure is worse than the actual operation.

#170 ::: janetl ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 02:24 AM:

People exaggerate about colonoscopies. The actual procedure is nothing -- they put an IV in your arm, say "here comes the drugs", and you wake up an hour or two later feeling fine, and hungry.
The preparation is jet-propelled pooping. Not the best way to spend an evening, but not that big a deal. Arrange things so you can lay down comfortably between waves, when things start to slow down.

#171 ::: joann ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 11:42 AM:

janetl #169:

Beg to differ. My, er, prep lasted over twelve hours. More than enough said.

#172 ::: Melissa Mead ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 12:12 PM:

I had to be admitted for my prep, but I think I'm prone to muscle weakness. The actual scope wasn't bad. Like Janet1 said above, I got knocked out, I woke up, all done.
Once I woke up for the last few seconds, but even that was more unpleasant than painful.

#173 ::: Bruce Arthurs ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 12:30 PM:

Well, from my own colonoscopy experience:

Don't drink that gallon jug of Evil they'll try and make you take to clean out your system. Ask for -- nay, insist -- on some of the alternative, gentler methods.

Trying to drink a glass of that crap every fifteen minutes like I was supposed to ended up with some of the worst vomiting and dry heaves I've ever had. Yeah, it was going to clean out my system, but in the wrong direction!

I got half the jug down before giving up. I couldn't have had the colonoscopy the next day as scheduled, anyway, because I was still too wrung out to leave the house.

#174 ::: Caroline ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 12:35 PM:

Xopher @ 156, I agree strongly about Lexapro. (Though I think I'm going to have to step up in dose for the winter. But the two months where the dose was hitting the sweet spot felt like standing up from a cramped crouch.) I'm still not sure why one enantiomer is awesome and the other one (Celexa) makes me heavy-drugged-sleepy, but I'm glad I found the awesome one. I think trying antidepressants is the quickest way to show how individual everyone's brain is.

Scraps and Velma, I'm still thinking good thoughts and lighting candles for both of you.

#175 ::: Caroline ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 12:38 PM:

D'oh, I used two Words of Power and my post is being held for review. In brief, I agreed strongly with Xopher @156 (brand names in that part of the comment were the Words of Power).

And most importantly I said to Scraps and Velma that I am sending good thoughts and lighting candles for you both.

#176 ::: Velma ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 02:17 PM:

Thank you all for your good wishes. We got released last night, and I slept for a solid ten hours, and now feel very drained and groggy. (Also stiff, as if I didn't move in my sleep for hours.)

We are contemplating going out for a walk in a couple of hours, as we are out of seltzer, and possibly having a belated birthday dinner somewhere in the neighborhood. The McGarrigle's French Album (I think that's what it's called) is coming from his end of the apartment, and, while we're both drained, there is autumnal sunlight coming in, and the roses Fred gave me on Tuesday night are still upright.

#177 ::: Lila ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 02:59 PM:

Velma and Soren, continued prayers for y'all both.

Re l*x@pro and c*l*xa, that's interesting and possibly useful. I'm in the process of being weaned off generic c*l*xa, as it damps down my anxiety but makes me sleepy/groggy 24/7 and worsens my depression. OTOH, it is the only antidepressant that works for my sister (after trying and discarding 4 others).

#178 ::: Lizzy L ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 03:26 PM:

Everyone is different; my colonoscopy experience is not going to be the same as your colonoscopy experience. Nevertheless... I agree with those who have said that the actual procedure is easy; you're pretty much not present for it.

With regard to the prep: I strongly recommend you ask your GP/hospital department/person in charge to schedule the procedure for the afternoon, which should permit Scraps to do what they call a "split prep." He will drink 1/2 the foul soap-tasting mixture the night before, starting around 6 pm, he will get a good, though short, night's sleep, and he will drink the rest of the foul stuff in the morning. I also recommend, if it's possible, that he go on a bland diet 3 days before the test, and if he can, fast from solid food for 24 hours before starting the prep. (Jello, as long as it's not red, is okay. I allowed myself orange jello until the evening before the procedure.) If he's diabetic or has some other reason why he can't not eat for 24 hours, of course he mustn't. But I found that bland food (and not very much of that) for two days, and then a 24 hour solid food fast, made the pooping part of the prep very easy -- no cramps, no discomfort, and it was over in 3 hours.

YMMV.

#179 ::: Caroline ::: (view all by) ::: November 21, 2009, 03:31 PM:

LIla @ 177, I had exactly the same reaction to C. as you (and it is also the thing that works for an immediate relative). I do think your experience implies that talking to your doctor about trying L. might be a good idea.

It is, unfortunately, more expensive in the U.S. because there is no generic. Luckily I have access to health insurance that covers it, so it's not prohibitively expensive.

Rant rant universal health care rant single-payer rant inhuman, this is supposed to be a civilized country, rant.

#180 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: November 22, 2009, 07:33 PM:

I'm still not sure why one enantiomer is awesome and the other one (Celexa) makes me heavy-drugged-sleepy, but I'm glad I found the awesome one.

The way my dispensing psych explained it to me is that the formulation of Celexa is a slower release which, for some people, makes them groggier. Oddly, my daughter found that Celexa was less groggy making than Lexapro. Brains is different stuff.

#181 ::: Carrie S. ::: (view all by) ::: November 23, 2009, 08:55 AM:

I'm still not sure why one enantiomer is awesome and the other one (C*l*xa) makes me heavy-drugged-sleepy, but I'm glad I found the awesome one. I think trying antidepressants is the quickest way to show how individual everyone's brain is.

Yeah--C*l*xa was the first thing my GP tried on me, and it was like flipping a switch. All of a sudden I could sleep at night, and was awake during the day, and I could tell when I needed to eat...fantastic. (I did have to up my dose when a friend died in a freak accident, but it was still helping, just not quite enough.)

#182 ::: David Dyer-Bennet ::: (view all by) ::: November 23, 2009, 02:02 PM:

janetl@170: one person I know has ended up in the emergency room twice as a consequence of following colonoscopy prep instructions.

The instructions look like they'd be extremely bad for one.

#183 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: November 23, 2009, 02:18 PM:

My colonoscopy's prep was boring, and the procedure itself went fine, maybe because it was done by Doctor Ming, who was Merciful.

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Even more after Xopher set off the anti-spam warning flare.

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