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June 28, 2005

Posted by Teresa at 07:38 AM * 56 comments

Oh, goody. Steve Brust has finished writing Dzur. It’ll be showing up in my mail as a set of attached files.

This doesn’t suck.

Comments on Dzur:
#1 ::: Erik V. Olson ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 07:57 AM:

This doesn’t suck.

(makes entry into chart.)

Okay, prelimary ranking is between "Cubs rotation (when healthy)" and "120 lumen LEDs" on the doesn't suck chart.

It'll have to be tweaked, I'm thinking it's more likely to be up with "Fuller's ESB on cask, properly kept" and "40GB iPod with a new battery.", but I'm conservative with initial rankings.

Anybody else have something for the chart?

#2 ::: TH ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 07:57 AM:

So how long does it take until the mere mortals get their fix?


#3 ::: JamesG ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 08:11 AM:

Ah, I can't wait to get my greedy little hands on it.

#4 ::: Cory Doctorow ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 08:21 AM:

Review copy?

#5 ::: Michelle K ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 08:22 AM:


No, wait. That means I still have... (calculates) ...a really long time to wait.


#6 ::: Skwid ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 09:25 AM:

Um, what Cory said? (Yeah, that's gonna happen)

*Skwid's chromatophores advance toward chartreuse*

#7 ::: Linnéa Anglemark ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 09:39 AM:


(claps hands in girlish glee)
(realises that a Very Long Wait will be had)

Ah well. It's still somewhere around 28-y-o Springbank on the "doesn't suck" chart.

#8 ::: TexAnne ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:00 AM:

Usually my besetting sin is pride. Today, however, it is envy.

#9 ::: Daniel Martin ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:02 AM:

Oh why don't you just go ahead and say neener neener neener while you're at it?

#10 ::: Kate Nepveu ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:10 AM:

Yeah? Yeah? Well--well--I got to see _Serenity_ last week, so there!

. . . along with hundreds if not thousands of other people, while _Dzur_ is going to take longer for wide release and will be seen by vastly fewer people along the way. Also, I bet I'll like it better.

Ummm, never mind.

*slinks away consumed by envy*

#11 ::: Vassilissa ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:15 AM:

No. That doesn't suck at all.

I am in awe of just how much it doesn't suck.

I think the average suckiness level of the world just dropped a few points after that announcement.

#12 ::: Will "scifantasy" Frank ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:16 AM:

Has anyone ever told you that there are times when you're just plain evil?

Wait. I did. Back when it was Sethra Lavode...

#13 ::: Josh Jasper ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:18 AM:

Hmm. Now to see if I can wrangle a review copy.

#14 ::: holly ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:24 AM:

now i get to spend the rest of my summer fretting in anticipation. but i am SO happy anyway!

#15 ::: BSD ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:27 AM:

Nope, that don't suck at all.

#16 ::: Emma ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:55 AM:

There have been only a few times in my life when I've hated someone for base, petty reasons. Today it's YOU!!! :-)

#17 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 11:20 AM:

Just wait 'til you read about Vlad's newly-minted kid brother. Oh, those wacky Serioli monks and the false memories they create!

I wonder about Steve's decision to call him Melvin, though.

#18 ::: Michelle K ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 11:34 AM:

Dear Patrick,

That last bit was just plain cruel.

#19 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 11:42 AM:

Please, Kate, how was "Serenity"? No, I don't want spoilers. I only want to know if it's good, for those who are fans of "Firefly" and for those who never saw the show.

#20 ::: elizabeth bear ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 11:49 AM:

I shouldn't mention that I got to hear part of it at SFRA, should I?

And yes, it's good. But you knew that. *g*

#21 ::: Nicklas ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 11:51 AM:

YAY! The wait will be long and hard, and I'm not sure I got enough food to survive that long. But I must.

#22 ::: Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 11:57 AM:

At which point I must say how cool it was to be at SFRA and hear BOTH Elizabeth Bear and Steve Brust. They defined the "cool table" when formal events paused and drinks began. Steve Brust did one-up others at said table by describing "Serenity" to the jealous (John Barnes et al.) with some faux spoilers.

Did I say how often Steve Brust praised Patrick's editing?

Elizabeth Bear was more clever AND cogent on some panels than several distinguished professors in the SciFiLitCrit world. And tied with Serena Powers for best urbane-in-the-face-of-mundanes (and Las Vegas is like feeding time at the Zoo of Mundanes).

Please, Ms. Bear, tell us your memories of the high points of the SFRA con!

#23 ::: punkrockhockeymom ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 12:10 PM:

Dear Patrick: Nuh-uh, he did not. Not Melvin. Really.


#24 ::: Tina ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 12:34 PM:

Dzur! Dzur! It rhymes, sort of, with mirth! Will the book be of large girth? When will we see its birth?

#25 ::: Kate Nepveu ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 01:03 PM:

Serge, my reaction to _Serenity_ was somewhat mixed, but I think it will improve on re-watching: I may have misinterpreted a spoilery thing that I disliked, and I was not at my best last week due to personal stuff. The general fan opinion seems to be very good, though there doesn't seem to be consensus on how well it will work for non-fans.

It is certainly very exciting.

A no-spoiler reaction with a little more detail is here; for those who's seen it ONLY, you can read the spoiler version hitting the little green right-arrow button that will bring you to the next post.

You really, really don't want to be spoiled for the movie. In fact, I'm going to go add some whitespace to the post now in case someone clicks the button by accident.

#26 ::: Serge ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 01:09 PM:

Thanks, Kate. Maybe your reaction to "Serenity" had the same cause as mine to my first showing of "X-men" in 2000: I was so concerned that they wouldn't do it right that I kept looking at the movie's parts and not the whole. I'm kind of feeling that way about the "Fantastic Four" (but at least, Chikliss and the actor playing Doom are both fans of the original comics so THEY won't screw it up).

#27 ::: Leigh Butler ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 02:07 PM:

I'm trying to think of a more cogent response than "Ooh! Ooh!", but fangirly glee has temporarily deadened my upper brain functions.

So: Ooh! Ooh!

#28 ::: Paul Clarke ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 02:22 PM:

It’ll be showing up in my mail as a set of attached files.

Which will immediately be forwarded to everyone posting in this thread.

(I can dream, can't I?)

#29 ::: Mitch Wagner ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 04:49 PM:

Patrick Nielsen Hayden: "Just wait 'til you read about Vlad's newly-minted kid brother."

Uh-oh, the Vlad Taltos series jumps the shark, just like when Cousin Oliver joined the Brady Bunch!

TH asks a good question. How long until the book hits the bookstore shelves and warehouse? How typical is that delay time? In general, what's the lead time for books between acceptance and publication?

(Yes, I know the answer you want to give is "it depends," but.)

#30 ::: Bill Blum ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 06:19 PM:

So, if someone were to jump into this universe, which book should they start with?

#31 ::: Scott Schultz ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 06:32 PM:

Starting at the beginning is usually the best. *heh* Of course, with a series that jumps around in time like this, beginning can be a relative concept...

Most of the early novels are out of print and have been reprinted the last few years in omnibus editions. Look for _The Book of Jhereg_ which contains the first two novels, _Jhereg_ and _Yendi_. If you like those, the next omnibus should be _The Book of Taltos_.

This would be a good place to take a break from Vlad and try _The Phoenix Guards_. Note that TPG takes place in the same world at an earlier point in history and has an entirely different narrative voice.

After that, you should be able to figure out where you want to go with the books on your own. ;-)

#32 ::: Peter ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 06:43 PM:

Any self-respecting Dragaeran would not think of reading Brust's books in any other order than that of the cycle (that's Taltos, Phoenix, Dragon, Lyorn, ..., Athyra, Phoenix again, and finishing with Demon, or whatever Brust calls his 19th book). This order is not recommended for us mere Easterners, however.

#33 ::: Shawn Burns ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 09:10 PM:

Read "Orca" after most of the other books. Read "Issola" last. Read "Jhereg" first. Read "Brokedown Palace" somewhere in the mix. The 19th Book will be called "The Final Contract" or something similar.

When I do re-reads I alternate between publishing order and temporal order. Both work well.

#34 ::: Chris Sullins ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 09:43 PM:

So, is it wrong to want to become an author just so you can make author friends and get to read their books before everyone else?

#35 ::: Josh Jasper ::: (view all by) ::: June 28, 2005, 10:38 PM:

Not me. All I want is a review copy. I can get those if I ask the right people.

#36 ::: Jonah ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 12:50 AM:

To those wondering when this will be published: I have no more idea than you, but Mr. Brust wrote:

The occasion was the completion of the first draft of Dzur.

Now, on to revisions.

which, sadly, seems to imply that Dzur may still be a ways off from being ready to publish.

Tina: it seems you have either an odd accent, or an odd sense of rhyme.

#37 ::: Jonathan Vos Post ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 02:24 AM:

Chris Sullins:

"... is it wrong to want to become an author just so you can make author friends..."

Not wrong at all. In fact, a pretty good reason. One reason I write is find friends among my readers. Another reason is to be able to find friends among coauthors and coeditors. Another is to better understand myself, so that I can be a better friend.

As the comic says darkly: we're all born alone, naked, bloody, and screaming, and we all die that same way. So why not burn our books at both ends in the meantime, and meet someone in the glow?

#38 ::: jennR ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 07:22 AM:

And now, for something completely different: "squeee!"

We now return you to your usual nattering.

(Whoops. Sorry 'bout that. Ny inner fangirl snuck out for a minute.) However, I do agree with her.

#39 ::: Tina ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 09:08 AM:

Jonah: 'Sort of', meaning, 'okay, not really'.

Also, sleep dep.

#40 ::: Keith ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 12:49 PM:


Never hurts to ask. I recently emailed Jeff Vandermeer's UK publicist and asked for a review copy of the new expanded edition of City of Saints and Madmen, which won't be out here in the US until next spring. They cheerfully sent me one. (my review of the book is here).

From what I gather, this is a lot less likely to happen in this instance but the worst thing you'll hear is, "No."

#41 ::: Anne KG Murphy ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 02:21 PM:

Jonah: That post from Steven was June 17 - the revisions referred to in that post were the ones he wished to make before sending a draft to Teresa. Now he will wait for Teresa's comments, then the book will no doubt be revised again. This is a not uncommon way in which an author interacts with an editor. After all, Teresa may not take to the goofy antics of young Melvin, no matter how many times Loiosh hurts him, or threatens to.

There is little way of knowing how many cycles this will go in or how much time there is from now until the book comes out, but I join you in hoping it will not be long.

#42 ::: Deborah Green ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 04:02 PM:

Oooh, that was just the pick up needed to get through the rest of today! Of course, the coffee's not hurting either. :)

Note to self: start making room on the bookshelf.

#43 ::: HC ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 04:30 PM:

Wonderful news.

Is it prying to ask where it fits in the time sequence? Is this set after Issola, or do we finally get to find about about Vlad's adventures with potato soup in the East, or the man he assumed couldn't make a ten-meter jump who could?

Also - Serenity was great.

#44 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 05:45 PM:

It starts about ten minutes after Issola ends. Reading the prologue made me hungry.

#45 ::: Steve Simmons ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 06:15 PM:

What TOR needs is a nice ARC program we can enter our grovelling requests to. Something like this.

As suggester, I claim first grab.

#46 ::: elizabeth bear ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 06:25 PM:


I don't think *anybody* is as urbane as Serena. She ranks first in urbane.

I was fighting a cold and a wildfire-induced cough for most of SFRA, but I did have a delightful time providing Native Guide services to Las Vegas for attendees and guests alive, and meeting a lot of delightful and interesting (and intimidatingly intellectual!) people.

#47 ::: Marilee ::: (view all by) ::: June 29, 2005, 06:47 PM:

Chris, you don't have to be an author to get to read your author friends' books before other people.

#48 ::: Jonah ::: (view all by) ::: June 30, 2005, 12:45 AM:

Oops, forgot to check the date of Steven Brust's post before posting here. As Anne pointed out, it's from over a week ago.

#49 ::: Mark A. Mandel ::: (view all by) ::: July 01, 2005, 10:38 PM:

Dzur! Dzur!
I smile, I purr.
I stroke its fur.
Long wait? What fer?

#50 ::: Terry.karney ::: (view all by) ::: July 08, 2005, 07:27 PM:

All one can say is, yippee!


#51 ::: Andrew Sigel ::: (view all by) ::: July 10, 2005, 09:57 PM:

Teresa produced the printout when I saw her this weekend, so it really does exist -- the drool on it was not strictly due to the prologue, at least in my case. Alas that it was in my hands for a comparatively brief time (defined as a period far less than that required to savor the whole); indeed, its removal was as clear a case of sorcerous interruptus as can be imagined.

And no, I can't imagine that any of you are the least bit sorry for me; I doubt I'd be had one of you been in my shoes.

#52 ::: Tom ::: (view all by) ::: July 20, 2005, 03:42 PM:

Well isnt this mighty interesting? I've been checking SB's weblog about once a week for longer than I care to admit and was not able to access his site during the last two days - So I threw 'Dzur' into a search engine and *poof* a community of people waiting(well some waiting...) just like me (impatiently). Very exciting.

#53 ::: Oz ::: (view all by) ::: October 16, 2005, 06:18 PM:


A new Taltos book? And Dzur!?!


#54 ::: geo ::: (view all by) ::: November 15, 2005, 03:09 PM:

I suppose the good news is that the wait is four months less than it might have been had I seen this thread originally.

I just re-read Issola, and fell in love all over again. Mumblety-mumble books ago in this series I was Pat Robertson certain that Steve had written himself into a corner with no way out. And of course he's shown me what a fool I am, laughing all the way.

10 mins after Issola, eh? Oh boy oh boy oh boy. I am also reminded that the very first time I read Issola, upon hitting the last word on the last page, I immediately ran to my pc and sent Steve some swiped Thin Lizzy. . .

"Vlad is back in town, Vlad is back in town. . . ."

Yes, that wild-eyed boy has been away.

#55 ::: Dennis Castle ::: (view all by) ::: November 19, 2005, 01:44 PM:

Word on the street is that it is still 9 months away. If it was complete last June than why does it take well over a year to put it in our hands? And they think the gitmo dudes have it bad!

#56 ::: Scott ::: (view all by) ::: December 17, 2005, 03:18 PM:

According to Amazon, DZUR will be available on August 8, 2006.

I can't wait!

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