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October 30, 2007

Much too comfortable in heels
Posted by Teresa at 09:46 AM * 42 comments

I am obscurely reassured to find that footage of Rudy Giuliani in drag is available through YouTube. I knew it existed. I remembered seeing it broadcast years ago, not long after it was taken. As I observed to Patrick at the time, Giuliani is far too comfortable in skirts and high heels. He practically glows.

(Do I have a problem with cross-dressers? Not a bit. I have a problem with Giuliani. Do I think his adventures in costume are the most objectionable thing about him? No, not hardly. Leave that for another time. What I’m trying to get across here is just how weird the man is.)

For instance, here’s Giuliani on freedom, quoted in the New York Times, 17 March 1994:

“Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it.”
I agree that the rule of law is necessary to protect general social freedom, and that acknowledgement of the authority of the law is a necessary precondition to the rule of law; but “freedom is about authority” is a very odd formulation to derive from that. Giuliani’s big with the authority. He’s right, and you’re wrong, and therefore you’ll do as he says, even if he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and he’s completely disregarded legal procedures and basic constitutional provisions.

Anyway, when Rudy Giuliani started making presidential noises, I went to YouTube to have another look at footage of him playing Ginger Rogers. I figured there had to be some there from one or another of his little occasions. I was wrong.

That worried me. If Giuliani already had enough clout to interdict footage of himself in a wig and padded bra, we could all be in for a rocky ride. Giuliani’s crazier, more authoritarian, and nearly as vindictive and unprincipled as George Bush. He also works a lot harder. It’s a scary combination.

But now, yay, that footage is available—gone viral, even—so it looks like Rudy’s friends aren’t as powerful as I’d feared. What does that mean for you? It means you get Rudy in drag! And Rudy in drag getting mauled and smooched by Donald Trump, which is everyone’s favorite. There’s an article on the latter video by Williams Cole, who worked on the documentary Giuliani Time, from which the Trump clip was taken. Cole is politely dismayed that of all the material in that documentary, it’s Rudy canoodling with The Donald that everyone remembers. He is slightly mistaken. Rudy canoodling with The Donald is the part that no one can forget.

If you’re feeling a little sleazy about watching those videos and need a respectable reason to have watched them, try reading Jim Sleeper’s Why Rudy Giuliani Really Shouldn’t Be President, which proposes that this theatricality is a key to his character:

Fred Siegel, author of the Giuliani-touting Prince of the City, posed the problem recently when he wondered why, after Giuliani’s 1997 mayoral reelection, … he couldn’t “turn his Churchillian political personality down a few notches.”

I’ll tell you why: Giuliani’s 9/11 performance was sublime for the unnerving reason that he’d been rehearsing for it all his adult life and remained trapped in that stage role. When his oldest friend and deputy mayor Peter Powers told me in 1994 that 16-year-old Rudy had started an opera club at Bishop Loughlin High School in Brooklyn, I didn’t have to connect too many of the dots I was seeing to notice that Giuliani at times acted like an opera fanatic who’s living in a libretto as much as in the real world.

In private, Giuliani can contemplate the human comedy with a Machiavellian prince’s supple wit. But when he walks on stage, he tenses up so much that even though he can strike credibly modulated, lawyerly poses, his efforts to lighten up seem labored. What really drove many of his actions as mayor was a zealot’s graceless division of everyone into friend or foe and his snarling, sometimes histrionic, vilifications of the foes. Those are operatic emotions, beneath the civic dignity of a great city and its chief magistrate.

… [O]nly on 9/11 did the whole city become as operatic as the inside of Rudy’s mind.

Mother Jones, which doesn’t like Giuliani at all, points us toward Slate’s slideshow essay about his various masquerades. It’s the web’s single best pictorial source on that subject. There’s a second Slate article about Giuliani’s appallingly messy and unnecessarily hurtful family life. (Have I mentioned that he’s terrible at kissing babies? When he tries it, he winds up looking like he’s being played by Armin Shimerman.) For additional pure weirdness, try the transcript of the ferret rant.

Q. Is weirdness a sufficient reason to damn Rudy Giuliani as a candidate?

A. Not when there are so many better reasons to do it.

Giuliani’s basic message is, “Give me the power and I will keep you safe.” On 9/11, millions of Americans whose brains had temporarily been rendered thermoplastic by shock imprinted on Rudy as The Guy Who Knew What Needed Doing. They remember shots of him striding decisively through the dusty canyons of the Financial District, paced by swarms of reporters babbling questions on all sides: Frank Capra out of Aaron Sorkin. Giuliani’s played on that ever since.

What most Americans still don’t grasp is how much of that disaster was Giuliani’s doing. See, for instance,’s Rudolph Giuliani would be “terrible” president, on Jerome Hauer’s comprehensive critique of Giuliani’s performance. Hauer is an expert on biological and chemical terrorism, and was New York’s Emergency Management Director—that is, Giuliani’s top antiterrorism guy—from 1996 to 2000. He didn’t go public with his accusations until Giuliani publicly blamed him for locating the city’s crisis control room in a vulnerable location that was a known terrorist target. Then Hauer blew up:

Mr Hauer, who now runs a consultancy firm, said that the former mayor vetoed his proposal to site the emergency command centre in Brooklyn as he wanted it to be within walking distance of his City Hall offices in Manhattan.

“Rudy would make a terrible president and that is why I am speaking now,” Mr Hauer told The Sunday Telegraph. “He’s a control freak who micro-manages decision, he has a confrontational character trait and picks fights just to score points. He is the last thing this country needs as president right now.”

That was the gist, but not the whole, of Mr. Hauer’s remarks. Giuliani & Co. slimed him in return, but the FDNY and various other organizations and experts have backed up Hauer’s version.

The FDNY has been in a cold rage at Giuliani ever since 9/11. They’ve made a hard-hitting video about it. Note: close to the first two minutes of that thirteen-minute video consists of an FDNY talking head explaining that the video is factual, deeply felt, and politically non-partisan. If you already get that, you can skip it. The non-partisan part is because the FDNY has repeatedly been referred to in the national media as having Democratic sympathies. That’s just an attempt to deflect their criticisms of Giuliani and other Republican leaders. If the FDNY rank and file vote for Democrats, it’s because they live in New York. Their dislike of Giuliani is dislike of the man himself. His sins, as they see them:

1. The radios.

2. Insisting on siting the emergency command center in exactly the wrong place, and his poor leadership in general during the emergency.

3. Declaring that the air quality at Ground Zero wasn’t a hazard.

4. His callous treatment of their dead.

5. Building his further political career on his performance on 9/11 and his expertise at dealing with terrorist attacks.

In re the radios and the command center: it had been known since at least 1993, when the World Trade Center was first attacked, that the FDNY’s personal radios were inadequate. That’s bad. Firemen inside a burning building need to be in communication with their guys outside. That goes double if they’re working in highrises.

For seven years, the Giuliani administration did nothing about the problem. Then they bought new radios. It was supposed to be an open bid. They only took bids from Motorola. The proposed radios were supposed to be tested by the FDNY under field conditions. They weren’t. After Motorola had been awarded the contract, the cost jumped from $1.4 million to $14 million.

This was at minimum blatant favoritism; but that wasn’t the real problem. From an article in Salon this past March:

[J]ust three months before the 9/11 attack, a city firefighter trapped in the basement of a burning house in Queens broadcast a mayday on a high-tech digital radio issued by his administration to replace the older variety.
That is, using one of the new Motorola radios.
When firefighters battling the blaze didn’t hear his SOS—it was picked up only by radios carried by firefighters a couple of miles away—an uproar ensued. The firefighter survived, but the high-tech replacement radios, which had never been field-tested, were thus withdrawn, and the firemen went back to relying on their old radios, just in time for 9/11.
It was a reasonable decision on their part. The firemen who couldn’t hear his SOS were in the street directly in front of the burning building.
And on Sept. 11, the faulty radios were just part of a tableau of dysfunction. Fire Department officials couldn’t communicate with police officials, whose helicopters had bird’s-eye views of the unstable towers poised to fall. Police and fire communications weren’t linked, and no one bothered to set up a unified police-fire command post on the street near the towers, which is Emergency Management 101.
Literally. Setting up a unified command post to deal with large complex emergencies is part of a standard set of procedures followed by first responders throughout the country.
Meanwhile, the city’s emergency dispatchers fielded a flood of 911 calls from panicked World Trade Center workers and gave out the wrong advice, or just threw up their hands—:Do whatever you have to do, Sir.”

Where was Rudy? He didn’t know what to do or where to go because he had put his emergency command center in exactly the wrong place. Against the advice of experts, he had built the emergency command center in the area most likely to be attacked, an area that had already been attacked, the 23rd floor of No. 7 World Trade Center. It was off-limits on the only day it was ever needed.

I recommend an article called The Myth of Giuliani and 9/11, which for some reason was mostly published via Usenet newsgroups. Here’s their take on Giuliani’s failure:
On 9/11 New York was left without an emergency command center because Giuliani, going against the advice of both the police and fire departments, decided to locate the center conveniently near City Hall in World Trade Center building 7, along with tanks containing tens of thousands of gallons of diesel fuel—in direct violation of New York City fire laws. This was despite the 1993 WTC bombing that proved it to be the number one terrorism target. It was this decision that put him on the street on 9/11 instead of inside a command center coordinating operations. Ironically, this also put him in front of hundreds of media cameras, sparking his image transformation into a “hero.”

While our “hero” was posing for the cameras, however, there was no communication possible between the police department and the fire department, whose REAL heroes were rushing to their deaths inside the towers. And there was likewise no communication between the police officers who identified an open stairway for escape from above the fire zone and the 911 phone operators who were telling soon-to-be-dead office workers to stay put and wait for the firefighters. Giuliani had been aware of the inadequacy of the emergency services’ communications equipment for many years, but did absolutely nothing about it. This criminal negligence also doomed hundreds of firefighters that were unable to hear orders to evacuate the north tower prior to collapse.

Whatever possibility existed for communication between the police and fire departments, whose radios operated on different frequencies, evaporated when Giuliani visited a makeshift fire/police command center that had formed in his absence. There he ORDERED THE POLICE BRASS TO LEAVE and accompany him uptown. This “heroic leadership” effectively put the fire department and police department commanders in different physical locations with no communication possible between them.

Present Police Commissioner Ray Kelly stated that he doesn’t have any idea who was in charge on 9/11 because Bernie Kerik and all the top chiefs in the police department basically acted as bodyguards to Giuliani and no one was running the shop.

Sure, Rudy looked decisive and confident on 9/11. He’s always decisive and confident—like George Bush, or a compulsive gambler, or General Sedgwick.

Further reading:

MSNBC: Leaked memos show Giuliani’s ignorance of terrorism before 9/11. In campaign speeches, Giuliani claims to have recognized well before 9/11 that Osama bin Laden was a threat, but his testimony before the 9/11 Commission was one long confession of ignorance on that subject.

Washington Post: Giuliani’s Rhetoric on Terror Contrasts With His Record. Despite his claims, Giuliani’s pre-9/11 record shows no great interest in nor experience with terrorism.

The Huffington Post: Giuliani Resembles Bush on Terror War: “Like Bush on steroids.” Eavesdropping on citizens? He’s for it! The use of military force in Iran and Pakistan? He’s for it! No pullout from Iraq? He’s indubitably for it!

Mother Jones: Rudy Giuliani Has Advisers Who Would Bomb Iran Tomorrow:

“I used to believe the most dangerous thing about Rudy Giuliani was the fact that, even though he has zero foreign policy experience, he thinks he knows everything there is to know about foreign policy. That’s a scary kind of ignorance.

“But I was wrong. The most dangerous thing about Rudy Giuliani is his advisers. They are crazy, crazy, crazy. Too crazy to work for Bush, even.”

Salon: Giuliani’s Dangerous Bluster. Got an old mistake? He’ll clutch it to his bosom: We were on the verge of victory when we pulled out of Vietnam. We must deal with Iran “from a position of strength.” No support for Palestinian statehood until they demonstrate that they’ve earned it. And when Castro dies, we must help the Cuban people reclaim their liberty, and keep their corrupt regime from consolidating its power under Raul Castro.

The Nation: Rudy’s Dirty Money. Big Energy. Lots of money.

Talking Points Memo: Giuliani endorses Bush’s Social Security plan. That is: he wants to privatize Social Security.

Hilzoy, Obsidian Wings: Rudy Giuliani and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day: That would be June 19th of this year, when it (1.) came out that Giuliani had been kicked out of the elite Iraq Study Group for skipping all their meetings in favor of doing lucrative speaking gigs; and (2.) his South Carolina campaign manager, state Treasurer Thomas Ravenel, was suspended from his position after being indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine.

But look at it this way: if Rudy’s political career tanks, he’ll always have showbiz to fall back on.
Comments on Much too comfortable in heels:
#1 ::: Tania ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 12:35 PM:

TNH - The sneaky typo gremlins stole an "h" from the word Why in

Jim Sleeper’s Wy Rudy Giuliani Really Shouldn’t Be President, which proposes that this theatricality is a key to his character:

Weaselly little buggers.

#2 ::: Sumana Harihareswara ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 12:38 PM:

Just so you know, this entry didn't show up in my RSS feed, or at least in NetNewsWire, my RSS aggregator, until just now. I see "Go Bags" and "Index to the Light" before "Much too comfortable in heels," even though "Index to the Light" got posted an hour after "Much too comfortable in heels." I haven't seen Making Light do that before, but I'll keep an eye out.

#3 ::: Robert L ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 12:45 PM:

I've never liked Giuliani, and there are many reasons for that. But what really solidified it for me was his relentless bullying of taxi drivers soon after he became mayor. I was a New York taxi driver for about a year and a half in the early 1970s. At that time, the job was fairly well-paying. By the time Rudy came into office, it wasn't so well-paying, and many drivers were recent immigrants. But it was, and is, a difficult and at times dangerous job. Taxi drivers perform a valuable public service, and nearly every New Yorker takes a cab once in a while. Giuliani perceived cab drivers as easy victims to bully, and he never attended the funeral of any driver murdered in the line of duty. He's scum.

#4 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 12:59 PM:

Sumana, that's what I get for not checking to see whether an article has published after I save it. I've changed its timestamp to correct the sequence.

#5 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 01:01 PM:

Tania #1: the aitch was ferreted away...

I've thought that Giuliani was a buffoon ever since the day that he and Al D'Amato took off their ties, donned leather jackets and, accompanied by hidden camera crews, proved to their entire satisfaction that they could buy crack in Washington Heights. As that was a secret known to about 17 million people, I found it rather less than compelling.

#6 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 01:09 PM:

I remember that too. We were living up there. All it did was help publicize Washington Heights as the place to go if you wanted to buy drugs. We moved to Staten Island.

#7 ::: Mez spots link error ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 01:11 PM:

There seems to be an extra " (aka %22) on the end of the General Sedgwick link. If you know to cut it off in the address bar you get the right page, but just clicking gets you "Object not found!"

#8 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 01:25 PM:

TNH #6: At the time, I lived in Inwood.

Spy, I recall, published copies of memoranda by US Attorney Giuliani showing him to be a serious control freak.

#9 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 01:38 PM:

Fragano: Fairview Avenue just off Broadway, a bit north of 190th.

#10 ::: Ann Rose ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 01:49 PM:

In the past week or two, both The Nation and the Philadelphia Weekly, have featured cover illustrations with Giuliani bearing a marked resemblance to Adolf Hitler. Initially, I thought, "Hmm, that's creative." Your post, with all of its links, has transformed my earlier nonchalance into new understanding and real dread. And, how *is* it that Giuliani was able to project such an image of steadfast courage/ "insightful" leadership combined with just enough teary human warmth on such a chaotic day? I feel as if his long hoped for Wagnerian tragic drama found him ready to take center stage.

#11 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 01:56 PM:

TNH #9: Academy St, just off Broadway, two blocks north of Dyckman.

#12 ::: Constance Ash ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 02:04 PM:

Thank you for providing such an excellent reference source for who and what giuliani is, and what to expect from this man who so loves and respects power.

I recall and have internalized all this because I've lived through it all too.

What is equally frightening is nothing one points to in terms of outlining and elucidating the facts of Giuliani as a person, as mayor, on 9/11 and his role in the extent of the disaster, people just cover their ears and call you a liar. They WANT to believe in this giuliani contruct. But I'll still point people to this entry.

Again, thank you.

Love, C.

#13 ::: Robert L ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 02:10 PM:

Ann Rose #10: In fact, caricatures of Giuliani with Hitler's mustache + the nickname "Adolf Giuliani" have been around since well before 9/11, when he was still in office as mayor.

#14 ::: Seth Breidbart ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 02:27 PM:

Fragano #8: As US attorney, he made high-profile arrests of a number of Wall Streeters, followed shortly (and quietly) by all charges being dropped because they hadn't actually done anything illegal.

Giuliani is also the mayor who made it illegal to walk across Manhattan (at least, conveniently, on the street I was working on, to a doctor a few blocks down that street).

#15 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 02:35 PM:

Seth Breidbart #14: Illegal to walk across Manhattan? How did that happen.

#16 ::: Ann Rose ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 02:45 PM:

Robert L @#13: I am certain that you're right about the history of "Adolf Giuliani" in various media, and it makes me wonder if reviving the images will help people realize exactly what dictatorial mindset they'd be getting in a Giuliani presidency (may it never happen)?

#17 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 02:53 PM:

Fragano: Got it. We probably saw each other on the subway some mornings.

Ann Rose, I expect they'll just invoke Godwin's Law and ignore it.

#18 ::: John L ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 02:54 PM:

I doubt Giuliani's presidential campaign will have much leverage outside of the Northeast. The rest of the nation is probably very leery of him given his past history, 9/11 notwithstanding.

#19 ::: Xopher ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 03:22 PM:

John 18: He's leading in nationwide polls among Republicans. If all the primaries were held today, he'd be the GOP nominee. And if enough people are sexist (if HRC is the Dem's pick) or racist (if, gods forbid, it's Obama), he could win.

Lots of people are racist. Lots more are sexist.

How do you apply for Canadian citizenship again?

#20 ::: theophylact ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 03:32 PM:

Calvin Trillin wrote a delightful novel, Tepper Isn't Going Out, about one man's war against a tyrannical New York Mayor named Frank Ducavelli. He'd like people to call him "Duke", but the inevitable moniker is "Il Duce".

#21 ::: theophylact ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 03:42 PM:

From Trillin:

It was known that when Frank Ducavelli first became a force in the city he had hoped that headline writers might refer to him as the Duke, suggesting not only nobility but the Dodger great Duke Snider. Given the mayor's interest in order and his draconian response to anyone who disagreed with him, though, the tabloids tended to go with Il Duce.

#22 ::: beth meacham ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 03:53 PM:

I don't think Rudi has much traction at all in the northeast. It's outside of there, where all they know about his is that he is "America's Mayor", where people think he's just great.

#23 ::: Seth Breidbart ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 03:58 PM:

He decided that 49th and 50th Streets were for "special" traffic only, cars couldn't use them for through traffic. (Not necessarily a bad idea, but the enforcement was really poorly done.) So cars had to turn off those streets at the first avenue. If pedestrians were crossing at the time, they'd get in the way of turning cars. So he made it illegal to cross avenues on 49th or 50th Streets on the downstream side. That meant that walking from 6th Ave. to 3rd Ave (crossing 6th, 5th, Madison, Park, Lexington, 3rd) it was necessary to cross 50th St. 5 times.

#24 ::: Rachel Heslin ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 03:58 PM:

I put a lot of effort in trying to absorb information, withholding judgment and remaining calm in order to have enough energy to actively try to make things better.

But reading the litany of screwups and lack of basic preparation prior to 9/11 that resulted in so many more unnecessary deaths, I find myself becoming furious.

#25 ::: mjfgates ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 04:00 PM:

The real shame is that Rudy is tarnishing the reputations of transvestites everywhere. From now on, a man in a dress will hardly be able to run for dogcatcher without being accused of dictatorial ambitions.

#26 ::: Lexica ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 05:03 PM:

For more information on General Sedgwick with rather less info on etorphine, there's's page on the Battle of Spotsylvania.

My maternal grandmother was a Sedgwick. Given how many of her anecdotes seemed to revolve around how smart and special our family members were and how ignorant and impolite other people were, I rather enjoyed knowing that the family also included someone whose last words get included in books like The 776 Stupidest Things Ever Said.

#27 ::: Steve ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 05:03 PM:

Don't forget his suggestion that Bloomberg not take office in January 2002, so that Giuliani could continue to provide leadership during the ongoing crisis.

That, more than anything, scared the crap out of me.

#28 ::: Chris Gerrib ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 05:10 PM:

Prior to this write-up, I thought Guiliani was the William Bligh of mayors - great in a storm or crisis, but lousy (to the point of being a PITA) in the day-to-day governance. Now I see that he's not so good in a crisis.

As far as his presidential hopes, the fat lady hasn't sang yet. The guy running #2 in that race, Thompson, wasn't even a candidate 3 months ago. Nor are the Republicans that enthused with any of their current crop.

#29 ::: Rebecca ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 05:51 PM:

Damn, but that's an outmoded view of freedom. Strikingly similar to J. Winthrop's of, IIRC, 1642 - thought that went out with the Enlightenemnt!

#30 ::: James D. Macdonald ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 05:58 PM:

General Sedgewick got a bad rap. He knew he was in a dangerous position; every officer who had shown himself there, that day and the day before, had been hit.

He was attempting to straighten the line; the men were refusing to move as bullets whistled past. So he led the way himself. The words immediately preceding "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance" were, "What! what! men, dodging this way for single bullets! What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you."

As Winfield Scott Hancock said at Gettysburg, "There are times when a corps commander's life does not count."

#31 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 07:53 PM:

TNH #17: Probably. Or walked past each other in Fort Tryon Park.

#32 ::: Madeleine Robins ::: (view all by) ::: October 30, 2007, 11:08 PM:

Since we moved to San Francisco, people will occasionally ask me what I think of Giuliani. "I think he's a thug and a bully, and his only triumph on 9/11 was looking more decisive than Pataki or Bush--not a difficult thing to do." As someone who had an interest in public education and in the arts, living in NYC under Giuliani, my loathing runs deep.

Now I can give them the URL to this post. Will save time and provide a lot more useful information.

#33 ::: vjstewart ::: (view all by) ::: October 31, 2007, 08:26 AM:

FL#31, TNH#17: I left Inwood just after Guiliani was elected. To my eternal shame, I voted for him. Political naivety can be dangerous.

I lived at the corner of Seaman and Cummings, an address I gave out with great joy for 7 years. The double-takes were priceless.

#34 ::: Fragano Ledgister ::: (view all by) ::: October 31, 2007, 09:45 AM:

vjstewart #33: Just a couple blocks away from me! Many's the time I've walked through that intersection (the only other one in Manhattan as suggestive is in the Wall Street area: Beaver and John).

#35 ::: vjstewart ::: (view all by) ::: October 31, 2007, 02:44 PM:

FL#34: It always amused me there was a church on the corner of S&C too! Small, small world it is...

#36 ::: Constance Ash ::: (view all by) ::: November 01, 2007, 04:26 PM:

It appears it's people far outside of NYC who love giuliani. They really do think he's great and just what the country needs. He cleaned up New York! If he could do it here he can do it anywhere! (Nonetheless, he didn't seem to make any difference to Mexico City, despite the millions they paid him to do so.)

People elsewhere refuse to hear anything I say about him and 9/11, even when they ask me, knowing I was there. Er, here.

Love, C.

#37 ::: Paula Lieberman ::: (view all by) ::: November 04, 2007, 02:13 AM:

Romney isn't any better--a man who rants about persons who are living and working in the USA without either US citizenship or official permission from the US Government, presenting himself as someone who will do tough enforcement--whose expensive house with expense yard in the expensive Boston suburb of Belmont, Massachusetts (and the formerly controversial Mormon temple in that locality, with the spire that got reduced in height from the original design intent), had the yard groom done by guess what type of labor.... Yup, folks from south of the border, who didn't have any of the proper documents to be and work in the USA....

Romney left the Commonwealth of Massachusetts with crumbling infrastructure for roads bridges and leaking cramped court buildings with overworked staffs unable to keep up with the workload, with recreational facilities unable to open for a combination of lack of personnel (funding) and/or lack of maintenance (chronic underfunding) making them too hazardous for various pools to be open for summer season, etc....

#38 ::: Bob Rossney ::: (view all by) ::: November 05, 2007, 11:55 PM:

Jimmy Breslin famously described Giuliani as "a small man in search of a balcony."

In case you are uncertain about how detestable he is, read this, which illuminates some extraordinary depths.

#39 ::: Terry Karney says Bob Rossney is a spambot too ::: (view all by) ::: November 06, 2007, 12:05 AM:

And doesn't know about rel no follow

#40 ::: Todd Larason ::: (view all by) ::: November 06, 2007, 12:11 AM:

Bob Rossney doesn't look spammy to me. The comment's short but on-topic; the Slate piece linked to fits and certainly doesn't need google juice. It's not a copy of a previous comment. His own URL does look like spambait, but the page itself is an innocuous personal blog with real-looking content on a variety of subjects over a several-week time period, and no advertising.

I say, "Hi Bob"!

#41 ::: Terry Karney ::: (view all by) ::: November 06, 2007, 12:53 AM:

Yeah, I got distracted, and didn't do enough follow up.

My mistake.

#42 ::: Bob Rossney ::: (view all by) ::: November 09, 2007, 09:17 PM:

I am quite baffled by the above. Just for that I'm not going to tell you how you can increase the size of your penis.

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